ninjah

i agree with u ... look at the "illumaniti conspiracy theory" ..... people have been talking about that for YEARS and yet no censorship ..... the thing that is making me the most suspicious about #Pizzagate is the fact that the establishment is trying to repress the story so aggressively....same thing happened in England...and look what the outcome of that was..

User890020

One of the problems with widespread apathy and disbelief over CP is that these crimes can't be shown. So the 'shock effect' isn't there.

Fifthestateknows

See the comments under this one https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=VhDrH50tGJA

ninjah

if u get a chance ..take a look at this too... Obama's biggest bundler raped 2 underaged boys and NOTHING EVER HAPPENED TO HIM. http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/11/20/kiah-lawson-terry-bean-human-rights-campaign-gay-sex-obama-prison-column/70021560/

HarveyKlinger

In Washington DC, age of consent was 16 when Denny did whatever he did with a 16 year old kid. In Illinois (where Denny coached and both he and the kid lived), age of consent was 17 at the time. If they were on a trip to DC at the time of the abuse and the kid was 16, it's perfectly fine (according to the law) in DC. At this point because of the consent law in IL being 17 shit gets complicated because even though the kid was considered an adult in DC, they could try to determine that he was taken out of state for the purpose of sex and to get around the consent laws.

If Denny had had sex with a 5 year old, he's a pedo that deserves to be hung upside down by his nutsack.

See the difference?

HarveyKlinger

Not at all. I'm just someone who was actually affected by the above term in several ways and it's a bit personal. I WILL give you this piece of advice though, calling someone who had sex with a 15 year old a pedophile is an EASY defamation lawsuit that is a guaranteed money maker. The difference is HUGE, especially since age of consent laws ranged from 14 to 18 throughout the years in the US.

ghtdak

Normal people simply don't have the capability to believe this at first. Maybe ever. The truth is obviously important in general but is IRRELEVANT to the message we we should be delivering which is pedophile -> blackmail == bad. Blackmail makes it understandable.

That is the truth but its only a small part of the truth. IMHO, getting people to believe much more is unrealistic. We keep publishing the truth but we don't need to emphasize it. The message is important... more important than the truth

HarveyKlinger

Everybody PLEASE learn what the word pedophile means. Denny hastert was no pedophile, unless you are suggesting that pre-pubescent kids were in high school and wrestled other high schoolers. At least ONE of the people accusing him of sexual misconduct with was under the age of consent in Illinois at the time of the abuse, but that does not make Denny a pedophile. It makes him a criminal.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/pedophilia

nimblenav

This is not the place to waste time on tone policing. Nobody is going against pedophiles that haven't shown potential criminal behavior.

Initiate

I agree. To everyone who seems to "not care" for words, keep in mind, it's still a huge part of #pizzagate's credibility at stake if we start "not caring" for such differences. In the end, we all want the child abusers to be in prison. It does no good, if we are not as clear as possible in this process.

In other words: Who would take this seriously, if the image #pizzagate projects is "They don't even know the difference between pedophilia and 'under age of consent', therefore you can't trust in their investigative work".

This doesn't solely count for words though. We shouldn't jump to conclusions and we shouldn't post stuff claiming "THIS IS EVIDENCE!!!", as long as it is completely vague. I know it's a very emotional subject and it is to me as well, but working emotional instead of rational will do more harm than good in the end.

ninjah

raping a child is raping a child... i don't care what we call it............nobody over the age of 18 should be fucking any child.... newborn...7 year od... prepubescent ..teenager ... . doesn't matter...it needs to be stopped.

SecularPenguinist

fucking a 16 year old is orders of magnitude different than say fucking a 6 year old. Words matter, that's why there's a distinction.
By generalizing like that you're putting the 20 year old having sex with a 16 year old in the same category as a 50 year old having sex with a 6 year old.

ninjah

i understand there are legal technicalities that make the age relevant ... however ...as an individual ..i don't think there is a difference... 16 yr old victim& the 20 yr perpetrator make no difference....the 20 yr old would still be RAPING/MOLESTING A CHILD....

SecularPenguinist

You are wrong. A 16 year old can give informed consent, a 6 year old doesn't even know what sex is.
I have a friend whose baby was used as a Fleshlight by some drunk Indian on the reservation.
The baby bled all over the fucking place and almost died. Required surgery to repair the damage.
He was never charged, and yes, she knows who did it.

ninjah

i don't know anything about the "baby flashlight" situation so i can't offer any informed opinion with regards to that..... but my opinion remains the same ... if you are an ADULT and ur trying to have sex with a minor re: raping children (from 1 second old to 18 yrs old)... that is CHILD RAPE .... show me ONE brain development study that suggests a 16 year old can give consent with the same level of information than a brain that has fully developed.....just ONE...... also ...have u ever been around 16 yr olds.....they still crack up about fart jokes... they are babies...what grown ass person looks at ANY 16 yr old and things.." yeah.i wanna hit that" KNOWING that child is in fact 16 yrs old.?