Can we discuss the suppression of memes? Has the sub been neutered? ( pizzagate )

submitted by belphegorsprime

This post by Spindle says it better than I could.

TL;DR: Raising awareness is vital. Memes are good at going viral. Weaponized memes can serve a vital role in gaining mindshare.

According to google, we are post peak.

Sometimes memes bring about discussion, and the current "policy" results in the deletion of discussion. Moreover, it results in memes being segregated to a "thread" that isn't obvious to find, and doesn't allow the full feature set of voat curation to take place.

Frankly, at some point a decision was made to treat memes as second class citizens, even though they have the most potential to go viral. I think this is an error.

I think at the very least, there should be clear rules posted about memes so that discussion is not lost. Memes should not be difficult to find. Perhaps we can have a link in the sidebar to magicmemes or a place dedicated to memes if they must be segregated.

If there was a discussion about the segregation of memes, I missed it. Can someone link me to it? It is a little jarring when discussion is happening and entire conversations were deleted.

Archive of post with discussion.

Investigate1999

I agree that the memes have their place. People react to memes very easily, and this can be used to expose hypocrisy.

We don't have to let in every meme, but we do need them.

belphegorsprime

I will absolutely continue working on memes. One thing that sucks is, submission voats don't count toward downvoating ability. There have been several obvious shill comments that I can't downvoat, meanwhile, I see people making valuable contributions being downvoated by shills. Memes will prevail.

Investigate1999

There are too many posts and comments to down vote. Don't worry about them. Finding the gem in the pile of manure, and then up voting is better.

belphegorsprime

Right on man.

belphegorsprime

Somehow I got 2 downvoats for this thread. Why is this being suppressed? This is legitimate discussion, and so far the only dissenting opinions seem to not address anything in my post, and make illogical arguments. If memes must be segregated, why can't the mods state so explicitly in the subs rules?

Foralltoosee

Internet memes don't spread ideas, they're just easy to share. If anything they hurt your cause. Post what you'd like friend, but seeing an image with some text place on it doesn't convince anyone of anything. And even if the Mem got them to look it up, as soon as they do they trust the articles written against it over the memes in support of it. It's why they've all moved on.

belphegorsprime

Internet memes don't spread ideas

This is incorrect. This is the definition of memes.

And even if the Mem got them to look it up, as soon as they do they trust the articles written against it over the memes in support of it.

No one suggested censoring articles. Memes and articles do not need to be mutually exclusive.

It's why they've all moved on.

Not sure what you mean by this. Do you mean that memes have moved on? Because people are still making memes. They are just being segregated. Please read my original post.

Foralltoosee

Memetics is the idea that we pass down ideas and habits over generations and that process has had a non-genetic effect on our evolution. Internet memes don't spread ideas.

You're right, no one suggested censoring articles. I am saying that if you think memes spread the ideas, that even if they did manage to expose someone to this pizzagate, when they went looking for more information they would read the articles posted by major publications, all of which have written you off as a niche conspiracy group, and denounce you as well. Again, memes don't spread ideas.

By "they've all moved on" I was referring to the people who don't believe you who you would be making the memes to spread the ideas to. If you think it's spreading the idea, it needs to go to people who aren't already on your boat, and they've all moved on.

belphegorsprime

Memetics is the idea that information is the core component of evolution. Information's ability to reproduce and be mutated creates a diversity through which selection pressures can act. Genetic variation and biological evolution is a subset of memetic evolution.

The internet allows for information to evolve on a much faster timescale than human generations.

I noticed that in your response, when you peddle a defeatist attitude regarding pizzagate awareness among the masses, you use the pronoun "you" instead of "we". If you are not interested in pizzagate awareness, why are you here?

nnfx

Maybe try the meme thread found on the right sidebar.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1476547

belphegorsprime

The existence of the meme thread is not obvious. It also doesn't undelete discussions that were happening in a deleted thread. Can you explain when this meme segregation rule was created? Can you point to where it is in the rules?

As it stands right now, memes, along with their discussions are being deleted.

nnfx

Resources for investigators Pertinent threads 

MASTER LIST OF IMPORTANT LEADS
MONEY LAUNDERING THREAD WITH 1000 UPVOTES
[V/PIZZAGATE](https://voat.co/v/PIZZAGATE) MEME THREAD
TIMELINE OF PIZZAGATE RELATED CENSORSHIP

In the right sidebar. How isn't that enough? It's there big and fat for everyone to see at any given moment.

belphegorsprime

Moreover, it results in memes being segregated to a "thread" that isn't obvious to find, and doesn't allow the full feature set of voat curation to take place.

If you read my post, you'd know I'm aware of this little link in the sidebar. It is not obvious. It is absolutely not "big and fat". Also, it does not address the deletion of discussion. Memes are being treated as second class citizens. I want to know why.

Can you point to where it is in the rules?

You have not answered this.

If there was a discussion about the segregation of memes, I missed it. Can someone link me to it? It is a little jarring when discussion is happening and entire conversations were deleted.

You have not responded to this.

Perhaps we can have a link in the sidebar to magicmemes or a place dedicated to memes if they must be segregated.

You have not addressed this. Why should memes be kept in an old thread? Even if you argued successfully to my points above, and convinced me that memes don't belong in the main pizzagate subverse, how can you say that the current meme thread is a better than a sub dedicated to pizzagate memes?

Also, if posts are going to be deleted for any purpose (along with the discussions that went with them), I think that should be stated clearly in the rules. Currently, it is not.

belphegorsprime

I did post a link. The archive link at the bottom of the post is what was deleted.

belphegorsprime

There are secret rules being enforced. Memes get deleted, along with their discussions. They are then "moved" to a little meme gulag which gets very little traffic.