PizzaGate Discord Investigation Room! Check it out, it'll be Great! [v/pizzagatewhatever alternative] ( pizzagate )

submitted by nathanwblair

Discord is what v/pizzagatewhatever tries to be - a loose chat room forum

kinda like Slack or Skype or TeamSpeak.

Makes it a LOT easier to voice/type our thoughts without fear of spamming submissions

Join the pizzagate chat room here: (trust me, it's worth it) https://discord.gg/YcasPvA

Cbradio

So ones can't safely use discord or riot if don't have for on know or have access to tech savvy things?/ If that is true, and ISP can be traced, ones should know for their RTS to be safe. Can nes specify safety, please?

nathanwblair

you need to use Tor for voat.co or Discord or Riot to be untraceable. Kinda only works well from a desktop, though afaik

Cbradio

))

wecanhelp

Good to know, thanks for clarifying.

wecanhelp

@kevdude , OP and I have discussed this a little further in PMs, and I've been pointed to this comment of yours.

Before we add this channel as an official recommendation to the sidebar: I'm concerned about sending people to a closed-source, centralized service when we already have a privacy-focused Riot instance that is both open-source and decentralized. I also don't think it's a good idea to further divide the community between two chat services. I think this should be discussed before we add the link.

nathanwblair

all the same problems with v/pizzagatewhatever - which the discord replaces - arise with Discord (centralization etc.) also being open source doesn't help - ie. reddit - they just change the source code

@kevdude @wecanhelp on the security aspect of discord, investigators like @redberries use discord through tor browser, since discord works with full functionality in a browser

riot is great but isn't working, discord is. i can try and help with riot if you want

like i've said earlier, i've been coding a discord replacement, but that'll be up in like a fortnight, so until then...

wecanhelp

they just change the source code

The difference is that

  • we know when they change it;
  • we know how they change it.

discord through tor browser

I think that's the minimum for anonymity with both Discord and Riot, but given the decentralized, redundant nature of Riot (technically, Matrix ), there is no single point of control or failure, meaning you have to take down the entire network of participants to take down the discussion.

riot is great but isn't working

What's wrong with it? I'm not protecting it in that aspect as I haven't used it, merely interested.

nathanwblair

@wecanhelp sorry how do we know when voat changes their source code? thought it was the same system as (open source) reddit, who changed theirs without us knowing

also i agree about the decentralized nature of riot making it better, and that's why i'm writing a distributed version of Discord (which i prefer) that's scheduled to have a working version in ~14 days

wecanhelp

We can watch the repository on GitHub , the same as in Reddit's case. I'm not sure about your reference of Reddit changing code without the community knowing it. Was it due to some components turning out to be closed-source, or rather a human error with the changes being visible on GitHub but the community not noticing?

that's why i'm writing a distributed version of Discord

I don't want to discourage your work at all, but it is highly undesirable for our people to migrate to a freshly baked software that has no community peer-reviewing it and will inherently have a lot of bugs and vulnerabilities waiting to eventually be discovered and treated. Reinventing the wheel is not necessarily the good strategy.

nathanwblair

my "discord replacement" decentralizes at a https-level, there's not enough (new) code involved to have a lot of vulnerabilities, you'll see. it's definitely be superior & less vunerable than v/pizzagatewhatever (which it replaces) from the get-go

wecanhelp

But we already have Riot for that purpose. You're comparing to /v/pizzagatewhatever , I'm comparing to Riot. Basically, you're coming up with a third tool as a solution when we already have a tool that works both in itself and as a /v/pizzagatewhatever substitute if we decide to use it as such.

nathanwblair

@wecanhelp so the discord is temporary either way, we can move to riot if we get taken down before then, since all info is submitted to voat we won't have lost info

wecanhelp

Moving , in itself, comes with a tremendous transaction cost and significant dropout rates. We already have a Riot with about 300 people currently online.

nathanwblair

sorry? where are we moving from? the discord is to replace v/pizzagatewhatever , which itself has the exact same issues, but is already less active than the discord.

wecanhelp

I was responding to your mention of moving:

we can move to riot if we get taken down before then

We already have Riot to do exactly what your Discord channel is meant to do. I don't see why that isn't enough.

thisistotallynotme

discord is not safe. Do not trust.

Matrix , however, is safe, and can be run from tor or i2p, unlike discord. Do not trust chat programs on clearnet. They're just easy ways to farm IP addresses.

nathanwblair

Discord over Tor Browser still works better than Matrix in my opinion

gopluckyourself

I encourage people to use throwaway emails and vpn's on this...
I just run it in browser (brave) using i2p (geti2p.net)
Yes it's a pain in the ass to do it in brave. If you can't figure it out or find the documentation just use a firefox fork.

redberries

Please do! :)

nathanwblair

@kevdude is this better?