Have you guys seen the following mails from the famous thinly sliced pizza? ( pizzagate )

submitted by catladies

Hi guys, I joined two minutes ago, been following the case for a couple of weeks. I was just reading trough some pizza mail when i found the famous mail : Title Here .

So i followed the chain and noticed this mail: Title Here Shouldn't we consider the simpler explanation here?That they were simply ordering pizza for the guys in the office?

Notice i'm not a shill, but i think it's important to sort the shady mails from the maybe innocent mails? I agree that the term pizza in Podesta emails sound like code. [email protected] looks like a email that everyone at Stratfor Austin office get right? Are all of them Pedos? or is this simply an actual pizza event?

If someone have more information on why this mail has stuck as an example of mysterious emails , can you clearify?

rush22

Basically what happened was a couple of the e-mails (pizza-related map) looked like there was some sort of code.

Now every e-mail with the word pizza in it is now a "suspect". There are, not surprisingly, not very many e-mails like that. So there's not much to work with. And even a slight deviation from the way you think someone would write what's in them is perceived as and gets a flagged as being "all part of the code".

For example, taken out-of-context, the "Dominos" thing sounds completely insane. In context (read the e-mail people), it is just a strange way of writing something that might or might not be a code.

catladies

Yup, and that's really to bad. I think this thing(pizzagate) has a good deal of legitimate question but it's spiraling out of control, Pizza is not always code... sometimes it's just pizza- I think people here are emotionally driven and i can understand that.

MolochHunter

It remains ambiguous in my view. The follow up could be taken to mean, its actually just pizza. That doesnt really explain one slice for an office full of workers. Who would ever presume/arrange that - unless he mistyped and mean one large pizza only to go round rather than a slice.

The 2nd email could also, however, be a confirmation of more than one victim available

catladies

I agree it could be possible, but it looks highly unlikely to me. What incentive is there for Stratford to mail this to the whole Austin office? I think it's more important to focus on the so called "Pizza Project" very bad choice of code name if not CP related.

Blacksmith21

SHILL/CTR ALERT.

catladies

Listen... I'm following you guys on most of the points of this investigation, but it's important do distinguish the mails that can be explained. Calling me shill just because i point out a weakness in ONE of the multiple theories is not helpful. Also what you are doing (denying alternate theories is what an ideology does and that i hope you can agree that we don't want.) Shill my ass.

Blacksmith21

Look, I'm all about the analysis of competing hypotheses. I was trained to look for alternative viewpoints and outcomes. The use of pizza, pasta, etc. mazes ZERO sense in any context they are discussing - fundraising, direct mail, drugs, etc. None of them fit. Human trafficking fits. When you hit a tipping point, one starts to look for data/intelligence which disproves your theory, not confirms it. I've seen none so far. Every new piece has an algorithmic effect. Occam's Razor.

catladies

Using Occam's razor you should then be able to see that in THIS specific mail it's more likely that they are talking about actual food. There are possibly 100+ people connected to the Stratford Austin email, do you think all of these people are in on the secret, the secretary? the low level analysts? why add all these people to your illegal activity, that seems unnecessary in the light of the catastrophic effects that a possible leak of the emails would conjure. I respect your choice but i hope you'll see that to me this looks like a false positive.

Blacksmith21

@stratforaustin is an "allhands" email for the whole office, right? Then why this email asking to specifically add this person to the list?

( https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/35/3511406_please-add-bonnie-neel-stratfor-com-to-stratforaustin.html) )

Every org I've ever worked at automatically adds you to the company-wide distro.

And you have to remember, at the time of the writing, no one considered that they would be compromised. Afterall, the Queen Pedo herself was about to be coronated. Pedo for all with impunity.

This may or may not be a lead. I have no idea. But at this point, with all that we've seen so far, to summarily dismiss it as a nothing because it makes sense in your head, does not mean that we will stop following the lead to ground.

catladies

Yes, checked it out, she was a new employee at the time and needed some access to things and also be added to all the mailing lists. [Neel mail] ( https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/24/240274_-it-qwy-852075-new-writer-bonnie-neel-.html) ) Ofc keep digging, that's what we have to do. But it pains me to see this mail being referenced to definite pedo activity when it's not a definite lead in my mind, people like me looking up this mail will often come to the same conclusion and then deny all of it.

Blacksmith21

For the record, I never said it was "definite pedo activity". I only said that at a certain point, when confronted with overwhelming data, you start to look to disprove, rather than prove.

Let me try it another way - if you were Comey, based solely on what you've seen here, would you pursue an investigation?

catladies

Yes i would, but not based on this email. A lot of susp going around with the art, bands, connections to Comet, codes etc. That said it's important to look at each case and deduct if it's actually useful or not, to get a broader perspective on the whole claim. Lets agree to disagree on this particular email!

catladies

Yes i would but not based on this email. I'm only looking at this specific mail. I think it's valuable to look at all the pieces to try and get a broader perspective for the claim of pedo-ring in government. Remember i think this is plausible (Belgium case, UK case and now my country, Norway case.) Lets agree to disagree on this particular email.

Blacksmith21

The only time I discuss "one slice of pizza" is when my spouse asks me if I want one or two while they are at Costco. (which has excellent pizza BTW)

pontagon

but the second email posted clarifies that...

Blacksmith21

No it does not. It sounds like a load of disinformation shit to me. You obviouly are not acquainted with what STRATFOR does for a living. It isn't database marketing. Nor is it fundraising. No bonus for you.

pontagon

it was sent the same day, not long after, clarifying a weird internal email.

if that email just got leaked now, yeah that's suspicious - but it's wasn't and we need to stay rational here, this is a very small part of the overall case anyway.

I'm also quite clued up on Stratfor, and this is still my opinion regarding this email chain. Also the patronizing language you are using just makes you look bad.

catladies

Dis-information? Can you clarify?

Blacksmith21

I read that email a couple months ago.

oresd

This is weird:

"> Who all is in the Austin office today who is going to want pizza? We

only have one slice and we need to know how thinly to slice it..."

One slice? WTF?

catladies

Please read the other email i linked........

anon103738

I posted this earlier but I believe that stratfor set up and created campaign websites which they called "pizza" versions of their site, which denotes that it's the exclusive version of their website. The "pizza party" from the emails looks like a project by stratfor to increase sales and traffic to their website and make sure it works. A long email thread shows that they were having issues with the website and needed to fix it, aka "pizza project". Here's my link:

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1485538

catladies

Yes, i agree. It's a odd. What i find most suspect is the international shipping. So it's most def not regular pizza. I found a mail with the words pizza box and something about moving it, found out that it's hardware, server something, still weird.

Anyhow, what about my question?

anon103738

If you could link that email about the pizza box moving I'd like to see, because I know there's one about "empty pizza boxes everywhere" that didn't seem like anything important. I did notice the international shipping option not only in an email but also on one of the mannnnny spreadsheets. Don't know.

As for you're question (are they all pedos? actual pizza events?) it's hard to tell at this point until more evidence arises. I think that the pedo thing could be right or wrong at this point, but what seems certain is that there's something to uncover based on all the weird lingo and other stuff and how the media is reacting. I think we need to keep digging even if it's into things that don't seem to be related, but in the end could turn out to be something big. Follow the money. Because I'm certain not everything is in the emails, and if they have private servers and websites you can be damn sure that's where most of their communications are taking place.

catladies

Title Here Also found a list money statistics, and the description for what you get is a "unbiased geopolitical perspective" does not look like typical cp site i assume... but could be front ofc Title Here

I think it was this. Pizza box is some kind of hardware.

YES the media launching it's fake news and defending small time pizza place is mega suspicious. Also all the art, the bands, the Instagram all of this is good circumstantial evidence.Also the pizza. jpg file that may or may not be contain some kind of stenography.

Edit: Notes for pizza project It really looks like it's a web based signup for books written on different geopolitical cases. see graph of sales attached in mail.

anon103738

Yeah that answers the 'pizza test' thread, which was just basically to see if their new strategies were having positive or negative effects on their money coming in.

And it makes sense the the "pizza box" would be either the server itself or some hardware related to it.

But that's the thing, it's all circumstantial =^/ until hard evidence is presented all we can do is keep searching and hold all accusations.

I think they are really putting out publications for their readers, alot of the Podesta emails include stories that various writers and editors are working on. But one thing I noticed is 'pizza' is used an awful lot as a metaphor or seemingly innocuously. Like "cheaper than buying a six-pack and a pizza" or something to that effect. It could be like advertising for those that really know what goes on in these "pizza" webpages. Not certain.

Rydal

Somewhat depressing - means the emails have been out for fucking years and no authority has touched it, right?

catladies

Depressing? You guys did not understand my post? I'm trying to clarify why this email is regarded as evidence for anything? I mean this does not look like code to me. I'm trying to understand.

Rydal

It's definitely code.

catladies

No it's not, that's jumping to conclusions and it's actually harmful to the investigation. What about it seems like code to you? The thing that stood out for me is that is seemed like code when not put in context "one slice of pizza" that's suspicious, but when clarified that it's actually one slice pr person, and it's going out to about 100 people it seems unlikely is my take on it.

oresd

Question is, is it the same code that podesta was using. We need to be open minded that pizza means something else, however unlikely it seems at this point.

Rydal

Have you ever bought weed and called it Pizza?

pontagon

yeh this has been posted a lot, mainly a couple of weeks ago - still pretty good evidence to suggest its definitely some kind of code

catladies

Why? if it's reference to actual pizza (food) why is this good evidence for code?

pontagon

edit: I done fucked up, pls ignore - evidence has changed my rather strong opinion on this, thanks OP.

please read the 2nd email people.

catladies

"There's apparently been some confusion: we're not reserving slices here. Everybody gets one slice, according to their needs, just as the glorious tenets of Marxism would tell us." As i linked in the latter email. ALSO: "Number of employees 100 (2015)[1]" (wikipedia) do you think startfor would send a mail to all of it's employers about possible pizza (CP) This to me seems like a mail about actual pizza(food) My point being that we need to have some standards for what we see as evidence of offence...

pontagon

my apologies - I fucked up here, and thought you were just dismissing the original mail (which has been reposted here countless times).

I hadn't actually read your post in full, and I jumped to conclusions. I don't often do this, I should be asleep right now. The second email really does pull apart any claims of that email being weird; and my opinion on the original email has changed as necessary.

Thanks for being patient, and for shining some light on this, I feel stupid for this. Apologies.

catladies

Awesome. I just wanted some clarification on this issue. the only narrative I'm pushing is being fair when deducting what we consider as evidence of code. Context is important, and this is maybe the most important aspect of defining what we read as code. I should also go to sleep.

pontagon

no, totally - you played this correctly, I had already made up my opinion on that email, and I think I jumped to make a comment without finishing your post - again it just shows how we can form emotional reactions to some of this stuff easily, or atleast I have. I think everyone here should be willing to change their assumption thus far when presented with credible info to the contrary.

catladies

thanks, I'm not doing this to be a pain, we MUST sort real info from possible innocent communication.