You are getting way off topic. ( pizzagate )

submitted by gopluckyourself

I'm seeing a lot of blatantly off topic and off topic pedophilia related stuff. This is a sub for the investigation of #pizzagate not an investigation for every pedophile on the planet. Reign it in please.

rush22

A lot of the garbage is actually just one guy with a spambot army.

Kwijibo

I agree, but the mods do nothing.

gopluckyourself

Change starts with you. Point it out. Report crap posts and tell people how you think they could improve them.
edit: also
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/modlog/submission
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/modlog/comment

Kwijibo

I do, but the mods do not remove anything and when 1 out of 10 users has the power to downvote, then everything is upvoted and nothing can be downvoted.

gopluckyourself

I've been reporting and have a mod ping copy paste that I've been using. I also try to explain to the user that has posted why their post is breaking the rules and how they can hopefully improve it.

roundhouse1776

Why is this tagged as "important"? Something really weird is going on with the moderator tags here lately...

gopluckyourself

Because at least one of the moderators agreed?

dafacts

agree - it's getting really hard to stay on track.

JanMichaelVincent

t. leader of all of us

gopluckyourself

meaning?

Long_Knife

That really isn't the way burden of proof works. I can say "prove there isn't a Batman" and by your rationale there is a Batman because you can't prove there isn't.

gopluckyourself

I made /v/pizzarelated and have been trying to spread it around everywhere. I messaged the mods about trying to get the related subs more visible and pizzarelated added to the list.

grlldcheese

Now faggot ass op is trying to private message me so he's not humiliated in an open discussion.

This is a fucking glorious electoral vote day.

gopluckyourself

shill or aspi freaking out I can't tell? With the topic as "lol." Is the message I sent him. Now I'm going to downvoat you and move on.

grlldcheese

Ok. Try this.

Fuck no, you incompetent twat.

gopluckyourself

lol

noreturn4me

I may not agree with your take on this but I will try and help you out with idiots and their downvoats,

gopluckyourself

Do you have any ideas on how my statements could be improved? I only jump on every 3-4 days and thus only see what I see that day and the synopsis updates for the last few days so I may be a little out of loop on the actual investigation. Which is why I'm upset with thing the way I am.
As a fictitious example a post about a child getting raped in the congo by a political official is unrelated. A post linking to the child getting raped in the congo by a political official who gets payouts from a company owned by the clinton foundation or podesta or soros or whatever is super relevant.

noreturn4me

I don't think that your statements are necessarily "wrong". I'm here everyday sometimes up to 12-16 hours, and I understand that frustration. It would be a lot easier if it didn't take so long to be able to downvoat. So I try and use my upvoats so the ones I find relevant are hopefully easier to find.

Yes that fictitious example is a great scenario, but not all people here are tech savvy enough to find that possible connection. So they post it here and hopefully someone can pick it up and investigate. Plus please don't forget that a lot of shills are here posting crap. You won't be able to get rid of that.

gopluckyourself

You should be able to downvoat now you're at 103.

I'm just saying a minimum level of effort before posting would be great. Even if they're not savvy if the posts would just ask the question they had that caused them to post it would be great.

noreturn4me

Making the Submission title more clear. I agree with that.

noreturn4me

Yeah after I refreshed my tab I saw that. I was at 97 when I posted.

grlldcheese

Kike nigger spic retard cunt

Your spam is getting old.

noreturn4me

I wish I could downvoat you.

grlldcheese

Lmfao.

I'd say you had to go back, but they won't have you guys there.

Welcome to voat.

noreturn4me

Go back where?

grlldcheese

Nope.

gopluckyourself

You know I was thinking about reporting both of your replies but I decided not to I want these to stay up.

grlldcheese

Please do you fucking faggot.

It's about time for this place to close.

molehairz

Just click on report spam for off topic threads to help the mods out

gopluckyourself

I have been but it would be nice if we could nip the problem in the bud. And have people post relevant stuff in the first place.

Jem777

I think it is very difficult to see the forest through the trees because of the emotions this brings up. There is so much evidence it is overwhelming. Saying from a casework point of view. Most people just want answers want justice and most of all want truth. There is no need to chase every last thing out there and at the same time this is real. Focusing on the intense reality of what all these people share might help now as well in history. Elites, money,power, secret societies, Beliefs that involve Luceferian systems, symbols, occult, children, strange sexual associations, desire for eternal youth, blood sacrifice. Follow the instructions given Soros, Tavistock, trafficking, CIA, MK Ultra, Nazi party scientists, country (SA) connected to Podestas, Clinton, Old school republicans, blackmail.

gopluckyourself

I agree that this is a very emotionally charged issue. I've tried to learn throughout the years to separate my emotional state from something I'm trying to argue about and have learned to deal with things from that perspective. Emotions don't matter. Facts do. The fastest way to get to the end of this is for everyone involved to succinctly describe how they think something relates to it or to offer a vector that could be used to further the investigation.

molehairz

It's not an accident that this threat is getting flooded with irrelevant posts.

noreturn4me

Explain what pizzagate is then? I put up a thread last night asking this exact question. Never got any real answers. So please feel free to tell us all.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1500253

gopluckyourself

In my mind pizzagate is the investigation into widespread corruption and pedophilia of the political elite based on the wikileaks podesta emails and topics related. Not necessarily pedophilia but as they are related to the current web that we know of. Which iiiissss https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1497611 dis. edit: topics that can be pointed at and the question asked how does this relate to what we currently know?

roundhouse1776

It's unavoidable to get sidetracked in other pedo rings and other crimes against humanity because it all ties together.

noreturn4me

But is so much bigger than just that.

curiouspizza

I've got to say that I completely agree with this. Most of the posts I'm seeing are either spam, or completely unrelated to #pizzagate. Clearly, there is a lot of bad shit/human sex trafficking going on all around the world, but things being submitted and their relevancy to this sub are really pushing it.

snoopy_hangon

Also we need to stop it with the cannibalism and Satanism-pseudo demon worship shit. That shit makes the real issue (kids getting fucking raped) look like it is being propped up by the same weirdos who dissect Beyonce videos for Illuminati messages on YouTube.

gopluckyourself

I am actually not for this. If you can make a link to pizzagate that is actually related that happens to be cannibalistic or pseudo satanic/cult related. Post it. If there is a tie in that furthers the investigation and isn't actually unrelated bullshit, good.
edit: off topic/low effort posts no. On topic/well thought out posts yes!

crystalclearme

I agree and believe yes- esp going forward, pedophilia and trafficking posts are best submitted here if there is a clear link to #pizzagate or can be expressed in a pretty clear a to b to c fashion so we there's some possible link besides it being a pedofilia link. Not there isn't a place to post it but there is always v/pizzagatefree or v/pizzagateuncensored

noreturn4me

Those threads suck, there is little to no interaction in those threads. Posting here people can see and are more likely to try and find links. Just because the poster doesn't know how to do the full scale research doesn't mean they shouldn't have a voice. Now we're turning this into censorship. Which by the way is the reason we are here in the first place.

crystalclearme

good points. I think I wil just follow my own advice and keep those other threads for leads not necessarily linked yet

gopluckyourself

All good buddy discussion is how we learn and more accurately convey our ideas!

gopluckyourself

I'm not saying dismiss international rings. Those are literally pizza/pedogate related. Post the info make the question about if it could be related to what we already know. Start making the connections or put it in the right light to make the connections. I want all the info here. What I don't want is low effort or completely off topic posts.

isthisreality

In one way, I see what you mean. However, on the other hand, sometimes following the little fishies can lead you to the big fishies- just like in drug busts.

Orangutan

Context and historical precedence is important when trying to convince others of this stuff.

gopluckyourself

I agree. We have threads related to redpilling the masses on this topic! Look at the twitter meme movement. My problem is with people who post stuff without explaining why or how it's relevant to furthering pizzagate. edit:or crap that is just plain not related to it.

gopluckyourself

I'm not trying to narrow down or cut off a bigger picture with this. I just want the effort focused so that we're not off looking at harry dumbfuck in alabama diddling kids. Or someone saying I got raped as a child without even a hint of trying to explain how it relates to furthering the investigation. I want low effort and off topic posts to go away. Not the content of the low effort posts tho, I want those to turn into people making real statements in them so that we can more quickly assess the information inside and make the connections that need to be made to oust the entirety of the web.

gopluckyourself

I agree. But show me how it ties into the web. Otherwise it's just a distraction. Archive pedo related stuff you find but make sure stuff you post here actually furthers the investigation and doesn't just bog down with distractions.
Edit: pizzagate isn't just the us that's just where it's starting. We have seen a piece of the web now we have to start following it out.

Sentastixc

Wouldn't it be an idea to have a pizzagate news sub AND a pizzagate investigation sub with different rules?

SpikyAube

Agree, there is so much running off in all directions and posting about every spiral or double heart logo in the world. The investigation should be moving more towards the Clinton Foundation, and using some of the leads given by George Webb etc.

Maybe we should repost some of the really good solid posts with good leads and try to get them to the top to refocus the place.

SheSaidDestroy

I have no qualms with it as long as it demonstrates evidence of a larger child trafficking network in recent history that was not fully exposed, as this is ultimately evidence that the network still exists. Even better if the suspected network has possible or confirmed connections to our own government, which I think should be at the heart of our concerns right now. For example, busts in recent history where hundreds to thousands of files were found showing child sexual abuse, but only 1-3 people were apprehended. Where are the hundreds to thousands of children from those files? Where are the hundreds to thousands of people involved in making those images and videos? This sort of thing shows that the networks still exist. But I also do think it would be helpful to have it more organized, like a dedicated thread showing these cases, rather than a new thread for each case.

Atlantean120

This. Just because something may seem unrelated at first, we never know what implications it has.

as long as it relates to human sex trafficking though, it's only going to help educating us through understanding the perpetrators.

gopluckyourself

Absolutely. I already messaged the moderators about making a sticky for non pizzagate related pedo stuff. And have also suggested someone making a seperate sub for stuff like this as well.

noreturn4me

You said that softball comment in another thread. If you had watched the video she was held captive in Belgium for almost 6 years, tortured and raped mercilessly. How the hell is that NOT related to Pizzagate? Just because it doesn't fit your narrative doesn't mean it isn't relevant.

gopluckyourself

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1502466 to answer your question I'm trying to cut down on low effort/off topic shit posts. If the information is relevant frame it that way. Don't just link to an article with some generic hey look pedophilia title. edit: show me the names show me the connections. It's awful that she had to go through that but it is completely irrelevant as far as the investigation goes unless the post asks questions or provides new information.

noreturn4me

Because of some of these "low effort/off topic shit posts" I have found a profound amount of info. that is pizzagate related Sometimes seeing something sparks a revelation. Sometimes chaos creates creativity, in how we think. Some people are great at research, some are great at contacting people for further understanding of the nature of things we are dealing with. Instead of shooting them down ask questions, start a dialog, or just simply ignore it. It doesn't hurt anything if it is related to the topic of human trafficking, corruption, occult practices, mind control, sex slavery, etc.... There is proof that a lot of people that are used for sex slavery were first molested at home and then sold. So yea I think sometimes those are relevant to bring up. If you can look past shills why is this a big deal?

gopluckyourself

I'm not saying that sometime that kind of stuff isn't helpful at all I'm saying it's clogging the sub with things that aren't actually furthering the discussion. If we had another place to post stuff like that that people could go look at it would be great /v/pizzarelated has been created for that purpose. Please share this and help us get there. I'm going to talk to the pizzagate mods about getting a link to that on the sidebar or something like that.

noreturn4me

Don't you think it would be more beneficial to have specific topic subvoats that people can dedicate to a specific person, place, foundation? That way if it isn't a direct connection it would be easier to monitor.

gopluckyourself

Well the problem with that is that if you spread it out too much people can't be assed to look at all of it. I like having 2-3 subs for investigative leads/summaries and others for things that don't really fall under that category.

noreturn4me

It was an idea, maybe not a good one, but one none the less.

gopluckyourself

I think the reality is that an organizational movement needs to occur with assistance from the mods. Actually if we implemented a self tagging system and tag sorting that would be great. Similar to what the /r/overwatch subeddit does. As it stands we have some tagging but it's mostly things like "Important" "Validity in question" kind of stuff.

noreturn4me

Very true. I think that would help. I assume the mods are swamped, but it would be more beneficial for that to be done

smokemirrors

people are so happy just to have a forum for pizzagate and all its surrounding and related atrocities that I think it just all comes spilling out without too much thought about relevancy etc. Don't blame us. Its a vast topic with many octopus legs.

gopluckyourself

Right and I'm saying fuck that. I would make a support sub for off topic pedophile related stuff but I can't because I'm not 30 days old yet. This is about pizzagate. This isn't a group hug this is about investigating things related to pizzagate not every pedophile ever.
edit : /v/pizzarelated

Marthvedderette

Yeah well, in investigating this shit, we are starting to see that this just isn't about pedophiles, it encompasses a much larger global network, that isn't just into pedophilia. James Alefontis is a pimp/human trafficker, who has ties to this vast organization, and you don't just fall into this sort of thing, it is passed on from your parents. A real investigation would focus an extreme amount of energy in finding out who James Alefontis really is. That means you investigate him, everyone around him, and definitely find out who his family is, and what they do, or did for a living.

gopluckyourself

Hell yes this is the kind of investigation I want to see. Show me the web!

noreturn4me

Then maybe there should be forums for people that just want to look into those specific topics v/alefantis , v/podesta /, v/clintonfoundation . So on and so forth.

MenaAirport

Amen to that! This investigation into JA & Comet is stalemate ATM.

gopluckyourself

While I agree with you I wasn't even talking about the comet related crap. I'm seeing links to random pedo busts and minimum effort posts that basically equate to "they said pedo in this article!!!! MUST READ DENIERS WILL BE BURNED" type shit I hate having to scroll past all of it to find the 4 or 5 posts that are relevant for the day.

LawofTruth

Totally agree. Pedophilia and trafficking has been going on for ages. What hasn't been going on for ages is the massive revelations revealed in #Pizzagate and the powerful people implicated therein. We have to investigate pedo-related leads but they should tie back to HRC, Podesta, Alefantis and company, or the Clinton Foundation.

garlicbulb

Revelations about the most powerful people in the country have been going on for years, this is just the latest. The difference is this happens to have got international coverage on social media, whereas the others have been ignored by corporate media or become subject to disinformation. For examples I mention Brice Taylor and Cathy O'Brien, Presidio and Franklin . However i do agree that a separate subverse would be good as the subject is so vast. There will be overlap but that is ok.

LawofTruth

The difference though for us in the Information technology era is the evidence is right at our fingertips - we can easily search Wikileaks and see, we can view the archived photos of Alefantis's instagram. Other scandals we've had to rely on the investigation and testimony of others.

garlicbulb

Absolutely

JeremiahSinclair

Agree, but I would also add the republican party as well,. I.e., people in high positions of power in general, not necessarily just democrats/HRC's circle, since we know this phenomenon is totally bi-partisan.

LawofTruth

Good point, we saw with Franklin scandal it goes both ways. Neocon republicans are just as much with the globalist agenda and payroll.