doubleherpes

Right, that's what I mean. They don't verify their verifying sources.

notdivided

are you seriously comparing EFT to handwashing?? now you at least admit it is not recognized as evidence based? do YOU have financial interest in it being used? It's been 20 years...when will EFT prove that it isn't just quackery?

I have severe PTSD. I take issue with debunked psuedoscience masquerading as the wondercure then sold to the sick and weary. Shame Shame. Headline says it best "EFT a whole new woo"

http://scienceblogs.com/whitecoatunderground/2009/03/10/eft-a-whole-new-woo/

doubleherpes

I ignore Snopes too, mostly because they're kinda lazy about accepting mainstream sources as being true.

notdivided

it's easy to find a single study to support your own views. The proof is that the American Psychological Association does not include it in their list of evidenced based treatment, nor do they allow EFT training to be submitted as CE (continuing education) credit. This is based on their review of all the evidence, not a single study. The study you have cited was already torn apart for methodological flaws as were other studies supporting EFT and other 'energy psychology' treatments.

Hopefully you are not convincing people to seek this treatment instead of them getting an appropriate evidence based treatment-that is dangerous. AND What snake oil to those in fear and pain "after just ONE session."

OrwellKnew

bingo! (?)

OrwellKnew

Great points ManuelCruz. Sorry my details were a little fuzzy

shootermcgvn

Why did Tony Podesta and wife excavate a "huge subterranean vault beneath their house outside Washington"

"We had to get a structural engineer in to sort out what sort of support it needed," says Podesta.

Pretty easy for shills to dismiss based just on that quote.

notdivided

tapping is not evidence based. Not the kind of thing we need on pizzagate.

doubleherpes

I don't believe you. I can't. Because I have no idea who you are. You could be CIA or FSB or a Catholic Bishop. Sorry. Proof or GTFO.

doubleherpes

I can't listen to anything you say, until you provide proof. Put together a big album of infographics that explain your situation, and I'll be happy to read them.

doubleherpes

I have been a victim of phedophilia since 4 is as far as I can remember by various people till around 12 years but the worst was when I was 4 .

I also have that that RH neg blood and have the same kinda eye thing mentioned in the archives

You made certain claims. That includes an implicit request that we treat you as if those claims are true. I'm asking you to prove your claims before we treat you as anything other than a troll. I'm sure you understand.

SecureYourSeats

They are NOT saying that there is anything wrong or alien about a person with the eye thing. Just that these people seem particularly interested in people with this rare eye effect. I am so very sorry that you were abused, you are not to blame, you should have been lovingly cared for as the darling gift from God that you were, but evil people .... So awful sorry!

PrideOfOshtekk

You're not a freak at all man. Stay strong.

Idk about alien blood or whatever, but its just a genetic thing as far as we know. Nobody hates you for that.

None of this is in any way your fault. Remember that.

blind_sypher

You should contact David Seagate if yiu want your story out. Hes on youtube and would be extremely i terested in covering your story. We dont think your evil or anything because of your eye. We wanna help you and others like you. From our research it seems to have sonething to do with a protein complex involved im the aging process, so nothing nefarious in your part, but please get in contact with him. Yiu can be the one that helps blow this wide open.

doubleherpes

I have been a victim of phedophilia since 4 is as far as I can remember by various people till around 12 years but the worst was when I was 4 .

I also have that that RH neg blood and have the same kinda eye thing mentioned in the archives

@Cc1914

Proof or GTFO

pizzahthrowaway

You're not evil, evil isn't inherent, it comes from actions people make in the infinite timelines, where they are confronted with multiple paths and choose evil, you are not evil, I promise.

DearClaudio

Didn't know how much I needed that. Thank you for sharing.

rush22

There's no real "meaning" behind it. It just looks interesting. It's the same reason albinos have also been targets of weird religious sects and cults, legends, etc.

quantokitty

Yes, allegedly "artwork". Award artwork? So you have to bury pieces that are outsized when you have more room than a family of thousands would need?

If this is code for something, please note that thread the other day where JA gives a five star review to the rear view of a house he's refurbishing. He pins the point to the rear entry and calls it 'PEGASUS MUSEUM.

Awkward artwork? Museum?

Maybe ...

cosmicmind

You can make a difference by letting people know that pedo-crimes are real. For some reason the Hollyweird gang and mainstream decision makers have decided that it couldn't possibly happen in the political elite, even though project flicker shows that it happened in military - then stopped the investigation and wouldn't name the big names.

cosmicmind

The guardian is often the source of obscure mentions to these topics. The Guardian pops up all the time.

OrwellKnew

Yes understandable. But again I advise restraint. Why meet him on his own turf surrounded by people and places familiar to him? If you even so much as contact him, by phone, email, etc...that tips your hand. He may start destroying evidence, intimidating witnesses. Best to stay silent until you have a case against him ready to roll with the appropriate authorities, and then let the police grab him. He can then see you in the courtroom where you will have Justice delivered.

followthedolla

coloboma (eye thing) doesnt necessarily make you alien, its a rare genetic defection. satanists/occultists have taken special interest in it for ages, reasons are unknown to me. have strength and in your struggle remember that the shit they did to you was not your fault. peace

SaneGoatiSwear

Merovingian line, maybe.

find the living descendants, breed in a marker such as the eye so they can always find them..?

don't know much about the coloboma...

OrwellKnew

I had to google that term "Merovingian". Holy shit another rabbit hole, thanks you just stole hours from my life as I now must investigate, lol

Elitch

use startpage.com if you want google search. It anonymizes your query.

CrackerJacks

I would suggest going to the police with this, you have his name and address, give a statement.....Even if nothing comes of it the police they will be aware of it/him......I hope something comes from it though for you, but he could be abusing others and could have done so.

It's down to you though, I can't imagine how you are feeling and I will not try to.

We'll not think bad of you either way.

OrwellKnew

I would strongly recommend against travelling to there. Instead I would recommend getting involved with a survivors network and ask for advice there. Emotions can get the best of us and that never leads to good outcomes. You have your own family to worry about.

https://www.rainn.org/articles/adult-survivors-child-sexual-abuse

That is just one example. I'm no expert and don't claim to be. Also, I don't know if you're religious or not, but I will be praying for you, God bless!

comeonpeople

Obviously not for the exact reason stated, to store and display art installations. Clearly, they bizarrely chose to tell the Guardian about the torture chamber they were building.

logjam

I would think the eye thing would be that a person with that condition is special somehow.

DICKFART_

not everyone with this eye condition is an alien

OrwellKnew

I'm not sure you can trust anyone right now, but hopefully after Jan 20th the creeps will be swept away. Was the abuse you suffered in any way related to rituals, the occult, blood ceremonies or such? And where are those abusers now? Are they prominent people or run of the mill scum?

Sharipie

These people are such FREAKS!

zlomsocz

The fine art connection has yet to be discovered, everything involves art

nowiknow

The art pieces may have to do with money laundering too. Art auctions. No one bats an eye when you spend millions on a painting.

OrwellKnew

Great point!

Orlando_Kek_Follower

I think the reason its a hard angle to approach is because people will call ANYTHING "art." Marina Abramovic cuts a pentagram into her bare flesh while sitting there naked, covered in blood? Art. Someone vomits onto a canvas? Art.

Even when I show people the paintings that Tony Podesta is into, they just respond with "its just weird art. it doesn't prove anything." Honestly, people are just brainwashed by the "fake news" thing, and as soon as any of this is brought up, they're being conditioned like dogs to ignore it and berate anyone who brings it up. Most of the people "debunking" PizzaGate are ego maniacs who put their own lives ahead of children who are potentially being enslaved, raped, and killed.

OrwellKnew

Even more disturbing than Abramovic is perhaps Anna Gaskell. Tony Podesta claims to have the world's largest collection of her "art". Google for "Anna Gaskell" under images. It's all sick, creepy pedo shite

zlomsocz

Sounds like a modern Mk indoctrination dungeon.

fvckh1m_up

To make pizzas?

Kiwi_Slave

The whole article is code words. A 4m tall statue of Barney the dinosaur would be awkward to collect and display, but obviously not the meaning here. Other private collectors will not consider ... displaying highly illegal "art". Why was a vault needed, why not a big loft - there are laser devices which can bounce off your windows and detect the sounds coming from inside - not to mention The RANGE-R handheld radar which can detect movement inside buildings. "Very complicated video pieces" means the sort which would result in life in prison for any peasant caught with one. This is Podesta bragging about his privilege - I am powerful enough to get away with anything - showing off to lesser elites.

remedy4reality

Did you read the entire original article where they mention him 'walking around with a slice of pizza' ?

ALDO_NOVA

who eats pizza in a museum no less? also: wine + pizza = puke

total code

AreWeSure

you're saying people don't drink wine while eating pizza? Really?

ALDO_NOVA

spaghetti, yes...pasta yes, but pizza? never heard of that combo no sorry

only pizza and beer

AreWeSure

Pizza comes from Southern Italy and Sicily. What do you think they drink there?
I just looked up the best pizzerias in Naples and then looked for pictures and found this one. It's a tourist eating pizza and drinking wine at this famous pizzeria. And he's wearing a Guinness T-shirt! Obviously someone who like beer, but in Naples he has a bottle of red on his table. https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/1a/9d/01/ham-and-egg-pizza.jpg

I prefer beer with pizza myself, but it's absolutely not uncommon for people to drink wine with pizza. I live NYC and searching "pizza wine" in google turns up several pizza and wine bars.

Here's a few articles on what wine to pair with pizza. http://drinks.seriouseats.com/2013/02/ask-a-sommelier-best-wine-for-pizza-pairing-good-italian-wine-advice.html http://www.foodandwine.com/slideshows/wine-pairings-pizza-toppings http://winefolly.com/tutorial/authentic-italian-pizza-and-the-wines-to-go-with/

Here's a PDF of the very extensive wine list at a fancy pizzeria in NYC http://ny.ottopizzeria.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2014/08/MENU-10.27.16.pdf

Orangutan

quote? link? source? I couldn't find it in the posted article: https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2004/apr/20/usa.world

jangles

Can we link DARKROOM?

OrwellKnew

Sure, have at it bro

remedy4reality

Why does 'A Clockwork Orange' come to mind when I think of the Tony Podesta movie room ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv1Bmne20l4

Baluga

Now I have to reimagine every Kubrick film as "based on a true story". Thanks!

ALDO_NOVA

dont forget to start with Lolita - Peter Sellers ("Quilty") loves to play "Roman Ping Pong"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXMozRptv64

Zinnsee

My guess is something more like 'A Serbian Film' .

But have an upvoat for Clockwork

Elitch

Jesus Christ! I knew nothing about that film when I downloaded it. Like watching a prolonged trainwreck on a subway platform filmed in 1000fps. I don't think I got through the whole thing to be honest.

Zinnsee

Yeah it lingers on my hard drive somewhere but until now I was never 'in the mood' to actually watch it. sorry to ruin your day

Elitch

Give it a watch, it's brutal. I don't know what mood you would watch it in...it's really fucked up.

jangles

Tony Podesta is the sick fuck no one would trust and John Podesta knows how to fake it. They are quite the team of lobbyists.

derram

https://archive.is/yMJeG :

Tony Podesta: globetrotting art collector | Culture | The Guardian

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logjam

Interesting find. Good work.

FTA "We don't buy anything we don't love," he says. "Some people collect one of lots of different people. Our style is to collect a smaller number of artists - probably 50 - in some depth. We'll have 20 of this person and 40 of that person."

I wonder whose work - and I wonder what of.

OrwellKnew

My guess is that "snuff" type films are shown and/or produced in their underground lair

organic1

Considering how he wants to show the movies on all four walls, it appears that the audience will be busy doing something and not simply seated. Considering how many victim accounts involve orgies and child porn happening in basements, I'm wondering if such activities would be happening while the movies are playing, so no matter which way you're looking, you can still see the movie. It definitely sounds like this creature and his bride are collecting child porn and snuff films to entertain themselves and their debauched friends.

carmencita

One of their debauched friends will be the Obamas. They will be living two doors away and I am sure they will be invited to partake in one of their activity evenings or afternoons. Nothing like an afternoon or evening of child porn and snuff films.
Another glass of champagne with piece of pizza, dahling?

organic1

LOL! I don't doubt that one bit.

Le_Squish

That is orgy seating you are describing.

organic1

Thanks for confirming. I'm not trying to be funny, but I had no idea there was such a thing as "orgy seating". I figured the floor was just one big rubber mat.

Le_Squish

The point is to make sure everyone can see no matter what sexual position you are in.

organic1

Indeed! Damn, I wish they'd raid Podesta's house!

Queen_Puabi

Didn't he say something about "still in the torture chamber"?

organic1

Oh, yeah! Thanks for bringing that up. He may have been talking about his vault.

logjam

Or it could be legit. I'm not arguing with you - because from what we have seen on PG, chances are it's some corrupt shit - or maybe even a mixture of both for a cover. If there was some legit stuff in there - who could it possibly be from?

From the article I almost got the feeling it was shady. Did you read the thread about watching the different movies - and them syncing up in one way or another? I think it was Kubric films like EyesWideShut and TheShining. The poster was showing how if you watch different movies at different scenes the movies correlated with one another. Occult shit.

OrwellKnew

Interesting angle, one I had not considered. But there is DEF a lot to learn from Eyes Wide Shut. Backstory I understand is that ...Kubrick ONLY agreed to fake the Apollo Landings (yes its true) for the Govt if they promised to give him full financing and 100% artistic license for one film of his choosing at a later date. The result was Eyes Wide Shut

note: he died 1 year after EWS was released

logjam

Yes. I was aware of some of those details. I imagine someone like Podesta would be a lot more on the in with knowing that certain films might correlate well with others - hence having 4 video's on one screen?

Sadistic pedophiles might like multiple angles as well for one "scene" too - so there's that to consider I guess. Terrible to have to have it cross your mind along the way.