"Spirit Cooking" isn't what you think it is ( pizzagate )

submitted by atheist4thecause

I've come across some information recently about "Spirit Cooking", and it's not what most people think it is:

Summary of Spirit Cooking: https://www.moma.org/collection/works/143945 ( https://archive.is/aRNMp) )

Different recipes, many of which seem to be completely innocent (or at least non-Satanist): http://www.editionjs.com/img/abramovic/ ( https://archive.is/O5rCj) )

Also, they hypothesis goes that Marina Abramovic is a Satanic occult leader for very powerful elites that are getting guidance about pedophilia, human sacrifice, etc. I would expect someone that holds this many serious secrets to be extremely rich. Instead, she's worth a relatively modest $10M: http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/actors/marina-abramovic-net-worth/ ( https://archive.is/Ndb1c) )

Marina Abramovic originally came of interest in a WikiLeaks Podesta email where she was mentioned and emailing about going to a private party for Spirit Cooking: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/15893

Despite many people looking into her, there has not been any solid connection between her and #PizzaGate outside of this email.

atheist4thecause

If only more people understood and admitted this.

Kalani

I don't think anyone accused her of doing this in her performance art but it is playing with real occult beliefs like the writings of Aleister Crowley. Spirit cooking has been around alot longer than ambramovic. I think it definitely leads ppl down the path to thelema or like minded rituals intentionally

think_whatif

Though contrary to my own current opinion, this is a well articulated article:

The Occult World of Marina Abramović - http://aristocratsofthesoul.com/occult-world-of-marina-abramovic

21yearsofdigging

I am an artist and I can tell you that from my experiences in Los Angeles and New York, there is among some, a very dark satanic element reflected in their art. I declined invitations to their gatherings but people in the art world know about this. Please, don't be so naive. If it looks like smells like it and has blood dripping off of it....

atheist4thecause

Offer me the evidence.

21yearsofdigging

Yeah, well I snuck in the back door and have a video of a young child on an alter. Go f yourself, I am expressing my opinion from experience. Next you'll be asking me for a valid drivers licence.

Forgetmenot

I have a question: 1. What exactly are you suggesting with your links about spirit cooking? What truth are you trying to prove? 2. Are you trying to disprove something with the links you provjded, if so exactly what? I find myself confused about your theory you are proposing or debunking.

atheist4thecause

I'm trying to show that Spirit Cooking is much broader than most people realize. It has many recipes, and most of them have nothing to do with Satanism. Up to this point, people have been posting misleading information by cherry-picking one recipe and then saying that recipe defines what Spirit Cooking is. They then say that Spirit Cooking is about Satanism, but if that were true, wouldn't all of the recipes be about Satanism?

Forgetmenot

Pizzagate has moved on from abromavich go back to hanging out with your friends valued at 10 mil, or more. This investigation is about saving children from torture! You are more worried about that over privelidged disgusting untalented witch who uses the label of art to get away with things that would have anyone else locked up in an insane asylum. The things the rich get away with shock me! if You seem to care more about that low class old woman's reputation and justifying her arti than rescuing children? Because that is how you sound. Set your priorities, abromovich is a non issue and she only has herself to blame if her reputation is damaged.

atheist4thecause

I suggest you read the other comments in this thread if you think everybody has moved on from her. My priorities include removing false leads from the equation. Don't you try to do remove false leads? If not, don't you care about rescuing children?

Forgetmenot

Nothing is false yet, it is still in discovery stage there is not even a search warrant or an official investigation. When did you investigate and make a complete determination. You are trying to sway public opinion with weak arguments that lack reasoning or coherence. The investigation has only begun, nowhere near concluded and only then when a full accounting of the evidence is analyzed can a judge or a jury say innocent or guilty. In fact abromavich is not even afforded the presumption of innocence until she is charged. In the eyes of the public she is a low class trashy woman who plays with bodily fluids who is put on a pedestal by pedofiles and cannabils that eat baby penises. She seems very very guilty and very very involved. When the investigation is formalized she will be afforded the right to an attorney and a presumption of innocence. You are out of your league here.

atheist4thecause

"False lead" means something that does not fit with a hypothesis, which is a part of a hypothesis investigation. I also think it's disingenuous to say this investigation has only just begun. Thousands and thousands of people have been investigating for months. Possibly hundreds of thousands. Much of it is data collection from what people had been putting out there for years. Some agencies have been involved as well, and we're seeing pedophile rings fall at a rate I've never seen in my lifetime, with many of the tip-offs coming from the USA. Keep puffing up your chest, because you don't know what you are talking about.

Forgetmenot

What is the hypothesis? A false lead? Abromavich is a false lead though she was in fact the gate that revealed the canabilism pedofilia organ harvesting trafficking corruption blackmail. I don't call that a false lead I call that a major connection. You might wish it was false because that would mean she would not have to stand before a grand jury and testify but the pizzagate will come to light whether you like it or not everything in darkness will come to light....amen those children will be avenged.they are crying for justice.

Forgetmenot

The lead is not false it was abromovichs invitation to podesta for her spirit cooking event. In fact based on your defense and shilling for abromavich it is clear that she needs to be further investigated. You are clearly as disgusting and low class as she is. Abromavich is filthy and belongs in the insane asylum. In addition why does she associate with so many pedofiles and sexual degenerates? She was the gateway to pizzagate. As for you thank you CTR for showing us exactly where to dig. Thank you for confirming that this scum witch needs to further investigated. Go back and hang out with your poor 10 million dollar worth friends. Go find a forum of like minded people. You don't belong in pizzagate. No one agrees with you and everyone sees through your tactics. Abromavich should have been more particular of the company she keeps. There is an old saying tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are. Be careful and selective of the company you keep: one day this might come back to haunt you too.

atheist4thecause

I don't think you know what "false lead" means.

atheist4thecause

Okay, so you don't actually think she's doing anything wrong, she's just an occult artist that hangs around rich Democrats. Do we really even disagree then? I'm basically saying that Spirit Cooking has more recipes than most people talk/know about, and that there isn't much evidence of her being directly involved. It seems that we agree.

BerksResident

I personally seen a photo of the Crowley devotee witch holding a +_ 7 month old naked baby girl and pointing to the baby's private parts. For obvious reasons I was not able to save and share the image. This is not OK with me or the majority of people on here. Everything about her shrieks occult/canabilism. I don't know why atheist4thecorse is trying so hard to defend her, perhaps you have been appointed her PR and realise you've backed a loser.

atheist4thecause

I'm defending her because I think that the evidence points more towards her not being involved than being involved at this point (unless new evidence comes forward). If I was on her PR team then I'd actually get paid. :p

BerksResident

The picture with her holding a naked baby (not hers) and pointing at its privates, clearly links her to child pornography (pizzagate)

atheist4thecause

Well, I said wrong-doing. So if there's no wrong-doing, why is she a person of interest?

think_whatif

Well said.

atheist4thecause

Well, other people were talking about it whether you know about it or not. It's not my hypothesis. So what exactly is Marina Abramovic's wrong-doing here then?

atheist4thecause

Source please. Someone else posted her actual words if you want to look through it and it wasn't this. She was basically explaining when something is art and not art (a true dichotomy). She wasn't necessarily explaining when something was literally satanic or not satanic. And it's not surprising that her dichotomy was about art, since after all, her expertise is as an artist.

msgtw123

Yeah, that twitter account where she uses 666 (must be an accident she picked those numbers), carving the pentagram into herself, the pic with the goats head, her own spirit cooking recipe (with blood, semen, breast milk), Alefantis speaking at Tony Podesta's house with an image of Ambramovic playing behind him mean absolutely nothing. Its all rainbows and unicorns. Also who is the "they" you are talking about?

atheist4thecause

Please read what I've said to others about how you're talking about one of many spirit cooking recipes. You're ignoring the completely innocent ones and cherry-picking one single recipe. I've addressed pretty much everything you've said here to other people.

Kwijibo

It is often that case in situations like this that there is an innocent public side of the story and a covert side.

atheist4thecause

Okay, so prove the covert side. There's no much actual evidence to prove that connection from what I've seen. Basically, she said art is only art with proper context, people jumped to a conclusion on what that meant, and then there was an email of her going to a private supper.

think_whatif

Marina Abramović - satanic imagery, symbology and iconography:

http://alexanderhiggins.com/spirit-cooking-hillarys-satanic-sex-ritual-describe-pictures-video/

atheist4thecause

Okay, so a lot of that stuff has absolutely nothing to do with Satanism, and it's the same stuff repeated over and over and over to make it look like there is more information than there really is. So a lot of those pictures where she is beat up actually has to do with a performance she did. She laid out a bunch of items and told people they could do whatever they wanted to her with the items. One of the items was a loaded gun btw, to give you an idea of how extreme her body art can be. In another performance, she almost died. These kinds of extreme body art that many, MANY artists do, does not prove that she's a satanic religious leader of the elites. Sure, there's some imagery in there which can be viewed as satanic, and that can count for something, but I don't see how that's enough to make the leap people are making because there are alternate explanations. But much of what is on this site is not Satanic at all, and I don't see the pedophilia thing you were talking about.

think_whatif

"a lot of that stuff has absolutely nothing to do with Satanism"

Yes, but lot of it does.

atheist4thecause

Okay, so lets take the performance where she carved a pentagram into her stomach. What do you think that performance was about?

think_whatif

And I've never mentioned pedophilia as it pertains to Marina Abramović.

Though I do find the splashing of the blood/semen/breast milk mixture onto the child-like effigy to be of great concern.

think_whatif

From the Marina Abramović AMA at Reddit:

Marina!, What place do you see the occult having within contemporary art; can magick be made (not simply appropriated/ performed)? Thanks, K

"Everything depends on which context you are doing what you are doing. If you are doing the occult magic in the context of art or in a gallery, then it is the art. If you are doing it in different context, in spiritual circles or private house or on TV shows, it is not art. The intention, the context for what is made, and where it is made defines what art is or not."

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1jctbp/i_am_performance_artist_marina_abramovic_ask_me/cbdebyl/?st=ix0r5914&sh=47d12799

Marina Abramović is a practicing occultist involved in the supernatural, the paranormal, supernaturalism, magic, black magic, witchcraft, sorcery, necromancy, wizardry, the black arts,, diabolism, devil worship, devilry, voodoo, hoodoo, white magic, witchery, mysticism.

atheist4thecause

The intention, the context for what is made, and where it is made defines what art is or not .

I think this is key. She's talking about what defines art or not. So she's saying that if you do the same performance at an art exhibit and then in a private house, it's art in the art exhibit and not in the private house. That does not necessarily mean, however, that Spirit Cooking in a private home (most recipes which have nothing to do with blood, semen, breast milk, or anything like that btw), is necessarily done for literal human sacrifice or anything like that. For instance, you could file it under entertainment. You could file it under spirituality as she mentioned. You could file it under education. It depends on who is doing it and why.

And still, you have not dealt with any of the evidence I have presented. Spirit Cooking is not just the one recipe that you saw the Youtube video of. Are you ever going to attempt to deal with that?

think_whatif

"For instance, you could file it under entertainment."

Or I could file in under occult or satanic practices.

Your tone is condescending.

The question is: are you ever going to deal with the Spirit Cooking video?

atheist4thecause

Yes, if you have the proper evidence that this was the recipe they were using and had evidence of the context on why they were doing it. You don't have that evidence, though. And quit trying to distract from the actual information by talking about my "tone".

The question is: are you ever going to deal with the Spirit Cooking video?

I knew about the Spirit Cooking video months ago and watched it in full multiple times.

Forgetmenot

Are you a fan of her spirit cooking? If so then you are biased and you would not be objective in your investigation.

atheist4thecause

No. I had never seen her art in my life and knew nothing about her before #PizzaGate.

Forgetmenot

her contribution to pizzagate was she was mentioned in the wiki leaks of john podesta. She was a minor player but once the investigation uncovered spirit cooking (canabilism) a barrage of questions came forward. Why are the political elite supporting a controversial artist that offends so many of the constituents? Why is john podesta fascinated with canibalism? One thing led to another and the whole pizzagate has been unfolding....If not for abromavich we would never have known about pizzagate. On a side note where there is smoke there is fire and she descends from a geneology of witches pedofiles and blood drinkers. She is wealthy and is valued by the political elite. I will add the link in a sec. Also remember the pic of alefantis and podesta at their birthday of a baby penis. I will dig that one up too if you have not seen it...it ties back to cooking and eating humans, in other words spirit cooking. Let's all thank abrimavich for helping to expose the pizzagate cover up!

atheist4thecause

It's not true to say that if not for Abramovic we wouldn't have known about #PizzaGate. #PizzaGate started because of the Podesta emails that included different foods that looked like a pedophile code. It didn't originally have anything to do with Satanism.

Forgetmenot

Why are you trying to limit the scope of pizzagate first to pedofilia and then say that spirit cooking is not part of the scope of pizzagate? This is a tactic used by defense attorney and media to steer public opinion. Pizzagate is an evolving and growing investigation. No one has defined pizzagate to pedofilia. Please provide a source that say pizzagate is only specifically about pedofilia code words. In fact I would say that is what fake news does and that is how hey say they debunk it. You remind me of Megan Kelly. But you will not be allowed to spew your garbage and false fallacies here. I have gone to the trouble to include the original email of spirit cooking and yes it started with abromavich and code words, and alefantis and ping pong and now it is known to be a global ring of political leaders . We see through your word games and nonsense, people here are awake to those tactics that have worked in the past to unsuspecting people. Go back in your lair and report back to your coven that you failed you are unconvincing and full of lies. Abromavich will be continued to be investigated. Ask her for mercy you will get no mercy here shame on you.

Subject: Dinner Dear Tony, I am so looking forward to the Spirit Cooking dinner at my place. Do you think you will be able to let me know if your brother is joining? All my love, Marina -- ABRAMOVIC LLC

atheist4thecause

Why don't you stop with the straw man attacks? They are getting old. I'm simply trying to get down to the truth. Also, please state one lie (knowingly telling a falsehood) that I've said.

Forgetmenot

you don't know any other tricks do you? Your word games are weak. I am still waiting for the proof that pizzagate is limited to code words. Let me know when you can supply that. That was your premise wasn't it?Your lie: that pizzagate is not limited to code words, therefore spirit cooking is not pizzagate. You start with a false statement to prove a false statement. I call a spade a spade. A lie is a lie, nothing will make it true whether you state it knowingly or not. The mental gymnastics that you evil people play in order to avoid a sense of responsibility for your actions shame on you. Right and wrong are simple and clear cut you can make all the excuses and false fallacies to try to avoid responsibility and moral shame but it is what it is. Pizzagate includes spirit cooking and it includes canabilism and pedofilia and blackmail and trafficking. And organ harvesting. And you dare say the investigation has made conclusions and finished connecting dots? You have given everyone here an understanding of the loops these evil perpetrators jump through to justify themselves publicly. I have often wondered how they can live with them selves doing what they do, but you have shown us how it is done. Simply by compartmentalizjng it and lieing so many times eventually you start believeing it. I have a question Did you help Megan Kelly prepare for her interview of alefantis? Stop with the damage control shit and join some pedo file forum or go join some filthy semen and blood drinking baby penis eating group go back to huff post or better yet CNN would love you. No one believes you here. Knowing or unknowing stating a lie is a lie even if you call it by any other name. Lie is a lie and as long as you try to mislead investigators and play smoke and mirrors: it remains a lie misleading people and creating doubt for no other purpose but to let the guilty avoid justice, well we can see your true colors and where your priorities lie.

atheist4thecause

I didn't say #PizzaGate is limited to code words. I said that's where it all started. You have convinced yourself that I'm anti-#PizzaGate investigation just because I'm sometimes critical. That could not be further from the truth. I am a part of the #PizzaGate investigation, which sometimes includes debunking misinformation, or exposing information that is being interpreted wrongly by my estimation. I've also gathered #PizzaGate investigators, caught them up to speed, and let them spread their wings in their own ways. I've been a part of this for months, so it gets a little tiresome when people like you try to talk to people like me as if we are anti-#PizzaGate. You keep saying I'm lying, but I have not lied once, and you cannot give me of one example of when I lied. And if you're going to try to insult me by asking if I helped "Megan Kelly" prepare, at least spell Megyn Kelly's name correctly. You know, any investigation should be able to stand up to criticism. Many here have no problem with criticism, but you clearly do. That tells me you are a nobody, and you have no value here.

Forgetmenot

I purposely spelled that nasty woman's name wrong and yes I am nobody too. You are arguing with a nobody and you cannot convince even a nobody that abromavich the poor woman only valued 10 mil is not part of pizzagate. You have debunked nothing to even a nobody. Your insults make my day. You must be a somebody....oh wow impressive. A real mover and shaker in the pizzagate world.

atheist4thecause

I have no doubt that I cannot convince you of anything that you do not already agree with.

SheSaidDestroy

Most of it would seem benign or at most edgelordish to me, if it weren't for the part where she splatters real or symbolic (paint) blood on a child effigy in the corner.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9ys-Lfu4Sc

And in addition to the other things she paints on the walls, she does paint

SPIRIT COOKING

So this is spirit cooking to her, and again it includes heavily splattering real or fake blood onto the child effigy in the corner.

Now even that all by itself could be interpreted as just some edgy art stuff, except that she has direct connections to people in political power, like John Podesta.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/15893

Like I'm not sure what you think that we think Spirit Cooking is, but she spells it out pretty clearly that, for her, it's a recipe of semen, breast milk, etc, self-mutilation instructions and for some reason involves the symbolic element of a child being splattered in blood.

Why are people in powerful political connections getting together for this?

This email heavily implies that Tony Podesta actually went and that Marina has spent time with John Podesta before: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/25325

Don't worry Marina missed you Tony

People in powerful political positions (I mean look up the Podestas, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podesta_Group) ) get together for this ritual, why? Do they believe in it? Is it a symbolic cover for something? What explanation is there that doesn't reek of these powerful people either being into the occult or worse?

And then when you look at the Podestas' taste in art, it's like.. there is a trend here, yeah?

As far as relevance to the pizzagate investigation, I might dismiss it if it wasn't for the part, again, splattering real or fake blood all over a child effigy in a corner.

atheist4thecause

Look at the recipes in my link. Many of them don't even include blood. That was basically one performance of one recipe, but that actually isn't what Spirit Cooking is more broadly. It's a snapshot of one recipe, and people ignore this. If Spirit Cooking is about Satanism, why do so many of the recipes having nothing to do with Satanism?

Like I'm not sure what you think that we think Spirit Cooking is, but she spells it out pretty clearly that, for her, it's a recipe of semen, breast milk, etc, self-mutilation instructions and for some reason involves the symbolic element of a child being splattered in blood.

Ah, so it's clear, you really didn't even click the links. Why are you even bothering to respond when you didn't even read what my post was about? What you are explaining Spirit Cooking to be is exactly what I was thinking you thought it was. In fact, you are wrong. That is one recipe. There are many more that have nothing to do with blood, semen, or any of that. For instance:

Spit inside your naval

until the lake is filled

lie motionless

listen to the heartbeat

of a dog

Where's the blood, semen, or breast milk in that one? Where's the self-mutilation?

People in powerful political positions (I mean look up the Podestas, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podesta_Group)) )) get together for this ritual, why?

We actually have no evidence that this is the specific ritual they got together for, but of course, you don't know that because you refuse to even bother clicking the link before responding to see the other recipes. And if she's hiding all these secrets, why is she not worth more than $10M? That's about the worth I would expect a top artist to have.

And then when you look at the Podestas' taste in art, it's like.. there is a trend here, yeah?

We're talking about Marina, not the Podestas. If you create a flimsy foundation and then make a connection to others and say she's guilty by association then you end up with something very flimsy. If there was something that was a strong connection okay, but you haven't explained anything that is any sort of strong connection.

As far as relevance to the pizzagate investigation, I might dismiss it if it wasn't for the part, again, splattering real or fake blood all over a child effigy in a corner.

So to be clear, you might dismiss her connection if it wasn't for one aspect (blood splattered on a child effigy) of one performance of one cherry-picked recipe that completely ignores all of the other very innocent recipes. Just think about that.

notdivided

you are being silly. If a serial killer also flips burgers does that make them not a serial killer? YOU are the one cherry picking. Look at the context of abramovic, her work, her own writings and interviews, she is a satanist or occult obsessed. You cannot cherry pick a couple of obscure poems that "aren't obviously satanist" and throw out the balance of the evidence. You aren't fooling anyone.

I know I have read she says she was inspired by the book of thelema (satanist) when she came up with spirit cooking. It's pretty obvious she is talking about this Cake of Light part of it:

http://archive.is/THoA1

http://archive.is/82AG4

http://archive.is/by7Ar

atheist4thecause

I'm the one cherry-picking because I'm looking at all of the recipes instead of just one?

SheSaidDestroy

So sassy.

The only difference is that you are referencing a book by her.

I am referencing what I have actually seen her do, on camera.

And I did look at the book pages you linked, but they don't make a case for you. Your claim is that, ""Spirit Cooking" isn't what you think it is" presumably referring to all of us at once.

Are you getting extra sassy with me because I engaged you in a respectful and thoughtful debate, with video evidence? Hmm?

It seems like the way you think is..

  1. Apples are a type of fruit.

  2. Peaches are a type of fruit.

  3. Therefore since peaches are fruit, apples are not fruit.

But that's.. not how most of us think here.

atheist4thecause

I'm not getting "sassy" with you at all. I'm asking you to deal with the information, or at least look at it, which you clearly did not. If you had, you wouldn't have parroted the information of the one recipe without even attempting to address the other recipes. Also, your analogy is so ridiculous I'm not even going to bother with it.

SheSaidDestroy

your analogy is so ridiculous I'm not even going to bother with it.

You're not going to bother with it, because you're being illogical and got backed into a corner. Is it so hard to just gracefully concede on a debate when that happens?

Your stance was that spirit cooking isn't what we think it is, specifically referring to what I described.

Your evidence was other examples of what she calls spirit cooking.

That doesn't show that spirit cooking isn't what we think it is. It just shows that she has some pages in a book of other things that she also calls spirit cooking, in addition to what we have focused on primarily (as shown in the video).

My analogy is very fitting.

Have a nice day.

atheist4thecause

Your stance was that spirit cooking isn't what we think it is, specifically referring to what I described.

Yes, because it's much broader. People think that the one recipe is Spirit Cooking, when that's really just an individual recipe, and it's not what Spirit Cooking is more broadly. It's like pointing to a room and saying it's a house. Well, the room is a part of the house, but it's not the house.

I think it's very telling how hung up on the title you are, rather than the facts.

think_whatif

There is something disturbing about Marina Abramović:

https://vimeo.com/36061419 Kreëmart at the MoCA Annual Gala 11/12/11

https://youtu.be/3EsJLNGVJ7E MARINA ABRAMOVIC SPIRIT COOKING

https://astairwaytofashion.com/2014/07/21/marina-abramovic-crystal-renn-for-vogue-ukraine-august-2014/

Obviously, there is a personal relationship between Marina Abramović, lobbyist Tony Podesta (his bizarre artwork collection http://imgur.com/a/pdAVd) ) and his brother former White House Chief of Staff and chairman of the 2016 Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, John Podesta.

I find it disturbing that Abramović would casually invite Tony and John to a Spirit Cooking dinner.

Everything about her reeks of Aleister Crowley Luciferianism, exactly the shit that D.C. and Hollywood have been claimed to have been tied to for years.

Her, now deleted, original Twitter name was AbramovicM666.

atheist4thecause

1) I know her Twitter name had 666 in it, but that's not a very strong connection.

2) Did you even look at my links? In one, it clearly shows many Spirit Cooking recipes which have nothing to do with Satanism.

3) Lots of people have connections to Tony Podesta. She's a top artist and he's a rich, powerful art buyer. It's not that surprising.

So we're left with your vimeo and astairwaytofashion articles, and I've seen them before, but I'll try to find out more information about them.

notdivided

OP would link to candle in a satanist store and exclaim "it's not all satanist! SEE! They are selling candles."

atheist4thecause

And you would say, "See! I knew they were involved in a Satanic pedophile sex ring!"

think_whatif

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

atheist4thecause

Instead of falsely accusing me of being a shill, why don't you do any research at all. If you had you'd realize I'm not a shill. I'm interested in getting down to the truth. False leads don't get to the truth, and misrepresenting Spirit Cooking doesn't help. When you read the other recipes you quickly realize it's not about Satanism at all, even though that's the narrative. In your eyes is everybody a shill that attempts to debunk what they perceive as a false lead, and doing so with evidence? I noticed that you didn't even attempt to refute any evidence I brought up. I find it worrisome how many people are just writing off my post with no counter-arguments in a movement that is supposed to be about investigating fairly. A fair investigation is why I'm here, why are you here?

KansasJakeBG

How much money would you need to pay all your bills for the rest of your life so you could dedicate yourself to your art? It's probably less that 10 million dollars.

waxdino

Relatively modest $10M, seriously? I don't think I know one person worth $1M.

Forgetmenot

Had to upvoat this . I was thinking the same thing. OP: you must be so wealthy that you don't realize most people subsist on an income under 50,000. 10 mil is considered wealthy by common every day Americans.

Orange_Circle

In her own Reddit AMA she claimed that Spirit Cooking was real when done in private, but art when done in public.

She is pictured eating off a woman's body and had herself photographed in a pedophilliac image where she covered the face of a shirtless young boy with her hand while holding him close to her body.

She was also featured on James Alefantis Instagram.

pizzathrowaway

that's not what she said.

atheist4thecause

Sources?

Orange_Circle

Marina Abramovic eating off a woman's body: https://archive.is/5CVec

atheist4thecause

Yeah, but we're not even sure that's a real person at this point. And we don't know what that liquid is, either.

Orange_Circle

It was a real person. She ate off her. In fact, there was a little hubbub in the art world that condemned her for using people in such a fashion at a big dinner she had. I think it was the one where she arranged for Debbie Harry to mock cannibalize herself.

Orange_Circle

Marina Abramovic with shirtless little boy, covering his eyes, clasping his body. https://archive.is/JqiVh

atheist4thecause

That is not a pedophile picture.

Forgetmenot

It's a disturbing suggestive picture with a shirtless minor.

atheist4thecause

Far from pedophilia, which was the claim.

Forgetmenot

Pizzagate is not limited to pedofilia it is murder, trafficking, pedofilia, canabilism, occult ritual, blackmail. The list is huge, and yes the filth abromavich is part of that and is held in high esteem by the principal players. This is still in discovery stages. Investigators leave no stone unturned, keep an open mind, and do make premature conclusions. Every day we learn more and more try to keep an open mind about your little hero that you are defending. I bet the pizzagate investigators have only begun to scratch the surface.

Orange_Circle

Marina Abramovic on Alefantis Instagram. https://archive.is/pi0DK

atheist4thecause

Okay, I remember that. Again, no big deal unless there is some sort of code here.

Orange_Circle

[–]abramovicinstituteMARINA ABRAMOVIC[S] 28 points 3 years ago Everything depends on which context you are doing what you are doing. If you are doing the occult magic in the context of art or in a gallery, then it is the art. If you are doing it in different context, in spiritual circles or private house or on TV shows, it is not art. The intention, the context for what is made, and where it is made defines what art is or not.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1jctbp/i_am_performance_artist_marina_abramovic_ask_me/cbdebyl/

atheist4thecause

Yeah, she's talking about when something is considered art or not after someone asked her about it. Also, the questioner probably is a fan of hers and believes black magick actually exists, so it would make sense for Marina not to say that black magick doesn't exist.

Orange_Circle

I am not personally invested in whether or not Marina Abramovic is a real witch or just fancies herself one. But the point is that she ascribes occult power to her rituals.

atheist4thecause

Even if I grant that for the sake of argument, what does that have to do with being directly tied to #PizzaGate in some nefarious way?

Orange_Circle

It's the email that started the whole thing.

atheist4thecause

It's the pizza/food emails that started the whole thing.

Orange_Circle

Totally agree.

wgvdl

see above (posting of @think_whatif ).

Criticalthinker615

Bullshit. ..and btw money is only a means to an end. It isn't needed when you have other means to that same end ie demons doing your bidding....and 10 million is still too much for one person

atheist4thecause

Well, how about dealing with the evidence I presented instead of just calling it bullshit?

atheist4thecause

Sorry, but two images of a cannibalism art performance is not evidence that she's the leader of the Satanic occult many within #PizzaGate have hypothesized. You have not dealt with any of the points I brought up. Most of the Spirit Cooking recipes have nothing to do with Satanism.

doubletake

it sure as hell helps to make a point in an instant.