I agree with a lot of this, but I think a name change seems a bit desperate. Plus, I love pizzagate. When the lid gets blown off this thing and they finally go down "conspiracy theorists" will finally be legitimized. Can you imagine how many people would wake up after that and have an open mind? Maybe even stop believing MSM like they could do no wrong...
That's just my two cents anyway... whatever WE do please don't split up the sub into
/v/pedogate
. Doing that is exactly what that traitor Vermonty_Python did to
/r/sandersforpresident
and it effectively silenced one of the biggest progressive outlets on the internet. As long as there is no censorship already, splitting up this relatively small sub would effectively censor ourselves.
I think it would be a good idea to FORM AND SIGN A PETITION stating that the movement is now PEDO-GATE and action is DEMANDED by the incoming Administration of Donald J. Trump.
In the same way pedophiles are loathe to type the letters P-E-D-O into the interwebs (and thus use codes such as 'pizza', ergo #PIzzaGate) so does the public not wish to type any pedo hashtag into their browser history. Bad idea.
"Here's a catchy and unique term immediately recognizable to the general public thanks to MSM mentions. It has immediate associations with D.C. and pedophilia. It has accumulated tremendous SEO value, trending power, and established linked content. Let's abandon it!"
Don't forget to push the story of Georgia State Senator Nancy Schaefer. A lot of people will start coming out of the Woodwork. The people who have been done wrong by Child Protective Services & DCFS
I totally agree, and think it's very important. Please watch Mr Cati's YT,
https://youtu.be/KJJl9wDgo9A
From 12/15, I believe, regarding the End Game. Mostly towards the end where he addresses PG. He explains this, that keeping it connected by name to CPP and pizza, alienates many people. He explains his thoughts on it, and that he does believe it. But why we should maybe seriously consider a new 'title'.
Just a couple notes on that video, PG starts at 30:00.
Black candy discussed, with link of dark web source to understand it, and involves world leaders from all over.
He says PG is meant to distract while they start a war, and eventually get rid of the2nd amendment, with thoughts to think about.
Also, if you have an open mind, this other YT video, at 28:48, of mark passio speaking addresses PG in depth. I would advise not to watch, if you are already in a discouraged mood, as I am. He is an anarchist, but does also have thoughts to consider on PG, naming it, progress of the movement, and extent of the problem. Pls search on #PIZZAGATE Everyone must watch this! Very important message for all researchers, Dec 10, by Hillary for prison 2016. And as soon as I can, I will add the link here.
Yes thats ok, just keep putting the unbelievable pieces together...dont stop...dont get worn down because we want a change at this time...just observe the connections and watch it come together as all conspiracies do...in time.
Oh, dear God! The name isn't the problem. Pizzagate is instantly identifiable, and it isn't debunked. It's actively trying to be suppressed which means it's working!
Pizzagate is only identifiable as not debunked by people who have already been red-pilled. It is successfully being suppressed currently, not just trying. Our only hope for it to get out now is for an A-list celebrity or politician to come out publicly and present our evidence, or for wieners wiener computer to leak. Continue with pizzagate, but also start on Pedogate
No, it is not successfully suppressed. I got a lot of response when I disseminated the SNOPES info. They were furious and going after me. You're making that assumption based on what's covered in the news, and we've learned it doesn't mean anything. Look at the election? According to them, HRC won. Oh, but look what happened on election night? Do not split this issue. You'll make a mess of things. Instead Pizzagate true. Keep pushing for the truth. There are so many outstanding posts and investigative journalist right here on Voat. Some of the research they've done is crazy good. Dig, dig, dig, dig, dig!
Pizzagate has dropped from gab, 4chan, 8chan. Voat seems to be the last stronghold. My worry is that without the "pizzagate" phrase to search for on forums, we will lose each other. Is it possible we will split into pedogate and pizzagate which will dilute our potency? Part of me says to stay the course, keep digging and sharing
but the reality is that people seem to be tiring of pizzagate and if it is not interesting, they will not read
.
This is a real fear, but if pedogate doesn't take off, then we still have pizzagate. It's been 2 months since pizzagate broke and we have 100x more evidence but are further away from reaching the masses. This is why I think rebranding and writing our own story is a worthwhile risk
I support the change of name. PedoFiles, PedoGate, etc.. All good with me. The pizza needs to be dropped because it narrows the scope and causes people to ignore/dismiss it. This is most likely a global thing.
I have been on your line of thinking in the past - and hear where you are coming from. #stophumantrafficking is going to raise the most legite awareness imo.
Anything with 'gate' on the end of it right now is going to fall flat. Pizzagate/Pedogate - it just doesn't stimulate the senses as much as a statement would.
The media is smart and they have the experience. They will continue to cherrypick findings like that basement despite any name changes. We need someone like David Seaman to go Fox with that horrible "lady". Let them have an open debate. Hear both sides. They never invite any ex-MSM journalists to hear them out. Luckily most people also starting to see more and more how single sided their coverage of pretty much anything is. They narrative are usually positive for certain political parties (on both sides).
I love the idea PedoFiles, but the stupid masses won't be able to identify a scandal without putting a 'gate' at the end. WATERGATE WASNT EVEN ABOUT WATER!! PEDOFILES ARE/IS REAL!
I agree with "Podesta Files" or even "John Podesta Files" because A) "Files" sounds "investigative"; B) "John Podesta" reminds everyone of the real person (Like other real people caught abusing kids); C) "John Podesta" reminds everyone of the link with other political/government persons. Also, shit like this has been going on for decades (centuries, longer, really) like back to the Boys Town/Lawrence King abuses, the Corey Feldman/Corey Haim/Hollywood abuses, Elijah Wood/Hollywood, Laura Silsby/Haiti, Dennis Hastert, Anthony Weiner and all other 'in-the-news' prosecutions of child-abusers. so mentioning the historic realities can help confirm that this abuse is ONGOING and needs much more Law Enforcement investigation.
every MSM piece I've seen constantly goes on about the pizza parlor thing rather than the code words used in emails and strange artwork and instagram messages.
We are gimping ourselves by associating this with pizza rather than paedophilia. It look more credible if the name is changed.
Exactly! They narrow down on the pizza stuff. I haven't seen anyone talk about what inside the Podesta emails in the MSM.
When I explain this to RL friends I don't even mention the name. I just talk about child abductions and past pedophile rings. They can verify those facts for themselves. See how the media covered it up or didn't even mention it at the time and see that some something like it, is happening RIGHT NOW in front of their eyes.
I agree, 'pizzagate' is seen too narrowly as DC politics.
Pedogate
** can focus more broadly (and less parochially) on the suspected Pedocracy that is a much broader elite linked by deviant behavior and beliefs beyond borders, beyond politics and beyond occupations.
Precisely. This isn't about the code words that are used, this is about a global pedo ring and all the children that are affected. By affected, I mean kidnapped, raped, killed, organs stolen and body broken down in a barrel caustic
if pizzagate is real then this is a good idea....one main reason I'm on the fence here is the whole idea of pizza somehow turning people on sexually the way it seems by their social media posts seems sooooooo unbelievably ridiculous.......I almost feel like it's got to be code for a party drug......but I see the social media weird kid stuff and I have a hard time rationalizing it away....it's not normal. I have a working theory that this encrypted stuff sent under the cover of being creepy satanic masochistic pedos into pizza and pasta is to disgust and scare off hackers....but it didn't work and now they are getting Valerie Plame'd by pizzagate
▼ RecycledUser
And if maybe in the OP, if it's decided to change the hashtag title, if a start date of the changeover could be posted?
▼ n0etics
This is a good thing
▼ remedy4reality
says the either uninformed or accomplice
▼ VoteOrDie
I agree with a lot of this, but I think a name change seems a bit desperate. Plus, I love pizzagate. When the lid gets blown off this thing and they finally go down "conspiracy theorists" will finally be legitimized. Can you imagine how many people would wake up after that and have an open mind? Maybe even stop believing MSM like they could do no wrong...
That's just my two cents anyway... whatever WE do please don't split up the sub into /v/pedogate . Doing that is exactly what that traitor Vermonty_Python did to /r/sandersforpresident and it effectively silenced one of the biggest progressive outlets on the internet. As long as there is no censorship already, splitting up this relatively small sub would effectively censor ourselves.
▼ remedy4reality
I think it would be a good idea to FORM AND SIGN A PETITION stating that the movement is now PEDO-GATE and action is DEMANDED by the incoming Administration of Donald J. Trump.
A million signatories should be a minimum goal.
▼ OTPROPHET
In the same way pedophiles are loathe to type the letters P-E-D-O into the interwebs (and thus use codes such as 'pizza', ergo #PIzzaGate) so does the public not wish to type any pedo hashtag into their browser history. Bad idea.
▼ BeezleyBillyBub
https://lokisrevengeblog.wordpress.com/2016/12/23/pentagon-porn-911-and-global-collapse/
▼ PresudentMcCheese
Whatever you call it, it's the same stupid people. The new name will meet the same fate.
▼ OTPROPHET
"Here's a catchy and unique term immediately recognizable to the general public thanks to MSM mentions. It has immediate associations with D.C. and pedophilia. It has accumulated tremendous SEO value, trending power, and established linked content. Let's abandon it!"
Nope.
▼ Jwomack1984
Don't forget to push the story of Georgia State Senator Nancy Schaefer. A lot of people will start coming out of the Woodwork. The people who have been done wrong by Child Protective Services & DCFS
▼ RecycledUser
I totally agree, and think it's very important. Please watch Mr Cati's YT, https://youtu.be/KJJl9wDgo9A From 12/15, I believe, regarding the End Game. Mostly towards the end where he addresses PG. He explains this, that keeping it connected by name to CPP and pizza, alienates many people. He explains his thoughts on it, and that he does believe it. But why we should maybe seriously consider a new 'title'.
▼ RecycledUser
Just a couple notes on that video, PG starts at 30:00. Black candy discussed, with link of dark web source to understand it, and involves world leaders from all over. He says PG is meant to distract while they start a war, and eventually get rid of the2nd amendment, with thoughts to think about.
Also, if you have an open mind, this other YT video, at 28:48, of mark passio speaking addresses PG in depth. I would advise not to watch, if you are already in a discouraged mood, as I am. He is an anarchist, but does also have thoughts to consider on PG, naming it, progress of the movement, and extent of the problem. Pls search on #PIZZAGATE Everyone must watch this! Very important message for all researchers, Dec 10, by Hillary for prison 2016. And as soon as I can, I will add the link here.
▼ freeagent37
Yes thats ok, just keep putting the unbelievable pieces together...dont stop...dont get worn down because we want a change at this time...just observe the connections and watch it come together as all conspiracies do...in time.
▼ quantokitty
Oh, dear God! The name isn't the problem. Pizzagate is instantly identifiable, and it isn't debunked. It's actively trying to be suppressed which means it's working!
▼ PepperoniBoni
Pizzagate is only identifiable as not debunked by people who have already been red-pilled. It is successfully being suppressed currently, not just trying. Our only hope for it to get out now is for an A-list celebrity or politician to come out publicly and present our evidence, or for wieners wiener computer to leak. Continue with pizzagate, but also start on Pedogate
▼ quantokitty
No, it is not successfully suppressed. I got a lot of response when I disseminated the SNOPES info. They were furious and going after me. You're making that assumption based on what's covered in the news, and we've learned it doesn't mean anything. Look at the election? According to them, HRC won. Oh, but look what happened on election night? Do not split this issue. You'll make a mess of things. Instead Pizzagate true. Keep pushing for the truth. There are so many outstanding posts and investigative journalist right here on Voat. Some of the research they've done is crazy good. Dig, dig, dig, dig, dig!
▼ RecycledUser
I DO think pedofiles, is the best so far... Since it is global, and they don't seem to want to censor or block ANYTHING 'pedo'.
▼ Checked
Pizzagate has dropped from gab, 4chan, 8chan. Voat seems to be the last stronghold. My worry is that without the "pizzagate" phrase to search for on forums, we will lose each other. Is it possible we will split into pedogate and pizzagate which will dilute our potency? Part of me says to stay the course, keep digging and sharing but the reality is that people seem to be tiring of pizzagate and if it is not interesting, they will not read .
▼ PepperoniBoni
This is a real fear, but if pedogate doesn't take off, then we still have pizzagate. It's been 2 months since pizzagate broke and we have 100x more evidence but are further away from reaching the masses. This is why I think rebranding and writing our own story is a worthwhile risk
▼ ShoaNanas
#PEDOCRACY
(i know real meaning is "Government by children" but i think this word can "light on" some non-believers)
▼ Millstone
Let's do it.
▼ golly
I support the change of name. PedoFiles, PedoGate, etc.. All good with me. The pizza needs to be dropped because it narrows the scope and causes people to ignore/dismiss it. This is most likely a global thing.
▼ RecycledUser
Well said, thank you!
▼ logjam
I have been on your line of thinking in the past - and hear where you are coming from. #stophumantrafficking is going to raise the most legite awareness imo.
Anything with 'gate' on the end of it right now is going to fall flat. Pizzagate/Pedogate - it just doesn't stimulate the senses as much as a statement would.
▼ RecycledUser
Very good point. I would say maybe pedofiles, which is shorter also.
▼ Jwomack1984
PedoGate does sound better. People dismiss Pizzagate automatically because of the Shooting Story where no basement was found
▼ golly
The media is smart and they have the experience. They will continue to cherrypick findings like that basement despite any name changes. We need someone like David Seaman to go Fox with that horrible "lady". Let them have an open debate. Hear both sides. They never invite any ex-MSM journalists to hear them out. Luckily most people also starting to see more and more how single sided their coverage of pretty much anything is. They narrative are usually positive for certain political parties (on both sides).
▼ Jwomack1984
Can we find a list of Journalists the Associated Press has fired over trying to report Child Trafficking?
▼ PepperoniBoni
I love the idea PedoFiles, but the stupid masses won't be able to identify a scandal without putting a 'gate' at the end. WATERGATE WASNT EVEN ABOUT WATER!! PEDOFILES ARE/IS REAL!
▼ Jwomack1984
The PodestaFiles
▼ AuntGeek
I agree with "Podesta Files" or even "John Podesta Files" because A) "Files" sounds "investigative"; B) "John Podesta" reminds everyone of the real person (Like other real people caught abusing kids); C) "John Podesta" reminds everyone of the link with other political/government persons. Also, shit like this has been going on for decades (centuries, longer, really) like back to the Boys Town/Lawrence King abuses, the Corey Feldman/Corey Haim/Hollywood abuses, Elijah Wood/Hollywood, Laura Silsby/Haiti, Dennis Hastert, Anthony Weiner and all other 'in-the-news' prosecutions of child-abusers. so mentioning the historic realities can help confirm that this abuse is ONGOING and needs much more Law Enforcement investigation.
▼ Verite1
Much bigger than Podesta. And HRC, for that matter
▼ passwordsonvoatrbad
every MSM piece I've seen constantly goes on about the pizza parlor thing rather than the code words used in emails and strange artwork and instagram messages.
We are gimping ourselves by associating this with pizza rather than paedophilia. It look more credible if the name is changed.
▼ golly
Exactly! They narrow down on the pizza stuff. I haven't seen anyone talk about what inside the Podesta emails in the MSM.
When I explain this to RL friends I don't even mention the name. I just talk about child abductions and past pedophile rings. They can verify those facts for themselves. See how the media covered it up or didn't even mention it at the time and see that some something like it, is happening RIGHT NOW in front of their eyes.
▼ JoJoVoat
YES! I agree! It's time to rebrand!
▼ readstuff
I agree, 'pizzagate' is seen too narrowly as DC politics. Pedogate ** can focus more broadly (and less parochially) on the suspected Pedocracy that is a much broader elite linked by deviant behavior and beliefs beyond borders, beyond politics and beyond occupations.
▼ ALDO_NOVA
Pedocracygate?
▼ PepperoniBoni
Precisely. This isn't about the code words that are used, this is about a global pedo ring and all the children that are affected. By affected, I mean kidnapped, raped, killed, organs stolen and body broken down in a barrel caustic
▼ openminded
if pizzagate is real then this is a good idea....one main reason I'm on the fence here is the whole idea of pizza somehow turning people on sexually the way it seems by their social media posts seems sooooooo unbelievably ridiculous.......I almost feel like it's got to be code for a party drug......but I see the social media weird kid stuff and I have a hard time rationalizing it away....it's not normal. I have a working theory that this encrypted stuff sent under the cover of being creepy satanic masochistic pedos into pizza and pasta is to disgust and scare off hackers....but it didn't work and now they are getting Valerie Plame'd by pizzagate