Does anyone care that mindshare is dropping?
Does anyone want to discuss this, or do something about it?
Mindshare matters.
Memes are vital. Please visit
/v/pizzagatememes
to help raise awareness.
The rules here are geared towards citizen investigation, which is great. But what is our main objective? If we want the deranged sickos to be brought to justice, the public must be informed. It matters not only for juries, but for the standard in law called the "reasonable person standard". We need bring this to the forefront of public consciousness.
As it stands right now, we are failing at that. Change is needed.
▼ Searcher88
After Trump is inaugurated it will break, the NYPD will bust it wide open, may be what Guiliani is working on. The FBI will be forced to investigate as well.
▼ blackfyre_rebel
Think about it this way: this is the first time in history that MANY people are researching the global government's system of child sex trafficking and SAR (Satanic Ritual Abuse). In the past, if you researched this stuff you got suicided. Period.
This is A MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH. As a conspiracy theorist of 4 years...I could never fathom in a million years that a greater share of people would be discussing researching not only the occult but ritual sex magick...this is HUGE. When the spirit cooking hashtag went out, I knew it was only a matter of time before they were out. They are done.
They are desperate and on the run. If you are new to the conspiracy realm, then you are frustrated at the ignorance and willful complacency of the American pubic. Understandable. But for me, this is a big deal because hundreds, if not thousands of people who never believed in conspiracy before are now researching Pizzagate. Red pilling is working...their contradictions are faltering in the information age. Too many pieces out of place for the puzzle to make any reasonable sense....
▼ blackfyre_rebel
And if FBI Anon is correct, and I'm sure is, this implicates many governments and many levels of government within the U.S. ...You can't unveil the systems implication in the system without the system fighting back.
▼ smokemirrors
For people comparing Dutroux with Pizzagate...DONT. Dutroux was then; this is now. There wasn't social media or YouTube in the 80/90s when the good people of Belgium marched. Now, we have the power to shift consciousness forever. This will never go away.
▼ Atatarkus
Yup the cats out of the bag now, everyone keeps looking for the so-called smoking gun but all we should be doing now is spreading the word on an industrial scale. Once the msm knows everyone is talking about it the jig is up it'll be time to get the scapegoats out, thats when the real battle begins to make sure the true ringleaders are exposed.
▼ gopluckyourself
What exactly is "mindshare"?
▼ belphegorsprime
Awareness. Usually the term is used in marketing. It pertains to awareness of a brand in global consciousness.
▼ gopluckyourself
Ahh got you I'm not really familiar with marketing terms. I think there's supposed to be a couple of people working on manufacturing pizzagate memes I haven't seen anything related to getting involved with it lately tho.
▼ SIMONBARROW
Unless Wikileaks releases more relevant Podesta emails, I don't see how interest can do anything but flag. After all, there's not going to be an official investigation (as far as we know).
▼ belphegorsprime
Public pressure matters. I think if everyone is talking about this, it will be hard for politicians and a new justice department to ignore.
▼ SIMONBARROW
I disagree totally. Politicians and the legal system are very experienced in ignoring public pressure and, in fact, seem to be getting better and better at it. You just have to look at, say, the fact that the assassination of Princess Diana still hasn't been properly investigated to see this. These days they would just dismiss 'Diana conspiracy' rumours as fake news.
▼ belphegorsprime
I don't know much about Princess Diana conspiracy theories. It sounds obscure to me, although I know to others, it probably doesn't. But consider, this is exactly the point I'm making. We need to be aware of disinfo campaigns and be proactive about them. We also need to focus on the streisand effect.
If you think it's not worth trying, then I have to ask, why bother collecting evidence? If the legal system is going to just ignore it, why spend the effort? Whether you like it or not, public pressure matters. Princess Diana conspiracy theories may not have been successful for that very reason.
▼ SIMONBARROW
Well, I've expressed my view. Not only does public opinion no longer have an impact on the conduct of politicians and people in the criminal justice system, they are growing more and more determined to resist it. (After all, the more crimes they commit, the more they have to hide.) I think anything that enlightens us as to the truth is worth pursuing regardless of whether or not it leads to any legal action.
If you don't know anything about the Diana assassination (which surprises me greatly), then just replace it with JFK or 9-11.
▼ belphegorsprime
If you are trying to convince me that government conspiracies have occurred at the highest levels, and been successfully covered up by a complicit media and a misinformed, apathetic populace, you are wasting your time. I already have no doubt that this is true.
If you are trying to convince me that nothing can be done, and that real change cannot happen, I suggest you pick up a history book. They are filled with movements of self organized change, catalyzed by gross injustice, and enabled by collective awareness. Also, if you don't think it's important to get the word out, why are you here? Pizzagate is not going to be some exclusive club of insiders that know the real scoop. It is going to expose monumental corruption.
▼ atheist4thecause
It's not as bad as it seems, but it matters. Part of the problem is that so many social media sites are now censoring this topic. Alternative hashtags have appeared such as #PedoFiles. People are still talking about it, and a lot of people are waiting to jump on it when something more official comes out. We need to continue to gather evidence, and when Trump takes office, hopefully agencies start releasing information.
▼ belphegorsprime
I hope you are right. But I think we need to counter the MSM bias and suppression proactively. It is clear that "they" are spending resources hushing this. To me, the censorship is the biggest smoking gun. I had serious doubts about pizzagate until it started getting banned. It's as though someone touched a nerve.
Now, it seems there are sophisticated CIA mockingbird style attacks happening. I'm not talking run of the mill obvious shills, but I think there are covert operatives working to divide and conquer this movement. I think we should counter this by being a diaspora. Instead of being split up and silenced, we will be spread out like information spores, and we can help this to go viral.
▼ atheist4thecause
Trust in the MSM is in the single digits. Being denounced by the MSM only raises suspicion among most of the public at this point, and to the people who blindly follow the MSM, they get laughed at.
▼ rooting4redpillers
Defeatists have no business here. "Reasonable person standard?" ffs, if you can't see that's been met already, you haven't been looking, and STILL, you have enough confidence to post this tripe. Other outlets are JUST starting to post honest details about pizzagate. That's encouraging, don't you think? I agree, and have said before, a pizzagate mission statement might be helpful. But, the meticulously archived evidence, circumstantial or not, deserves far more credit than you give. Get on this unstoppable ship, or jump off. There is no fail here, success by inches, soon by feet, then miles. I support all the work done here. If and when I have a concrete idea for some positive change, I'll spell it out in detail, as should you.
▼ belphegorsprime
The point I was making is that the "reasonable person" is a subjective concept that can be altered by a massive awareness campaign. At face value, a non-red-pilled person will perceive the credibility of pizzagate evidence as flawed because it is so far from their notion of reality. This is the why the big lie works. We need to get the word out. I am not being defeatist, just cautious about where our collective resources are being spent.
I think investigators should investigate. But there are those among us that are better suited towards memetic engineering. Please consider supporting a two pronged effort. Let's not be divided, but instead multitask with specialization.
▼ rooting4redpillers
I'd consider any memetically-engineered effort you suggest, as long as it doesn't undermine any ground broken here. I have more faith in continuing to bring detailed and sourced information to people, and less faith in memes. Pizzagate is a volunteer effort. There's no professional marketing expertise, afaik. If you have specific ideas that will support pizzagate truth and awareness via memes, tell/show us what you have in mind.
▼ belphegorsprime
I have some ideas, but I know this community has more and better ideas. I am suggesting that we specialize a bit. Memes are being actively deleted (and then copied to a "meme thread"). I think the voat platform does a good job at "evolving" viral content. I think all memers should organize and collaborate on that particular part of the effort.
Memes are like the matches that start the fire. The vetted evidence that citizen investigators are organizing here is the fuel that will burn the corrupt establishment. We can't light that fire without the matches. The matches flare up and fizzle out without real fuel.
I think social media campaigns can be prepared on voat, and target other popular sites for spreading information. This is already being done, but I think we can collaborate with discussion and get the meme production into full swing.
▼ Normality1
will you have a concrete idea before or after masturbating?
▼ stickittotheman
there is also the chance that google is screwing with their trend graph as well... we all know how much we can trust big google.
▼ belphegorsprime
You bring up a good point. I wouldn't put it past those slimy bastards to do something like that.
▼ oresd
Right man, Google is messing with trend graphs now. This comment is exactly why this is not working out. This is a herd of cats that can't take a moment to think about confirmation bias before posting anything.
▼ stickittotheman
I've been down enough conspiracy rabbit holes in the last 20 years (including this one) to know that literally anything is possible and everything should be questioned, especially google who has been caught manipulating search results, changing search suggestion drop downs, changing views on youtube videos that they are one of the last organizations on the planet that can be trusted. I also dont think it is rocket science to change a graph for one search term "pizzagate" and is why although i check google trends myself, i do not 100% trust it. That graph is also as i mentioned not reflecting "global" awareness.
▼ THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES
This is the largest political scandal in human history. I don't put it past them.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1491256
▼ Normality1
Not even close to the largest political scandal in history, lol not even on the same horizon.
▼ THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES
hmm. yeah I can't think of any word powerful enough lol
▼ stickittotheman
Dont sweat it. We have done plenty already. Public awareness globally is way higher than when this all began. I am thinking this is the calm before the storm. There is really only so much we can do without the backing of big gov. I am hopeful that they are preparing the next steps and have the real smoking guns under lock and key in their possession but will also use some of the data compiled here in their prosecutions. That being said i agree it's not the time to back off on informing the public. I mention it to almost everyone i know. If every person can awaken at least one more person that is huge! I like the idea of QR codes printed on sheets and sticky them everywhere.
▼ Normality1
Dutroux case had ALL the evidence and testimonies, the WHOLE country of Belgium marched to the courthouse together, and what? 30 witnesses got shot one by one for pointing the finger at the royals. Whole country went back into silence. All videotapes disappeared. Don't make me laugh.
▼ stickittotheman
i know all about that case as ive been following pedo rings since before that happened. I agree, taking them down is a monumental task but i refuse to be one to just give up hope.
▼ oresd
Some has been done, but not much. Podesta is back to tweeting. Everyone things this crowd are nutters. Some interesting evidence has surfaced, but not many are paying attention.
▼ Madwack
“The Force is strong with this one.”
▼ Chimerarose
Please keep posting, keep fighting for these children, I belong to a private group somewhere else and we are keep a backed up archive of everything we find. I have been posting youtube vids of interviews with victims and human trafficking to make people more aware without saying pizzagate. Get it out anyway you can. Inform the uninformed- the non red-pilled need to have backstory first before they start believing and getting their noses up from their iphones and book of faces games.
▼ UncookedSpirit
Some of us are waiting to roar back after Inauguration. While the foxes rule the hen house, our side has severe limitations and I think posting evidence publicly might help the coverup, although I'm not sure or trying to silence anyone.
▼ UglyTruth
If no-one is listening, then how come voat's pizzagate visitors haven't dropped off?
▼ Normality1
9 thousand people? A fart video on youtube gets more views than that.
▼ UglyTruth
People who are amused by farts are not are our target audience. It's hard to measure interest on other platforms when people are migrating due to censorship.
▼ belphegorsprime
That's true. I shouldn't have said no one is listening. But, if google trends is credible (I have my doubts) then people are tuning out. It think the search for evidence is great, but I also think we need better exposure. So far, the MSM has controlled the narrative in a way to hush it back down.
▼ UglyTruth
The turning point for Google trends was December 5, when interest in fake news was peaking. Maybe we should focus on how the media has misrepresented the issue?
▼ belphegorsprime
Definitely! Understanding the enemy is very important. I think we need to expose their tactics, and use them against them. We have to get better at harnessing the streisand effect. The amount of effort people are spending collecting and vetting evidence is commendable, and frankly astounding.
I'm merely suggesting that some of this communities resources could be devoted to the cause of exposure.
▼ UglyTruth
I just messaged the Vigilant Citizen about this:
▼ belphegorsprime
Awesome! Pedo protectors that smear honest journalists need to be held accountable. I'm glad that some people here have each other's backs. Good people have put their livelihood on the line, and it's good to know that among this shit storm of disinfo there is some solidarity.
▼ Le_Squish
You can't clear decades of corruption in a month.
Shit takes time, brah. My grandmother was deep into the civil rights movement and I am forever grateful that she didn't bitch out a month in.
▼ pissfractal
The "civil rights" movement was a communist sham
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01XCkppfHkY
▼ Le_Squish
Civil rights movement was funded by a shit ton of jew money but the daily terror my family experienced was real. Communism looks good to oppressed people and Zionist wanted to exploit that. We were fool enough to be a house divided in the first place, our enemies love mass inequality.
▼ THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES
:)
▼ ThorTheWonderful
Keep fighting and upvoting everybody who is fighting! keep posting, keep talking about this child trafficking. If we can't get them we can slow them down..
▼ think_whatif
Keep fighting.
▼ Normality1
lazily clicks the upvote button: I'm saving the world! while other half retards cheer on: keep fighting! Pathetic.
▼ Normality1
That pado/blackmail system is worldwide and is the glue that holds world politics, societies together. You can't bring down the whole world, you have nothing to replace that old system with and no means to do anything on that scale, not that the people in power would ever give it up nor is there anyone above them to prosecute them. You can bring down a much smaller target such as the clinton foundation though, for that you don't need massive public awareness, memes, etc. you need concrete proof of wrongdoings that will hold up in courts, tons of money laundering, illegal drug and arms sales, etc. it's all there but you need to get proof and mount a case. 99.9999999999999% of people here are too dumb and lazy to do anything, and 3 other ones will just get shot if they try to do it.
▼ Godwillwin
The majority of people here are not that dumb. Come on. Give us a little credit
▼ Normality1
scrolling through the front few pages and especially through comments paints a rather different picture unfortunately. those whom you oppose are much smarter than you, have more resources and allies than you, and they have all the leverage against you. should they publish YOUR internet history? or should they just fabricate whatever they want to lock you up? should they accident you or buy you? should they change the laws however they want to fit their agenda? what are you going to do, downvote some upvote some? lol
▼ Godwillwin
I call bull on that. They can't arrest all of us on voat, Reddit and 4chan. There's way too many of us. And with Trump taking office, they're all going to be has beens - at least the ones in America. So what if they know my browsing history.
▼ DoughMallet
He's trying to kill morale. He just posted a hoax video. I don't even think he's a shill, well... not a paid one. He's just sickeningly weak and bereft of hope. Nobody wants to be at the bottom without company, so they try to drag others down. Even at the cost of human lives. It's sickening.
▼ Godwillwin
Right now while we wait in this state of limbo between the 2 administrations, we must keep hope. Also, I have belonged to a missing persons site called websleuths fir 6 years and from the several cases that I've followed, the FBI has said that they do rely on social media and do follow it for leads.
▼ belphegorsprime
This is a very defeatist attitude. You are claiming that the world cannot be changed. I beg to differ. The internet has catalyzed too many unprecedented phenomena to rule out success of a massive awareness campaign.
Even if your sole concern is with the Clinton Foundation, awareness is still extremely important. Please read up on the reasonable person standard . It can have material effect on the outcome of a case. Awareness matters.
▼ Normality1
you have awareness, what are you doing with it? you have posted a very defeatist "we are fading into obscurity" message. you are doing NOTHING literally and expecting the world to magically change. No, it won't change. There have been tons of these cases before, bigger, more blatant, more in your face evil, alllllllll of them just slowly swiped under the rug while you watch and do nothing. Tons of witness testimonies collected, organised, presented to police only for them to magically get lost, all while witnesses get shot by Dozens (dutroux case) and you just watched. I mean Jimmy Savile is dead and he is still a good guy :) EVERYONE KNOWS, YOU HAVE ALL THE AWARENESS... so go on son, do something, change the wolrd, bahahahaha!
▼ DoughMallet
Then why are you here?
▼ theyrcoming
It is still moving forward- behind the scene-but still forward Rudi is even in on it with us - had his acct deleted this morning They are opening Hillary's investigation up again Humas laptop is under investigation Rudi's archived page from twitter
▼ Normality1
This is a fake account, do you even internet?
▼ theyrcoming
do you 🅰🆂🆂🅷🅾🅻🅴
▼ GermanynamreG
Investigation again? Shoult have been investigated at the first place? FBI pants down on 20.1. or else w need to rebel.