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This is disturbing.

The law is so that Children being forced into prostitution aren't* prosecuted as such. It's not legalizing their prostitution.

Previously kids would be arrested and charged for it when it wasn't their choice to be there in the first place.

Care to tell me your source of information, I would really love to know.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/california-democrats-legalize-child-prostitution/article/2610540 http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/12/29/california-dems-legalize-child-prostitution http://www.wnd.com/2016/12/california-democrats-legalize-child-prostitution-2/

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Cue the mega quake and tsunami. It's time for a flush. Seriously, given what happened to Haiti and Indonesia, I think I would be more than a little concerned about the wrath of God if I lived in Cali!

There seems to be conflicting reports of this story.

From what I've gathered:

• minors involved in prostitution are treated as victims, rather than criminals (this is the now-"legal" bit – meaning, if a minor says "yes" for anything, they cannot be charged. Apparently they were treated as a criminal pre-2017)

• it's illegal for Californians to hire prostitutes (any age), and sex traffickers will still face consequences if they are caught prostituting children.

Source: http://www.snopes.com/child-prostitution-legalized-in-california/ (I know it's Snopes )

Another quote:

So teenage girls (and boys) in California will soon be free to have sex in exchange for money without fear of arrest or prosecution.

http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/12/29/california-dems-legalize-child-prostitution

And I know I've linked potentially "Fake News" sites , but this article that's provided (by OP) doesn't seem to cover everything (from my view), and has a wrongly printed title.

Legalizing sex work has some benefits for workers when they're adults. It keeps people from being on the run and so easier to find if they go missing. For children, we need strongest measures possible. Loads of street kids, foster kids are wild, wild children, neglected and abused all their lives, no family to speak of, they need to be taken into protective custody.

ok, I got to say this!

one - California public school systems are spouting garbage/damaged kids from an echo chamber environment society of progress (pedophilia, gender, whatever they feel like making it ok and legal).

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two - have a high rate of unemployment and a struggling job market for the youth, Add bat shit crazy policy's to make it nearly as hard for them to get hired by raising the minimum wage to $15 hr!

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three - have an abundance of sex workers! cheap, willing to compete, easy to make, love what they do, they'll be their own boss(LOL!) sex workers!.....

California's thought process......this will create/help: 1.jobs for the youth! 2.big pharma! 3.hospitals! 4.porn industry! 5.food industry! 6.victoria secret! 7.cartels! 8.funnirels! 9.silicon valley! etc, etc, etc...... the list goes on and on.

this is a long term economics here ppl! think of the progress California will make!

I made a comment on this thread about pimps. I'm not sure what portion of child prostitution involves kids prostituting themselves and what portion is kids exploited by pimps. In the former category I imagine a lot are runaways trying to survive and this includes a lot of boys (what the UK calls rent boys).

"The Polaris Project, an advocacy group, suggests at least 100,000 child sex trafficking victims are currently in the U.S. The FBI indicates another 200,000 are at risk of sexual exploitation. Estimates that include adult prostitutes push the low millions, and the FBI indicates most older sex workers began between the ages of 11 and 14."

In Wisconsin at least pimping girls is mostly a black male activity (hey, sorry I'm not PC), and in an example I found a 14-year old earned her pimp $3-4k a day with "dancing, sex, and stealing". Sometimes gangs pimp out girls.

A federally funded criminologist found "about 15 percent of men nationwide have purchased sex. He cites a study from the Shapiro Group in Atlanta in which about four percent of would-be johns asked for an adolescent prostitute – but about 42 percent accepted one when offered."

According to my article, in Wisconsin pimps who are convicted of exploiting kids get 15 years to life, johns at least 10 years. Also "prosecutors go easier on prostitutes to avoid victim blaming. The legal system tries to offer them drug rehabilitation, but its effectiveness is questionable."

http://wuwm.com/post/milwaukee-hub-child-sex-trafficking

I think pimps in general and especially those who prey on childhood innocence are among the lowest type of humanity. However I think the focus of pizzagate is on even worse predators.

Even worse child sex trafficking would be selling boys and girls as sex slaves and kidnapping children to order, as in US and Belgian scandals. Still, this is criminality for profit.

My understanding of the UK scandal that broke with Jimmy Savile is it's not so much about money it's more of a situation where like-minded elites prey on vulnerable kids. (I suppose there is money to be made, for instance when the Kray gangster twins provided boys to aristocrats like Lord Boothby.) What's particularly disgusting is the high-level collusion going on to enable and cover up this activity. This last case is the true 'pedocracy' and the worst of all.

Part of the 'pedocracy' is also political power over compromised participants, evidenced by Epstein's videotaping participants, for example.

TL;DR summary: Just contrasting independent underage prostitutes vs pimped prostitutes vs black market in child sex slaves vs elite child abuse rings.

I agree that it seems counterintuitive. But sometimes counterintuitive things work.

I saw an article referencing academic research from other states that have tried this saying it actually does help, but I didn't read the paper.

If you google the number of the bill, there's a lot of debate that's been published on this.

This is the actual wording on the bill:

(2) Notwithstanding paragraph (1), this subdivision does not apply to a child under 18 years of age who is alleged to have engaged in conduct to receive money or other consideration that would, if committed by an adult, violate this subdivision. A commercially exploited child under this paragraph may be adjudged a dependent child of the court pursuant to paragraph (2) of subdivision (b) of Section 300 of the Welfare and Institutions Code and may be taken into temporary custody pursuant to subdivision (a) of Section 305 of the Welfare and Institutions Code, if the conditions allowing temporary custody without warrant are met.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160SB1322

It sounds to me like a good deal. The kids are not made into criminals, instead they can be taken immediately into the care of the state and not charged with a crime.

god i hate her. she is one disgusting pig! little prostitute for the hollyweird mafia!

Strip them of technology and resources and drop them on an island with a nuke pointed at it. They'll cannabilize themselves because they are truly death eaters.

Sadly it's not surprising.

San Francisco likely drives so much of this. It is very close to Sacramento so has the inside track.

Among other things, San Francisco has the Folsom Street Fair, a "leather" event. People who have gone to the event to expose what goes on there report people bringing their children to it, despite that nudity, sadomasochism and even sex acts between participants are on full display.

http://americansfortruth.com/issues/folsom-street-fair-san-francisco/

The character of the event is very much the character of Comet Ping Pong, and the pizzagate scandal makes you consider what may happen behind the scenes at events like these.

You hear about how sex traffickers bring prostitutes to big events like the Super Bowl, Kentucky Derby, political conventions, etc. Now you have to think about children being trafficked at organized events as well.

All it does is attach a criminal record to the kids making it more difficult for them to turn their life around at some point.

Well you are a fucking idiot. A minors criminal record is sealed. Fuck do you even think or is all you do parrot poorly constructed talking points?

Here maybe this will help. Do you remember how street gangs target minors to use them in criminal activities. They target minors because they know the legal system is soft on them and will just put them right back on the street. Criminals use your compassion as a weapon against you.

How you gonna get a girl that is turned "out" to ever testify against her pimp? You are a well intentioned person but you have no idea about the darkside of humanity. A lot of these runaways don't want help and they "love" there pimps. You seem like a nice person but you have no idea.

Here maybe this will help. Do you remember how street gangs target minors to use them in criminal activities. They target minors because they know the legal system is soft on them and will just put them right back on the street.

Why do you think pimps would not use the same tactic once they realize minors can be used the same way in the sex trade?

Both more or less European, but yeah, my bad. Thanks for the +1

It might face some stiff competition....

The point is to take the kids into custody and get them off the streets and get them out of that life. Literally, this law is intended to have those goals.

they are taken into custody, but not arrested. The kids still go through a court process, but they are not charged with a crime. The argument is they are victims of this crime not the perpetrators. They go through a process in dependency court, not criminal court.

Decriminalize is different from legalize. Proponents of this law, which passed a few months ago say it is an anti-trafficking bill. Police can still take the underaged victims into custody. However, instead of them going into the criminal justice system where they would be treated as "deliquents," they are directed to "juvenile dependency court." The intent is to separate them from pimps/traffickers.

Here's an article giving the proponents arguments http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-sac-essential-politics-updates-california-lawmakers-reject-bold-step-1471556676-htmlstory.html

Info on the CA Dependency Court system

100% dishonest spin. The new California law does NOT "legalize child prostitution". Do you want trafficked child sex slaves to be thrown in jail for prostitution? That's what this avoids.

The law affirms stiff criminal penalties for anyone who solicits sex or acts as a pimp or participates in trafficking of sex slaves (especially trafficked children). The only difference is that if a child (under 18) has been trafficked as a sex slave or a prostitute, they would be put in "temporary custody" (usually a rehab center or foster care) instead of being put in jail, though any adults who trafficked them or solicited sex with them or participated in any way will still be subject to arrest.

Here is actual text from the law:

"The bill would authorize the minor to be taken into temporary custody ...

"every person who commits any of the following acts is guilty of disorderly conduct, a misdemeanor:

(a) Who solicits anyone to engage in or who engages in lewd or dissolute conduct in any public place or in any place open to the public or exposed to public view. (b) (1) Who solicits or who agrees to engage in or who engages in any act of prostitution.... (2) this subdivision does not apply to a child under 18 years of age who is alleged to have engaged in conduct to receive money or other consideration that would, if committed by an adult, violate this subdivision. A commercially exploited child under this paragraph may be adjudged a dependent child of the court pursuant to paragraph (2) of subdivision (b) of Section 300 of the Welfare and Institutions Code and may be taken into temporary custody." https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160SB1322

if i read it correctly, it means the minors wont be charged but will still be taken into temporary custody. Provided that custody is actually safe and well intended, it therefore means no convictions/records for the minors which might impact their future.

Still, one wonders as to the true motivation of these changes in the environment Nancy Schaefer revealed

The law was to avoid victims of human trafficking being charged with prostitution themselves. It does not protect brothels or those hiring prostitutes (of any age) http://www.snopes.com/child-prostitution-legalized-in-california/

That being said I believe prostitution should be fully legal for anyone at least the age of consent.

snopes debunked this late september - http://www.snopes.com/child-prostitution-legalized-in-california/ a lot of news on this from around that time - http://archive.is/7kqky what happened that it's news again?

Fuck. It's true. Soros and his pedo puppets are trying to tear this world apart through degenerate "liberal" policies,to facilitate the NWO.This agenda was leaked by an anon on 4chan. Of course, it will help protect these sick fucks as well. I'm leftist as fuck. I'll still hold on to my anti-authoritarian views, but I'm increasingly becoming more socially conservative. This degeneracy is what brought down Babylon. Has this been on going since then?

WTF! Let CA leave the Union! Freaking sick bastards!

Washingtonexaminer is basically reporting on PizzaGate without mentioning it! California has always seemed like a pretty decent state. Could this be honest democrats trying to tell us something by passing a law that would be a crime not to report about? It's pretty straight forward if they were trying to send us a message.

There are good guys among progressives (and it was passed by "the progressives Democrats") even though I know most of the followers here are right wingers. We only disagree on they way forward but we are all in the same boat when it comes to human trafficking and child abductions. I am certain there's a few more Berniecrats among us and it would be nice to have that confirmed.

As Alameda County District Attorney Nancy O'Malley, a national leader on human trafficking issues, told the media, "It just opens up the door for traffickers to use these kids to commit crimes and exploit them even worse."

This also seems to send the message it's okay, it even furthers the idea the child is "not being put in harms way"...this is horrible...

Washingtonexaminer is basically reporting on PizzaGate without mentioning it! California has always seemed like pretty decent state. Could this be honest democrats trying to tell us something by passing a law that would be a crime not to report about? It's pretty straight forward if they were trying to send us a message.

There are good guys among progressives (and it was passed by "the progressives Democrats") even though I know most of the followers here are right wingers. We only disagree on they way forward but we are all in the same boat when it comes to human trafficking and child abductions. I am certain there's a few more Berniecrats among us and it would be nice to have that confirmed.

As Alameda County District Attorney Nancy O'Malley, a national leader on human trafficking issues, told the media, "It just opens up the door for traffickers to use these kids to commit crimes and exploit them even worse."

I read the law and I feel that I entered the Twilight Zone. I heard that in Japan there's high school girls dating with older guys in exchange of money. Just dating because you know, Japan have laws against underage girls having sex with older guys for money. This isn't exploiting a loophole like in Japan, this is outright legalizing that loophole and going further.

I can only presume that the adults will be still arrested, otherwise I think this place of the world just went crazy.

Sorry, not stealing your thunder

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1525070

Just a conserned Brit.

The consequence for pimps kidnapping children under this new law is 16 months in prison and a $2,000 fine or less.

"Taking a minor from her or his parents or guardian for purposes of prostitution. This is a felony punishable by a prison term of 16 months, two years, or three years and a fine of up to $2,000. (Pen. Code § 267.)"

Reminds me of the submission from a couple days ago where an Uber driver found 3 12 year old girls in his car going to their pimp. He called the cops and they were taken into custody. I believe it was in California, too.

Oh, FFS, let them SECEDE!

Yeah, not impressed by this. The politicians backing this in CA. should be looked into immediately. If the case was "Prostitution" then they'd be progressive, and I'd say, "Oh, like NV.".. BUT, put the world "Child" into that equation, and it sets off alarm bells. Sick people in CA. are trying to create a LEGAL SAFE HAVEN for themselves, and their chymo pals before they end up in a prison cell for sex offenses.

What in the heck is wrong with this illogical government ? Government is a joke. Bunch of pedophiles.

What bill was it that passed this? I want to read it but I can't find it

Sounds like it's legal there then for adults to have sex with these minors. Isn't it? And it sounds like there's no minimum age for kids that adults can have sex with. Am I right?

Cops hardly ever arrest prostitutes anyway. They would rather arrest 100 "johns" than one prostitute. Same with drug dealers/buyers. Watch a few eps of 'COPS' they bust buyers coming from "known drug houses" but never bust the drug house. They arrest the "john" and let the prostitute keep working to attract more men to get arrested. It's all about numbers and keeping everyone in the legal system in business.

A 16 year old runaway turning tricks on the street is not exactly "child prostitution". California has a problem with runaways and this apparently is seen as something that can be done about it.

California is becoming #PizzaState.

It looks to me that they are taken into custody but not charged with a crime. This does not legalize anything.

This really alarming and so predictable from #pizzagate legislators. How can this even be possible!

You are crazy if you think victims of human trafficking belong in prison. This is why people hate conservatives.

While the kids can be seen as victims, as you say there is no more leverage with them to stop the prostitution, also no leverage to go after their pimps. (In fact, for pimps, isn't this an incentive to run kids only?)

So , legalizing pedophilia then. And Californians think this is okay ?

Yes, Nancy Pelosi was in on pushing this legislation in 2008. Proposition K was defeated and here it is all grown up. Since the people had the good sense not to vote for this, they just had the jackals voted into office make it a law. Here's the link:

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1507948

And, of course, our prostitute friends at Snopes have debunked this true story with FALSE. Reason? Just because the police will not be able to arrest children or intervene doesn't mean child prostitution is legal. WHAT?!!!! Yup! These people are wretched bottom-feeders! The worst of the worst ... Can you imagine if HRC had gotten in?

For those who haven't...

People are saying the imgur link is dead. So here is another..Miley Cyrus got weird af.

https://sli.mg/a/vZ3Dvz

http://imgur.com/a/dJXnf

Latinos arent known for scrupulously observing age of consent laws, even in their homelands where its like 10. This was probably seen as a populist move

A whole lotta Goat Hill customers voting in Sacremento...

California: the land of fruits and nuts.

Something is wrong here and needs to be looked into.

This is an important articles that is blatantly pizzagate-related and the discussion explains in detail the connection to CF and CF donors, re being deleted.

Is this section in Obamacare on "legal executions" (including beheadings) real, and if so, could the "other specified means" which are NOT specified, be pizzagate related?

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/ebolagate/2014/11/to-attorney-generals-of-all-states-opposing-obamacare-it-includes-illegal-foreign-coding-for-beheadi.html

And this is obviously Pizzagate related.

The Pope, Poop, and Pizzagate: The First Amendment Is A Disgusting Religious Sin

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/ebolagate/2016/12/the-pope-poop-and-pizzagate-the-first-amendment-is-a-disgusting-religious-sin.html

Who are the moderators here? Something is very wrong here.

From the article:

As Alameda County District Attorney Nancy O'Malley, a national leader on human trafficking issues, told the media, "It just opens up the door for traffickers to use these kids to commit crimes and exploit them even worse." Another prosecutor insightfully observed that if traffickers wrote legislation to protect themselves, it would read like SB 1322.

Minors involved in prostitution are clearly victims, and allowing our law enforcement officers to pick these minors up and get them away from their pimps and into custody is a dramatically better solution than making it legal for them to sell themselves for sex. That only deepens their victimization and renders law enforcement powerless to stop the cycle of abuse. SB 1322 is not simply misguided — its consequences are immoral.

Unfortunately for Californians, SB 1322 isn't an outlier — it's only the tip of the liberal iceberg. 2017 will see the Golden State subjected to wave after wave of laws taking effect that are well-intentioned but disastrous embodiments of progressive utopianism.

Legalizing Prostitution Doesn't Help Sex Trafficked Youth

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/kevin-m-ryan/legal-prostitution-canada_b_4482060.html

What the actual fucking fuck

Wow. They really are moonbats, eh? Legislative lunacy.

what the fuck?!! This is part of the same culture as NYT's "pedophile is really okay" headline a few weeks ago. This is Major Fuck Up In California! Unbelievable. First the mandatory Gardasil vaccines, now this. Step 1, and then Step 2? wtf wtf wtf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

how "enterprising!"

Shame on them.

heheh.... wut?
seriously?
Damn that state really lost their minds.