Thought experiment: The bots/shills talking about jews are succeeding in having Pizzagate gloss over the ties to judaism ( pizzagate )

submitted by TAThatBoomerang

What if the shills spamming the subverse with ties between satanism and judaism are not primarily doing it to discredit the movement, but rather to have the Pizzagate movement autonomously repel any users attempting to post connections between this whole ordeal and that certain group of people?

You're acting exactly how they want you to act. Afraid of being discredited / being labeled as Nazis, so you take a stand against all mentions of judaism.

Let's think of what would happen if they wouldn't do this. Pizzagate would presumably eventually realize that the ties the Pizzagate ordeal has to Zionists is very strong. A large and very active movement would recessive a harsh welcome to reality, and start opposing judaism. But by shouting and screaming extremely loud, they've got Pizzagate all scared of being.. well, what I said in the beginning.

GermanynamreG

There are influentual jewish cults that can be labeled satanic, just like the Jesuits in Christianity, and the Tibetian Bhuddism. Assembling this to Pizzagate makes no sense to me. People who want to research this should create v/jewgate or whatever and leave us alone.

nmtd1005

Anti semitism is not productive here. Although satanic zionists cloak themselves in the culture of Judaism behind closed doors in mixed company they claim they're atheists. When amongst their own all manner of hell is welcome. So choose your terms more carefully. Anti semitism is ignorant. Do your homework and stop using the term Jew when what you're referring to is something altogether different, albeit it's embedded in jewish culture. This epidemic is NOT the fault of good jewish people.

SecureYourSeats

There are no "ties" to Judaism. Some pedophiles are Jewish, by culture and some by religion most others are not. Stop the nonsense. Being Jewish does not make you a pedophile.

TAThatBoomerang

Being Jewish does not make you a pedophile.

Of course, everybody knows this. Being muslim does actually not make you a terrorist. But an overwhelming majority of terrorists are muslim, and I'm worried that a similar connection regarding Pizzagate is being ignored due to what I am describing.

UglyTruth

Being muslim does actually not make you a terrorist. But an overwhelming majority of terrorists are muslim.

Jihad and terrorism are mutually exclusive.

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Operation_Gladio/B

SecureYourSeats

It may be as simple as the wealthy liberal elite have a higher than normal rate of sexual deviation, and many of Jewish heritage happen to be wealthy and liberal. But there is not something in the Jewish genetics that makes them pedophiles. And it can't be religion because most Jews are atheists. So, stop with the Jewish thing. It puts a racial connection where none exists. Alefantis is Greek, Podesta is Italian, Hillary is English ...

TAThatBoomerang

It appears that I've done the same mistake I constantly tell others about, to not separate Jews from Zionists.

SecureYourSeats

I would object to stereotyping Zionists too. Just because Jews wish to return to the land of their heritage, develop a state and where they can hope to live in safety does not in any way make the pedophiles. What kind of a connection is that?

Shitseverewhere

Why does there seem to be so much push back from connecting this to Jews? I know a lot of Hollywood is owned by Jews and they definetly control the media. We know pedos are in Hollywood. And I just watched this video and it does seem related. https://youtu.be/s4JKKIUERZY

Millennial_Falcon

Why does there seem to be so much push back from connecting this to Jews?

"So much"? I think the level of pushback has been appropriate. Sensationalized anti-Semitic claims that try to make this all about Jews don't make any sense, because few of the main suspects connected to PG are Jewish. There really hasn't even been much pushback. The nonsense just gets downvoted and ignored, except in cases like today when bots were used to flood the sub with anti-Semitic nonsense in order to try to frame the sub as anti-Semitic. In that case, it gets deleted because it violates the rules of the sub.

Shitseverewhere

Huh I have been reading about this for weeks and have not seen anyone claiming this is all about the Jews.

thelastaelor

Religion is never the cause of an ideology, it is a symptom of it. Religious groups are not even a single entity. And since meaningful definitions must have causal powers, judaism, islam, christianity -- or any religion -- is an asinine distinction to make that not only fails to be descriptive, but is misleading and begs for bigotry to seep in.

You may also blame the preexisting, muddled, inflammatory terminology, if you don't tie 'Zionism' in with Judaism.

And this isn't really a thought experiment, by the way.

OtisFirefly

The alternative to this theory is that the bots are unnecessary as we have enough actual members working actively to discredit us with a singular focus on Jews.

TAThatBoomerang

I don't hang out at Pizzagate so I don't see what you're seeing, but I imagine that many of those who bring up the infamous jewish question are not doing so with the intention of discrediting Pizzagate.

OtisFirefly

In trying and failing to convince a few who seems to legitimately believes in this, I too am positive that they do not mean to hurt pizzagate. However, some of the worst crimes committed have been done with the best of intentions.

UglyTruth

The first step in unwrapping this is to recognize the distinction between Judaism as a religion and Zionism as a political movement. Likewise, historical Israel and the Zionist state of Israel are two different things.

Kawksnahch

I think the world assumes that Israel does whatever they want. And even then, not the general population that does it. So... it's not the "jews", it's the Zionists... and we're all very aware that these people are Zionists.

Nothing is getting glossed.

DarkMath

A pizza parlor in DC has strong ties to Jews returning to their homeland? Um yeah, that doesn't make any sense at all. ;-)