new_warriors

You're very smart.

new_warriors

No it's not PC, and it's not only Americans, believe me.

Besides, we owe many things to PC and internet, even while we're talking here.

If you don't believe me, you should be getting the f-k out of here.

Runaway-White-Slave

Kinda makes you wonder how many patients in Psychiatric Hospitals are there primarily for their inability to effectively cope with what happened to them, or the perpetrators who are often close relations inability to risk the truth ever destroying them....

You know that shit happens too, of course victims of sexual abuse are 100 times more likely to have psychological & behavioral problems because of it, wonder how many incestuous and complicit relatives decided to turn on the victim exacerbating and exaggerating the symptoms forcing the victim into institutionalization?

"Daddy can't lose his career and go to prison, neither can brother, and we all like Uncle Chester.... Sorry honey, you're just extra-ill, take your meds now, take a few more, a few more....".......... "What's that we chemically induced a psychotic episode, too bad, and he/she was almost getting better. Oh-well, guess it's off to the Mental Hospital for him/her."

And the same way the quote talks about witnesses, bystanders, people stumbling across such information struggling to put it to words, imagine that effect on the victims?

new_warriors

Sadly, you're right.

There's no way we could ever imagine what the victims have gone through, we shouldn't complaint for maybe a little of that hell.

CarbideSHRP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model

5 Stages of Grief:

1 Denial – The first reaction is denial. In this stage individuals believe the diagnosis is somehow mistaken, and cling to a false, preferable reality.

2 Anger – When the individual recognizes that denial cannot continue, they become frustrated, especially at proximate individuals. Certain psychological responses of a person undergoing this phase would be: "Why me? It's not fair!"; "How can this happen to me?"; "Who is to blame?"; "Why would this happen?".

3 Bargaining – The third stage involves the hope that the individual can avoid a cause of grief. Usually, the negotiation for an extended life is made in exchange for a reformed lifestyle. People facing less serious trauma can bargain or seek compromise.

4 Depression – "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; "I'm going to die soon, so what's the point?"; "I miss my loved one, why go on?" During the fourth stage, the individual despairs at the recognition of their mortality. In this state, the individual may become silent, refuse visitors and spend much of the time mournful and sullen.

5 Acceptance – "It's going to be okay."; "I can't fight it; I may as well prepare for it." In this last stage, individuals embrace mortality or inevitable future, or that of a loved one, or other tragic event. People dying may precede the survivors in this state, which typically comes with a calm, retrospective view for the individual, and a stable condition of emotions.

VieBleu

I think what people don't realize, I am just realizing, is that we who refuse to look away from this ARE witnesses. We have witnessed an identifiable set of evidence in photographs, victims paintings, written comments, symbols, so called music and art, narratives and more recently, a concerted cover up in the internet and the media. Many many if not most or all individuals who have given witness to these materials and events have been physically sickened and psychicly tormented and even poisoned to a degree. We've seen the faces of perpetrators and victims, crime scene areas and all the shadows across them all. Every last one of us has died a little.

new_warriors

You're kinda right. Maybe that's another reason why most people avoid even to pay a little attention to these issues. But don't think that this is killing us. Maybe because everyone avoids to look and face with the darkness, these brutal creatures can abuse and kill little children. We sacrifice them for our own comfort. Maybe we have to sacrifice ourselves a little, "die" a little to save these children.

This is from the same book: "Trauma is contagious. In the role of witness to disaster or atrocity, the therapist at times is emotionally overwhelmed. She experiences, to a lesser degree, the same terror, rage, and despair as the patient. This phenomenon is known as “traumatic countertransference” or “vicarious traumatization.” The therapist may begin to experience symptoms of posttraumatic stress disorder. Hearing the patient’s trauma story is bound to revive any personal traumatic experiences that the therapist may have suffered in the past. She may also notice imagery associated with the patient’s story intruding into her own waking fantasies or dreams. In one case a therapist began to have the same grotesque nightmares as her patient.." etc

So, if nobody listens to these people, how can they heal? And if they don't heal, there's the danger that one day they might become those creatures too. Maybe that's the real reason. Just because we don't care, nobody cares, sickness grows in many person's souls and turn them into psychopaths in the end. We never share anyone's burden, we left them alone. So, demons possess them.

If truth must come out, we must pay the price. Truth is a heavy thing.

VieBleu

of course. I said we have all died a little in honor of the trauma that pretty much everyone associated with looking into this has experienced. That "traumatic countertransfernce" sounds spot on. Even that phenomenon happening the way it did tells me this topic has something very real underlying it. A palpable sense of terror and souless evil. But it can be countered and fought.

CJJacobs

Super helpful. Only thing I would add is that it needn't be a 'political movement' for social support. (last para.)

I am religious and God and Church have brought immense healing. Would be nowhere without it. Sometimes, it is enough to know that my wounds are 'hidden in the wounds of Christ.'

new_warriors

I agree with you. But I think what is meant here is, in order to come up as a reality in the society, these traumatic events and issues I mean, there must be some kind of political force, to be able to resist the widespread tendency to suppress these things. Because when you speak out loud, you will be silenced and you'll have no support.

And somehow, these trauma issues remind me that part from Matthew 25:

"When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will place the sheep on His right and the goats on His left.

Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you looked after Me, I was in prison and you visited Me.’

Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? When did we see You sick or in prison and visit You?’

And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’

Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

And they too will reply, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’

Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.’

And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

CJJacobs

Agreed. The political will is also important to have behind this.

As the saying goes, "the Church is the soul of the State." Thatt time will come when these divisions (sheep - goats) will start happening not only spiritually, but in political and tangible ways as well.

Excellent verses to think about. :)