Guy_with_the_face

I agree, in addition I thought maybe it would be a good idea to change the name/hashtag every week. Id imagine that this is costing the elite a lot of money to troll and shill, lets cost them more by constantly changing our strategy and investigation name. Just a thought.

Stoptherot

Rebranding is the worst thing we can do right now. Thats what they want. Every infographic every site, video all the stuff we have worked on would need redoing. Terrible idea. Although Pedoanon or FBiarePedos would be a good name.

LostandFound

I argued for a long time to rebrand but hell after this week not a chance. Whatever it may imply or not people know about this now, we loose all the Streisand effect thats going on like it or hate it, time to take a stand.

anonentity

Your right they are pulling the stops to bury pizza gate, its totally bizarre, that the MSN is trying to protect a frigging shop that sells lousy overpriced pizza it smells of something bigger.

zlomsocz

its harder to white wash the pizzagate information as fake news if we use different hashtags and organize to distribute information about varying leads with new headers/ hashes, harder to throw us under the rug if were in approaching info distribution under multiple headers

Psilocyber

Some more to consider...

Pedozza

ThePedoFiles

ThePezzoFiles

justanotherone

We need to push Pizzagate (under whatever name), but just because other angles against the Clintons, their foundation and the NWO/Cabal in general exist does not mean we shouldn't push Pizzagate.

As of yet we don't have another huge newly exposed and highly sensational discovery about their foundation, if you want to look for one, then great, some of us will help you. But for now a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

IWishIWasFoxMulder

It's not about the name PizzaGate. It's about who's talking about it and how much credibility they have. In my office I'm considered one of more intelligent people there who's very plugged in generally speaking. When politics comes up in conversation, I can cogently explain to my coworkers that st the very least PizzaGate is real and the only thing left at this point is to determine who's involved and what their level of involvement is.

I tell them that when researching this independently online all of our forums were systematically censored which is exactly what happened on Reddit and now seems to be happening again on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, etc.

I point out to them that the same outlets that are now crying about "fake news" were the same ones lying about the election for more than a year and that there were now documents from Wikileaks proving that the MSM was colluding with the DNC and trading interview and debate questions back and forth which is only supposed to happen in propaganda stations in 3rd world banana republics.

I strongly suggest that they see last year's Best Picture winner for the Oscar called Spotlight as it details exactly how the Catholic Church pedophile scandal was fully uncovered and that everything surrounding PizzaGate is starting to feel like the beginnings of the Catholic Church pedophile scandal only much worse.

I tell them that when we're internet sleuthing we're effectively combing through raw data and connecting the dots from official records and even screenshots of Instagram and Twitter accounts with highly questionable photos and doing what any other investigative journalist would do and when the MSM which was already lying for so long is posting everything they can to try and discredit PizzaGate, there's something very wrong here.

Know your facts beforehand and be ready to explain it as best as you can in the time that you have in a clear concise and cogent manner so that you don't sound crazy. It's tough to do because this subject is frankly very stressful to even look at.

I tell the people I tell this to for the first time that we all call it getting redpilled just like in the Matrix and that gives them a little context for the bizarre feeling that they experience when their entire worldview gets tilted on its axis.

contrarianism

Trey Gowdy is hinting at this now. We need to address the real underlying unlawful activities, starting with the most heinous.

srayzie

Pizzagate is trending. I see it all over Twitter and Facebook. There are many groups. People are curious. If we change the name and other communities don't then it will cause confusion. I think we should keep it the same. Worldwide it's already called Pizzagate.

crystalclearme

I agree- Pizzagate led to me **remembering ** the far too many to count scandals over the past 30-40 years. Remembering and finding it on the internet to research and the repetition of the same things over and over again ... AND on top of it the Clinton Foundation... There are so many real pedofile ring events documented I have been sharing and tagging #realpizza along with #pizzagate. There are current and past stories we need to not let fall by the wayside. Having been profoundly touched and moved by all of this I am looking into orgs I may volunteer with and will continue to raise awareness regarding slavery and trafficking. Those are all areas which very likely would lead people back to as mentioned= Clinton Foundation- Child Trafficking. Unfortunately it is a real and scary thing to see how people who have tried to not let these past scandals "die" have been murdered, suicided, and framed for various things leading to them being discredited. IE- Dr. Tom Philpott, Ted Gunderson, Gary Caradori, etc. And even now I want to make sure to watch or reach out to Camila Wright - GA atty general in charge of child sex trafficking whose husband was murdered in 6/2016 and is a "mystery" or was a clear sign to back off. As much as we can't trust the MSM - we also truly need at least one or a team to help connect the dots and follow up. I do not think this time it is going away BUT I am very scared for all the people who will be trashed and framed as we open eyes. If ya see my comments I'd appreciate a voat up as I want to get to 100 to help downvoat shills :-)

forno_a_legna

I agree. The MSM can easily create the perception that "PizzaGate" voices are just crazy conspiracy theorists, whereas names that touch the heartstrings of individuals are much harder to spin and ridicule. I've been thinking of some potential names,and would love to hear your ideas: Project Mercy; Operation Heart; Project Save the Kids; Operation Justice for the Children; End Human Trafficking in DC; Etc... You get the point. These names are pretty cheesy, but we need to come up with something that shows the good intent of our investigations. We're not here to hurt innocent people, but to expose the devils.

Queen_Puabi

I think we should stick to #PizzaGate as our main hashtag, while switching awareness of message from pizza places to elites/pedophilia etc.

Branching off from #PizzaGate at this point will just split the momentum of such a large group into smaller groups and divide us up. Right now, we have the elites and MSM shitting themselves because it's gotten so huge.

Add another hashtag onto #PizzaGate it if you want to branch off to another area, but keep all the groups grounded strongly together with #PizzaGate until these bastards are caught and everyone knows. I don't care if they call it fake news.

kekistocrat

It seems like TPTB were chomping at the bit to lump all of these things together; alt-right, domestic terrorist, fake news, etc. Perhaps there is legislation being put in the works to combat all this. I agree that the Pizzagate sounds (no pun intended) cheesy but at the very heart it is still dividing us... which is a known tactic. Alternately, most people are mesmerized by authority. So to gain credibility with another label is to 1. have a spotless record of accusations backed by pure facts (hard with all this public anonymity, sorta sounds like anonymous which has been totally compromised as the FBI's wet dream) 2. Have known figures who are already in the mainstream (celebrities, Sheriffs, etc.) advocate for this new label (good luck, but there was some serious attention laid on vaccines recently when Deniro spoke out.) 3. Counter smear campaign aimed at MSM showing their dismal failures over the years in a quick video compilation easily distributed but coming from the new label.

Warnos44

I personally feel like the more I dig the deeper it goes and I'm not sure there's even going to be an end to this hole. I like #quicksand . We can dig and no one will associate it with anything especial if we don't announce the info we find. Can ditch the shill s for a while. If we change the name, no reason to keep the pedo in it. #CFTriangle like Bermuda triangle... Idk. Going to go dig more on the foundation and not worry about names :)

Whaaaaat

I keep thinking back to the FBI Anon threads. Focus on the Foundation, etc. I can't help but feel like the Foundation is what people really need to be digging into, rather than random offshoots about pizza places. Anyone have some catchy hashtags that would bring attention to that?

logjam

I agree wholeheartedly. If we could get as many people focusing on the CF as Pizzagate - we could make some real headway. I think it's so very important - but where to start?

Whaaaaat

I'm just a reader/lurker here, not a researcher. But the thing that jumped out at me in that comment summary of FBI Anon that another user posted in this thread is the idea that connections could be made by looking at the timing of financial transactions in comparison to other occurrences - travel, disappearances, major foreign deals, etc. I'm no pizzagate autist, but if someone got a hold of donation records and combed through them, that could be a start. Keeping in mind that some of they "payment" FBI Anon mentioned was in drugs and people, in addition to currency. It's "follow the money" in a much broader sense of money.

logjam

I like this. It promotes awareness. Leave pizza out of it - so it can't be used against us. and use it strictly for Pedophilia.

Takeitslow

I think pizzagate is perfect. The name itself generates curiosity.

goatboy

Operation Millstone.

We_The_People

Pokie Pizza

4thDaGrymReaper

No its not, its too late now. Add an additional hashtag if it makes you feel better.

Use Gowdys #EndTrafficking, #PedoGate, #EyesWideOpen, and #SaveTheChildren.

logjam

It's not about me. It's about giving the movement more credibility to the people now dismissing it as fake news.

28leinad82

even just #PIZZAGATEISREAL would be cool, the media would have to say it everytime they reference it :D

redditsuckz

That name just broke the case wide open.

"Pasta" is a security risk in that country...

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/14954

FuckReddit69

Interesting what country is in that word.

JoeBidenIsCreepy

o_0 i laughed and laughed

logjam

:D nice.

apparatchik1488

I think wikileaks has a good brand. If we can make it like #PedoLeaks then we can build on their brand.

nomorepizza

No, we should stick with pizzagate because it has name recognition now. Even if it was bad press, we can still use it to our advantage.

logjam

We are easier targets this way though. Your right however. I'm just saying Pizzagate doesn't cover enough - and now more easily dismissed with the fake news going around.

Engaziwa

pizzagate already reached the high waves and endurance momentum for times to come because #pizzagate = "We do not forget". It is time for the second act: Operation #Expect-US

Pathfinder_ILF

were back at the nwo, but this time we can call it the "cannibal satanists world order"?

wellington33

upvote then to make it happen!! xD

PissedDad

Iike #pedogate I've been using that for a while now when commenting.

This is much bigger than Pizza.

duerheltdum

How about "Anything related to pizza is probably child porn Club"?

rutkdn

LittleLivesMatter

justanotherone

Not bad! As an alternative or additional tagline! Pizzagate - LittleLivesMatter!

Godwillwin

But that one is common for prolife. A good one though

wellington33

We don't have to remove #pizzagate, just hide it a little: #PIZZAGATE #PEDOFILES #EYESWIDEOPEN.

Something like that.

mosswitch

could start a new one but leave pizzagate, its got legs

wellington33

Weinergate !!!

apparatchik1488

((( )))

I think you forgot these

wellington33

yep, but its cool like that

MeatballPizza

Pizzagate already had one spinoff - TwitterGate. A poster on the old reddit uncovered hundreds (thousands?) of Twitter accounts that had child porn on them and turned the information to the FBI. Win one for the Pizzagaters!

I think looking on this site you'll see this is BIGGER.

Pizzagate is limited in the public's mind to Podesta's Wikileaks and Comet Ping Pong.

I see investigations done here on the BBC scandal, Clinton Foundation / Haiti, and any possible leads on human trafficking in general and child sexual abuse especially.

Not sure using another name would change much at this point. They'll still keep bashing us whatever the new name is.

I think we just own the name PIZZAGATE and when we turn out to be the ones that led to an investigation that leads to actual charges and exposed scandals we'll show the 'fake news' MSM got it wrong yet again.

logjam

How about no "gate" at all at this point? Then if and when we get a lot of shit sorted we can "Gate" it - that would be the time to put up a gate imo. I'm at a loss to think of where to start - but we have to change course.

GoldMoose16

Kindly see this reply I just posted to someone saying we have to Follow the Money as suggested by FBI Anon

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1469421/7120024

wellington33

and google.

PizzaGatinOnYa

And honestly, having separate investigations going on(Because they already are.. for years on some) under group voted hash tags Can help us focus the community on what topics seem of importance or which has good leads at the moment.

For people wanting to look at certain aspects of the case or even just a certain detail being pushed... Having a hash tag to organize it all under will help folks stay organized while doing their own investigation. I think organization is the tough part, and we might be dropping the ball if we don't make our sticky post the

SHINING BEACON of all details assembled so far. It's a big chance to make this happen.. Perhaps not a rebranding but a new organizational model could improve for the community as a whole.

logjam

And honestly, having separate investigations going on(Because they already are.. for years on some) under group voted hash tags Can help us focus the community on what topics seem of importance or which has good leads at the moment.

good points. i have been long wondering why we dont have a "ClintonFoundationInvestigation" subreddit or verse. So many more we could have too - and it would be harder to dispel under the fake news header.

Warnos44

I had suggested this a few days ago and was told no.

logjam

I think a number of people have suggested it - and it usually gets shut down. I think the shrills like it all being under one name personally. It's easier for them to contain and dissuade.

PizzaGatinOnYa

Well it's probably because like i mentioned.. There is already multiple investigations already going on into other things related to pizzagate!

http://clintonfoundationinvestigation.com/

There are plenty of places already looking into this crap for YEARS! Clinton foundation has been under investigation multiple times. We need to start linking the past into the present to strengthen our cause.

logjam

I have tried to go there and access that google doc they have posted. I "don't have permission" to view that doc - and an email sent to inquire did not get a response.

interested

Not sure how to create a thread, but this seems new and of interest.

where do you get one of these combustible animal dolls Ben Luzzatto's blog mentions? Can't find anywhere. This shows how to "bury" animals though::

http://benluzzatto.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/aminals_compost1.pdf

Quite the treehouse too. Wonder who plays in it?

http://benluzzatto.com/?work=the-tommy

The .22 mark is interesting here. kids do seem to love Heather Podesta.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6eGJvV-NJ0YouTube

MAGABoomer

Is there a way to put child abuse, money laundering, arms and human trafficking into one cover-all name? CAMLAHT (ha sounds like camelot).

logjam

its so much easier to write off Pizzagate - when the narrative that it is fake news. The majority of people gloss over these details. Hell, they are just part of life to so many. "All governments do this" is what I run into a lot. It's apparent how conditioned we are.

VIP740

Good idea. PizzaGate implies speculation and coincidence. While there are peculiarities and surprising coincidences, for someone not familiar with things it would be better to draw their attention to solid facts.

PizzaGatinOnYa

Perhaps we could start branding the other investigations

ClintonGate

HawaiiGate

And similar gate related hashtags to let people know its related and all connected. But that could also just further muddy the waters and make it even harder for the average person to look into.

What we need is a newbie guide on HOW to actually research pizza gate. If there are better search engines to use with more accuracy and less MSM spam, how to actually check a source and explain what is a lead, and what is a verified source of a lead proving something.

Simple infographic making tutorials.. And people checking just more than 1 place for their news. Meme templates to make meme's quickly with the pieces already on a template page, like putting together a mr. potato head(lol). If we focus on these community aspects I think we can get our message out better to mainstream folks.

Chan users are already well versed in memery and related construction, they are a decent place to look at which idea's gain traction and which don't. If you can get a bunch of "trolls" on board with a subject it shouldn't be as hard for normal folks.

PizzaGatinOnYa

I think a good name would be

#pedophiliafiles

EndChildTrafficking

EndClintonTrafficking

PedoHunt

PedoGate

GateKeepers

EndTrafficking

CivilianInvestigators

EyesWideOpen

I see your point we need a narrative shift towards the Hawaii connection, clinton foundation, and most of all human trafficking. If we keep focusing on this pizza parlor shit is going to slowly spiral downwards. We need our video makers and community members to come together and shift the message.

But it might be too hard to totally get away from pizza gate. It's popular now but we need people when they come to look into pizzagate, that it's NEW leads that are at the forefront and not pizza parlors. We need to use that popularity along with well made infograms and others materials showing our new leads and that this isn't running in circles trying to convict 1 guy!

demoTheGorgon

Don't forget #pedoPan #lostBoys #chickenLovers

e: These are more niche obviously

jangles

What sort of evidence do 'they' have to say that it is 'fake news'? If you have articles to present in opposition to the evidence presented here on VOAT then please do so. Any first source articles are best for any refusal; thank you Wikileaks.

ForrestGumpWasRaped

True DeKeKtives is the best name, but most people wouldn't get the joke. I think we should stay with Pizzagate. It's a little silly, but it's already known by millions of people.

Godwillwin

I like pedogate and eyeswideopens

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES

GUNDERSON'S REVENGE

wellington33

I love EyesWideOpen.

lawfag123

Seconded. Why not do both pizzagate and EWO?

justanotherone

LittleLivesMatter - EyesWideOpen - PizzaGate Why not use all the good names we can find!

Also #EndTrafficking, #SaveTheChildren.

logjam

Let Pizzagate have it's place in history - it's been well served. We have to counter the punches that are being thrown in our direction though - not take the beating. It feels like the common sense thing to do.

MeyerLansky

Brittany Pettibone has been tweeting the hashtag #PedoFiles.

https://twitter.com/BrittPettibone

Betheirvoices

I am concerned that now when I google pizzagate, comet ping pong pedophiles ect, the first 4 pages of results are MSM crap. People who are genuinely trying to educate themselves on the topic have a much harder time finding the pictures, videos ect that make up the basis of PG. Changing the name might help to educate people new to the topic. Memes with the new phrase posted on social media would help spread it. But it is a huge change and I'm also not sure if it would help or hurt at this point.

Fishy-business

I agree with this, but "PizzaGate" the word has a lot of traction and attention at the moment would switching to something else help in breaking apart the "movement" and take attention away from it ?

redditsuckz

This movement was given the name "pizzagate" by the people covering this up...huge mistake...there is no way this term will ever leave the human consciousness since "pizza" is everywhere and it will never be forgotten about once it is known.

The term "pizzagate" gained traction because it was coined on /r/conspiracy and everyone was herded to /r/pizzagate . Then everyone was herded to /v/pizzagate .

But "SatanicBabyMurderingCannibalPedogate" does have a ring to it.

justanotherone

The problem with "SatanicBabyMurderingCannibalPedogate" is that it is too long.

A name has to be catchy, and it has to be short and it has to be understood, the "gate" suffix explains itself as a potentially politically fatal.

So the problem is that suggesting a name change is perhaps ok, but it can't be judged without an alternative name...

Pedogate? Child-trafficgate? Podestagate?

It's hard to find a name that sound as good as one already established, and it is true that while people will still eat pizza, they will never look at it the same way again.

VIP740

There wouldn't be a need to take down PizzaGate forums. Other forums could be established which bring up scandalous materials, but shift attention away from speculation conspiracy-theory themes. The issues under the PizzaGate label don't deserve attention because pizza may be a code word relating to a restaurant; the important elements are corruption and impropriety, which can be discussed without reliance on connections to pizza.

logjam

Exactly what your saying here I agree with. I'm not suggesting to get rid of Pizzagate - but expand on it. Legitimate topics that are going to be harder to be labeled as fake news. We need a movement with spotlight on the CF amongst other topics. Pizzagate waters down the other issues - and is getting dismissed easier by joe public due to fakenews.

justanotherone

But what name? Clintongate? Podestagate? EliteSatanicSickoGate?

logjam

MSM is controlling the narrative right now. We need to re establish it. I'm no different than you really - I just feel like the true issues are getting lost along the way. Something has to change - or were just going to get trodden on.