A word about "shill" accusations from a fellow researcher ( pizzagate )

submitted by r3dtr1x

I have spent dozens of hours this past week doing my own research, trying to remain as objective as possible. I've noticed that any time I verbalize findings, or my own thoughts that are AGAINST this pizzagate conspiracy theory, I get labelled a shill. That's just plain silly. I'm not trying to "shut down research" just encouraging people to actually think about the stuff they are saying. Not everything is as nefarious as you (or I) think it is.

My advice to everyone: Try to be objective. Challenge your beliefs. If something seems weird, look at it from other angles - but remain open-minded. Just because I don't believe Hillary, Podesta, and Alefantis are butchering babies in the pizza shop doesn't mean I don't believe that there's SOMETHING here, I just really, REALLY don't think this pizza joint is a central hub for child trafficking.

Alefantis may be weird, and he may keep weird company, and have weird artists at his venue, and like weird art - but that's not a crime. It's just being weird. So call me a a "shill", accuse me of "trying to halt the investigation" (lol), whatever - but really, honestlly, I was all freaked out in the beginning like so many of you are... After doing my own research, I'm not as freaked out anymore.

The truth, I think, may lie somewhere in the middle. I don't think there's NOTHING going on with Podesta and Alefantis, but I don't think Comet Ping Pong, the restaurant itself, really has anything to do with it.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

kneo24

I was having a conversation with one of my friends about this the other day. He said he wasn't sure if there was human trafficking, pedophilia, or anything. It could be money laundering for all we know. But he admitted there's just too much weird shit going around this story for it to be nothing - something is going on and it's probably not anything good.

quantokitty

Weird? Captioning a pic of a man holding a baby encircled by yellow beads with the hashtag #chickenlovers is disturbed, deranged, and would be illegal if true.

http://theafricanspear.com/2016/11/25/updatedc-pizzagate-pedophile-ring-exposed/

Normalize everything if it makes you happy though.

thelastaelor

I love this cute word, "normalization," that gets thrown around every time somebody is confronted with evidence that the world isn't black and white. As cute as "fake news."

r3dtr1x

Like I said, I think there's SOMETHING here. I'm not going to outright accuse him of pedophilia. It certainly looks like he is. It's not normal. it IS weird, but I don't think the restaurant has anything to do with it.

quantokitty

Right it's just the hub of where they all these "weird" people congregate to joke about pedophilia and torture. Makes perfect sense. Then why hide there's a basement at Comet Pizza if there's nothing going on? I doubt anyone but JA and whoever else involved in whatever depravity is going on knows it's there. In fact, I'd bet on it. But it is. The RE listings prove it's there. So why use Bucks to store tomato sauce for use at Comet? What is that space being used for if not storage?

r3dtr1x

Use Google Street View and use the tool to virtually march your ass around the whole complex. As you turn the corner on Nebraska street, you will see how there's a hill. Comet's "basement" is just a small walk-out area that is "behind the curtain". You people are freaking out about something that doesn't even exist. Just like the guy with the gun. He was SO sure he was gonna go find something.. and you know what he found? NOTHING.

In fact.. if you go a little further to the very back of the complex, you will see that there are GARAGES with 2 sets of windows above them. I don't know about you, but I've never seen a basement that was under a garage. Basement level = foundation. Garage level is also foundation.

r3dtr1x

There's no basement at Comet Ping Pong. That's why he stores the sauce at Buck's

See the analysis here: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1466957

quantokitty

Okay, you're not only a shill, you're an idiot. If I knew there was nothing between your ears, I wouldn't have bothered talking to you. You wrote that all by yourself, did you? Do they allow you crayons now? Or do you still eat them?

Here's the correct info and I will not be responding to anything you have to say, shill. People think you're a shill because you are one.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1459694

Oh, dear freakin' Lord!!! What a way to spend a Saturday, but I found it!!! Definitive proof that Bucks Camping and Fishing has a BASEMENT!!!

drum roll

Here's the article:

http://www.philly.com/philly/food/restaurants/20130822_San_Marzanos_vs__juicy_local_heirlooms.html

And I quote:

"Like Pastan, James Alefantis, owner of Comet Ping Pong in D.C., doesn't build his pizza sauce with DOP San Marzanos. For seven years, he has been buying late-harvest tomatoes from Toigo Orchards in Shippensburg, Pa., and canning them at nearby Stello Foods for use at Comet. Last year, Alefantis estimates, he bought 12 tons of Toigo tomatoes, which Stello turned into sauce and canned before trucking the jars to the basement at Buck's Fishing & Camping, Alefantis' other restaurant nearby."

Can I get a hallelujah and amen?

Adding this:

And look at the property listing for Bucks:

http://www.propertyshark.com/mason/Property/11881125/5031-Connecticut-Ave-NW-Washington-DC-20008/

TWO STORIES!!!! That's how it's listed. The same as Comet!

http://www.propertyshark.com/mason/Property/11881126/5037-Connecticut-Ave-NW-Washington-DC-20008/

It means Comet has a basement, too.

r3dtr1x

LOL LOOK at the damn building, use your fucking eyes.

TWO STORIES. COMET IS TWO STORIES.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1466957

r3dtr1x

lololol. Look at the fucking building. LOOK AT IT. IT'S TWO STORIES.

PizzaGatinOnYa

You hit on the correct point I think a lot of newer people around here are forgetting. This is not old, this has been going on for decades. It is now called PizzaGate in this generation. This has been reported since the 80's.

But in reality it is stopping human trafficking on a global scale. It was never singled out to just 1 place where the crime is happening. It is happening everywhere. How quickly everyone was tricked to keep focusing on comet ping pong when it is a problem involving much more powerful people.

Read up on the franklin files.. then remember that the New york times used to be a different kind of paper that would openly report on things like this! Look at how the media is controlled today.

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/07/29/us/omaha-grand-jury-sees-hoax-in-lurid-tales.html

The video of these witnesses interviews is in the documentary that never aired thats floating around on voat. ---Edit

fromfiction1984

This is why some people have suggested that we "rebrand ourselves" and change the pizzagate into another term. I am not even sure if it would be a good or very bad idea, but either way the proposition is usually firmly dismissed.

r3dtr1x

It won't happen. Pizzagate will stick. I just really hope people leave Comet Ping Pong alone. It's not good for our research or reputation for them to be hassled.

r3dtr1x

I understand. This was one of the things that freaked me out in the beginning, too.

However, it's not impossible that it's just a coincidence. They do happen.

I know about the logo at Terasol as well, but I've seen other posts where the same exact 2 hearts with 2 hands inside image was found on a CPR webpage. That indicated to me that it's a clip-art graphic from some graphics editing program.

The more I think about it, the more I think people (including myself) have over-reacted. I've commented on quite a few threads. I'm not a "shill"

reasonedandinformed

Source for the Terasol logo comment?