Why Aren't the Mods Regulating the Top Article in this Subverse Right Now? It is an Obvious Trap ( pizzagate )

submitted by CJJacobs

...The article purports to be from 'Russia'.

The information in the article is true, okay, yes.

BUT if we start spreading that article, it being sourced from 'Russia'...if that spreads...we are literally playing right into the hands of the msm.

We are literally agreeing with the 'narrative' of the msm that our info is coming from Russia. WHY ISN'T THERE MORE PROTEST ABOUT THIS?

WHERE ARE THE MODS? WHERE ARE THE PLEBS?

Only responses I've been getting on this are from SHILLS trying to downvoat this into oblivion.

Millennial_Falcon

If it's "shoddy," it's simply because (1) the workload is too much for the number of mods we have now, (2) mods have to work, eat, and sleep, and (3) Voat is vigilantly anti-censorship, so we can only delete posts that violate our rules. Flairing posts is our main option to deal with disinformation and such. Personally I just woke up and hadn't seen the post yet.

Edit: What post is OP even talking about?

Edit 2: Saw the post on "Hot," flaired as already discovered, which I think is the most appropriate option.

CJJacobs

Correct. My opinion is not shared in this community -- by which 'community' I assume you mean the large number of trolls like yourself.

The rest of us meanwhile are in perfect agreement.

How much are you being paid to lose your soul in support of this satanic cause?

There is still time to repent. Come to the good side!

CJJacobs

What I'm saying has nothing to do with being made fun of personally -- of which I could care less.

I am saying it is precisely because kids are being ritually abused that we do not need to discredit the movement, but need it to be able to spread to as many people as possible -- something which an article like this, with a source like this would halt.

I'm not sure why I am taking the time to explain this to a troll though.

Perhaps I am trying to covert you?

Come to the good side troll. You will feel a lot better about yourself.

CJJacobs

Thank you Wagner.

You may go back to your bridge now.

kekistocrat

Quite simply, I believe some of the mods are CTR Phobos, works with otisfirefly. All I can say is one has to keep track of their comments and figure out whether or not it goes to promote the msm narrative. It's time consuming and sucks that's why I stopped cause I wanted to do real research. I've noticed they use simple strategies, like down voting relevant stuff and using NVC & NLP to push the narrative. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1470365 my comments are clear but Phobos pushes the gunman... good luck

Phobos_Mothership

I say this a lot, but that post got SO many upvotes. Felt good to have the support of the community.

kekistocrat

Of course the community doesn't condone violence. I don't either. My contention is with your willingness to defend your position after a blatant oversight (or ?) was pointed out to you. Truth begins with knowing ones' self...

Phobos_Mothership

Defend what position?? The one that I don't condone violence? And it's a good thing for the community to openly state that fact?

kekistocrat

Oh for fuck's sake man... https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1470365/7135452 if you defend it, it makes you look bad. plain and simple. You defend an obvious error or intentional mistake. Either way.

Phobos_Mothership

what obvious error?

kekistocrat

Allright, fucker. I'm going to take your virtual hand here and walk you through this... I'm not wasting my time after this as I see this is but a job to you. You stated that I 'disliked a post about not being violent' -- That is not what I disliked. I stated quite clearly that I agree about no violence but disagree with acknowledgement of gunman. go read the reply. Your choice of words only adds credibility to my assertion that you're using NLP or NVC.' Obvious error. Your statement is false. You're defending an error or intentional mistake. It's like if you were in a courtroom and you did this, everyone would look away and chuckle at the absurdity of someone defending an obvious error, intentional or not.

Phobos_Mothership

We can't PROVE the gunman was a false flag, so I treat it like a POTENTIAL false flag. Is that wrong?

kekistocrat

A. False flag and staged event are two different things. B. Acknowledgement is giving credit to the msm's narrative, even if you can't prove it . Can you prove 'Pizzagate'. Doesn't make it any less important.

CJJacobs

I notice you don't deny being a CTR saboteur.

Phobos_Mothership

Should I have to? You're the one making the claims. You should provide proof.

CJJacobs

Yup. You kind of should have to.

Proof has already been provided by multiple users here and elsewhere.

Most people who are honest usually seek to clear their names.

Phobos_Mothership

You didn't provide proof, you provided conjecture, all deletions are displayed in the modlog and I state the rule which was broken which led to the deletion.

You are burdened with the proof of your claims.

CJJacobs

Deletions are not in question here. Refusal to flag/tag/bag disreputable top posts are.

Phobos_Mothership

I've explained many times why I am not removing a perfectly reputable news source.

CJJacobs

Go to hell.

Phobos_Mothership

I've pinged the rest of the mods, they have taken no issue with the post.

CJJacobs

Sure you have. Then all of you are compromised.

Phobos_Mothership

https://sli.mg/dRdEDR proof of ping

feel free to take it up with them, I believe the post should stay.

CJJacobs

And I still don't hear you denying that you are a saboteur.

heygeorge

Make sure you check the delineator for top. Currently is defaulting to 'day'.

micha_

The whole VOAT-system is pure garbage, because new stuff buries older stuff, no matter how good it is. It's impossible to have focused discussions. For example, one user posted an excellent article about Podesta's hand, three days ago. No one upvoted. I created a new one today, not knowing, that this was already much better researched.

Phobos_Mothership

did you know:

You can search the submissions in this subverse with the search bar in the sidebar?

micha_

Yes Phobos, but the problem is, that older topics will stay dead, because nobody sees them anymore or sees, that a discussion is still being alive.

Phobos_Mothership

I don't write the algorithms.

Phobos_Mothership

I don't think one article sourced from Russia Insider is that big a deal, especially if the info is accurate.

CJJacobs

You have got to be kidding @Phobos_Mothership . Sorry pal, either you're compromised, drunk, or delusional.

If that article spreads off-site and gets any traction outside of voat, it literally ruins huge tracts of credibility in the mainstream/non-woke audience.

Good Lord, this site is compromised!

dindonufin

I detect a forum sliding shill.

OtisFirefly

It's confirmed by multiple sources besides Russian media, the story could be from North Korea and it would still be credible. If it doesn't violate rules why should it be deleted, that is against the Voat's free speech principles.

CJJacobs

YOU AGAIN.

Phobos_Mothership

why do you say that, if the information is correct?

CJJacobs

REALLY?!?!?!?!

Phobos_Mothership

Yes, really.

HolyMoly0

There have been many front-page posts with this same information that didn't come from Russian publications. It's really fucking horrible PR to have a Russian article defending Pizzagate (and especially tangentially addressing the "fake news" issue) at the top of our front page, especially at this exact point in time

Phobos_Mothership

you said it yourself 'tangentially' and that is at best.

HolyMoly0

But not "tangentially" defending Pizzagate--which is the point of my argument--EXPLICITLY defending Pizzagate.

CJJacobs

I'm not the first here to point out that 'Phobos' -- whose name in Greek incidentally means 'fear' -- is with the dark side and a compromised moderator.

You'll notice too that when called out on this, to my knowledge, he does not deny it.

HolyMoly0

Well I don't see any conclusive evidence that Phobos is compromised. But at the very least, anyone who frames other peoples' arguments as poorly as @Phobos_Mothership just did mine should not be a moderator here.

Surprisingly bad judgment and communication skills.

Phobos_Mothership

Why? because I pointed out that it sounds really stupid to say that it is "Bad PR" to have accurate information from a source that just happens to be based in Russia, and confirmed by sources elsewhere? Because I noted that you mentioned how 'tangentially' this connects to fake news? Because it is NOT fake news, but you believe that because the MSM is stating that fake news is from Russia that we should consider ACCURATE news from russia to be fake news and censor it accordingly?

HolyMoly0

I never said Russian news is always fake news. I meant that it is a Russian article arguing against the NY Times, which is potentially dangerous to have on our front page, since there is such an intense red scare being peddled by the MSM and Federal government, who are actively trying to censor the internet (more specifically, us) on the basis of "dangerous Russian propaganda."

The "fake news" part was the cherry on top of the ice cream that was my actual argument. Instead of refuting my main argument, you took the little detail and twisted it to make it stand for the whole thing. I don't like that kind of tactic one bit.

Phobos_Mothership

And you're going to ignore the fact that you are treating REAL NEWS like FAKE NEWS because you are afraid that the msm will use it against you? And that none of the other mods I've pinged have taken issue with the post?

HolyMoly0

Did I say the Russian article is fake news?

Phobos_Mothership

you are treating it like it is fake news by reducing its credibility on the grounds that the msm claims russia is providing fake news.

HolyMoly0

I'm trying to keep Pizzagate alive. I think having this article on the front page threatens our survival. That's it.

Phobos_Mothership

then take it up with the other mods, I've already told you what I think. If another mod wants it deleted than they can do that.

CJJacobs

Then you REALLY are compromised.

Phobos_Mothership

It's not like the article is from russian hackers, it's from a reputable crowd-funded news site that happens to be Russian.

CJJacobs

Oh what the hell. Why not just hand this subverse over to CTR.

kekistocrat

I think some of them are CTR. Especially Phobos and otisfirefly, couple others. I've given up on trying to call them out. They work together and simply down vote relevant stuff. Simple. Phobos uses NLP & NVC. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1470365 just look at my comments. It's quite clear are pushing the narrative.

CJJacobs

I know what NLP is. What is NVC?

kekistocrat

Non-violent communication. But more harmful than the name suggests. Used basically for manipulation. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G1UoKpu-lMY . Part 1 is good too.

CJJacobs

Awesome. Thank you.

pizzagatewillnotdie

Yes, to a logical person looking into this information daily, that's correc, but not o the people who are being spoon fed information by the MSM. There is a very possible second red scare happening right now. Things are tense the in MSM crowd.

Phobos_Mothership

Who cares what the spoonfed bovine masses think? Do you honestly? Because I have news for you: they think you wear tinfoil hats to keep the reptilian shapeshifters away. The article has a reputable source, I don't personally care if it is from Russia. If you have such a huge issue with it, ping all of the mods in this post and see if any of the other ones give a shit.

pizzagatewillnotdie

I was simply offering my humble opinion/perspective. Do whatever you want. No need to be a dick.

Phobos_Mothership

I'm serious. Ping the other mods, and maybe one of them will agree and they can delete the post if they feel it's necessary.

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