Millennial_Falcon

u literally said

No, "u literally" made up something that I did not say.

Millennial_Falcon

Actually examining the information and coming to a reasonable conclusion = mental gymnastics? Not sure if you're a shill or just completely unreasonable.

Solver2

Winstead said he didn't want it to become like Adams Morgan I believe. College student found dead at Adams Morgan December 18 th. Smiley Face victim similarities? http://wavy.com/2015/12/18/missing-vcu-student-found-dead-in-washington-dc/

feel_the_bern_baby

Pizzagate is a hoax. Chelsea 2020!

pizzagate_is_fake

Tag this post friend as relevancy in question. While you are at it, start flagging more posts as we discussed on the other board. Let's discourage further investigation. We will post on messages as well. You know we get bonus from boss if we achieve goal. Glad you made mod status.

Forgetmenot

Sounds like a lot of guesses. And jumping to conclusions. Stick with the facts. It's too soon to go into a long diatribe about frank winstead and his motivations. The facts that are evident are simple.

Im_with_her

Pizzagate is fake news tin foil hatters. Get a life.

Ronnilynn31

Then what are you doing here?

Im_with_her

Trying to help end fake news and protect innocent citizens, like Mr. Alefantis, from lies. Find a worthwhile endeavor citizen.

PrideOfOshtekk

Just kill yourself instead. The world will be better off.

Ronnilynn31

You're in the wrong place then. If you want to end fake news go post on CNN MSNBC, etc. We have too much here to back off & if you don't think exposing child trafficking and pedophilia is a worthwhile endeavor, then you are complicit.

MolochHunter

Someone needs to get in touch with Frank Winstead and ask if he knew/heard of something that heightened his concerns, which never made it through into this media story It may well be he's been painted as a fuddy-duddy to be dismissive of genuine concern

thezodiac

He probably knew that CPP was not just a friendly family restaurant, it was more like a gay nightclub, and that would annoy the neighboorhood. He was right, apparently.

Millennial_Falcon

I think that's probably accurate.

daddysdarlin

Good work keep it up!!!

SluggishJ

http://archive.is/20161113090732/dcist.com/2008/06/small_victory_for_comet_ping_pong_a.php

Article about James Alefantis wanting more cool stuff for his cool shop

http://www.foresthillsconnection.com/news/in-memoriam-karen-perry-anc-3f02-commissioner-of-15-years/

Karen Perry seemed to be grouped in with the other few people who vocally disagree. The other two are Frank Winstead and Dank Klibanoff. She's dead now I think. I'm not making any substantiated bits as of yet, just my 2 cents

anolegion

First of all, Why the fuck is the 'Relevance in question' on this one?!

I broke this story on the chans in the very first days. While I have some professional investigative skills to bear on pizzagate, this one only took me one simple search. The quote about the "rapes and murders" was on Comet Ping Pong's Wikipedia page.

I researched the person whom it was attributed to, Frank Winstead. I found his YT video. On my first run - it had a couple of hundred views back then - I thought, why is this guy filming an alleged traffic hazard from that position, low on the other side of the street? Why is he using these lame insets? He could walk over to the other side and film the ball getting lost in traffic, pedestrians being hindered etc.

Then I heard the screams, the second series of them. when I ran the video again I turned the audio range up, and there was no mistake. That was a child screaming. It could not have come from the other side of the street with all the traffic noise in between. It came from below.

I was devastated, disgusted and scared, for the first (though definitely not the last) time on my journey down this shit-stained rabbit hole. Later I reposted it with the comment that Winstead was either blackmailing or warning them. The video is not in any way supportive of the traffic hazard allegation, nor is the accusation of "murders and rapes" in any way proportional to an outside ping pong table. To me, there really is no other explanation. If you think there is I'd like to hear it, but please come informed.

Until then, Relevancy not in fucking question.

FearlessFreep

I posted my own theory about that, please check it out:

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1513968

anolegion

Interesting theory, but I really don't see how he could have recorded sounds on the other side of a busy street.

FearlessFreep

Seems the camera picked up one of the door sentries going "Heyooo!" After the kid got dragged away.

Cbradio

Yes, I've been mentioning him. Glad you brought him up. I'm curious if his whereabouts and can one call, interview him.

Comet crowd wrote comments on articles and blogs to watch him and report ANY type of code violation they can find in him.

Of course, we should be bombarding any county, stare, fed office for any violations, also!!!

Also: 1. Who were hired for construction and are those two black men alive and safe? 2. There are very vocal, but ignored advocates and FAM victims as cold murder and missing cases in DC are rampant. Small news, blogs have more data, as some on DC cop website. Interesting, on DC cops site of, "see something, say something," there is a homicide category just for transvesrites. Any of those deaths from entering the pedo party world by mistake? Not every tranny is a pedo, but many try to find places they are welcome to be themselves.

Many leads to follow, surely with some answers or more crimes.

Relatives, old classmates and neighbors and jobs. Surely, interviews would bring data. Clearly, tension between Klein and her mom. ( read her blog).

Tour dates, old bands, bars, party scene peeps. Surely, some saw things that were not their fancy. Any missing, homicides in date sync with band tours.

Has anyone archived that stuff that has that capability?

It was like declared war on this bold commissioner. The for bringing it up.

throwitawayn0w

A broken clock is still right twice a day. Despite being unstable, he obviously has a high regard for law and order. Take it with a grain of salt, like everything else. But we can't disregard him completely just because he sees things differently.

fugazihatespizza

What are the chances of "comet ping pong + rape + murder" appearing in 2 different slanderous untruths? 8 years apart? Either we are the victims of a vast right wing conspiracy, or comet ping pong is a little bit more "rape-y & murder-y" then the average D.C. Eatery....

SoManyQuestions

This has been posted multiple times. It also proves nothing. Good case of confirmation bias.

SaneGoatiSwear

lies this is fake goat. adhdferret most likely

pizzalolz

Why is the relevance of this in question? the mods in this sub are fucked now.

PrideOfOshtekk

Because of Winstead making a comparison; he was exaggerating. He never outright accused Alefantis of rape and murder.

samhara

"Winstead accused the owner of Comet Ping Pong of seeking to turn this quiet stretch of Connecticut Avenue in Forest Hills into a haven for rape and murder.

The crowd of about 100 residents--mainly fans of the pizza place--fell into an uproar and drowned out Winstead following this exchange, "

https://archive.is/Blp2o << WaPo report.

They shouted him down?

Just like the arrogant idiots shouted down, over and over, the notion Trump could ever be President? Wow

Not sure how to save this vid, which demonstrates the degree to which the powerful people mocked the notion Trump could win..

Isn't that a bit biased? The ignorant frauds are not just ignorant but arrogant too?

  • since it's a Facebook vid and not YouTube. I don't have a screen capture for motion [yet] . But this is very telling. I did not know how extreme it was since I stayed away from these daffy "Media Personalities" for decades already and had never seen any of this.. No wonder the programmed masses were crying. Their ridiculous idols are made fools? . - - https://www.facebook.com/supremepatriot/videos/364669477242697/ -

Never trust a crowd?

WHAMMO63

Camtasia

shaboyi999

He maybe saw something, then they shut him up, media wrote a distorted piece.

BethesdaDC

The concerned DC citizen videotaping CPP. After watching his other public awareness videos - which if anything confirms his passion for public awareness. So his concerns about CPP should have been seriously considered..

ThruTheHaze

Ya, news about this guy came out early on before the migration. That's probably why you couldn't find anything. From what I can remember, not much came of him.

SheSaidDestroy

The problem with Frank Winstead as any sort of witness is that the guy already had a reputation in the local community of being an obsessive hall monitor sort of guy, obsessed with traffic safety law in particular and to the point that he would video tape people and upload the videos to shame people online for things like blocking side walks or for a bus polluting the air and so on. Initially he was only angry about the ping pong table being a traffic hazard, and what it at least looks like happened, was that when he was told to leave the ping pong table alone, he totally lost his shit.

Here is his YT channel so that you don't have to take my word for it: https://www.youtube.com/user/fwinstead/videos

It wasn't like he addressed any inappropriate artwork, language, etc or suspicious internal activity going on at CPP. Not even close to being an actual investigation, like not even close to all of the stuff that you all have dug up with this current civilian investigation.

There may have been some ironic truth to what he was saying at the time, but it would seem to be coincidence. The guy was not exactly the best witness. Personally I wouldn't use his words to make a case for suspicion about CPP. As soon as people look at the guy's YT channel it's like oh.. it was one of those people.

Doesn't mean his accusations were totally off the mark, either, but it does seem like it was more coincidence than due to his own investigative work. Nothing like what civilian investigators have actually been digging up now.

pray_the_gay_away

How do you know all this?

B_dog

That's yet another weird coincidence. It's just like Breitbart, according to some, only Tweeting about ACORN. Yet despite the O'Keefe thing being a one-off undercover investigation, Andrew described Podesta as running a "world class...op" for "unspeakable dregs". That seems to go far, far beyond merely talking about one incident involving one employee. I'm not saying either person was, for sure, making the larger allegation. My ESP needs work. But it sure is curious.

samhara

It might be interesting to interview him and to find out what exactly made him suspect rape and murder? I saw one YouTube which purported to have caught a screaming coming from the place, blanketed by the traffic noise?

AreWeSure

He did not suspect rape and murder. He said another neighborhood, Adams-Morgan, has a nightlife scene and a higher crime rate. He was using the example of crime in Adams-Morgan to try to shut down what Comet Ping Pong was asking for. Are we going to turn our neighborhood in Adams-Morgan? or Times Square?

SChalice

The type of crime in Adams-Morgan may very well have been child rape and murder which had occurred just prior.

Look at the responses in defense of James in this article. This guy clearly has/had very heavy pull in the neighborhood. No pizza parlor I know of has this kind of social media following to go and do this on MSM (i.e. 'constituents').

samhara

Yeah, but he figured it out, didn't he? It's the outliers who figure it out.

CantWeJustDroneHim

Unfortunately when I saw his videos when pizzagate first broke, I immediately though "great he seems non-credible, seems like a kook". I thought exactly the same as you stated, seems like a coincidence. He seemed just as upset that there were people playing ping pong outside....

Forgetmenot

Interesting isn't that what they say about pizzagate believers, they are crazy....hmmmm maybe a pattern ? Slow down and keep an open mind. It's too soon maybe there is more to winstead than meats the eye. It should be investigated.

md3inaustin

Couldn't hurt to contact him for a comment on recent events. I'd be curious to hear his take, followed-up with a question about his comments from 2008.

C1REX

Wow. Good find.

2impendingdoom

did you look in the search? use the word: winstead

Ronnilynn31

You're right - it's there. I think I searched on every other word but that one, the most relevant on, unless I fat fingered the name. Up all night and too early in the morning to have done it correctly.

2impendingdoom

agreed. I have trouble finding threads that i know are there, the search isn't great.

QuestionEverything

Dont direct traffic at these assholes. Archive ftw.

Millennial_Falcon

Edit: To the people downvoting: not sure how many of you are shills, and how many are just uninformed, but please get informed about this guy's actual complaints before you downvote me for fighting disinformation. An example of how quickly disinformation spreads is how people in this thread are saying this guy accused Alefantis of rape and murder. Not even close to true! He claimed that such a venue being open so late would bring rape and murder to the area (i.e. it would be a crime magnet). You have to understand that fake evidence like this is the NUMBER ONE tool the enemy is using to disrupt our investigation. It wastes our time and ends up discrediting us for confirmation bias.

This post is old news (was discovered back in the /r/pizzagate days) and completely unrelated to Pizzagate. This was an overactive neighborhood association member trying to keep outside traffic out of his neighborhood.

Here's an article that covers the dispute in a bit more detail:

http://web.archive.org/web/20120212231251/http://dcist.com/2008/06/18/small_victory_for_comet_ping_pong_a.php

Not going to delete, but flairing for relevance.

SChalice

"flairing for relevance"

If you type Frank Winstead into Google, CPP comes up as the right banner...

Millennial_Falcon

LOL. What a solid argument.

gonegoogling1

Looks like I have to make stupid as fuck comments to be able to downvote anyone. So this comment is my downvote to you shill.

Millennial_Falcon

Not sure if you're a shill of just uninformed, but accusing me of being a shill is ridiculous. I have worked my ass off for this sub. I spent several days making the current summary sticky. Defending this sub from poisonous disinformation (which harms our credibility) is one of the most important ways to defend this sub.

Ronnilynn31

When I first read the article, I questioned the relevance as well. An overexcited commissioner who gets worked up over everything - we've seen the types everywhere.

But how does the language go to "rapes and murders" rather than simple neighborhood disruption? Alefantis isn't new to DC, being named one of the most influential people in the city. In the end, I think there is a history there with him that has yet to be revealed and those that opposed him may have known who/what he is. Without evidence, it's not like they can just throw out there accusations of child trafficking and pedophilia, so he brings up the concerns with broader language.

The fact that he was so vehemently opposed is telling in my opinion. Comet's supporters, like others who throw this out as conspiracy, attack the messengers rather than the message. While it may not appear relevant at first glance, it's worth looking into what Winstead may have known and what those who were so vocal against him are.

PrideOfOshtekk

This should be looked into, but its far from definitive.

Ronnilynn31

Agreed.

Millennial_Falcon

But how does the language go to "rapes and murders" rather than simple neighborhood disruption?

He was throwing everything he could think of to see what would stick. He also accused Alefantis of stealing, "cheating," and spitting in people's food. He wasn't accusing Alefantis of rape/murder, btw. He was saying Comet being open until midnight would attract rape/murder and other crimes to the neighborhood.

it's not like they can just throw out there accusations of child trafficking and pedophilia

He made no such accusation.

The fact that he was so vehemently opposed is telling in my opinion.

Maybe. That's why I flaired OP's post, instead of deleting.

Pizzagate709

Alefantis being accused of rape and murder isnt connected to pizzagate. Okay.

yousef1971

have you seen his interview with megan kelly, are you a retarded?

Pizzagate709

Yup. whats your point?

yousef1971

podesta emails are the soul of pizzagate and alefantis commet pizaa is the body of it, the location of the main crime, you can't sperate the soul from the body unless you want to kill pizzagate.

AreWeSure

That is not what is going on here. Some neighborhood association member is using the specter of crime in another popular Washington Neighborhood as an argument against allowing the restaurant to operate late hours and have live music. Alefantis is not being accused of a crime.

Millennial_Falcon

He didn't accuse Alefantis of rape or murder. He said the business would bring rapes and murders to the neighborhood.

eMalum

Rule #8 of Truth Suppression: "Dismiss charges as 'old news'."

I don't see how this isn't connected to Pizzagate. It proves that someone was onto Alefantis almost a decade ago... perhaps for entirely different reasons.

mrjdouble

I had never heard about the rules of truth suppression, but after reading your comment, I suspected that was a former publication. Just checked it out, good stuff. Thanks for saying something.

eMalum

I'll be honest, I had never heard of this stuff either. I have no idea who wrote it all out or how accurate it is, whether or not any of those tactics are being used here. It all seems like it makes sense to me, even if I don't fully understand their game. But understanding their techniques and terminology go a long way toward being informed. Sifting through the bullshit becomes easier when you know how your enemy thinks and talks.

I'm learning as I go.

I don't know that @millennial_falcon is specifically employing disinformation strategies, I honestly haven't taken the time to look into it that heavily. I am not accusing him of anything nefarious but I am skeptical of the entire mod team (every user, really); when I see some bullshit, I feel like I need to call it out.

And I see that several folks agree with my assessment.

Millennial_Falcon

Well, since you pinged me, I'll reply. If you look through my comment history, you will see me promoting good evidence, and questioning questionable evidence. It would be really ironic for anyone to suggest I'm promoting disinformation, as disinformation is the main threat I have been fighting since this investigation began. I also spent several days putting together the current Pizzagate summary sticky, and I continue to work on it, as time allows. A lot of people hear don't seem to get how damaging confirmation bias is to our credibility. People in this thread immediately assumed Winstead's concerns were Pizzagate-related, without actually investigating what it was really about. That kind of frenzied irrationality is very harmful to our efforts. People in this thread are actually saying Winstead accused Alefantis of rape and murder. Nope. He accused him of making a "haven for rape and murder." If you look at the context, he meant that Comet being open late would attract crimes such as rape and murder.

redberries

Did you download the audio recording and listen to it? There's actually something interesting happening in the meeting. Alefantis brought a whole crowd along to boo the bloke, and some stood up to personally threaten the guy. Winstead got pissed off, but it was a premeditated attack against Winstead. The article doesn't even write the full story, it was more about "operating post-midnight" than about having ping pong tables outside, as far as I recall.

The important thing is that Winstead clearly considered Alefantis to be scum. This is important considering Alefantis has shown no such traits during the Megan Kelly interview, so obviously he has a side to him that he hasn't shown on TV.

eMalum

@millennial_falcon

He claimed that such a venue being open so late would bring rape and murder to the area (i.e. it would be a crime magnet)

Isn't that exactly what the Pizzagate investigation is about? If we're under the assumption that PG is actually happening and that CPP/Alefantis are a part of an underground child trafficking ring, isn't that precisely "bringing rape and murder" to Connecticut Ave?

I understand your stance on preventing disinfo in this sub and not following false leads or making poor connections but I'm really struggling to see how your argument disqualifies this incident as being valid to our investigation. SHOW us how this is an example of a FORUM SLIDE, rather than TELLING us that it is... that's all I'm asking for.

not sure how many of you are shills

Getting real sick of you guys constantly tossing that phrase around without any evidence or examination. Both @millennial_falcon and @crensch in this thread alone are guilty of it; you've spent more time arguing the credibility of the posters in this thread than you have 'debunking' the facts in question that were presented in the original post.

Rule 8 of Disinformation: Invoke Authority

You both use terminology that I'm not familiar with, I suspect several other users as well, with full authority. You're experts on CTR tactics, shills, disinformation, cointelpro, etc... and you're willing to use your authority on anyone who disagrees with you. It doesn't do anything for the discussion and it doesn't prevent the trolls, shills or idiots from fucking up everything we're working toward. (Rule 5 of Disinfo: Sidetrack opponents with name calling)

All it does is further dilute the topics and divide our community. (Read https://sli.mg/5HK8jK and tell me this doesn't feel an awful lot like a thread designed to tear us apart)

Shitseverewhere

'Old news' and 'coincidence' are at least two ways of trying to fight this I have seen. You know like ten year old allegations of rape and murder to the same guy we are investigating for the same thing. But you know that is old news and must be coincidence.

Millennial_Falcon

Using fake evidence to support Pizzagate is a poison pill. I'm not dismissing Pizzagate. Take a look at the current summary sticky and see who wrote it.

WhoFramedReaderRabit

This isn't Fake News evidence it's an article from 8 years ago, your telling me a fake news evidence was planted from 8 years ago?

Millennial_Falcon

When did I say it was fake news? You just made a fake claim. What I said is that it is not related to pizzagate. Try actually investigating and reading about it, instead of automatically assuming it must be related. Confirmation bias. It's real.

WhoFramedReaderRabit

Fixed

This isn't Fake News evidence it's an article from 8 years ago, your telling me a fake news evidence was planted from 8 years ago?

Millennial_Falcon

Who said anything about it being planted? What I said is that it's most likely not related to pizzagate.

WhoFramedReaderRabit

I said some people think its planted. And I think it is related to pizzagate.

Millennial_Falcon

And I think it is related to pizzagate.

What do you base that on?

eMalum

Using fake evidence to support Pizzagate is a poison pill.

FAKE NEWS!!

Yeah but you'll have to explain why it's poison, I'm not taking your word for it just because you wrote a summary. That's called discussion and it's what we're here to do. It's pretty easy for you to dismiss the discussion in this thread because YOU said it's not relevant... but you're not showing WHY it's not relevant.

Or should I use buzzwords like "caution" "concern" trolling?

Millennial_Falcon

That's called discussion and it's what we're here to do.

Yeah, I'm discussing how this is most likely completely irrelevant to Pizzagate.

Edit: Added sources that provide more detail.

Forgetmenot

I think you are trying to hold this investigation to a standard that is for the courts to do. This is not an official investigation with presumed innocence and search warrants and grand juries. This is a citizen investigation in the court of public opinion. The public decides if something is relevant. Furthermore, it is relevant because it depicts a pattern of accusations over a period of time.... and where there is smoke there is fire. Stop trying to presume innocence and give the benefit of the doubt, believe me the pedofile political elite don't play the game that way. As Andrew breitbart said to podesta he is playing to win. The rule applies only if both sides follow them. And for the record no one has been charged so no one is presumed innocent . Do you understand how it works? step one: suspect is arrested, step two: his Miranda raights are read. No one is charged so no one is presumed innocent. That is the way the game is played but in the court of public opinion people have a right to form their own opinion about the facts and it is a FACT that frank winstead said comet ping was associated with rapes and murder.

Millennial_Falcon

If we push fake evidence, the court of public opinion will decide WE are full of shit. Need I say more?

Forgetmenot

I agree but it has to be investigated in order to be determined fake or not. Test everything but saying it's irrelevant is akin to labeling it fake news. It's important not to disregard facts, it's too early without more evidence to make judgements about winstead motivations. Don't you think?

Crensch

I agree but it has to be investigated in order to be determined fake or not.

The impossible game.

Present unlimited false leads that people like @Forgetmenot will demand need to be investigated in order to bury the real lead needles in the proverbial haystack.

You need to watch yourself. This attitude of yours got you on the wrong side of something with me before. If I see this kind of bullshit argument again, I'll be labeling you as some kind of CTR/shill/COINTEL.

Stop wasting everyone's fucking time with UNPROVEN new (or old) links. Period.

@Millennial_Falcon

Forgetmenot

  1. What do you mean by watch myself? Is that a threat? To do what exactly?
  2. Why will you label me CTR for commenting to a post. This is NOT MY POST. I simply upvoated and commented. @Ronnilynn31 is the user who made the post.
  3. Our last interaction I thought you were CTR now I wonder if you are a troll that likes to create conflict with your threats intimidation and bad words. The other prabability is that pizzagate has hit a nerve and we are in intimidation stage in order to suppress the truth. This is very unpleasant of you and I am now going to figure out if voat has a block feature. If not unless I somehow violate the rules of voat please don't interact with me again. No offense intended. Too much drama already.

Crensch

What do you mean by watch myself? Is that a threat? To do what exactly?

I will respond to your stupid posts by actually calling you one of those things and outright dismissing whatever you've said with the conclusion I've come to. How does that sound to you?

Forgetmenot

I don't want to interact with you actually. Last time I cosidered just quitting voat and canceling my acct. you are that unpleasant. What do you mean: I need to watch myself? A threat? What do you mean by this? Then You also state: You will label me CTR? Is this because you disagree with my opinion?

Let me spell it out: I have not submitted the post I simply upvoated the post. Along with many other users that commented and upvoated. I also commented that I thought it was useful and why I thought it was useful. Not sure what triggered this reaction from you. But maybe a different mod or admin should way in. i really find dealing with you unpleasant. Last time you did not even introduce yourself as a mod to me now this time you are threatening me with a CTR label? Yet I thought you were CTR and asked you straight out. Which you never denied, nor did you ever confirm you were a mod. I had to figure out how to look it up. And even reach out to other mods. I am new to voat if you want to take my rights to upvoat for having an opinion that does not violate the rules, that is really strange although Reddit got that way. And I guess it only shows that pizzagate really is a threat and is on to something. I have not submitted a post, I simply upvoated and posted a comment that supported the value of the comment. This is too much drama from you, your bad words your threats and your labeling me as CTR. If @/Millennial_Falcon feels that I was insulting on a personal level or violated a a rule he or she is welcome to let me know. Not sure why you are jumping in, this is very unprofessional.

Crensch

I don't want to interact with you actually. Last time I cosidered just quitting voat and canceling my acct.

If you're so stupid that you think forcing the impossible game onto PG users is helpful in some way, then you should.

Forgetmenot

Namecalling a user, making threats, belittling, you are harassing me please refrain from interacting with me if you want to involve an admin I welcome it. Right now I don't have time to try to figure out voat to report you. Leave me alone, you are very unprofessional and demeaning of anyone's opinion that you don't agree with.

Crensch

Namecalling a user, making threats, belittling, you are harassing me please refrain from interacting with me if you want to involve an admin I welcome it.

Eat a dick.

Right now I don't have time to try to figure out voat to report you.

You can't report me for shit. Go back where you came from, because that kind of thinking doesn't work here.

Leave me alone, you are very unprofessional and demeaning of anyone's opinion that you don't agree with.

You're too stupid to be taken as a serious user.

Forgetmenot

Lol! Ok you made me laugh.

Crensch

If you had the capacity to understand the situation, you'd be cringing at your own stupidity.

Forgetmenot

Ok u r probably right, a lot of this is way out of my league, I typically lurk and up voat and share information learned here to raise awareness. we all have a right to our opinion, I can respect that, and it does not offend me when you say eat a dick. In fact that came so out of left field it was funny, and well laughter is a great way to diffuse tension. Have a good one!

Forgetmenot

This is not my lead your getting laughable with the accusations.

Crensch

You keep pushing for the impossible game and pretending to be helpful. That's at best troll-like activity, at worst intentional forum COINTEL, and if neither of those, abject stupidity .

Ronnilynn31

I did archive it, and will link the archive next time. Sorry about that...still working on getting posting down correctly. I'll try to edit the original with the archive instead.

TokyoJoe

Doesn't seem right, that a ping pong table outside would lead to rape and murder. It's a far stretch, maybe he knew what was going on there could be more to the this guy going after him. If he committed suicide right after the meeting you know something is up.

Forgetmenot

They label everyone who stands in their way as crazy in order to discredit them.

AreWeSure

Doesn't seem right, that a ping pong table outside would lead to rape and murder. It's a far stretch,

Yes, he is using an emotionally charged, but in my opinion, dishonest argument to try to shut down something he doesn't want. He has zero evidence for his charges.

TokyoJoe

Unless he knew illegal activity is happening but afraid to say out of fear. Just seems like strange accusations he has to know something else

AreWeSure

It's basically unfounded accusations. He's saying if we bring in late night places and live music to our neighborhood, we'll bring in crime. He is not alleging any current crime or saying that Alefantis or his crew would commit the crimes, but the crowds would attract the criminal element.

I don't know if anyone else applied for similiar permits, but I bet this guy used the same argument if they did. That's the kind of guy he is, the guy who would videotape double-parked vans and load them up to youtube.

Thakiddds

That's where the video came from of the guy filming when the screams were heard.

FearlessFreep

I just posted a theory about that.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1513968

Gorillion

Ah, so Comet has a local reputation of "sticking it to the man". No wonder all the hipster scenesters won't tolerate anybody questioning it's integrity. That little local council shitfight is probably the most "revolutionary" thing they've been involved with and don't want their memory tainted.

Ginger_Snaps

They don't care. They just lie thinking we are stupid.

smokratez

They just lie thinking we are stupid.

They know we are though. How many of the voat userbase, before pizzagate, knew about the satanic pedophile rings world wide? I did. I guess maybe one or two others as most. You can't convince me that the general public aren't ignorant sheep.

LolturdFerguson

I knew about it for over a decade, but no one believed a word. It's crazy seeing it all come out like this...

samhara

Hypnotized. It's a deliberated program . Check the work of Jan Irvin on the social engineering and culture conditioning. It's a vast subject. Here's just part one of one series; How music is used for mind control : Dr. Hans Utter - “Music, Mind Control, and Psychobiology, Pt. 1” - #232 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1n5Hfy_dCg - So yes, they are stupid, but it's engineered that way.

smokratez

Yeah, I know. I used to be a brain washed leftie.

Phuc_Dat_Bich

This doesn't come as news to Voat users.

smokratez

I've been trying to talk about this for 1.5 years. It was never taken seriously up until pizzagate.

ThorTheWonderful

They have been brainwashed from grade school on. The education system has become a thousand times worse now than it was 50 years ago and it was bad then.

derram

https://archive.is/MgHH9 :

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