Gave you seen the Miley Cyrus Baby Talk video? It's disgusting. She's dressed as a baby, legs spread most of the time, saying "Fuck Me". It's the most degenerate thing I've seen that's mainstream.
I think anyone who thinks this is strictly sexual is missing a lot of the message. When I saw it, it felt a lot more like a father/daughter relationship. You see the father get weak at the end and she exits the cage, signifying her independence. That was my interpretation anyway.
You're coming up against a difficulty that is common to everything in the world.
Let's go back to the 1980s, and let's imagine saying, "The school system is pushing to normalize homosexuality." What would that mean? Obviously:
Not every teacher in America is doing that
Not every school principal is trying to do that
And yet, would the statement "the school system is pushing to normalize homosexuality" be false? I think most people would say otherwise; regardless of the various individuals in the school system who aren't pushing to normalize it, the school system as a whole exhibits a trend.
What makes it more difficult is that in the 1980s, you are not likely to find some grand, high council deciding that the time has come to normalize homosexuality. You may have loose organizations connected to it, individuals in high places, various writers, influencers and public speakers, but you don't find a central, governing body.
So where is the normalization coming from, and in what way is "the school system" ("they") "pushing" to normalize homosexuality?
Honestly, I have no clue. I wouldn't be able to tell you why it's happening, or who's in charge (if anybody is); I could only point to examples of it happening, and abstractly express the trend.
When Sia's video came out last year, I knew something was afoot. And I'd seen several articles appear around the same time from influential websites talking about "accepting" pedophilia. I can't tell you where this is coming from or why it's happening; I only know it is. Many have given examples of the music industry's involvement in the trend, and Sia is just one instance of it.
The music industry is trying to normalize everything that degenerates the spirit, esp in pop music and people are buying into it right and left. This is the problem, buying into crap.
With Clive Davis, a known evil degenerate, at the helm what can one expect.
I think that tidal streaming music is the gathering of the new illuminate musicians, madonna, jazz, minaj,etc
And the young generation 8-15 are being groomed by Miley Cyrus, Katy perry and all the rsst of the mediocre musicians. They worship at the altar of complete mediocrity.
For context, Shia LaBoeuf did another music video (for Royksopp) that was highly symbolic and apparently had a lot of motifs of the Monarch mind control program.
I beg to differ. Of course it is, and it's not just the music industry, but this is going on among all elites.
First, in this case, is the "intellectual meaning" they claim is what's really important actually so powerful that it erases the obvious visual message of a sexual relationship between a 28 year-old man and a 12 year-old girl? Were the people making this video really expecting its main impact to be the "intellectual message" or the controversy over having an adult man and 12-year-old girl act sexually towards each other? The point was the man/girl angle, and the "intellectual message" was a fig leaf.
That video also can have a double meaning supporting the pedophile view that children are supposedly equal to adults in sexual matters but that such has been "caged" by society.
Here is also another recent case of pedophilia being popularized: "Diary of a Teenage Girl," 2015. It's a film about a 15 year old girl losing her virginity to a man over twice her age, and most film critics applauded it for not being "judgmental" and portraying the girl as in control of her life and going after what she wants, as well as questioning if she's really being exploited.
Then see a series of articles entitled "Pedophilia Chic.'" They're about 15-20 years old, but still relevant. They go over dozens of attempts to normalize pedophilia:
Sometimes no but yeah if you do crack or drink Booz with a kid in your stomach it's possible the kids brain is wired wrong. Sometimes pregnancy fucks up. How hard is that to understand? Same with gays.
yeah, but both people in this video are representing the inner struggle of Sia, not anything sexual at all. she plays with the childish personality within her and, shia is supposed to represent the monster, or the scary things in her psyché. they're supposed to be the same character. i don't think this has anything to do with pizzagate at all. there's other examples you could use like natgeo's cover with a transgender girl. that's normalization. this is just (no matter how you spin it) art.
you might not like it, but still, there's nothing sexual going on at all.
you might not like it, but still, there's nothing sexual going on at all.
You can say that until you are blue in the face; nobody believes it deep down. If it were otherwise, fans of Sia would not be incessantly explaining away this video as they do (check top rated comments).
I believe that whatever she is, Sia is not stupid. Visually, this is pedophilia. She can say it represents whatever she wants to. But as an artist, I don't buy for one instant that she didn't know what this looked like.
This is just art
Sorry, that same ludicrous excuse can be used to dismiss any example of pedophilia whatsoever. Any visual medium is a form of art. Invoking it's artistic status does not in any way change its content or subject.
You're right. Except, you know, for that time she made a video with an adult man in a flesh suit straddling a little girl in a flesh suit inside of a metal cage.
I believe pedophilia is going to be the next frontier of "social justice" pushed by the media as we've seen from Salon etc., but I wouldn't consider this video a part of it.
Is there any chance, in your mind, that this video
was
a part of it, but the strategy semi-backfired? (Semi-backfired, because as you can see, the controversy was small, and the video was well-received).
I personally don't care who's responsible, or what their social motives were. I'm just 100% convinced the artist knew this looked like pedophilia, and did it anyways; there can't be any good reason for that.
This is interesting because we are being subliminally marketed pedophilia the same way we are being sold cars, booze, vacations etc.
Reminds me of the ol' stealth marketing campaigns of the 80s and 90s.
Elitist marketing targets acceptance by trend conscious oligarchs with or without understanding.
The pizza has become a propaganda tool to make us understand that oligarchs accept this and you are too fucking helpless to do anything about it. It's the same marketing done for trade and treaty deals.
It's because the Saudis like fucking and killing women and children, so we had better get used to it if anyone is going to buy our fighter jets.
Your school needs to recognize that a parallel argument can be and will be made to justify any sexual deviancy whatsoever. It will, in the end, leave no mental illness - however deranged and evil - untouched or unexcused.
If you think people are born transgender, own it. But go all the way with it. Stop taking half measures. Please do the world a favor, and be consistent with your own worldview so we can finally fight like men and determine who will inherit the Earth.
But if you're going to denounce pedophilia, recognize that you are appealing to a normative moral/biological standard, and start calling transgenderism what it is: harmful delusion.
Lol I never disagreed with you saying it oils be a a mental illneas. It is a mental fucking illness whether your born with it or not. What sane minded person would want to cut their nutsack off or grow a divk out their vag.
I was. Haha I know it looked sarcastic but They actually are fucked up. I mean they have to be. You don't just get an idea to become a girl or man out of fucking nowhere. Your body tells you to do that shit. Kid always suffers cuz of crack momma.
Nope. Trans gender people have lost their sense of identity and are for the most part attention-whores.
It's a mental disease to want to mutilate yourself in any way. It should only be accepted for medical reasons.
Not fucking circumcision. That's a sick and evil practice that creates perverts(homosexuals, pedophiles) because they can't really feel much on their dick. Forcing them to get exited in perverted ways. Anyone can become perverted, it's just all about letting go of your morals.
Also, don't even give me that shit about how it's easier to keep clean. The foreskin is a protective coat for your dick and you shouldn't have some fucking asshole cut it off when you're a baby.
I have one account. And you're obviously a fucking shill because you refuse to use any arguments. All you have is Ad hominem! You keep repeating it like a fucking jidfcuck.
Don't know many father daughter relationships that involve bathing suits other than when you go to the pool. Definitely don't know any father daughter relationships that involve that uniform in a cage but I've been wrong before I guess lol hah she has worn that dance outfit in all previous videos sooo.
Your argument is noted. But I'm one of many who have never, ever found it convincing. This isn't proof in the sense of hard proof, but it's pretty reasonable evidence.
I genuinely don't see the ambiguity of interpretation here, though I have often tried. You can resist the obvious by force of will. But especially after #Pizzagate, nothing will make me believe this "performance" was not intended to be a representation of sexual contact between an adult male and a young child.
I mean, check out the top rated comments. Every single one of them is an attempt to explain away the
blatant
sexual imagery in just the way you are. That's because even though everyone sees it, nobody wants to believe it. How about instead of running from what's right in front of us, we acknowledge it and raise a very disapproving eyebrow?
▼ francine_rose
Check out Shias IG Has a picture with pizza gifs all over it
Also his creepy song about him being a cannibal
▼ IlluminatiKing
Actual cannibal Shia Lebouf!
▼ gosso920
Russia hacked my toaster, you insensitive clod!
▼ ThighHighSwampBoots
Gave you seen the Miley Cyrus Baby Talk video? It's disgusting. She's dressed as a baby, legs spread most of the time, saying "Fuck Me". It's the most degenerate thing I've seen that's mainstream.
▼ bopper
You're an idiot.
▼ ThighHighSwampBoots
Ridiculousness
▼ Womb_Raider
I think anyone who thinks this is strictly sexual is missing a lot of the message. When I saw it, it felt a lot more like a father/daughter relationship. You see the father get weak at the end and she exits the cage, signifying her independence. That was my interpretation anyway.
▼ veritas_vincit
You're coming up against a difficulty that is common to everything in the world.
Let's go back to the 1980s, and let's imagine saying, "The school system is pushing to normalize homosexuality." What would that mean? Obviously:
And yet, would the statement "the school system is pushing to normalize homosexuality" be false? I think most people would say otherwise; regardless of the various individuals in the school system who aren't pushing to normalize it, the school system as a whole exhibits a trend.
What makes it more difficult is that in the 1980s, you are not likely to find some grand, high council deciding that the time has come to normalize homosexuality. You may have loose organizations connected to it, individuals in high places, various writers, influencers and public speakers, but you don't find a central, governing body.
So where is the normalization coming from, and in what way is "the school system" ("they") "pushing" to normalize homosexuality?
Honestly, I have no clue. I wouldn't be able to tell you why it's happening, or who's in charge (if anybody is); I could only point to examples of it happening, and abstractly express the trend.
When Sia's video came out last year, I knew something was afoot. And I'd seen several articles appear around the same time from influential websites talking about "accepting" pedophilia. I can't tell you where this is coming from or why it's happening; I only know it is. Many have given examples of the music industry's involvement in the trend, and Sia is just one instance of it.
▼ veritas_vincit
Whoa, I didn't even think of that...
▼ Stellarjay
The music industry is trying to normalize everything that degenerates the spirit, esp in pop music and people are buying into it right and left. This is the problem, buying into crap. With Clive Davis, a known evil degenerate, at the helm what can one expect. I think that tidal streaming music is the gathering of the new illuminate musicians, madonna, jazz, minaj,etc And the young generation 8-15 are being groomed by Miley Cyrus, Katy perry and all the rsst of the mediocre musicians. They worship at the altar of complete mediocrity.
▼ sagradia
For context, Shia LaBoeuf did another music video (for Royksopp) that was highly symbolic and apparently had a lot of motifs of the Monarch mind control program.
Here's an article making the connections: http://vigilantcitizen.net/musicbusiness/fjogur-piano-a-viral-video-about-monarch-mind-control
▼ Runaway-White-Slave
You know who else didn't like degeneracy, tried to rid his whole country of it, was real successful too, I love that guy...........
[He was an actual artist, though the establishment didn't appreciate him, & no I don't mean George W Bush]
▼ veritas_vincit
Ha. Even the people defending the video don't go that far. Every defense begins with, "Yes, it does look messed up, but..."
▼ Beastacles
Nothing new here. Stuffs been around for years, I remember being shocked when Billy Idol " rocked the cradle of love".
https://youtu.be/NCZuYS-9qaw
▼ Psalm100
I beg to differ. Of course it is, and it's not just the music industry, but this is going on among all elites.
First, in this case, is the "intellectual meaning" they claim is what's really important actually so powerful that it erases the obvious visual message of a sexual relationship between a 28 year-old man and a 12 year-old girl? Were the people making this video really expecting its main impact to be the "intellectual message" or the controversy over having an adult man and 12-year-old girl act sexually towards each other? The point was the man/girl angle, and the "intellectual message" was a fig leaf.
That video also can have a double meaning supporting the pedophile view that children are supposedly equal to adults in sexual matters but that such has been "caged" by society.
Here is also another recent case of pedophilia being popularized: "Diary of a Teenage Girl," 2015. It's a film about a 15 year old girl losing her virginity to a man over twice her age, and most film critics applauded it for not being "judgmental" and portraying the girl as in control of her life and going after what she wants, as well as questioning if she's really being exploited.
Then see a series of articles entitled "Pedophilia Chic.'" They're about 15-20 years old, but still relevant. They go over dozens of attempts to normalize pedophilia:
▼ NEVERHILLARY33
Sometimes no but yeah if you do crack or drink Booz with a kid in your stomach it's possible the kids brain is wired wrong. Sometimes pregnancy fucks up. How hard is that to understand? Same with gays.
▼ rush22
This is the proof about Podesta we've been waiting for!
▼ OhBoyLookAtThat
yeah, but both people in this video are representing the inner struggle of Sia, not anything sexual at all. she plays with the childish personality within her and, shia is supposed to represent the monster, or the scary things in her psyché. they're supposed to be the same character. i don't think this has anything to do with pizzagate at all. there's other examples you could use like natgeo's cover with a transgender girl. that's normalization. this is just (no matter how you spin it) art.
you might not like it, but still, there's nothing sexual going on at all.
▼ ThighHighSwampBoots
They could have used an adult woman. They could have been clothed. So I call bs
▼ veritas_vincit
You can say that until you are blue in the face; nobody believes it deep down. If it were otherwise, fans of Sia would not be incessantly explaining away this video as they do (check top rated comments).
I believe that whatever she is, Sia is not stupid. Visually, this is pedophilia. She can say it represents whatever she wants to. But as an artist, I don't buy for one instant that she didn't know what this looked like.
Sorry, that same ludicrous excuse can be used to dismiss any example of pedophilia whatsoever. Any visual medium is a form of art. Invoking it's artistic status does not in any way change its content or subject.
▼ OhBoyLookAtThat
well, we disagree. that happens.
▼ veritas_vincit
Alefantis said there's nothing dirty on his Instagram. Guess Pizzagate is a lie...
▼ GoHeadBeGoneWithIt
THERES no reason for us to suspect sia has a pedo agenda, unlike alefantis who gives us thousands of reason
▼ veritas_vincit
You're right. Except, you know, for that time she made a video with an adult man in a flesh suit straddling a little girl in a flesh suit inside of a metal cage.
Nothing to see here. Move along, folks.
▼ veritas_vincit
That's fair enough. I tend to ask myself:
"What are the odds, here?
A. It actually never occurred to the artist that this looks like pedophilia.
B. The artist knows that this looks like pedophilia"
And I tend to think A is obviously the most insulting and unlikely answer. It seems implausible that both the artist and the viewers are idiots.
▼ BeezleyBillyBub
It's like marketing war.
It's like family values and violence, or grandpas with guns.
It's like ads for gambling or porn. In other words, it's fucking evil.
▼ veritas_vincit
▼ veritas_vincit
Is there any chance, in your mind, that this video was a part of it, but the strategy semi-backfired? (Semi-backfired, because as you can see, the controversy was small, and the video was well-received).
I personally don't care who's responsible, or what their social motives were. I'm just 100% convinced the artist knew this looked like pedophilia, and did it anyways; there can't be any good reason for that.
▼ BeezleyBillyBub
This is interesting because we are being subliminally marketed pedophilia the same way we are being sold cars, booze, vacations etc. Reminds me of the ol' stealth marketing campaigns of the 80s and 90s. Elitist marketing targets acceptance by trend conscious oligarchs with or without understanding. The pizza has become a propaganda tool to make us understand that oligarchs accept this and you are too fucking helpless to do anything about it. It's the same marketing done for trade and treaty deals.
It's because the Saudis like fucking and killing women and children, so we had better get used to it if anyone is going to buy our fighter jets.
▼ SoManyQuestions
It's being pushed with this transgender shit too. Insinuating a child is thinking about sexuality at that age.
▼ NEVERHILLARY33
Transgender is different. They're born with it. Pedophilia is both.
▼ swaglord123
they CAN be born with it, but the spin on it is absolutly false...and bizzare
▼ veritas_vincit
Your school needs to recognize that a parallel argument can be and will be made to justify any sexual deviancy whatsoever. It will, in the end, leave no mental illness - however deranged and evil - untouched or unexcused.
If you think people are born transgender, own it. But go all the way with it. Stop taking half measures. Please do the world a favor, and be consistent with your own worldview so we can finally fight like men and determine who will inherit the Earth.
But if you're going to denounce pedophilia, recognize that you are appealing to a normative moral/biological standard, and start calling transgenderism what it is: harmful delusion.
▼ NEVERHILLARY33
Lol I never disagreed with you saying it oils be a a mental illneas. It is a mental fucking illness whether your born with it or not. What sane minded person would want to cut their nutsack off or grow a divk out their vag.
▼ veritas_vincit
Oops, sorry. I completely misunderstood your intention.
▼ SoManyQuestions
Lol. I thought you were serious for a minute.
▼ NEVERHILLARY33
I was. Haha I know it looked sarcastic but They actually are fucked up. I mean they have to be. You don't just get an idea to become a girl or man out of fucking nowhere. Your body tells you to do that shit. Kid always suffers cuz of crack momma.
▼ sixgorillion
Nope. Trans gender people have lost their sense of identity and are for the most part attention-whores.
It's a mental disease to want to mutilate yourself in any way. It should only be accepted for medical reasons.
Not fucking circumcision. That's a sick and evil practice that creates perverts(homosexuals, pedophiles) because they can't really feel much on their dick. Forcing them to get exited in perverted ways. Anyone can become perverted, it's just all about letting go of your morals.
Also, don't even give me that shit about how it's easier to keep clean. The foreskin is a protective coat for your dick and you shouldn't have some fucking asshole cut it off when you're a baby.
Still waiting for this to be debunked
▼ NEVERHILLARY33
bot alert
▼ sixgorillion
Are you a fucking shill or an idiot?
Try and use arguments at least.
▼ NEVERHILLARY33
You want me to start posting screenshots of all your deleted copypasta comments hahahahahaha
Thought you had made a new account already X)
▼ sixgorillion
I do, please post screenshots of "my copypasta".
I have one account. And you're obviously a fucking shill because you refuse to use any arguments. All you have is Ad hominem! You keep repeating it like a fucking jidfcuck.
▼ NEVERHILLARY33
Don't know many father daughter relationships that involve bathing suits other than when you go to the pool. Definitely don't know any father daughter relationships that involve that uniform in a cage but I've been wrong before I guess lol hah she has worn that dance outfit in all previous videos sooo.
▼ veritas_vincit
That, and the "bathing suits" are flesh colored. The actors are clearly intended to seem naked.
▼ SoManyQuestions
No shit. Imagine it was two adults.
▼ logical-explanation
using your logic i could place childporn in front of pop music and call it interpretive.
your explanation/arguement simply reinforces the idea that brainwashing is real. perhaps this why you choose to creat a "throwaway" account.
▼ veritas_vincit
Your argument is noted. But I'm one of many who have never, ever found it convincing. This isn't proof in the sense of hard proof, but it's pretty reasonable evidence.
I genuinely don't see the ambiguity of interpretation here, though I have often tried. You can resist the obvious by force of will. But especially after #Pizzagate, nothing will make me believe this "performance" was not intended to be a representation of sexual contact between an adult male and a young child.
I mean, check out the top rated comments. Every single one of them is an attempt to explain away the blatant sexual imagery in just the way you are. That's because even though everyone sees it, nobody wants to believe it. How about instead of running from what's right in front of us, we acknowledge it and raise a very disapproving eyebrow?