wecanhelp

Removing under rule 4 as it is a concern post. Try discussing this on /v/pizzagatewhatever . Thank you.

happyme73db

Good ideas, we have to think outside the box now to fight them....

happyme73db

good suggestion, reality calls is starting an effort in this direction also.

Guy_with_the_face

Historically speaking, protesting works. Look at what happened in Crimea. When enough people come together for 1 cause, nothing can stop them.

happyme73db

Yes we have to think of some new methods also.... it is a new age and we can make new types of strategies....

happyme73db

I agree this seems to be a successful approach, however look at the Dakota Pipeline, they were arrested and abused. Maybe this would be worth it though.

Guy_with_the_face

It would get past the communication problem, look at occupy wall street before it was infiltrated and put to an end. Except this time there is a lot more moral weight to push this time than financial corruption. The people that were in attendance came together daily to discuss action plans and strategies on dealing with the enemy. The thing is, is there are more followers than leaders in our world, we only need enough people leading the way before we start getting a following. If people are out on the streets raising awareness, that will get the ball rolling. Next thing you know the media's attempts to misdirect people will be working against them and bringing more attention on the issue.

happyme73db

Yes good thinking, we have to try some new methods as well....

lamGod

We need to approach this spiritually, legally and physically.

We can have a people's police formed to guard ports of trafficking. We can sue a number of institutions for misconduct. We can sue the government. We can sue the CIA for conducting experiments on the human populace without consent. We can order an investigation into the DC police because of connections with criminal enterprises.

We can form a group of army/military personal who are on our side. We can inform army/military personal of what is going on and urge them to uphold their oaths.

The long game would be if civil war broke out, people will be rounded up in FEMA.

We don't want that to happen. We must be caring and generous towards our fellow man now more than ever.

Everyone must contact their local politicians and police. They have legal obligations to respond to the public. If they aren't fulfilling the public will, they deserve to be overwhelmed with evidence.

You run government, let's make this extremely clear to everyone. The government should be afraid of the people, not the other way around.

Contact all local sheriffs for potential citizens arrests.

Become members of the press, gain press passes and BE EVERYWHERE THEY ARE. Be like a ghost and haunt them.

Organise a Grand Jury, with all compiled evidence.

Have everyone pray together when they are doing dark works. Organise a spiritual calendar so we can pray together.

happyme73db

Agreed the problem is they have tentacles everywhere now and they just kill you if you get too close.... we have to think of some new ways to fight...

happyme73db

I tried to start an energy focus at sunset each day but it got a lot of down votes but I agree this is a spiritual battle as well as physical.

TheGodHead

I will do it with you.

happyme73db

I am doing an energy focus every night at sunset.... trying to send healing and protection if you want to connect together mentally....

TheGodHead

Of course. I would be honoured.

happyme73db

Let's do it, I will repost a time and place for the spiritual push back against theses monsters, last time I got downvoted a lot but oh well....we keep fighting... see you at sunset...

GermanynamreG

We need to know exactly how the network operates and who does what exactly, build an activist network and investigate in the field to get proof by photos for example. This would be risky ofc.

happyme73db

Yes and others have died trying.... we have to think of something totally new....

happyme73db

They seem to know when somebody starts snooping, that is when they become a target, good suggestion if you can figure out that little snag.

JewPizza

Investigative journalist Max spiers killed while investigating paedophile rings.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/722037/Max-Spiers-investigated-US-military-paedophile-ring-Presido-suspicious-death

http://www.inquisitr.com/3606181/ufo-expert-max-spiers-dies-after-vomiting-black-liquid-sending-warning-text-to-mom-warning-of-impending-death-video/

His girlfriend said it was " Satanists" which are Jews.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/722291/Shock-Max-Spiers-UFO-satanists-rid-demons-death-conspiracist-Sarah-Adams/amp

" First of all you must understand that there are people here that would rather suppress this information and will try to discredit this post, however please note that nobody will be able to disprove the sourced facts I've presented.

It's not a coincidence that Epstein and his network is Jewish. It's not a coincidence that practically all the paedophile rings and Satanic cults that get busted are primarily comprised of Jews. Judaism permits paedophilia. It's no different than Islam in that sense, and Islam is actually based upon the five books of Moses. Islam is derived from the name Ishmael who was the son of Abraham. The conflict between Jews and Muslims is territorial, not ideological. The point I'm making is that Judaism is like Islam in the sense that paedophilia is part of the religion.

Pizzagate is Jewish Khaballism. Kahalballism is Satanism which is a wing of Judaism. Anybody that says Judaism and Satanism is unrelated is a flat out liar. Anybody that says Satanism has nothing to do with pizzagate is once again simply a liar. If you want to bust the Italian mafia you must investigate the Italian community. If you wish to investigate radical Islam you must investigate the Islamic community. If you want you investigate Satanic occultism you must investigate Judaism and the Jewish community. Political correctness has no place in an investigation.

The Finders Cult

Pizzagate is nothing new. There was a Satanic cult of Jews that was busted in Florida during the 80s for kidnapping children. The police even raided a warehouse where they found pictures of children engaging in Satanic rituals. Here's some information I've compiled on them. Like I said, Pizzagate is nothing new.

https://voat.co/v/Amalek101/1232436

I've identified the first Satanic band in America and more importantly who's behind them. The lead singer in Coven comes from an elite politically active family and she admits this herself and even names who they are.

Here's the first Satanic band called Coven.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coven_(band)

They're also the band that started using the devil horn hand gesture.

http://sli.mg/senxlZ

Well guess what, their producer Bill Traut was Jewish, as were at least two of the band members.

Bill Traut Jewishhttp://wikivisually.com/lang-de/wiki/Bill_Traut

Guess what else? He wrote songs for them including a 13 min black mass.

"The album concluded with a 13-minute track of chanting and Satanic prayers called "Satanic Mass" (written by their producer, Bill Traut, of Dunwich Productions, and described as "the first Black Mass to be recorded, either in written words or in audio")."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coven_(band)

So now I've just proven that Jews started the Satanic music scene, which isn't surprising considering the fact that Satanic occultists are primarily Jews.

I'm still going to do more research into all this, but I already know what's up. Jews are Satanists. Jews worship the devil. The Torah Jews are the common Jews which listen to the Rabbis that study the Talmud (Rabbinical Judaism) and the top Rabbis are selected to study Khaballism, which is Satanism.

The Torah Jews are puppets to the Talmudists who are puppets to the Khaballists. Jews are Satanic.

I'm not religious, but look what Jesus said, who was a Jew btw.

" You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."

http://biblehub.com/john/8-44.htm

Ignoring all this religious stuff, the fact still remains that Jews invented Satanic music and the majority of Satanists are Jews.

Now here's a lead for you guys to investigate. The singer of Coven Jinx Dawson gave an interview where she admits her family is involved in the occult and politics and even names them.

http://popcultureaddict.com/interviews/jinxdawson/

She ultimately says that her Grandfather was a Free Mason and it's common knowledge that Free Masonry is a front for Judaism. I can show you statements made by both Rabbis and Masons where they admit that Free Masonry is based upon Judaism.

Let's take a look at their lyrics now. What they're describing is Jewish blood libel. Jews have been accused and found guilty of doing these things all throughout history. Don't forget these lyrics are written by a Jew.

Jewish Blood Libelhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel

" Infants' flesh they did offer For the prince to devour. Covens join, all combine, Powers strong, thoughts align. "

" The cheif of the circle, Known as Malchius drank the blood of a young baby Offered unto him. "

Malchus is a servant to a Jewish high priest.

http://genius.com/albums/Coven/Witchcraft-destroys-minds-reaps-souls

" In the book of Gideon I have read That the hoarde of evil is not dead In this place where Satan is said to dwell He leads his legions through the depths of Hell"

Gideon was the son of Joash, leader of the Israelites, he won a decisive victory over a Midianite army despite a vast numerical disadvantage, leading a troop of 300 'valiant' men.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gideon

" Beelzebub, the prince, is second in line Astaroth, the duke, is drunk with wine Lucifer, the prime minister, handles affairs General Satanachia firmly stares"

All those demons are from the Hebrew bible.

This whole song describes Jewish Satanism. Remember, this was written by a Jew.

http://genius.com/Coven-satanic-mass-lyrics

Judaism is Satanism. It's not a coincidence that all the primary elites busted in paedophile rings are Jews. Epstein has a sacrificial alter on his private paedophile Island.

Anybody claiming that Judaism and Satanism are unrelated is a shill looking out for Jewish interest.

Judaism is Satanism. "

happyme73db

investigating this is dangerous for sure.... we must be careful....

happyme73db

Agreed this is how they have silenced everyone so far and people are in real danger if they start trying to do something to stop this....we have to think outside the box this time. Something totally new is needed.

carmencita

Stop this vitriol. Some Satanists are Jews. But all Jews are not Satanists. Just like there are Satanists in every race and religion. I am German and am not a Nazi because not all Germans are Nazis. I have quite a few Jewish friends and live in a neighborhood with many Jews. Our neighborhood org. has many Jews. I am sure they are not Satanists. Stop spreading these lies. When presenting your postings please word them in such a way that they are not so accusatory. Thank you.

TheGodHead

We need the Jews on our side, just like we need every good human.

carmencita

I totally agree:)

happyme73db

We need suggestions on how to fight without endangering our own families.... any good idea?

NotAnIdiot

I agree. I think we're going at this from the wrong angle. It's not about finding connections anymore.

In my opinion we need to look at who is likely trafficking kids right now and how to catch them red handed. I think it's safe to say the people at the top are still doing this but they likely dumped some of the weak links that we found info on. We likely aren't going to get to actual proof doing the same things we've been doing.

happyme73db

True but it is so risky most cannot get close enough..... we must think outside the box now....

happyme73db

We have a lot of connections now, I think we are certain they are a pedo ring and are being protected so now what? Any new ideas?

NotAnIdiot

First of all, I think we need to stop simply looking for connections. All that is circumstantial, and we have way too many connections to investigate them thoroughly as it is. We need to start looking for proof. Now, as for where to start, I'd say look where the establishment is getting most defensive, or where they're going out of their way to distort the truth or cover up the story. The media is complicit in this, and I'd say our best bet to find something interesting is where they're trying hardest to keep the real information from reaching the public. Also, I think we need to be looking hardest for who is doing this now, instead of who was helping in 2008. I think it's safe to say the people highest up have cut ties with a lot of the loosest ends. As for specifics, I won't give them, as this is a perfect lead in to my next point.

Stop posting every single lead on the internet. That only lets them see it, and cover up appropriately. Share leads with trusted people, but don't let everyone see them. Only post actual proof, or things that cannot be covered up.

happyme73db

Yes time for ideas on how to take them down... we need something new this time...

NotAnIdiot

We need to condense the leads we have into the best couple. There is too much stuff to investigate it all. We need to focus on the stuff that's actionable.

I also think we need to entertain the idea that CTR was not mainly a vehicle for the Clinton campaign,and that spreading disinfo about this stuff was actually the main goal all along. This whole thing starts to make more sense through that lens.

happyme73db

Ditto... what do you think is the most effective approach? Keeping in mind they bump you off if they get the chance... you don't want to endanger your own kids.

NotAnIdiot

I don't know. But I will say I think posting every lead anyone gets for anyone to see on the internet is a mistake. There's a reason the cops don't tell everyone what they found or what they're investigating. These people won't just leave stuff around if we telegraph that we're looking into it.

happyme73db

True just more ammo for the fake news shills if we over do things.... we have to work on a solution now...

notoriousfox

It would be nice if we had an easy way to communicate privately with each other. I agree it's time to do more than talk about connections

NotAnIdiot

It's time for some people to get off the internet and start investigating in real life too.

I'm not advocating for breaking laws, just going places and observing, and asking questions in person.

There are ways to communicate privately with each other relatively easily, the problem I've found is it's hard to grow a network of people that you can talk about this stuff with safely and securely. You almost have to know the people in real life first.

notoriousfox

If I was rich I'd hire a private investigator. Being in Canada I feel pretty powerless.

Yeah, it's nearly impossible to have a way to communicate with each other that isn't vulnerable. Post history helps to determine motivations but isn't foolproof

NotAnIdiot

If I was rich I'd hire a private investigator

Me too. Sigh.

Being in Canada I feel pretty powerless.

I'm in the US, but not near any of this.

Yeah, it's nearly impossible to have a way to communicate with each other that isn't vulnerable. Post history helps to determine motivations but isn't foolproof

Exactly. There could be shills blending in pretty well in addition to the obvious ones. It's hard to tell how fat they'll go to blend in.

pinklb_q

If you're really looking into getting your hands dirty you're going to have to (risk your kids) or (not get your hands dirty). just in my opinion

happyme73db

You are right but maybe there is another way....now that we have the internet and anonymity.... it is a new world with new weapons....

pinklb_q

A combination of blackmail and vicious attacks. To do it, we need better information and people closer to them. So no, we are not done.

happyme73db

We have to just keep trying and thinking of new ways to deal with them...

happyme73db

Good suggestion... how do we do it without endangering our own families?

pinklb_q

That's the thing though, isn't it?

The dirty work has to be done, but finding people willing to do it is hard.

I have no easy answers, besides the fact that the people who are already in a position to help us (but aren't) are the ones we have to convince. Everybody has something they are willing to lose to protect something else.

Beyond that, though, someone else will have to figure a game plan.

happyme73db

You are right but maybe there is a safer way this time... we have the internet and a worldwide connection.... we have to think outside the box....

carmencita

There must be some people on here that do not have families or not connected to anyone. Loners maybe or no brothers and sisters, maybe their parents have passed away and no aunts and uncles. I know a couple of people like that, but they are not going to believe this stuff. Already talked to them. They think I am nuts. If you are such a person maybe you can help by calling your local sheriff. What do you people think of this? Just trying to help.

Don-Keyhote

I am such a person, and mobile.

Hard proof requires surveillance, but of which locations

carmencita

I am not going to demand or push you. This is a hard and difficult decision. If you decide to do it, you must keep it to yourself for we are being monitored, that is for sure.

pinklb_q

You're forgetting the most important factor though. Anyone willing to do this will only do so if there is something to gain from it. People without families, loved ones, etc, are out for themselves and they still value their own life.

It's complicated but yeah

carmencita

I don't think everyone that is sans family is out for themselves. There are some good ones out there. They need to come forward and help the kids. I am not saying they have to do it, but if they feel the calling then we would be grateful.