Does it matter if we find a smoking gun? ( pizzagate )

submitted by listen_up

Think this through real quick, we already know that the people in power that can do something about this are involved in this. Lets say we do find a smoking gun that just ties everything together and would bring the whole thing down. Would it actually matter? Would it be listened to? Do we actually need to lay out this case for these people? Would they do anything?

sleepingbeautycan

Here is what I think. We don't have to solve it with the smoking gun. We just have to keep it as a top news story (that never makes it to the news). Because that was the point of getting Trump elected, we have to trust that he will drain the swamp. We have seen enough investigations of top people get derailed when the tippy top people find the information threatening or inconvenient.

We memed him into office now we have to trust that he will take his job seriously. And if he doesn't act on it then we have a problem but that is a problem for another day.

DystopianDaze

What do you propose? A witch hunt?

Seriously, I have seen where the wrong person was implicated because they have the same name as someone who themselves may not be guilty of this. I have also seen many automatically assume that anyone at all who has any contact with certain individuals must be guilty of this themselves. People have been calling pizza places around the country and using code words on the assumption that all pizza places must be involved in this.

madhatter67

You don't need to witch hunt....just reduce public funding and increase transparency in the agencies that are part of the problem....

Use the money saved on accountable services for the people

Reverse the current headlong rush towards a global unaccountable corporate state

Of course, we would never be allowed such freedom

DystopianDaze

Agreed on all counts.

So what do you propose we do?

madhatter67

ummmm....that's the problem....

we can try using force of will and numbers to cause peaceful change....evolve our species

failing that it might be the same old burn it down and start again story

DystopianDaze

We agree again. :)

listen_up

What we need here is a revolution, everybody has been in on this for a loooong time, its only us, the citizens that didn't know. We are the only ones that have been blind to these happenings. The fbi knew, the cia knew, media stars knew, the 1% knew, the doj knew, everybody in power knew.

DystopianDaze

Yeah, I know it's been going on. I've been looking into this and spreading the word for a long time. Been called a crazy, tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist by most for it, too.

Still, people cannot just go out and pass judgement on people without facts. A lot of innocent people can (and are) getting swept up in this because they simply know or do business with someone, or have the same name, or whatever other imaginary connection people dream up in their indignation over this. The indignation is justified. Are you going to write the crucifixion of innocent people off as "collateral damage" though?

People are making connections in their minds that simply do not exist. Some are starting to think this involves every pizza parlor everywhere, ffs. Want to take that one step further? Have you ever eaten pizza? Does that make you a pedophile? Rationality is called for here.

listen_up

Well, we can start with the confirmed big fish. The top guys, the guys who are definitely confirmed. After the head is gone, it's just dealing with the limbs.

DystopianDaze

That's the goal here. Factually, though, nothing has been confirmed as yet. We have a lot of information, a lot of speculation, a lot of indignation...but we lack proof.

southartful

Worst case scenario we shut these fuckers down for good. Make it damn difficult to operate. Eyes on them at all times. Get people redpilled on Hollywods sick pedos name names. Point to the Open Secret Documentary. Conspiracy Of Silence documentary. If there is one thing people really won't ignore is kiddy fuckers, but you gotta be able to get the word out. Keep digging, keep talking about it.

listen_up

Exactly. What I really meant to say was that we shouldn't only investigate, we also need to take action, because nobody else is.

scandalous-goat

Fuck your demoralization.

listen_up

It is not meant to be demoralizing, instead, it means that we should perhaps look into other ways of approach other than just investigating and building up a case. We already know our truth after all.

scandalous-goat

What do you propose, then? It really feels like you are trying to divert the effort away from something.

listen_up

Think about it, even if we find our smoking gun, whos gonna take lead on it and prosecute? What else can we do?

We are fucking huge in numbers, we can either call out and hope for external help in this conflict, or we as a country can take a stand and bring down these horrible people and out of our system