EVERYTHING is linked to Pizzagate ( pizzagate )

submitted by smokemirrors

Guys, I understand the frustration of seemingly 'non-sequiturs' and the call for MODS on here to keep better control. In a way, though, isnt EVERYTHING linked to Pizzagate? Whether its false flags here or around the world, celebrities, Hollywood, arms dealing, drugs in South America, literally, ALL ROADS lead back to Pizzagate, that is, absolute corruption and exploitation at the heart of the political system. Someone posted a video about Joan Rivers being bumped off a few posts down and commentators have screamed 'irrelevancy'... actually, it IS pretty relevant to Pizzagate. A corrupt and covert operation as the first family in the White House, pushing the Gay and Transgender issues? Where else have we come across a DC based corrupt and covert operation? Oh yes. PIZZAGATE. (edited for spelling)

smokemirrors

You've done a ton of research it sounds! Nice. School and work gets in the way of most of mine, but I chip in when I can. Yes, apologies for sounding a little OTT in my post. As I explained to someone else down below, I think most posts are complimental. The trick is if folk (myself included!) try to post definitive proof that links whatever they are espousing to Pizzagate, it might lend a little more credence to 'everything is related'...thanks for replying.

smokemirrors

um, I AM calm, thanks. Projecting much? Don't like it, don't read it.

ads1241

Agreed Pizzagate is what grounded what seemed like tin-foil hat theories to reality. The thing with sticking to things that are only directly related to pizzagate is that:

1) It is much easier for the clean-up CTR crew (less content to screen through + less lateral connections made)

2) It prevents brainstorming that may lead to new discoveries via indirect connections

That being said I agree that, for example posting cat vids is unrelated to pizzagate and will not contribute to the investigation. Still having some people police this forum strictly and vigilantly reminds me of the thought police to some extent...

smokemirrors

Agreed and thank you. Yes obv, we don't want to digress too far from pgate with anomalous cat vids etc but other than the waffle-y anti Semitic trolls, I think most of what folk post here is complimental. Im particularly astounded to read about just how far the tentacles of the Clinton Foundation have reached. EDIT to include link: https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/corruption/the-noway-clinton-foundation-obama-links-corruption-to-create-world-war-iii/

KiRa2115

The world is run with blackmail. Mainly pedos but plenty of other stuff. Seems to be a reoccurring theme that the close kit main circle groups have heavy child trafficking links. children and abusing them seems to be their 'money' systems

Millennial_Falcon

Yes, technically, everything is linked to everything else, but that's an empty semantic argument. We need to have standards for submissions. Otherwise, useful content gets buried in bullshit shill posts.

smokemirrors

I'm with you, MF. Voat's refuge is more than any of us could even ask X

betadynamique

Solstice events. It's all about the timing of things.

ArthurEdens

All my confusion why the world never fixes itself is completely explained by pizzagate. The United States and every other government have all this money and manpower and never seem to solve anything. It all makes sense. They want it this way. They MAKE it this way.

wizlord

Of course not. I do wanna save as many kids as possible. To alienate anyone to the cause is absolutely not what I want and you are right about tackling issues one by one. I am just irritated at mods deleting anything that is not a bulletproof investigative report DIRECTLY linked to pizzas and pedos. I think there is a lot of stuff related that needs to be out there. For example, I posted a link to snuff puppets show and it got deleted. How is this not related to the depravity of our world and the explosition of disgusting things that are sexual in nature to kids. Whatever man.

wizlord

At some point these things will have to be addressed. Political correctness is killing us from the inside. I cant even say a word against feminism without being labelled a nazi or something. Ask yourself: How is that millions of people believe in the holocaust, believe being gay is normal and believe pizzagate is fake news...all those are coming from that black box you call TV. And no Im not christian. This is all divisive tactics. I know it sounds foolish to say that but thats what it is. By trying to make everyone normal so that everyone can be part of the pack and not wanna commit suicide, they are killing the uniqueness of the individuals. Im not against gays or against women, but to claim that women are equal to man is insane...the other way around too: man is not equal to women. Of course Im all for an equal salary for an equal job no matter your color, religion, sexual pref or gender.

wizlord

I agree that this would be used against us, but I disagree about the gay agenda having nothing to do with pizzagate. It does. You just wont admit it because a) you are gay or b) you think it will discredit the movement c) you have been brainwashed into believing that being gay was not only absolutely normal, it is something you should strive for. Being gay is not normal. Get over it.

BarryOSeven

Though it should be possible to discuss on a free speech forum it should not be immediately linked to pizzagate because the discussion is not finished. It will create noise in the already complex puzzle.

If you want to discuss if being gay is nature or nurture please do it in a separate thread not linked to pizzagate. If you do want to connect it to pizzagate do it in a separate thread with good arguments.

To solve a puzzle you should not add more pieces to the set. First solve what we have, the rest will come.

wizlord

Agreed.

DarkMath

No, all roads lead to the Clinton Foundation. PizzaGate is just the tip of a very big iceberg.

DarkMath

Have you seen the "Where is Eric Braverman" videos yet?

smokemirrors

have added to 'watch it' list and will do so tonight.

Strait8

Smokemirrors,

Yes, everything is in a broader sense than even some veteran autistics realize.

Clinton Foundation - it is the point which must be attacked and destroyed. Researchers here could literally save humanity from WWIII by exposing and destroying CF.

That is a reach right? No.

CF major donors Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Well know so,I won't bother to link that. Also well known that SA and Qatar provide support for ISIS in Syria. Why? Qatari propsed pipeline through SA-Jordon-Syria-Turkey to ultimately supply Europe with Qatari gas instead of Russian and Iranian gas.

Map of both proposed pipelines: https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-Jm91nkpyRnY%2FV9FQsu_ns4I%2FAAAAAAAACxQ%2Fr0eKYkyTrp4bupKiDSB8B2qalE2LC0ELQCLcB%2Fs640%2FIran%252BQatar%252Bgas%252Bpipelines%252Bthrough%252BSyria.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fian56.blogspot.com%2F2016%2F09%2Fwhy-are-us-and-uk-governments-waging.html&docid=monwnHdFax93TM&tbnid=JDHLVYuIVcIwLM%3A&vet=1&w=599&h=255&client=ms-android-verizon&bih=560&biw=360&q=qatari%20pipeline&ved=0ahUKEwimnLqKmIbRAhWJilQKHdc3DyMQMwgnKAwwDA&iact=mrc&uact=8

Aleppo and Palmrya are in the path of Qatari pipeline, there is no pipeline without the west's control of these 2 cities.

Foreign military advisors captured in Aleppo are from all countries who would benefit from the Qatari Pipeline.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/12/17/breaking-syrian-special-forces-captured-14-us-coalition-officers-captured-in-aleppo/&ved=0ahUKEwixpN_imIbRAhUpiFQKHVHhA4gQFggdMAE&usg=AFQjCNGNuZ9bXZLi1cSUMzloqJfjySPjkw&sig2=VGBwPNsTvUQh5H0WCAD0sQ

Obama is leaving and Clinton will not take office but, all the pieces are in place and you hear everyday the continued push to go into Syria. This will lead to a world war.

Be patient people, your time/place/platform will come. Be prepared with all your research. Be prepared mentally, physically and spiritually because when that time comes, gloves will be off on all sides and everyone will be playing for keeps.

I urge everyone, wherever you fit in the puzzle (researcher, planner, messenger, boots on ground) do what you are suited for, have patience and prepare. Your day will come. There will come a time and place where your message will not be able to be silenced. Build it, refine it. Make it as powerful as you can because the fate of humanity may rest upon it.

smokemirrors

Thanks Straight8. In my clumsy, perhaps arbitrary way, this is what I was trying to urge! These links are unbelievable.

Thakiddds

Yes

smokemirrors

I don't think Joan Rivers hated gays or transgenders; she wouldn't have had a career without them. One of pizzagate's central questions was the $65k worth of hotdogs/pizza. That involves questionable intent re Obama. You know what else entails questionable intent? Yup, your old friend Pizzagate.

Kiwi_Slave

Yes and we won't get anywhere until we name the enemy. This control of Senators with financial levers and threats of gossip was going on before Christ. It IS relevant.

"CICERO (Marcus Tullius Cicero). First century B.C. Roman statesman, writer. “Softly! Softly! I want none but the judges to hear me. The Jews have already gotten me into a fine mess, as they have many other gentleman. I have no desire to furnish further grist for their mills.”

Cannibalism also: DIO CASSIUS. Second century Roman historian. Describing the savage Jewish uprising against the Roman empire that has been acknowledged as the turning point downward in the course of that great state-form: “The Jews were destroying both Greeks and Romans. They ate the flesh of their victims, made belts for themselves out of their entrails, and daubed themselves with their blood… In all, 220,000 men perished in Cyrene and 240,000 in Cyprus, and for this reason no Jew may set foot in Cyprus today.”

more at https://vidrebel.wordpress.com/

UglyTruth

ALL ROADS lead back to Pizzagate

All roads lead to Rome?

http://forum.clonehost.net/topic/70/the-last-pope-and-the-name-of-the-lord

smokemirrors

Well, yes, you're correct. Sigh.

Kiwi_Slave

Les Visible is that you?

smokemirrors

No! But I love that username and now I'm intrigued. Who is this person? Someone as great as me?

UglyTruth

I think a fingerprint in a heart is a pretty creepy symbol, but it's hard to know for sure if it means anything.

massconception

Yes, I find the new strict rules are counterproductive as soon as I read them. They leave absolutely zero amount of room for what would be considered "brain storming", or "throwing ideas out there", which are exactly what you need when things start to run a little "cold" an in investigation. It was very rude for the mod to show up making that demand while also seeming impartial. Whoever asked for that demand or for this mod to come around is counterproductive to pizzagate, no matter how much they congratulate his or her self on being a staunch supporter.

2impendingdoom

its not just the demand for relevancy that distracts from the conversation (in some cases the connection is obvious, yet the questioner remains unreasonable) its the down voating that goes with it. This is pure contention and distracts from the investigations.

massconception

I agree. I held up this contention a few days before the recent mass downvoating. People in this sub who don't ra-ra PG like it's a religion replete with doctrinal beliefs never gets an upvote and often gets a downvote.

I hope my point has been made a bit more clear now that there's a nice, contentious-yet-orthodox background to show stark contrast.

2impendingdoom

I think we are here, and all in this together, is because we want to find the extent of the corruption and get justice served for the victims. Anyone in this forum who acts contrary to that is obstructing our efforts, and the freedom of speech that we rely on for our work. The rules work as guidelines but pizzagate is a nomenclature for global schemes involving any kind of systemic corruption undertaken by abuse of authority. It is most egregious where it involves abuse of children but that is probably just one aspect of a larger network of criminality. Downvoating or calling for mods because the thread is not about a pizzashop is contrary to the pursuit of pizzagate investigations. All of us here are intelligent enough to decide for ourselves what is of interest and how it relates, and what not to pursuit. I suggest that for the many repeating threads we can simply and politely direct the poster to use the search and move on without voating one way or another, and to keep the titles as descriptive as possible.

massconception

That sounds largely parallel to my own line of thinking. And I like that you stress how everything we find is not always going to come anywhere close to a pizza restaurant.

Well, that kind of pokes a big hole in pizzagate now that I think about it. Pizzagate's "planetoid" if you will is James Alefantis and the Comet Ping Pong establishment. Which, under entirely other circumstances seems like a crazy sort of place that I would enjoy eating pizza at if I ever dared to even set foot in DC, except for the ping pong. I fucking hate ping pong, because I find it boring and ludicrous, and far too constrained. I don't dislike net games overall: I'm good at volleyball and I love badminton. If their sport of choice were volleyball or badminton I would have to excuse myself from the investigation because I'd be laughing too much. CPP seems like a synthesis of art-pop and "underground aesthetics" that I enjoy, having frequented a lot of the underground music and art scenes in my own locale.

One thing I do want to stress, though, is that those music and art scenes I've visited do contain sketchy persons who make one too many sick pedo jokes for me to be comfortable with them. Sadly this kind of sense of "humour" is bird of feather with the alternative lifestyle scene, meaning many of my gay/trans/tranny friends rub elbows with people I suspect of being sick perverts. Suffice it to say I've been out of that scene for quite some time as it became I was offending a lot of my closer friends with outbursts against "faggots". Nothing hurts worse than being in a car full of bisexuals going to a club and blurting out something about "those faggots" and having your close friends all go "yeah. fucking faggots" and knowing that you just made them all feel like human shit.

What I'm saying is, the focus has become larger than Alefantis' weird little Satanic Daycare Pizzeria, and therefore pizzagate itself is no longer strictly pizzagate at this point in time, as you point out so well. Which means some of the more important newer discoveries, dealing with things such as "why the hell are so many island-based orphanages and human trafficking headquarters even in existence let alone seemingly all complicit", or "how does this relate to Norway and Hillary Clinton", are off-topic and yet precisely on-topic.

It's a conundrum. Maybe pizzagate needs to be cut from the directory tree (I presume there is one) and turned into a subdirectory of a larger topic. It would get the investigators here turned onto the larger pursuit of figuring out the global pedophilia cult.

2impendingdoom

For me its curling. How is that a real sport?? And your question, Which means some of the more important newer discoveries, dealing with things such as "why the hell are so many island-based orphanages and human trafficking headquarters even in existence let alone seemingly all complicit" its seems the more of them (orphanages) there are, the higher the number of missing children, wouldn't anyone expect those statistics to GO DOWN? I don't think there should be any splinter subs, we should make more effort adding to the wiki. I am not and I should be.

gopluckyourself

As the user who is doing all of this I would like to say I'm doing it to try to keep everyone at the very least to keep asking questions and make the post about pizzagate. Joan Rivers transgender fake death (trump in video) is not about pizzagate. Hence I asked mods to delete it. Minimal effort to relate it to pizzagate I believe is needed otherwise we're in /v/whatever
edit: also the rules aren't new they've been there for a while. I'm just helping point out their violations.

massconception

I disdain to see that a simple explanation like this has been downvoted. When my 24 hours have come around, much later tonight, I will spend 3 points here to bring it to positive 1.

massconception

It seems I misunderstood the purpose of the new sticky regarding rules and the oversight of a presumably new mod. The whole thing smacked of hostile takeover.

And I still maintain that the rules as they are could be - stressing "could" - destructive. But... I re-read them and they could also - stressing "could", not "will" - be interpreted in a loose manner that still allows for brainstorming and wild speculation.

[edit] There's nothing wrong with adding an "amendment" (an "exception" if you will) that broadly outlines brainstorming efforts and other speculative efforts while also re-iterating how they must remain on-topic and not simply orbit pizzagate from a distance.

gopluckyourself

I like the inclusion of a brainstorming rule my main beef tho is people not putting any effort into posts.
I'm talking to the design mod about if a tagging and filtering system can be put in place similar to the eddit/r/overwatch implementation. So that oh hell here's the message I sent him.
"post tagging and sorting by post tagging would make the sub easier to navigate and would negate the need for seperate subs for different topics. Would also allow mods to be more lenient with the rules"

massconception

Too bad there's not a metavoat similar to the convoluted systems thrust out by Slashdot, something similar to "karma points", where a person can earn bad karma for being off-topic.

Hell. Maybe this entire place should ask slashdot for their framework and just come up with a script to convert the database over.

smokemirrors

I agree, it does sometimes seem as though the topics go off track, but I still believe in the degrees of separation. interesting for me is that if Joan knew and thought that about the obamas, how many other powerful players in entertainment think/feel the same? That Obama is gay and Michelle is transgender, specifically. Would be interesting to see the celebrity body count over the next few months/years and hear how many of those opened their traps. RIP Andrew Breitbart.

samhara

Study the video and look at the evidence yourself before you make a judgment.

samhara

Apparently Joam Rivers was faked death. They are all hoaxers.

This speaks to they way they love to mock "the little people" / The people who mean nothing. The people whom they abuse, steal from, murder and laugh at. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aoz-9BZj-kQ -

This is in the context of "fake - deathening" happening many many times. They wanted people to think "it was because" she allegedly exposed Mrs. Obama as a tranny. And that would scare people. They would think that someone could get killed for that - and so keep quiet or be intimidated.

gopluckyourself

I agree ask these questions in the posts tho. Tell me your thoughts and how you think it connects.

smokemirrors

Thank you much for your supportive and intelligent response. I am immensely grateful to Voat for giving everyone a platform to espouse views on this topic (LOL, even though my other half is convinced its CIA-owned and now they have our IP address, are going to come storming into our apartment any day now and suicide us)<--digression, sorry! But there needs to be better moderation here. Also, the ability for links and pics to show up in the 'response' fields, because the constant clicking and diversion to a new page, then having to hit 'back' to return to Voat, is getting to be a bit much.