varialus

That's because you can't get outside of your own perspective.

How can you not see that if you're going to allow for free speech which allows for something that others feel is way worse than this with the expectation that they shouldn't be allowed to fuck people up over it, that the same standard should apply to free speech for the stuff that you feel is fucked up with the expectation that you won't fuck people up over it?

Society can have it one way or the other, but the United States has decided that freedom of speech is more important than getting revenge over offenses. If you want to change it, then I think you're a retard because blowing people up over disgusting baby art is just as evil as blowing people up over sacred prophet art.

varialus

Unfortunately this is the problem with a public investigations like this. Yeah, we should investigate and hopefully get them convicted if the evidence is there, but they shouldn't be harassed for being caught up in ugly circumstantial evidence.

MeatballPizza

I think the MAIN problem for these guys is they created the opportunity for this. (1) Instagram posts with sick jokes on photos of little kids. They're gay? Okay, but don't put jokes about pedo activity. (2) The bands that played there who had songs about pedastry and other sick behavior. (3) The 'art' on the walls was strange and suggested of Satanism.

Could there be some misconstrued facts? Yes. If the sign was there for decades before, that takes out the star/moon images as being something these guys did. If his name is a family name for generations (as one investigator found), that's just coincidence that's odd. If his lawyer just so happens to be the name of a lawyer working on sex crimes, again odd coincidence.

I wish they'd be called out on what they actually DID - sick postings, sick bands at a 'family friendly' pizza place, and the 'art' that apparently they've removed.

Posting the 20 person list of workers of this place? I think that's crossing over into Doxxing absent further proof.

varialus

But that's the thing, should behavior that looks criminal but actually isn't criminal, be punished? Let's just say for the sake of argument that they made offensive art without committing any crimes, but somebody decided to attack them. How is that any different than when Muslims attack people who publish depictions of Mohammed? Hell, maybe that's what they want, some white cis straight Christians to attack them without any hard proof so they can say, see, the Muslims ain't so bad after all, are they?

TheGettysburgAddress

They didn't even ask him why his name means "I Love Children" in French.

Evidenceforthings

Amateur

Magdalena

It doesn't, "I love children" would be "j'aime les enfants". Alefantis is no French at all, sorry. At least "L'enfant" is "The child", I agree.

waxdino

I really don't think that's relevant. That is a dumb detail, easily debunked if not true, easily glossed over if the really bad stuff is true. I'd like to know, why did he hashtag pictures of infants with "hotard" or "chickenlovers"?

MeatballPizza

I did not do the research but if you have Ancestry or some similar service you could. Someone researched it and said it was his family name and they went back 3 generations to verify. Certainly odd though.

MeatballPizza

Notice they don't post the instagram photos or ask any real questions.