search4truth

So many suicides in DC.

HarveyKlinger

I'm missing the "outing Bush Sr." part. Other than a click bait headline, it really has no relevance. From your link, here are ALL of the references to Bush:

Months after the scandal had died down, and a few weeks before Spence was found in a room of the Boston Ritz-Carlton Hotel, he was asked who had given him the "key" to the White House. Michael Hedges and Jerry Seper of The Washington Times reported that "Mr. Spence hinted the tours were arranged by 'top level' persons", including Donald Gregg, national security adviser to Vice President George H. W. Bush at the time the tours were given.

When pressed to identify who it was who got him inside the White House, Spence asked "Who was it who got [long-term CIA operative] Félix Rodríguez in to see Bush?", agreeing that he was alluding to Mr. Gregg.

Gregg himself dismissed the allegation as "absolute bull", according to Hedges and Seper. "It disturbs me that he can reach a slimy hand out of the sewer to grab me by the ankle like this," he told the reporters. "The allegations are totally false."

ALDO_NOVA

by saying the tours were arranged by Gregg, it implicates Bush IMO

HarveyKlinger

LOL, no. Just... no.

tippyc

Always had a feeling this started way before Slick Willie. The real question is, will we discover how far back it goes, or is putting an end to it good enough?

ALDO_NOVA

Bush Sr is key - but sex scandal and blackmail goes back to Hoover, early FBI & CIA only then it was being "gay" that ruined your career, Bush/Clinton Cartel have upped the perversion

tippyc

Does it really stop there, or does it go back further? Teddy Roosevelt? Andrew Jackson?

AndyMc7

This stuff has been going on with the elite for time immemorial, its only just now with the internet age we're starting to discover it

ALDO_NOVA

no idea - but I don't think TR had any history like this.

but back in Jacksons day, they had LEGAL slaves to rape all they wanted I guess

why Lincoln was a great man - tried to put an end to it was killed. same as JFK.

Orange_Circle

Must also mention that Professor Tom Philpot was "suicided" after he researched and produced "Boy for Sale" in Houston.

Video is on Youtube.

rickman

I watched that 1981 interview just the other day. I had a gut feeling he would be dead now.

remedy4reality

Wiki is such a shit source for anything Bush or Clinton related..

I trust nothing from them on those people.

Orange_Circle

Back in the day, a woman took it upon herself to archive all the nefarious actions of the Clinton's. She and friends at FreeRepublic archived every thing they could find over many years.

The archive still exists and it's treasures are overflowing. https://archive.is/Git10 Spence page.

The page: https://archive.is/RLK9D

@ALDO_NOVA

ALDO_NOVA

!!!

Orange_Circle

Yep, it's a gold mine.

remedy4reality

Thanks Aldo... that derision was not directed at your post, but at Wikipedia. I've known of the Franklin Scandal and Craig Spence since it broke while I was in college. Within 5 minutes of looking into PG ( 4 days after the election ), literally hundreds of pieces fell into place.

ALDO_NOVA

no problem, I dont trust wiki much either but the basic info was there to start it off

remedy4reality

Hey! I saw Aldo Nova open for Triumph and Journey in 1982 at the Rose Bowl ;)

ALDO_NOVA

awesome! love all those bands, there is no magic in music today like that

quantokitty

I'm more interested in where Spence bought his home: "Spence and Mr. Shiina were embroiled in a real estate deal involving the house in Kalorama, a two-story Victorian showpiece valued by real estate agents at $1.15 million. Spence had told friends that he obtained the money to buy the house by blackmailing Mr. Shiina. Mr. Shiina denied he was blackmailed by Mr. Spence."

This is exactly the area where Alefantis, Brock, Obama, and the Podestas are buying real estate. I'm going to do some digging about that area.

ALDO_NOVA

have a theory why this area may be important - many of these nice houses may already come equiped with elaborate custom basements such as Tony's movie room. the homes exchange hands to those that need them for similar purposes.

check listings on zillow for homes in area and see what kind of extra space or ammenities they have:

http://www.zillow.com/kalorama-washington-dc/

lol first one found has renovations: http://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Kalorama-Washington-DC/pmf,pf_pt/461181_zpid/268815_rid/38.924961,-77.037421,38.907832,-77.066732_rect/14_zm/

"In 2011, award-winning architect Mark McInturff beautifully renovated the residence and enlarged it with a three story modern addition. "

fuck that reminds me of a recent story I saw about London - all the nice homes are getting renovations done to build expansive basements: https://youtu.be/PwSmcaj39e4?t=90

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLJ0zZQb9x0

quantokitty

I suspect you're right. Have no idea where to find out, but if I get a few minutes I'll poke around and go google dumpster diving.

Thanks for the links. Interesting.

Theupsidedown

Yeah I'm sure Kalorama just has a bunch of underground escape tunnels for getting to cover in nuclear situations, civil unrest, etc.

https://www.loc.gov/item/88690870/ - this is a link to a plat map of the original aqueduct extension under the kalorama neighborhood

quantokitty

Thanks. Yeah, I wonder if they are interconnected somehow. It's just so weird how everyone is clustered together. I mean, can the "pizza" from Podesta's oven really be that good?!!!

tippyc

link has been wiped, no image available

Theupsidedown

No it hasn't....try again. This is a link to purchase old dc maps

ALDO_NOVA

oh rrrreeeally I saw the Kalorama mention, but didn't know the area enough to connect - let us know what else you find - well done!

quantokitty

Just popped out and hit me over the head. Washington Life I think did a story on Alefantis/Brock and Podesta moving in ... didn't they buy their houses on the same day? And now Obama bought a house. Just one big incestuous family.

ALDO_NOVA

one of his last statements:

"All this stuff you've uncovered (involving call boys, bribery and the White House tours), to be honest with you, is insignificant compared to other things I've done. But I'm not going to tell you those things, and somehow the world will carry on."

also - from his last videotape "goodbye":

Known for dropping hints that he worked for the CIA, he did not directly deny any blackmail. "Some of you may know when it comes to the intelligence community, there is no such thing as coincidence. Now, I'm not sure I've seen the whole picture yet myself."

"I'll close by telling you I'm sure that in the end the truth will come out and this too will pass," he said. "Now, I may be naive about my optimism, but I'm an American, proud of my country and confident of the fairness of its people. So take heart, good friends, and share that pride and that confidence with me. Good night and God bless."

more links here:

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/11/12/us/lobbyist-linked-to-sex-case-is-found-dead.html --- http://archive.is/klMYU

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/08/10/us/lobbyist-is-arrested-in-new-york.html --- http://archive.is/Uq7ou

http://people.com/archive/a-season-of-scandal-takes-its-final-toll-on-mysterious-lobbyist-craig-spence-vol-32-no-22/ --- http://archive.is/apbyu

from article below V: "Spence arranged for delivery of as many as a dozen copies of the numbered videotapes (of his goodbyes) including one provided yesterday to The Washington Post, "in case I ever disappear."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1989/11/13/dc-sex-scandal-figure-taped-farewell-to-friends/1c2fcd73-876f-4394-84c1-50948d41589d/ --- http://archive.is/cbMvw

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,958213,00.html - need subscription - anyone?

INTERESTING

according to the article below: the Washington Times originaly said he "commited suicide because he couldn't live with the thought of having AIDS" (keep in mind he had just been implicated in connection to the WH Call Boy scandal and was afraid for his life)

http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1989/Lobbyist-Linked-To-Scandal-Craig-Spence-Found-Dead-in-Boston-Hotel-Room/id-b23c2d81176c8d92a2f5069039bdc0b0 /// http://archive.is/8jRw6

yet his suicide "note" only said he "was officially resigning" due to the scandal

now when you search his name on the Wash Times website - there is no mention or articles on him AT ALL

chickyrogue

this breaks my heart justice for Craig and all the otheres who are still nameless.....