ZalesMcMuffin

IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF what Titus says is correct (and I'm hardly convinced by "ZOMGGUISE SUPER SEEKRIT STUFF ONLY I KNOZE ABOUT WTF WTF"), I propose a new hypothesis: Welch took a careful shot aimed to hit the HDD enclosure but miss the platters inside it. That would render the drive evidence while leaving the data recoverable.

Yes, this is really speculative. But it does seem at least possible, provided that I'm wrong about the bullet entry hole shape (it looks elongated to me).

I still lean entirely toward Welch being a total fake put up by the bad guys, as that is the simplest explanation I can see here. But it's not the only possibility. His use of the word "intel" is a little bit intriguing, as is the word "dwelling" (instead of business or shop or building or w/e).

What did he think when he discovered there were no children at the pizzeria?

“The intel on this wasn’t 100 percent,” he said. However, he refused to dismiss outright the claims in the online articles, conceding only that there were no children “inside that dwelling.”

I have never heard CPP referred to as a "dwelling" except there.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/07/us/edgar-welch-comet-pizza-fake-news.html?_r=0

http://archive.is/http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/07/us/edgar-welch-comet-pizza-fake-news.html?_r=0

HomeboyChrisBanned

No. Likeliest explanation would be that there was child porn being served on their website and this guy was either a user or in on it. That would explain why he went in to destroy (or provide a ruse so somebody else could destroy) evidence

HomeboyChrisBanned

I bet the shills dont want you talking about this. Cuz that magic bullet is the easiest way to explain that something isnt right here.

ravensedgesom

I shoot guns that does not look like the hole or markings of the computer being hit with bullet. Can anyone comment on that who knows ballistics?

ThorTheWonderful

Why?... If he lied about everything else why do you think, his goal is to destroy America and the west! To make all black, Asians, Indians etc. and white people into slaves to Arabic Islam. They will allow the Jews but the tax they have to pay is to help them conquer the world.

FR33D0M

Under-appreciated comment!

ThorTheWonderful

Here is a 6 minute take on it https://youtu.be/5z8EH3C6_-8

By the way, I always knew he wasn't black at all. I just couldn't put my finger on it.

ThorTheWonderful

I can't remember the details but somebody notice on his mom passport app from when he was 7 she wrote in parenthesis, the surname, (Subarka) who is an Islamic leader.. Or was.. in Indonesia, when you look at him, he is IDENTICAL to Obama!

ThorTheWonderful

Yup, just like Obama's birth records. lie lie and lie some more, by the time we found out the truth his 8 years have gone by, and now we know he wasn't born in the US, he isn't even mulatto, and we found his real father in Indonesia. The evidence is so diluted we can't or don't have anybody in DOJ to prosecute.

cdglow

It makes zero sense that they would need to stage an elaborate shooting in order to destroy a computer when they're not under investigation or any court order.

If they wanted to hide something on that computer, staging a shooting would be counterproductive because then it actually might become evidence and get seized for the shooters trial.

ThorTheWonderful

Oh I am not forgeting.. "no shots fired" "shot fired into floor" and now "shot through door without making a mark and turned on a dime to go strait down through top of computer likely hitting HDD" What a bunch of fucking liars!! The more they lie the more they prove they are guilty!!

Dir7y

It's like they think the data is held somewhere outside the hard drive... Better contact Hillary for a special deal on acid washing

a11en

So- let me get this straight- the door has a keypad lock system, no handle, and the gunman shot into the room, happened to hit the computer straight down from the top?

Hmmmmmmm......

atheist4thecause

Seriously, this tag needs to be removed. The relevance here is clear. If the gunman was a government agent of some sort, maybe the "false flag" narrative is actually going to easy on the government. The goal may have actually been to destroy evidence.

EDIT: One thing I don't understand is why someone would fire into a closet if he was there to save children. What if the children were in that closet? Firing wildly makes no sense. Then again, if the gunman was some crazy guy maybe he wasn't thinking rationally.

NotAnIdiot

Why the fuck is the computer in a closet?

atheist4thecause

That's very normal. I've worked at food places and the manager always has some sort of office to go into.

NotAnIdiot

I work at a restaurant too. The computer is in an actual office, not a random closet. It's pretty weird.

Precipitate

They originally said he fired into the floor and people across the street heard no gunfire.

reasonedandinformed

No shots were fired became shots in the floor became shot the door became bullet went through computer.

lazertits

its twisted, its opposite day as usual for fake media

Melitica

Distraction and sliding. How many more times can we hear about Megyn "whore" Kelly?

ravensedgesom

Did you realize how quickly they shifted the narrative to someone who is just a bystander of "fake news conspiracy theories" Also seemingly reinforcing that the claims and investigation by citizen journalist is baseless and from evidence of a innocuous origin.

FR33D0M

An explanation for anyone new to these terms.

COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum.. There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each technique and demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can be used to eventually and effectively gain a control of a 'uncontrolled forum.'

Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING' If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.' Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum slide.' The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum slide' and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositioned postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.

HomeboyChrisBanned

How is this magic bullet not relevant? Its basically a smoking gun. At least in the eyes of public perception it is. Forum sliding is what they did on here to my post the night of, focusing on the MAGIC BULLET. When they ran multiple bullshit megyn kelly post and voted em up and filled em full of garbage bs so mine didnt get seen

ThorTheWonderful

LOL I like that "MAGIC BULLET", it would have to be to get through two layers of 16 or 18 gauge galvanize door skin and whatever is inside a secure door, likely wood, and at an angle to head towards the computer 4' in and 4' to the left of the door about 20" off the ground at the top putting the bullet at a very slight angle to the top of the steel computer tower also with 18 gauge metal, and make a hole that looks like it went strait down.

Yup, sounds like a magic bullet to me too!

dustyr

RIGHT!!!!! They're still assuming everybody is a fool. The "in-your-face approach. We need to be getting in their faces somehow. An Anonymous TV hack with the whole story, all MSM channels, at newstime? Any Anons to take this on?

wh0care

there is (at least) another sub already on this...

quantokitty

The whole thing makes no sense, but Welch did say the intel was wrong. What intel was he speaking about? What he'd find in the coat closet? Maybe he was trying to get at the computer, but why would the coat closet be locked? Don't people need to get their coats? And when do they lock it? After all the employees arrive and then it stays locked until somebody needs to go on a break? Then they go out and then it's locked again? You see? Nothing makes sense!!!!

TheHolyMoly

Welch rhymes with squelch, the sound when you believe in a bullet.

ThorTheWonderful

That bullet hole is at a strait right angle to the top of that case, he had to hold the gun high, point strait down and fire. And I guaranty it passed through the case, the DVD drive and nailed the HDD. There are only 3 layers of low grade sheet metal to go through to hit the HDD.

ZalesMcMuffin

It looks like an elongated hole to me. If so, the bullet couldn't have hit the HDD. It would have to be a shallow entry angle to have hit the computer from outside of the room.

If I'm wrong about that and it is indeed a straight-through shot from directly above then that 100% means that whomever fired the shot was shooting the computer, and only the computer, on purpose. That raises the computer to a VERY important piece of evidence and both Welch and Alefantis must be questioned thoroughly about it.

quantokitty

Why do you think he would do that? What would be the point? He said he had intel, so what intel would prompt him to shoot that way?

ThorTheWonderful

He was an actor, still is, watch, the charges will be dismissed or they will 'mispell' his name or something so he wont have a criminal record. Point of Mr ping the pong opened the door, pulled the computer out so fake gunman could take his hand gun, point strait down at the computer and plug one into it to destroy the hard drive and make recovery of child porn on the hard drive impossible to find.

quantokitty

Something had to be on there.

ThorTheWonderful

Yup, thats why they sent in an actor with a real gun and, um, targeted the computer...

We really have to put a stop to these people. There is no two ways about it.

quantokitty

Absolutely. There are some fabulous investigators on this site so I'm hoping one of them hits pay dirt. They're all around it. There's just got to be that one thing.

dindonufin

It was staged, the only logic behind it is for them to get media sympathy and possibly destroy evidence.

The hard drive is the only part of the computer that matters. It was probably running a onion service.

quantokitty

No doubt.

VieBleu

the dictionary is your friend - look up "hubris"

VieBleu

I think this is interesting, but I didn't catch the "destroy" word being used. I heard "here are our bags in the closet, the boy went into our computer system" which is irony considering the closeted pedos and satanists allegedly involved. Anyway, where did you hear the specific thing about destroying the computer?

reasonedandinformed

Indirectly. The bullet hit the computer. The computer had to be replaced. That allowed them to take the computer, the evidence, out of the facility without it ever being looked at by anyone. Ever hear of bleachbit?

Prepper_Jack

Well, they could have used any number of programs to destroy data. Doesn't have to be taken out of the office to do that sort of thing. Basically just fills a disk drive with all 1s and all 0s numerous times until it's guaranteed that even the best forensics can't determine what was on it. The program can fit on a thumb drive or CD/DVD quite easily.

If they orchestrated that to take the computer out of the office, then it was either an investigation designed to be low-key, and Alefantis was playing along for immunity or something, or there was some seriously important data there they wanted to save - but not transmit over insecure lines.

Hell, Alefantis may be FBI himself, just running the appearance of being a pedo to entrap these people. J. Edgar Hoover basically made a business in the FBI by spying on officials and blackmailing them with their homosexual and pedophilia behaviors. That's how he stayed as director of it for so long as well. That would be a weird turn if Alefantis was FBIAnon...

reasonedandinformed

You have lots of good and interesting thoughts. I personally think the idea in paragraph two about saving the data is a good explanation. We are just guessing on this, but I am close to certainty that CPP is a transactional location for their disgusting deeds.

ravensedgesom

yeah you can wipe a hard drive but clearly the were in a haste to save the whatever information is on it hence the sloppy and easily discernible false flag.

reasonedandinformed

They are sick criminals. No one ever said that they were smart. They are running scared.

Bring_Down_CF

The computer was already a private item on private property and they weren't under criminal investigation. They could have taken it out of the restaurant whenever they wanted. Why risk it becoming a piece of evidence? Or the police risk getting caught tampering with evidence? That doesn't make sense at all.

reasonedandinformed

Now they have a reason that it is fully disposed of if ever pursued. The false flag op made sense to you somehow?

VieBleu

** : )**

ThorTheWonderful

I'm sure the bullet went right through the hard drive too. More proof this was a staged event!!

TheHolyMoly

Or there was no gun shot, Christ, I thought you had sense Thor.

ThorTheWonderful

They show a picture of the computer, the guy went in there with a gun, they claimed he shot it, now they say the bullet went through the closet door and took a hard turn strait down through the top of the computer.

reasonedandinformed

A needed cover story to destroy the smoking-gun evidence on the computer that CPP is the transnational center point for their crimes.

TheHolyMoly

Nah they aren't that smart. clicks fingers

SlackeryTurnBull

What a goddamn joke.

arrggg

Yeah, stupid interview clearly focused on showing the world the computer had been destroyed. The only problem is it did not look like the bullet hit the hard drive, since it went through the top of a shitty Dell tower it probably would only have hit the power supply. If you could get a screen shot from a HD stream and read the model # off the front it wouldn't be hard to figure out.

edit: https://i.sli.mg/F9wAhn.jpg Front was removed, no model #, That bullet hole shows it only hit the dvd player, and you can see the hard drive through the open front slot.

ThorTheWonderful

Oh I am sure it went through the DVD drive and hit the Hard drive. Actually, even if the computer was sitting on the floor, you would have to be right over top of it with a rifle to make such a clean strait hole like that. So they say he shot into a closet, I don't think so! That is deliberate!

ZalesMcMuffin

"Oh I am sure it went through the DVD drive and hit the Hard drive."

What is the basis of your certainty?

LadyMinx

You mean like an "assault rifle"?!! ???? Amazing how the bullet hit the tower but there wasn't a mark/dent in the door. There's no possible way for the angle that was shown. PEOPLE.

ThorTheWonderful

I wish people would stop calling rifles "assault rifles" its just a fucking rifle! But thats right there is no way that bullet went through a door and then made a turn strait through the top of the computer.

LadyMinx

No kidding. Basic geometry. But maybe that's like "common sense"... not so common.

ThorTheWonderful

Yup..lol I want bullets that can go through doors without making any marks and can turn on a dime to go strait through the top of a computer tower like that..

arrggg

You obviously did not look at the video or picture.

TheHolyMoly

There is no bullet. It's all a movie set. They are actors. You are an actor. I am an actor.

anonymousgate

You would expect so, but this investigation has proved that they're stupid enough to post pictures about it on instagram. Even if it wasn't totally full of CP, I'm sure there was a questionable picture or two on there that could have peaked a formal investigator's interest.

hanknut42

https://www.reddit.com/user/Orangutan we got us a shill boys!!!!!!

anonymousgate

lmao I guess someone liked my post.

hanknut42

nah your just playing the overly navie skeptic eh

hanknut42

yah he worked with Alfantis on a movie he was a gunman in the movie he was in produced by Jimmycomet aka James Alefantis

AreWeSure

No he did not. Stop lying.

hanknut42

IS your name Seth rich cuz he worked for the DNC TOO before you guys took him out for whistle blowing

anonymousgate

That's just not true. Alefantis isn't listed as producer or anything else that the shooter has worked on.

hanknut42

yes it is if youve been around any amount of time youve know its been estiashhed. His name was Seth Rich and he died whistle blowing on the cabal loving pedos

Fateswebb

Source?

ZalesMcMuffin

But where is the info about Alefantis being connected to Welch?

nomorepepperoni

Doesn't truly matter, UNLESS it also just so happened to destroy the hard drive beyond forensic recovery.

And if that turns out to be the story, I'll be quite tempted to call shenanigans.

TheHolyMoly

It didn't destroy anything, the police, the churches, the temples, the politicians and the media are colluding together like a group of psychopathic serial killers, blaming the victims. It's like one big abusive relationship, the people and the government.

ThorTheWonderful

Looking at that hole, the gun had to be point strait at the thing, in other words, very deliberate and I am sure the bullet went through the DVD and hit the HDD.

ZalesMcMuffin

No. The hole was in the middle of the top of the tower case, above the very back part of the top drive. That top drive appears to be a DVD or CD. The HDD would have been directly below that, though not immediately below (a gap between them). The hole was elongated, evidencing a shallow trajectory by the bullet. That means it could not have hit the HDD, and instead hit the power supply or just exited through the back of the case below the PS.

Watch the video and pause it to get a look at the bullet hole and the computer.

ThorTheWonderful

If the bullet was at a shallow trajectory it would have made scaring marks, and it does not look elongated to me, it is also just under 5 inches from the front. I have tried to replicate it already, I shot 5 towers at 5 different angles without going through a door and still can't replicate that hole without shooting strait down. If you consider all the other factors, angle at door, the computer is about 4 feet in and 4 feet to the left of the doorway sitting on a lower shelf of a desk about 6 inches off the ground, if it is a standard 15" case, it puts the top about 20-21 inches off the ground.

I also did 4 additional non accurate tests, in these tests I specifically targeted the same general area at the top of the towers, 2 with side panels on and 2 off all at 20 degree offset from the left angle about 8 feet away and set up assuming an 8 foot tall man(the angles it took to make holes at a low trajectory without chaffing marks). The towers without a side panel twisted and the top caved in on one, the ones the top did not cave in formed a large hump on the top towards the rear and all them the shot hit the tail end of the optical drive and caused the drive to shift and distort the drive face. Now that was all without the bullets going through a metal clad door at a bad angle through 2 layers of hard galvanized 18 gauge sheet metal within which is wood framing and card board or styro insulation. If not solid wood as secure doors sometimes are.

I would need more computer towers to do more tests. It would be nice to be to go there personally and examine the scene so I can build a replica of the entire set.

ZalesMcMuffin

Wait... you actually shot computers to check this out? Pix or it didn't happen.

ThorTheWonderful

Bullets are cheap, old towers are free, and I'm not much a photo kinda guy. Last I took a picture was right before I ran out of 35mm film for my GAF. But I suppose I could take a couple of pics of the towers tomorrow.

I did this for my own curiosity, but I am sure I am not the only person doing this, thats why I wasn't very concerned about me not taking pics. If I went through the trouble of setting up a door, I do actually have one, I would most likely get a friend to bring his camera over and do some vids.

ZalesMcMuffin

Yeah, this being the digital age, it basically just costs electrons to document stuff now, and those are reeeally cheap.

I'm also interested in a good quality screen shot of the alleged CPP PC bullet hole. If you spot one, let's look at it. I'll post it if I find one.

ThorTheWonderful

I'm still working on coming up to speed on the digital age..lol I'm old, what can I say.

I haven't seen such a low quality video as that either in a long time.

Funny how they can have everything at such high quality except for bigfoot, ufo's and Comet ping pong bullet holes!

ZalesMcMuffin

Was the video that was broadcast a low quality one? I was assuming the low quality was due to the YouTube upload being meh.

TheHolyMoly

There is only one solution. https://i.imgsafe.org/4ce1673fb7.png

Taking over the world.

anonymousgate

I doubt they will even go as far as investigating what's on the computer, unless an undeniable link is made between Alefantis and full blown CP. I'm sure anything that was on there was wiped clean. The bullet was just for dramatic effect, lol.

LadyMinx

"Wiped clean"

"Like with a cloth?"

Hillary thinks we are 'that dumb.

nomorepepperoni

Sadly, you're probably right.

Dressage2

Well better excuse than a hammer when the FBI goes after any viable evidence.