A question on Rule#2: Posts not about PIZZAGATE specifically will be removed ( pizzagate )

submitted by noreturn4me

SO what exactly are the parameters of "Pizzagate"? Would be nice to know exactly what the mods believe pizzagate to be about, So we know exactly what and how to address it. In my view it has exploded from e-mails, to CF, to global take downs, human trafficking, child sex abuse, etc..... So what is okay and what is not? Bringing religious or occult is not okay yet people are constantly yelling Satanism, bringing small groups of people is not okay, unless it meets some narrative like transphobia/homophobia? Just curious because the parameters don't make sense to me?

gopluckyourself

Hell yes! I've been trying to express this all day.

gopluckyourself

I think establishing this distinction is important.
Copy pasting from a related comment string.
In my mind pizzagate is the investigation into widespread corruption and pedophilia of the political elite based on the wikileaks podesta emails and topics related. Not necessarily pedophilia but as they are related to the current web that we know of. Which iiiissss https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1497611 dis. edit: topics that can be pointed at and the question asked how does this relate to what we currently know?

noreturn4me

Thanks for your feedback.

noreturn4me

Really, I'm doing this with you again today? Can't you and I agree to disagree and find a common ground on helping those that can't help themselves.

Kawksnahch

As an addendum to my reply, a lot of us seem to be familiar with Cathy O'Brien and MK Ultra/Monarch. That's why the Satanism stuff gets brought up. Fritz Sprigmeier, Manly P. Hall, Albert Pike... they all related depending on how you run the rabbit holes.

Blaming it on the J00z is bullshit. They would be saying Zionists if they were actually going that route, which relates the the previous topics.

Also gonna throw out there that if the All Seeing Eye should be the Brown Eye of Providence, then the gap might be the taint, and the pyramid could be a sack, as if you're looking at a male from behind. Not necessarily a kid, and this may not even be completely accurate, but supposedly, "according to the OTO (Ordo Templi Orientalis)"... that's exactly what you're looking at. And now you can't unsee it. Monetary Goatse

noreturn4me

I agree Jew blaming is bullshit but it is proven that lots of people not just Jews practice the mysticism of Kabbalah, &/or a bastardized version of it. Which has been proven to involve these exact issues.

John_The_Watchman

"Which has been proven to involve these exact issues". Word.

Kawksnahch

See, now you're starting to have a conversation we can have.

Do you remember the rise in popularity of Fad-Kabbalism? You had big names like Madonna and her ilk really get into it. Little red strings on their wrists everywhere. All sorts of hollywood and music industry types. But then we found ourselves back to folks like Corey Haim, who's shared a certain coroner with a certain someone... who also died after the autopsies.

And you know what all those people who did fad-kabbalah ended up doing? All sorts of Fad-Illuminati shit. Covering one eye. Looking through triangles. Back masking.

You probably don't even understand how Kabbalah fits into the lineage of Judaic Mysticism. The Christians and Muslims have their own versions. Kabbalah lines up pretty well with Hermeticism, but they verge on names and approaches.

And if you're trying to tell me that the illuminati is jewish, then you're really out of your god damned mind.

John_The_Watchman

I am not sure exactly who this reply is directed at but I believe we are basically on the same page. "Kabbalah lines up pretty well with Hermeticism" - that is the angle I am precisely interested in. Kabbalah and Judaism are not the same thing, despite appearances and I concur that there are other versions in other religions. You can see my other comments today for more on my feelings in that regard.

noreturn4me

Illuminati is now incorporated with some Freemasonry sects right?

Kawksnahch

it would make sense for other secret societies to have a presence in the largest public secret society (outside of the church)

John_The_Watchman

"illuminati" is just a blanket word which I'm not even sure has much real connotation today. It's highly misused and misunderstood, IMHO. A better way to ask this might be: "Are there elements of the mystery religion that are incorporated with freemasonry?". The answer is a resounding yes. One only needs to read the works of freemasons such as Manly P Hall to understand this fact.

noreturn4me

thank you.

noreturn4me

Do you think that a lot of these different org. have about the same templet for these horrific practices under the guise of different names?

John_The_Watchman

You have nailed down a highly important piece of this vast puzzle. Dive into the writings of these people from various orgs. Recognize the commonalities/patterns shared by the various branches of mysticism today. They are legion. Now ask yourself why is it that these seemingly separate organizations/religions/groups, over thousands of years, share a similar subcurrent and style of symbolism? The only way to do this is to immerse yourself a bit into their world - see the symbols and understand what's behind them for yourself. Get it straight from the horses mouth, so to speak. Just harden your heart before doing so.

John_The_Watchman

I would highly encourage you to check out the "Mystery Babylon" series by Bill Cooper. There are around 40 hours of audio and it is best just to start with #1 and see if it fits your taste. I don't agree with him on everything he says (specifically about aliens..) but the stuff on the Mystery religion, who it involves and how it influences the world today are spot on, based on my own research.

noreturn4me

Thanks I'll look into it. Maybe I need my tinfoil hat for this one but not totally convinced that other beings haven't visited.

Kawksnahch

Exhibit A: Anything focusing on Jews.

The person in question is a pedophile or they're not. They're generally lying about their name, religion, what they do with their time, etc.

Hell, a lot of them profess other faiths. If you've ever looked into the Temple of Set and Church of Satan, for example, they have people join other religious groups for various purposes and reasons. One of the most important reasons is a social shield. Oh, he's such a good christian... he would never... etc etc

noreturn4me

So are you telling me anything relating to Jews is off the table?

Kawksnahch

not at all! They've come up, christians have come up, muslims have come up, and other faiths as well.

But... why don't you just go ahead and pasta that copy now and save us all the suspense. I know you want to. :)

j_m_d

Here's my issue with Jews, more specifically, Zionists. The media are the ones calling this"fake news" and trying to discredit this as a conspiracy theory, right? I think we all know who owns the majority of corporate media. So who is calling the shots telling the news to discredit everything? Kinda obvious. On top of all the pedophilia that's well known in the jewish religion and not just a conspiracy theory. They are a bigger part in this than anyone wants to admit, not admitting it is pure ignorance.

Kawksnahch

Pedophilia is not well known in the jewish religion -_-

noreturn4me

What do you mean pasta that copy?

John_The_Watchman

He is insinuating that you might be the same person who is posting the same "its the joos" essay over and over under different usernames over the last days. He is a copy/paste monster - info aside.

noreturn4me

Oh no I don't want to hate on the Jews, or hate at all. Hate is a disgusting feeling and I don't allow myself to go there. I work for justice, understanding, and freedom. On this particular issue I'm more interested in the narrative of mystic practices that some do. I have a lot of interest on a lot of issues and groups of people that I would love to talk about, I just don't know if it's okay to bring them here. Even though they seem to fit the narrative sometimes. You don't fight hate with hate. You will never win. Fight with Knowledge.

John_The_Watchman

You may have mis-interpreted my post. We are on exactly the same page. I don't wanna hate on anyone - I am interested in the mystical angle as well not the nationality of the mystics themselves - as they span all peoples.

noreturn4me

I was just trying to state why I'm here, how I feel, and that I'm not about group bashing. So not to get misinterpreted as a hater or shill.

John_The_Watchman

Yea I agree with you that there seem to be some logical fallacies amongst the moderators and rule-writers.

John_The_Watchman

It's hard to define the parameters when we aren't even sure of the scope of this thing with any certainly or which groups are involved. Which is why it is a logical fallacy to ban anything calling out specific groups until we know those things....and its hard to know those things with all the banning. Round and round we go.