heks_

Perhaps. Or perhaps they were just joking because it was an empty metal room at the time the pic was taken and shows like Dexter and Criminal Minds are part of the public consciousness. Did the person who made the comment even work at the restaurant or is there any reason to think they might be involved in this whole affair apart from that specific comment? I can't recall. I mean you could be totally right, but given the nature of this thing and the potential for totally justified outrage if it's true , I think we need to be very careful about confirmation bias. The mere fact that some picture or comment can be interpreted in a way that is consistent with this pedophile ring idea doesn't mean that it really should be interpreted that way. It's very easy to start interpreting anything and everything as supporting something we already believe to be true, so the more we believe it to be true the more judicious and skeptical we should try to be in deciding what truly counts as legitimate evidence. I would say that a good rule of thumb is to ask if some other mundane explanation for a given fact is plausible. If it is, it's in the best interests of this community to accept the mundane explanation and set the fact aside until/unless some other fact(s) cause us to reevaluate the plausibility of that explanation. This will keep people focused on the strongest evidence and show anyone following along that the community of researchers are not quick to accept as evidence just anything and everything they can possibly find that can even remotely be made consistent with the theory.

For example, even with the Besta Pizza logo being essentially identical to the Boy Lovers logo shown by the FBI, if that fact stood all on it's own, the most plausible explanation would be that it was an unfortunate accident. But that explanation becomes MUCH less plausible when a number of other establishments in close proximity all seem to have other pedophile logos and when some or all of them can be connected in some way to Clinton and Podesta given the content of Podesta's emails.

Likewise, when the first plane crashed into the World Trade Center, the most plausible explanation was that some horrific accident had taken place. When the second one hit that explanation ceased to be plausible.

It is conceivable that some future fact will come to light that makes that metal room and the associated comment seem like a legitimate piece of evidence, but as it stands right now, at least from everything I've seen, it's a distraction and best set aside for the time being.

GermanynamreG

I did not care much about the digging, more about the child size coffin

heks_

I'm not sure whether or not it was definitely the same thing, but someone showed a picture of what was supposedly that same "child sized coffin" from a different angle and it was actually a coffee table of some sort, not a coffin at all. As I recall, the pictures of what appear to be a small coffin are all from directly above with what appears to be a closed lid, which only gives a two dimensional shape/perspective. The other picture is from the side or kind a 3/4 angle and shows that it just has metal legs ... again, assuming it really is the same thing.

GermanynamreG

It is a coffin table, i think he wrote coff/ee/in table (twinkle twinkle)

DystopianDaze

I agree that we need to critically examine things, vet things whenever possible, and not claim speculation as fact.

An aside...there is no such thing as "post-birth" abortion, that is called infanticide, i.e. murder.

heks_

DystopianDaze - In 2012 some philosophers presented a case for infanticide under the label of "post-birth" or "after-birth" abortions in the Journal of Medical Ethics . The article can be found here .

DystopianDaze

I have read it before. If you'll notice, though, the definition of abortion did not change because some fucked up individuals with degrees tried to prettify the murder of babies.

Edit: typo

heks_

I agree. I only used the term because in the clip I heard from the show at Comet Ping Pong the person seemed to be joking about killing a baby immediately after birth and even before the cord had been cut. The term "infanticide" could refer to killing a child of pretty much any age.

DystopianDaze

I heard that clip, but do not recall anything about the umbilical cord being mentioned.

Actually, no, it refers to murder of a baby during the first year.

heks_

Yeah, as I recall the cord was mentioned.

As for "infanticide" only referring to the murder of a baby within the first year, I saw one definition that stated that, but most definitions don't seem so strict: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/infanticide . That meaning is suggested in the legal definition but the medical definition seems significantly more broad.

In any case, at this point we're literally just arguing over sematics :) I think it's clear now what I was referring to when I mentioned "post-birth abortion" while we agree that such a thing has not actually be folded into the meaning of "abortion".

r3dtr1x

I only skimmed that wall of text, but from what I read - good job on staying objective and not drinking ALL of the kool-aid.