CALL TO ARMS - and the previous sticky of introductory go-to info. ( pizzagate )

submitted by Crensch

Since my call-to-arms comment in the previous sticky seemed to be almost 100% ignored, you get to read this first.

We need someone that will update and organize a sticky-worthy post of what is KNOWN. This person does not have to be the best at investigating new leads, they just need to be awesome at taking a lot of information from lots of places and CRUSHING THE LIFE OUT OF THAT INFORMATION to make a sticky-worthy post of nothing but diamonds of VALID information.

This sticky-award is not permanent. As soon as someone comes up with a better sticky-worthy submission, THAT one gets stickied.

USERS:

This is also a general call-to-arms to let you know a few things: (subject to change)

1) Banning shills will both not help, and will harm the mods and subverse here on Voat.

2) Banning shill leads is not something we're likely to ever be able to do - a flair is probably the best you're going to get.

3) Removal of posts is frowned upon and puts mods under the microscope. We WILL remove for removal-tier rules, but if there's even an ounce of uncertainty, the post will likely just get a flair.

4) WE NEED YOUR HELP to call out these shills. Comment where you find their bullshit and call it out, or find a shill you hate and follow that fucker around and 1000-years-of-pain that faggot.

5) WE NEED YOUR HELP with pinging us to rule violations or things to look out for. There are thousands of you guys, and 10? of us. We're not always active and not always able to pick up what you're putting down, which brings me to...

6) BE CLEAR IN YOUR SUBMISSIONS AND (info-heavy)COMMENTS. Links. Archives. Description of WHY THEY ARE RELEVANT.

. . And now, the previous sticky

jobes

PizzaPizzaGate

Crensch

No, it's a terrible point, as it's used colloquially as a call to action, and in a non-warlike context, has absolutely nothing to do with weapons.

Crensch

Yeah. Keeps pulling this SJW shit where he accuses me of what he's doing.

I was just messaging KKWR and telling him that I'm glad some of the older goats didn't see this thread. PG would be gone in a week if they had.

RandomInterjector

Sorry, god made me that way. At least I'm not you.

RedGreenAlliance

OK will do

RedGreenAlliance

Well this is it. There's a lot going on with you and your history on here and Reddit that mean nothing to me, or random people who never even heard of Reddit let alone Voat. Well at least i get where you are coming from now. But i am no SJW or thought police, ok?

You want to know what i think of that bullshit, check out my blog https://redgreenalliance.com/?s=political+correctness&submit=Search You might be surprised

RedGreenAlliance

And to @redgreenalliance what I would say is that all are welcome on Voat so long as they don't run around demanding that others conform their speech to their "rules".

Thanks buddy for 'welcoming' me to Voat. I suggested some constructive changes in the interest of the goals of the PizzaGate, given the post is the sticky and the first thing people read. A few words could be taken out and exactly the same meaning retained BUT without putting off people who are not in the bubble of internet forum subculture. They come here to find out if PizzaGate is a "thing" or a bunch of internet crazies.

Now imagine you are an average mom or dad, concerned about PizzaGate but unsure if its nuts, and you want more info. You'd never been to a forum before and you read this

Comment where you find their bullshit and call it out, or find a shill you hate and follow that fucker around and 1000-years-of-pain that faggot

Honestly. The average person will read that on the MAIN STICKY and judge the entire forum by it and thin - "This is just a bunch of angry young men who don't get enough sunlight". Not my thoughts. I KNOW that's what the average person would think. You disagree fin, what do YOU think their first impression would be?

The OP can change or not change, i could care less. But i do care about PizzaGate.

You disagree, i am happy to agree to disagree, others agreed with me also. But don't try to misrepresent me by saying i am "running around demanding that others conform their speech" when i did nothing of the sort. Are you serious?

And "self appointed PC police?" WTF? my post isn't about tolerance its about a professional public-facing sticky which draws in as many people as possible.

As for your previous posts about people can "fuck off back to Reddit" - that just reeks of internet tribalism, as do your other posts where you give a very strong sense of entitlement as being someone who has been on Voat longer than most of us. Most people coming here will be from outside forums, probably from social media.

THEY could not give a shit about Voat etiquette or its history or whats "the done thing" here. Or weird competitiveness / slagging off about Reddit / Voat /4Chan. They just care about stopping sick bastards fucking and selling kids. Got it?

The rest of your post is just noise, i didn't bother reading your rant as its irrelevant to me and my post, and is clearly a projection of your own frustrations at PC / SJW culture (which i can sympathise with but not when its linked to me by a rando who knows nothing about me).

You come across as a very defensive individual and more than a little bit OTT and paranoid. Thats just my impression, based on your posts. Hope i am wrong.

hedy

I don't doubt that one bit.

But being bothered enough to complain about their request is also snowflakey. And I'll defend your pussyass right to complain about that all day long.

wew

It is destructive noise in our primary fight. This is not a game.

Crensch

"Request"

"I DO NOT LIKE YOUR WORDS CHANGE THEM"

Get fucked.

hedy

Crybaby. Are you seriously this insecure behind your little culture that you can't prioritize a larger purpose?

It's happening with or without you.

Crensch

You say that as if they're mutually exclusive, just like a reddit-cucked faggot would. @kevdude

hedy

another crybaby. Does your mother know you're on the computer again?

Crensch

You don't really understand anything but acting like a millennial faggot and trying to silence others, do you?

hedy

/pol/ still loves you.

Crensch

rEddit still loves you.

hedy

Ahh - you misread your audience (that happens when you don't leave the basement every now and then). never posted on R in my life. have visited through PG links, though. Sorry to burst your delicate little altbubble.

Crensch

You misread me, then, since I don't care where you came from, you belong in a place like rEddit, and I was 100% correct in that they would love you there.

hedy

isn't it past your bedtime?

Crensch

Isn't it time you grew out of projecting your own faults onto others?

hedy

LOL I don't think you even know what that means. If you can't run with the big dogs, keep your fat ass on the porch. /pol/ is waiting.

Or...buck up, shut the fuck up, and make yourself useful for a change.

Crensch

Really? Because it was used properly. If you can't get over your PC bullshit, you really don't belong here. I'd rather belong to /pol/ than rEddit, but I'd just prefer to not be a cucked faggot.

Maybe you should have saved that second line for those that had their panties in a wad over my words.

hedy

You're the one whining and pitching a fit, STILL, hours after those initial posts were made, bitching that someone hurt your feelings and told you 'no' and calling people names. I know children with more composure. Have you contributed anything at all? Is this all you can manage? The adults are working here.

Seriously, this is getting kinda boring. Let's get to work. Kids are dying.

Crensch

You're the one whining and pitching a fit, STILL, hours after those initial posts were made, bitching that someone hurt your feelings and told you 'no' and calling people names.

You really don't understand the situation if that's what you think is going on. Lashing out at censors isn't whining or pitching a fit, it's being assertive about your rights in the medium in question.

I know children with more composure.

I posit that you're not qualified to comment on such things, as your entire argument seems to be "shut up, child", and nothing any adult would call respectable, much less valid.

Have you contributed anything at all? Is this all you can manage? The adults are working here.

Then it's true, you obviously aren't working on anything.

Seriously, this is getting kinda boring. Let's get to work. Kids are dying.

Great way to pretend you're not losing an argument on the internet. I realize the mantra is that it takes a retard to argue on the internet, but to lose one? Ouch.

antiracistNew

@hedy

Great way to pretend you're not losing an argument on the internet. I realize the mantra is that it takes a retard to argue on the internet, but to lose one? Ouch.

Hey shiteater @crensch , way to continue to pretend that I didn't facefuck you in debate.

http://archive.is/gMRlp

@SarMegahhikkitha @eagleshigh @bojangles

hedy

Sweetie, this has nothing to do with scrutiny of censorship. But it's exactly that kind of delusional and sensational bullshit that keeps everyone laughing at the "I can use any words I want!" whining. The fact that you can't see past your self-indulgent, self-important bullshit in order to prioritize a MUCH more critical and urgent issue says everything any of us needs to know about YOUR /pol/ bullshit. It flies there, it won't fly here. Get over it, get to work or get the fuck out. The grownups are working.

CHRIST. children are dying and you fucks are crying about your petulant bullshit.

Crensch

Sweetie, this has nothing to do with scrutiny of censorship.

1) Was the way someone said something the subject of the issue?

2) Was the solution to remove those words?

3) If "yes" was the answer to 1 and 2, is that forcing the subjective manners and morality onto another?

Yes. Yes, it is.

hedy

My point is, you're crying censorship of a few slang words relevant to a small culture, in the midst of REAL life-threatening and illegal censorship of unimaginable crimes in the middle of the largest, most dangerous scandal of modern time. Children are dying and we're asking you to reset your priorities on this one thread.

Crensch

Your point is irrelevant, since you're one of those fucked-in-the-head faggots that thinks I can't be serious about something because I use language that isn't fit for your virgin ears. You somehow have convinced yourself that this is some irrefutable fact of life that is self-evident, which is why you trotted in on your high-horse like it's the first time in your life you've had something important to say.

hedy

This isn't about YOU and your hurt little feelings and your immature need for validation. You're a waste. Take your shit back to /pol/. We're actually doing something here - you may not understand it, that's OK. Just stay out of the way.

Crensch

1) Guy does his thing, makes a post.

2) Cry-bullies whine about the tone

3) Cry-bully accuses guy of being self-centered and needing validation for standing up for himself, and choosing not to change his words to please cry-bully.

Sound about right? Because it sounds like you're the one that needs validation. More of that projection word you don't seem to understand the meaning of.

hedy

This is my farewell post to you - many more important things to do there than be stuck in a circular conversation with someone who perhaps suckled to long—not long enough—hard to tell and already lost interest.

I engaged up to this point hoping that with some casual banter maybe you might at some point acknowledge the greater context for your misguided indignancy. However, you’ve kind of exposed your true intentions - that you’re not really here because of your concern over these crimes. Not once have you referenced THE purpose of this community - it’s all been about your “butthurt” claims and blaming others for not getting your way and making it all about you. This is the psychology of a child.

You are right about one thing - you did clean up your OP post - and it seems my initial post came after that but I didn’t realize it. THAT should have been your initial response to me - not this incessant complaining and blaming. Seems like everyone else moved on - yet you’re still whining. That’s not a good look, anon. Or maybe you’re just a regular guy.

I really don’t fault your /pol/ culture or having convictions and standing up for something. But that’s not where you’re going off the rails. These are liberties that come with the responsibility (at least in this context) of also exercising reason and critical thought, since there is a much greater purpose for any of us being here. You may actually have some of these skills but you’ve not exhibited them in this conversation.

This is substandard, soldier. Have the courage to be more than that. It's probably in you if you open up your world a little bit. Get your shit together - for the sake of the children.

Good luck.

Crensch

However, you’ve kind of exposed your true intentions - that you’re not really here because of your concern over these crimes. Not once have you referenced THE purpose of this community - it’s all been about your “butthurt” claims and blaming others for not getting your way and making it all about you. This is the psychology of a child.

Whatever, armchair Freud. You've been wrong up to this point, and with my last post, you finally figured out how shitty your argument actually is, which is why you're writing this "farewell" and still calling me a child as your best defense of your position.

This is substandard, soldier. Have the courage to be more than that. It's probably in you if you open up your world a little bit. Get your shit together - for the sake of the children.

Eat a dick, and learn that adults don't need to censor themselves to be serious about something, that's the mindset of people that are too busy whining about office harassment and rape culture to get shit done.

Crensch

@kevdude

Crensch

This isn't about YOU and your hurt little feelings and your immature need for validation.

No, it's about YOU and YOUR hurt little feelings, isn't it?

angular_planes

Yes, we have problems. Haven't noticed?

angular_planes

Voat and the pizzagate investigation are going to be destroyed because of your political immaturity. Be proud.

kingkongwaswrong

yeah nothing is black and white, it's a sliding scale. The further we weigh it to our end, the higher the chances of conversion for every person that gets linked to this sub ;) Just looking to maximize chances of information throughput!

Don't be cranky, at least this isnt you - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyqUw0WYwoc&t=196s

I saw two thirds of the people in my home-town starve to death

kingkongwaswrong

Lol I honestly don't know, I don't think I've ever checked the user reports here. =/ I rely on pings!

And I know why they're 'crying' as you put it. Pizzagate has to constantly defend itself, prove its legitimacy and try to disprove all the accusations hurled at it - so anything that makes Pizzagate look bad is extremely concerning, esp if its in any way related to current shit hurling in the MSM. So I understand the community response.

RandomInterjector

Man, I really appreciate what you're trying to say, but it's troubling that you think it's cool to use that language. It's not. Just because you hear ignorant language like that being thrown around all the time, especially from anonymous people behind computer screens, doesn't mean it has become acceptable. It's still personally offensive to many, and someone in your position should avoid offending people who are your allies in this fight. This is not the time to be alienating anyone- working together on this is too damn important!

Sushilover69

I don't think they'll go away because their panties are in a wad.. I think it just sounds kind of immature and it's a serious topic. It just makes it seem like the post isn't very serious.

YouaremeandIamyou

Please change the title? I know you don't mean it literally, but call to arms is open to misinterpretation, which undermines this genuine cause.

kingkongwaswrong

We want the people who would be triggered by #4 to fuck off back to reddit where they belong

kevdude, do we really? Maybe in the greater Voat sense we do, but for people doubting pizzagate? I personally know quite a few people who don't believe it, and I wouldnt want them to be put off by the first post in the sub ... It would make me question linking the sub to some adults I know, which is not what we want. We kinda want this sub to at least on the surface be accessible. Which kinda means the first post - ie the sticky - should have a little bit of concern for PR if that makes sense

Edit: @crensch @kevdude @knowthyself @millennial_falcon @phobos_mothership

For the time being I'm going to copy the sticky as is and just tone it down a bit until we get this ironed out. I know we actually talked about a 'call to arms' sticky to get people to write their own sticky, and to be aware of shills and help us weed them out, but now with the current sticky up there I can see how it totally plays into 'fake news hurts us cause people who believe it get violent hence attack on comet pizza' which is 100% not what we want.

Canada_is_gay

It's not about the use of faggot, it's that it's an open call to attack anyone you don't agree with as a "shill." There are a lot more people who just want deeper proof than there are shadow government agents or whatever running around, and the number of random shill accusations already turns people off.

No one is attacking your right to call people faggots, you taint sucking homoqueer.

tjarco

In a way I was already updating and organizing part of the Pizzagate investigation by updating a list of censorship in this thread https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1470084 I you believe this is usefull I want to continue doing this but would like some suggestions on what to actually cover in this list.

I made the distinction between Pizzagate related censorship and pre-Pizzagate pedo censorship. A comment suggested to only keep this list Pizza related and I agree, because what is happening now is more important to archive than focus on historical cases. Therefore I was contemplating on creating a new thread with a more decriptive title: "Banned News, Articles, Sites, People & Death Threats - Updated list with examples of censorship regarding Pizzagate (PLEASE SUBMIT)"

Also I'm noticing forms of censorship that seem more a result from the genreal battle on Fake News than Pizzagate specific from which I am not sure if this list should keep track of these occurances as well. For example youtubers that have videos banned which are not directly Pizzagate related, but they have talked about Pizzagate in other videos. For example ( AMTV's amazon go video banned & RichieFromBoston live stream banned ) So the question is, is the banning of users that have talked about pizzagate as relevant as actual clear examples of banned Pizzagate information?

Another thing I notice are Reddit members being banned and sites like 8chan being attacked. Should this be covered in this list?

kingkongwaswrong

genuinely useful, adding to sidebar

hedy

LOL - I think you'd be shocked, actually. But you're actually your own version of snowflake, you do realize? ;)

/pol/ will always get credit for being part of the original gladiators in this historic fight, trust me. Those of us who were there (granted, I came on day 2) know who is responsible for the foundational research and that ownership will never be lost. But it's evolved necessarily in order to fulfill its broader purpose.

TruthTrumps

Downvoted because of #4 which is self sabotage of this effort. Intentional? Sheesh.

reasonedandinformed

You are right. I am very suspicious as to why this sticky, the first face of the site, has a "call to arms" (unhinged lunatics driven to violence) and hate toward faggots (homophobes driven by hate). Why the sudden change in tone? I know a false flag op is imminent, and the new sticky makes it so the front page confirms the MSM narrative.

CJJacobs

Rather than whining and complaining here in the comments section, how bout we get to work doing the things the MOD asked.

Who cares is you don't like his language? Time to melt some snowflakes and pull on your big-boy britches. Get to work!

Crensch

You sir. Welcome to Voat. The rest of these cry-bully faggots really just don't belong, but you... you're one of us.

hedy

Totally agree. It's far easier to call someone a shill (been done to me already) because you don't understand something or misinterpret it than it is to engage critical thought. Let's face it - some people aren't capable of critical thought. The broader the PG conversation gets, the more notoriety Voat receives, the more people are going to show up here and the more noise this will bring. But it's a necessary evil in getting the word out.

reasonedandinformed

There is no place for our moderator to use that tone as it is the first thing people see on arriving to the site. We are fighting public perception and the mainstream media, so we should not arm them with something that paints us as bigoted and hateful.

reasonedandinformed

Rewrite rule number 4. Remove emotional and replace with logical statements, as there's no room for hate or citement. That is not what this is about. It is about getting to the truth and pushing for Justice. We are all upset and disgusted at what we've been finding, but this is not a bigoted or hateful group, and the moderator must clean this up immediately.

TruthTrumps

Spot on. For those here criticizing "snowflakes"...it's not even about people's ability to "handle the langauge", it is about being credible. Duh. How does anyone not get that? MSM is looking for any little thing they can find to paint us as a bunch of crazies. Me thinks this is what some here may want, too.

hedy

I totally agree w/ PizzaAccount - there is a time and place for the casual culture you're referencing. But PG and more importantly--it's context of pedo crimes is much bigger than your originating community (for better or worse--I think growth is essential to progress in this case). It will be far more beneficial to the broader CAUSE if you prioritize the need for professional and credible communication. It's just much bigger than your memes.

reasonedandinformed

Please change the title as they are getting ready to do a major false flag operation and point the finger at us for inspiring violence. They will try to latch on to any language that they claim that our effort is hateful and calling for vigilantes.

angular_planes

This isn't just another subverse for cheeto-dusted chronic masturbators, have some integrity - the world is watching.

Htaed

We're serious. Ready to kill for these children. Test me.

hedy

I think we all share the fury inside us over what is happening to these children. Some of us are actually victims or families of victims. But sacrificing the legitimacy of this cause for your own selfish need to "act out" (and yes, your enthusiastic statement of killing is a form of acting out) is unappreciated. Where are your priorities? The difficult but mature and more effective approach (think long-term) is to put the cause first, form a united front, present a professional, reasoned and bullet-proof argument out for the public. There are plenty of other online communities that are a better home for that kind of venting.

reasonedandinformed

You are right. I think we are being set up right before our eyes and that VOAT is now compromised. This new sticky, with the Call to Arms, hate, faggots, is not what this is about but suddenly became our public face. The concerns expressed where met with hostility by the poster and then someone saying that he is "ready to kill." This has not been the tone of this site, which is looking to uncover the truth and move to justice. We are upset and sickened by what we have found, but inciting violence or making vigilante statements plays into what they are clearly planning...a major false flag op. They are now planting "evidence" in VOAT that we are unhinged, bigoted, lunatics driven to violence by our conspiracy. They want to use this to shut us down as their last hope is if what we have found can be contained and not reach enough public awareness to tip the scales. The "public" voat pizzagate site, when not logged into it, shows 45 net votes for this ridiculous sticky. The one you see when logged into it shows 1 net vote since it was shouted down by the community. It is clear to me that we are compromised, and this is part of the setup.

hedy

The machine will attack truth from every angle. This is always the pattern, we've known this, we've lived it. We're getting really good at spotting it and posting about like you just did - this is very good. Please continue to keep an eye on the voting. Newcomers aren't going to understand that as well. You might even want to post a submission about it, keep it visible and allow others to comment.

But also keep in mind that a) PG originated from a unique community with a unique culture and it will take awhile for that to shake out for the greater good of the message---or at least I hope it becomes a more unified message. And b) there are a lot of people migrating here - and this will hopefully continue to expand. Transitional phases are very difficult and that is often what breaks weaker causes

Continue on, be diligent but be wary of paranoia. Suspicion and caution are healthy but it's much easier to act on fear than it is to act more deliberately with measured and reasoned thought. Just remember, we outnumber them and at the moment, the machine is chasing our investigation, not the other way around.

reasonedandinformed

I did. Please read my post (buried at 3 net votes) and vote it up. I have evidence that VOAT is compromised, PLEASE READ it and pass along as it is happening as I type.

Htaed

Ok. How long has this been going on and why has nothing done about it? How much longer will it take to form a "bullet proof" argument? How many more children will need to be tortured and killed until we adults actually do something about it? How long have this been going on? How many times have this subject been brought up only to be buried by EVERYBODY? Do you honestly believe that this shit has JUST happened? NO. This have been going on for hundreds of years and to this point NOTHING has been done. Nothing can be done because nobody is willing to do anything about it. The government, nothing. LEO, nothing. The people, nothing. If God decide to destroy civilization as you know it, do not blame him.

hedy

It's been going on for centuries. Why? because the powers-that-be are involved either directly or by way of blackmail. How much longer? I think there is enough serious evidence to investigate and I believe .gov and agencies have had this evidence for decades. The problem is that they're still being controlled by the machine.

The other serious issue is the American public is lazy and asleep. The primary purpose of PG and all our efforts is to educate the masses. Everything needs to be focused and prioritized on waking up the good but lazy people of this country. If we are successful, we will find out if we are actually stronger than the machine. But we have to wake them up first and this comes with great sacrifice. We're asking you to funnel your fury into a productive output of information (it's healthier for you, too). Be strong and dig.

Htaed

trump gets his chance. If this issue is not resolved, nothing can help them.

angular_planes

Can we delete comments that incite violence and set us up? Or will some political retard think it's 1984 on voat...

Htaed

Delete what you want. Nothing changes.

billybigrigger

I noticed this: http://pizzagate.wikia.com/wiki/

May be a good place to organize info?

Crensch

Now in the sidebar.

billybigrigger

Thanks. oldfag new to #pg. Can help with organizing the wiki, but new to wikia, so I'll do some learning and check back later.

Started this: http://pizzagate.wikia.com/d/p/2896447404276730451

Edit: Also checking the other sidebar sites. I'm liking wikia because it will be the most "friendly" to casual users.

fvckh1m_up

please put in your post that the wiki exists which is where all verified info is welcome (I think this voat subverse is the wiki's filter and simultaneously serves as a feed, well at least for me i try to pick up on things here )

Crensch

Now in the sidebar

fvckh1m_up

Well we already were, still thank you. (ours is far more extensive, but also far from finished www.pizzagate.review) we're getting decent traffic, coverage is good and the idea is to show people this is real, allies are good.

heygeorge

probable shills

Mod team, lol

RedGreenAlliance

The comments are a free for all and I don't care about the cut and thrust of a forum like this. Actually I like it. My point is the GOAL is imperative: exposing paedo elite rings.

If a first timer came to this forum, the sticky is in reality, the "public face" and advertisement for the forum and our goals. It should be professional, respectful, mature and inclusive.

People won't judge the forum by the odd comment, shill or arguement. But they will by the "official" sticky.

My only point was to alter the language a bit. If the same point can be made equally well, without language some might find crass, why not.

RandomInterjector

Very well said.

reasonedandinformed

You are 100% correct.

Sushilover69

I agree completely. I think changing that part just increases the percentage of people who will keep looking around/subscribe after reading the sticky. We need numbers right now.

concernedcitizen36

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CEO IS Ammar Ibrahim Pasha https://web.archive.org/web/20161210071408/https:/twitter.com/ibasha https://web.archive.org/web/20161210075351/http://www.macraesbluebook.com/search/company.cfm?company=1559029

http://www.diigen.com/supplier/utrade-international-incbuilding-materials-united-states-2773482/ Webpage listed on site above also DEAD http://www.toboc.com/utradeinternationalinc706554 https://web.archive.org/web/20161210075351/http://www.macraesbluebook.com/search/company.cfm?company=1559029

This website is listed for them... Looks like it might be the company that built website? But Utrade doesn't have one, sketchy..... http://www.inovcorp.com/en/home http://web.archive.org/web/20161210062404/http://www.inovcorp.com/en/home Offices in Portland, Portugal, U.K. Angola, Mozambique Staff- Tiago Caetano, Pedro Conceição,

Toria International https://web.archive.org/web/20161210082619/http://www.inavcorp.com

Investigate1999

Why is it huge? What difference does any of it make? I own a business. Does that mean that I am involved in any of this?

concernedcitizen36

It goes all the way to LA. CEO is a former Saudi banker, deals in international trade. Not suspicious at all?? Besta had a Pedo symbol as their company logo

PizzaAccount

It's more about appearing professional and credible. It's not so much about it being used, but it's being used in an official admin announcement, so it just seems needless. As far as Voat, yeah, I'm sure you guys do whatever you want, but this sub is for a serious investigation and throwing around slurs makes it look less serious.

shakethetree

The language used on #4 is juvenile. In addition, are you aware what "Call to Arms" means? I highly suggest toning down the violent rhetoric.

Crensch

The language used on #4 is juvenile.

Get over yourself.

are you aware what "Call to Arms" means? I highly suggest toning down the violent rhetoric.

Yup.

a summons, invitation, or appeal to undertake a particular course of action <a political call to arms>

Eat a dick.

shakethetree

You are a MOD?

Crensch

Welcome to Voat. Stop playing PC police, and nut up.

angular_planes

It's not about PC, it's about PR, with a message that some of us would say is important.

Crensch

Actually, let's take this a step further. Even if you're talking about normies, or people just getting into this, what kind of thin-skinned faggot will turn tail at my rhetoric, but have the cods to investigate a pedo ring?

Also, if you have an issue with how this sticky is worded, then make a sticky that works in its place as outlined.

angular_planes

Using the word faggot in our Welcome sticky? If someone has to tell you why that's a horrible idea and why it doesn't represent this community you should NOT be moderating us.

You can say I'm treading on your free speech and language policing you. Or you can stop misrepresenting the community. It's a shame because you're work is absolutely fantastic and then it gets tarnished with unnecessary shit that makes us look bad. I'm not trying to fight man, just a suggestion.

angular_planes

You are our moderator, in some sense you should represent us, kind of. I am certainly not offended by your rhetoric, at all. But I don't have to explain why it's bad for our image and how it can be used against us - you're not an idiot. I'm not liberal, I'm not calling for PC, i'm not being confrontational. I'm asking that you treat this sub with integrity, it's an investigation. It's not about IMPRESSING the MSM it's about avoiding their attacks, dont play dumb.

PS. working on updating and reorganizing your summary, will pass by the community for editing suggestions soon

Crensch

Sounds like the wrong kind of PR. I'm not here to impress the treasonous MSM. If you are, then I posit you don't think this is terribly important, yourself.

charmeuse

Here is a great site that compiles so much info: http://pedocrats.com/mountain/ It starts with stuff posted on Reddit in 2013, and continues up to today, all the most heinous pedophile scandals here and abroad. Concise, with MSM sources noted.

Noctu

to make a sticky-worthy post of nothing but diamonds of VALID information.

You'll probably have a paragraph of text, if that.

There was a post made here the other day with majorly speculative information and it currently has 173 upvotes. If you're going to set a standard you need to police it.

To make it even funnier, check out the title lol

Fact-checking the list of code-words (most are true, but not all) - Please let's keep bad info away

Chance903

4) WE NEED YOUR HELP to call out these shills. Comment where you find their bullshit and call it out, or find a shill you hate and follow that fucker around and 1000-years-of-pain that faggot.

This will not end well, it will be like the snake eating the tail.

Investigate1999

Use proper quote formatting please. You just need to use the greater than sign to make it look like this.

blah blah blah...

Crensch

I kinda doubt it, but I should put that the upvoted shill usernames could be reported to /v/reportctr .

wisdomtooth

Why not use infogalactic ?

Crensch

Does not appear to be overly fleshed-out.

wisdomtooth

Flesh it out, then ;)

Crensch

Edited OP : "To get your post stickied, present a fully fleshed-out submission +comments that are already well put together and mostly up to date."

wisdomtooth

I was responding to this:

We need someone that will update and organize a sticky-worthy post of what is KNOWN.

The suggestion is to use infogalactic for this summary, since shill sentinels are blocking it at Wikipedia, and then copy-paste it on the sticky. Or not.

Crensch

And that's fine - once someone can flesh it out.

wisdomtooth

I've chipped in there. We need more editors.

Crensch

? Just pinging Cynabuns for his/her opinion just like the other pings.

Crensch

That's a fantastic plan. Hoping that more than one individual steps up to help with this endeavor.

Investigate1999

How many posts can be stickied? I ask, because it would be nice to have a thread for misc. questions. I tried searching for a coded discussion in the Wikileaks emails, but I couldn't find it. It would be nice to be able to ask without cluttering the main page.

Crensch

Q&A post on the sidebar. Only one post at a time can be stickied.

Investigate1999

Thanks!

Crensch

Done in edit. Was unaware of its existence; thanks.

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES

Can you get rid of "call to arms".

That's the most unproductive bullshit I have ever seen here. Do you want them to easily discredit us?

RedGreenAlliance

I agree with the sentiment and the idea but not the language used i section 4. We are a big serious community which is bringing in al sorts of people and this sticky post will be read first. I would hate to think people would read section 4 and be put off contributing. Just my two cents and good luck with this initiative

popezandy

Dumb to have a problem with, disagree.

tudda

I agree. Change the language.

4thDaGrymReaper

Yay or nay on reporting posts, I don't feel like commenting a bunch. I will help stalk some shills though.

Crensch

@heygeorge @VictorSteinerDavion @Phobos_Mothership @Millennial_Falcon

You guys see anything that needs to be added or removed? Let me know.

Crensch

@Cynabuns