Skanda

you must at least find that it is normal for people to collect pig blood and paint walls around the world in glamorous art presentations

It is not that strange in modern art. Yes, I would say it's nothing shocking. We've seen it all.

To the people who are shocked: where have you been the last 20 years?

will spend 4 years passing a bill that allows adults to gag a children while having sex with them

Well I don't think the slope is that slippery, mate.

It's not about legalizing pedophilia and it's not about satanic rituals.

It's about people in power doing "forbidden things" because they're excited by the idea of being able to get away with it.

Baluga

Completely disagree mate, except your last sentence, totally agree. Yes these things are being normalized in modern art and certain music genres. What these artists show is mild compared to what they don't show. I don't find their work good or worthy in any sense, but rather repugnant.

In elite circles, it is about power and freedom to do whatever nasty stuff they feel like. These activities fit my definition satanic even if they don't explicitly name Satan or any other deity. Yet they often do involve occult symbolism and ritual. Look at Podesta's 14-fish. Look up Alistair Crowley. This is their thing.

Skanda

Pedophilia was already (almost) normalized, in the 60s. That was the closest it ever came to being totally normalized.

Since the 70s the trend went into the other direction, and it's now seen by most people as the worst crime...

I don't see pedophilia being normalized. I see the opposite trend. Pedophiles are reviled and detested, just look at #PizzaGate

Today you can't even smile at someone's child in a benevolent way, without their parents thinking you're gonna molest their kid.

Millennial_Falcon

I agree with all but this:

I have to say, as well, Terasol and Besta Pizza I don’t think are involved. The agent of Besta Pizza's name was similar to that of the man who used to work on the human trafficking unit, but it has been proven they aren't the same person.

Terasol could be a coincidence (although I doubt it), but Besta's logo is spot-on, the same one shown as THE FbI boylover logo, on boylover.net website, AND Elpida's logo. It's true we have no other evidence against Besta or Terasol at this point, but the logos are not to be ignored.

You requested we share disinfo not mentioned in your post:

Alefantis never contradicted himself about a basement in Comet. He was talking about the Buck's basement (that's where they store their tomatoes), which is however in the same building.

Andrew Kline is not the owner of Besta Pizza, only an attorney for the owners. Also the Andrew Kline in the DOJ is a different guy. Besta is owned by Uptown Pizza, INC. That means it is owned by shareholders.

McMartin Preschool case and Kern County abuse cases look like disinfo . (Dutroux is real. Not sure about Hampstead or Franklin).

Ted Gunderson was a COINTELPRO disinformant. Do not promote him or his videos. He promoted the fake McMartin case and "no planes on 9.11" claim to muddy the waters and discredit conspiracy researchers by getting them to promote fake evidence/nonsense.

The Soros/McCann eye defect thing appears to be real, and a very unlikely coincidence, but could still be coincidence, and will be used to discredit us if we treat it as evidence .

The DC Pentagram map is also interesting (and all locations are accurate), but also could be coincidence and will be used to discredit us if treated as evidence. But we should do some sleuthing on C.H.I.L.D. and see if we can find some leads

David Icke also seems like a disinformant. Gets a lot of stuff right, but poisons it with "lizard people" claims.

Skanda

It's as important to debunk as it is to come up with leads. Skepticism is fundamental. There is too much wold speculation going on and people just take it as fact for some reason. We need to stick to what is solid. The best way to proceed when approaching new people is :

  • tell them about Dutroux and Saville to prove to them that such things do happen and the media does cover it up

  • then show the podesta emails which cannot be explained other than being a secret code

  • then show the suspicious Instagram screenshots etc.

Unfortunately so many infographic that are spread around are pushing the "je aime Les enfants " thing. Or saying James Alefantis is the guy with the l'enfants t shirt. It's all so wrong, so many misinformation spread around!

Personally I also don't think Marina Abramovic / Spirit Cooking is essential to pizzagate. I dont see it. Yes she's a crazy postmodern artist you knoe how many there are out there? What she does is not that crazy in the context of modern art. It's almost the norm.

DystopianDaze

Here is the info on Andrew Kline, the name listed as the registered agent for Besta Pizza.

http://sli.mg/A45Xa5

The image is cropped, but per this forum, it lists the agent's address as:

Agent Address - 1225 19th Street N.W., Washington, DC 20036

http://supforums.com/thread/96371913/politics/digging-for-owners-of-besta-pizza.html

Andrew Kline, of Veritas Law, has represented businesses in DC for 30 years. For 10 he has advised/lobbied for the Restaurant Association of Metropolitan Washington. The address listed above is Veritas Law.

http://theveritaslawfirm.com/meet-the-team-andrew-j-kline/

A registered agent is simply someone who can accept legal papers for a business entity, and may or may not have any stake in the business. Often a company lists their lawyer as agent.

https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/why-do-i-need-a-registered-agent

Andrew Kline, formerly of the DOJ, who worked on the human trafficking unit, is a different man.

http://www.american.edu/spa/faculty/akline.cfm

Millennial_Falcon

Owner of Besta is Uptown Pizza, INC. It's a corporation, folks. That means multiple shareholders. Find out who the shareholders are, or if Uptown is owned by a larger entity.

DystopianDaze

Yes, it is. The above image is why everyone across this forum and the internet are falsely claiming as fact that the Kline from the DOJ is the owner of Besta Pizza, though. That the Andrew Kline from Veritas, at least at one time, served as the registered agent for Besta does not mean he is the owner. He may or may not have a stake in it, but it is likely he is/was the agent simply because he is/was their attorney.

At any rate, he is not the same Andrew Kline from the DOJ.

Kayzza

Alright, good to know, I'll update that

cantsleepawink

Well, if you want to start a conversation with a sceptic with some hard evidence you could start with the pedos surrounding Clinton who have been arrested : https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1458815 and https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1458233

Kayzza

Thank you, that's a good thing to add to the list.

derram

https://archive.is/Q9CHS :

Fake News Onslaught Targets Pizzeria as Nest of Child-Trafficking - The New York Times

https://archive.is/q6qkI :

Hillary Clinton: Comet Ping Pong Flooded With Threats Over False Story

https://archive.is/OweBp :

Internet is Obsessed With Bizarre Hillary Clinton 'PizzaGate' Conspiracy Theory |Heat Street

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