sundalanded

nice - keep it up, farthead. you're the one who opened w/ "You are morons." calling me a pedo = escalation of ad hominem + projection - just more of the same from you.

if you don't wanna address any of my queries, just means you're the one who's failing the basics.

sundalanded

oh? pray reiterate your points, then we'll see who's giving up or not.

did you mean that circumstantial evidence isn't a subspecies of evidence?

or that circumstantial evidence isn't to be considered by a trier of fact?

or that circumstantial evidence isn't actual evidence, upon which investigations are initiated and built?

or that circumstantial evidence equals conjecture?

or that you're a windbag shill, farting knowledge that stinks upwind & downwind?

guess you'd rather keep everything hunkydory, business as usual, move along, nothing to see here, leave the inferences to the "pros" - all while the pedos in power skate...

go on, tho - serve up some more ad hominem attacks with a side of weakass projection, fart4brains.

sundalanded

weak! - i guess we're done, then.

sundalanded

55555!!!!! - whattaya mean "you people"? please don't project your sorry winded asshole shape onto me, my butt stay strong, esp knowing how rekt u feel from farting so-called "knowledge" all da livelong day! :-p you feeling skairty-kat b/c too close 4 komfort? 55555!!!!!

Millennial_Falcon

Flairing "accuracy in question" to giver users a heads-up to problems with this video, as identified in several comments.

Vindicator

I love the visual quality and pace of this video -- it IS good. Unfortunately, it's full of inaccuracies that are worse than nothing at all. Please don't be offended OP, but I am gong to downvoat this for that reason. Ping me if you repost a corrected, fully accurate version and I will upvoat and spread like crazy!

Vindicator

Circumstantial evidence **IS MOST CERTAINLY **admissible in court, I_Fart_Rubbish. Read it and weep:

Circumstantial evidence is evidence that relies on an inference to connect it to a conclusion of fact—like a fingerprint at the scene of a crime. By contrast, direct evidence supports the truth of an assertion directly—i.e., without need for any additional evidence or inference.

On its own, circumstantial evidence allows for more than one explanation. Different pieces of circumstantial evidence may be required, so that each corroborates the conclusions drawn from the others. Together, they may more strongly support one particular inference over another. An explanation involving circumstantial evidence becomes more likely once alternative explanations have been ruled out.

Circumstantial evidence allows a trier of fact to infer that a fact exists. In criminal law, the inference is made by the trier of fact in order to support the truth of an assertion (of guilt or absence of guilt).

Testimony can be direct evidence or it can be circumstantial. For instance, a witness saying that she saw a defendant stab a victim is providing direct evidence. By contrast, a witness who says that she saw the defendant enter a house, that she heard screaming, and that she saw the defendant leave with a bloody knife gives circumstantial evidence. It is the necessity for inference, and not the obviousness of a conclusion, that determines whether evidence is circumstantial.

Forensic evidence supplied by an expert witness is usually treated as circumstantial evidence. For instance, a forensic scientist may provide results of ballistic tests proving that the defendant’s firearm fired the bullets that killed the victim, but not necessarily that the defendant fired the shots.

Circumstantial evidence is especially important in civil and criminal cases where direct evidence is lacking . -Wikipedia >

Vindicator

Hotard

Vindicator

Whoever is making these shill accounts needs to kick their creative game up a notch. Are you lazy? Or actually retarded?

ZalesMcMuffin

You never get a second chance to make a first impression.

As I posted on Gab earlier:

As one example of an error, the author -- like so many of us have -- misconstrues JA's "#hotard" comment as being a comment on the baby, but look at the context and you can see he's exchanging jibes with a friend (joewills).

To expand on that Gab... uh... whatever a Gab posting is (Gabbet? Gab-up? just a Gab?)...

Here is the source, for reference:

https://aceloewgold.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/hotard1.png

As we can see, the #hotard hashtag is introduced by "joewills" with this comment:

@jimmycomet you are quickly becoming my favorite hash-tagger #hotard

To which JA replies:

hotard

...and we're off and running with the outrage machine (once Pizzagate starts).

So here's the problem. While the punctuation and grammar are somewhat ambiguous, I find the most intuitive reading of this exchange to be that JW is calling JA a "hotard" and JA is just calling him the same thing back, in fun. In support of this, note that JA had already made 3 previous comments, all apparently about the image itself. JW's comment introduced a direct dialogue between him and JA. I believe the "hotard" comment from JA was a reply in kind. Also, JA pings JW to JA's "hotard" comment with

@joewills

That seems to me to indicate that he thought JW would get something from revisiting the IG page. I believe that that something is the jest of calling JW a "hotard" back. If JW's comment was intended as a labeling of the image, then what would JA's comment have added? Why bother pinging JW back to the page just to see that JA had been a copycat? A tit-for-tat makes more sense in that context.

There is a counter-case to be made, that both JW and JA were intending their "hotard" comment to apply to the image, not to each other. This is conceivable. However, it clearly isn't certain. Thus, this is not the best evidence to start off with at/near the start of the video.

The same applies to other items already mentioned ITT by others.

This video needs a good updating to remove bogus info and ensure that it leads off with strong stuff, not things which reasonable people may feel are not legitimate.

Vindicator

Excellent analysis. This makes more sense.

BeezleyBillyBub

Thanx I agree and will send him a link so he can see the criticisms

Hopevoats

I had to stop watching, out of frustration.

When Pizzagate first started, someone attempted to decipher the codewords in the Podesta emails. This list has since been quoted as fact; and this video seems to credit them as having been vetted by the FBI. This muddies the water and affects the credibility of the citizen investigation.

And the little girl in a "shopping cart" is not in a shopping cart. That's a fryer basket; which I think has more sinister implications.

sundalanded

circumstantial evidence = evidence, =/= conjecture

if you don't see enough here that at least demands further investigation, you're either willfully/shillfully ignorant and/or you're here for no good reason. take your knowledgeable farts elsewhere, asshat.

v4Zz

Can't listen to anybody who thinks the earth is flat, regardless if its good or not. It's not like people need to see this. No thanks, I'm good.

APC_Frankfurt

All these evaluations are very good. Please can I say something about Marina Abramovic? It is stated in this video and by many others that she says that art and ritual are separte tracks. THEY ARE NOT. Abramovic is a sworn occultist, there is only a way for people like her. Art means black art for the purpose of the legion. 'art events, rituals and objects' only to make more propaganda and to win more influence for their agenda. One thing I find useful is the image of Obama and Abramovic, it gives me the impression that is true Obama is a MK Ultra kid. Never believe Abramovic.

Hillary and Alefantis, Weiner, and Podesta were made the weakest link, ignoring the basic of internet safety.

Verite1

I definitely had some comments about this having done hours and hours of research. In general! For all videos going forward: It Is my humble opinion that we should: - Make it clear that we are indeed discussing the scandal known as Pizzagate. "There is a reason for it now we're going to give you the background." -Flip flop the way it's laid out. Start with a summary of George Webb's "Where is Eric Braverman series." We can bullet point or condense into two minutes or less, including the board members and key players, how they are on all of the same companies, list the KNOWN, busted, documented, famous pedophilia rings, foreign and domestic, show those who HAVE been held accountable, (we've been thrown a couple of bones), drill down to the US the high rates of trafficking in the various states, once we get to Virginia, connect Dyncorp to the CIA to Clinton/Bushes. Don't forget to add that Hungarian woman majorly important Democrat Hillary Clinton donor in Los Angeles who has the west coast distribution, film world, Jeff connection to Hollywood. Boom. Then you insert Pizzagate. At the end. But start on the memes about the big stuff NOW. I also want to add 1. James Alefantis and his name meaning the infants, les enfants, is dumb. We need to discard that. 2. The email where Hillary refers to sacrificing a chicken to Moloch, also is pointless unless we have covered the Haiti connection. Hillary knows people accuse her of being the antichrist and melodramatic etc. It's more likely she was excited about the "business opportunities" of Haiti and she's referencing having to be down there and absorb some of their culture. My opinion. Until we have more proof. 3. The reference to walnuts and sauce may or may not be code. Let's focus on the "playing dominoes on cheese or pizza" and the wherehouses and the storage facilities and the trucking companies and the gps companies a bit more.
4. Email from Luzzato referring to the annual get together on the Vineyard, where the kids will be joining them in the pool. This is one area that is still very weak. Kids indeed are entertaining. We don't need it to make our case. This woman knows, them they're close families. (By the way I'm still confused by that photograph of the two Asian women with the children. Did those reporters get busted or did they try and rescue kids and Podesta could have been saying now that they're safe and back in the United States it doesn't get any better than this? I'm still confused about that lead.) This shit is the novel Patterson would be writing if he weren't dead.

GenghisSean

I couldn't agree more. There is more than enough legitimate evidence. We don't need unconfirmed or incorrect facts in these videos.

BeezleyBillyBub

fuck off shit poster

BeezleyBillyBub

almost as fake as you fuck face

postfascion

Gonna remember that one. Nicely put. Unfortunately at the moment many can't see it, but they cotton on at some point.

fifibrindacier

That kind of informations discredits the investigation. Also, James Alefantis doesn't mean at all I like children. In french it is J'aime les enfants (Prononciation is more closed to Jame lay zofo). Alefantis seems to be a usual name : https://lastnames.myheritage.dk/last-name/alefantis

BeezleyBillyBub

Thank you for pointing out the mistakes. They don't detract from the overall effectiveness of the presentation.

ZalesMcMuffin

Yes, they do. Like some others here, I had to stop watching due to the sloppiness I was seeing. I only made it a few minutes in. This is not "the best video OMG OMG OMG OMG show it to everyone!!eleventy!" It's sloppy. It needs to be corrected.

awakenaware

Dont let the fact that hes a flat earther put you off.. flat earthers are growing every day, and many of the alt media researchers have recently or in the last year also become flat earthers. Its what happens when you apply your research logic to the earth and the physics behind it. After a while if you are not too programmed and are willing to consider all possibilities no matter how much they go against your childhood programming, you may also realise that the evidence for a flat earth is far more compelling than the evidence for a spinning ball earth. I simply ask you if you ahve the time to look into it. One of the best primers is to goto the youtube channel Jeranism and go back about a year or more and start watching his videos with an open mind. You could be blown away. Because the flat earth is very well known by those elites like Obama, Hillary etc.. In fact you'll start noticing much mocking and references by them of a flat earth and enclosed dome. I KNOW it sounds ridiculous at first reading.. I know your mind my recoil and say ridiculous just like it did the first time you heard about pizzagate. BUT flat earth is related! Yes im not shitting you. The elites bloodlines have been obsessed with the truth of the enclosed flat earth since the first time they sent rockets and they hit the dome and bounced off. Just think of all the symbolism we have in modern media.. The Dome TV series and much more. References in The Simpsons and much more. Hillary talks often about "breaking the glass ceiling".. Back in the 1980s the USA sent nukes into the upper atmosphere to attempt to break through this dome. They have never done it. Everything is contained within. If you look at the planets through a high power real telescope they look like pulsing plasma balls of light. Even the moon through a telescope has been known to resemble a projection rather than a solid object. Everything we think we know about this reality is a LIE! And the elites know this, and they have been selling us a lie all along about what space is and isnt. Much more to say but I leave it up to you. The flat earth is a big part of this story.. Antarctica is a huge circular ring of ice not a polar region.. the north pole is real.. the south isnt, thats why there has never been one single flight accross the south pole.. because it doesnt exist. Thats why we have the Antarctic Treaty to stop anyone going too far south. It prevents all planes and ships from getting too close to the truth. I woke up the flat earth (dome earth model) about february 2016.. I am now 100% certain we are living on a motionless horizontal plane. I have proven to myself from a long vantage point that there is no curvature. Curvature is totally false. Anyone can prove it to themselves. There are many places in the world where you can look across a flat plane and see cities, the base of mountains and other objects like islands at over 100 miles away which is impossible on a curved ball. Totally impossible! Check it out for yourself before you dismiss it.

trevor_reznik

Thanks for sharing! I just started watching flat earth videos a few days ago. Crazy how you start to see things more clearly, once you open up your mind to the possibility that you might have been lied to your whole life.

ProudTruther

People have known the world is round for a long time. When people in the olden days noticed that the first part of an approaching ship were the mast and the sails, they realized that there must be an element of roundness to the earth.

awakenaware

Thats been thoroughly debunked.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nUFLLUahSI

postfascion

But it succeeded in getting us off topic didn't it. The fact there seems to be flaws in the video also helps. It is very likely limited hangout misinfo.

webrustler

Fuck your dumb shit.

EQJ

Upvote! Very long video but one of the best yet! Perfect video to open a nonbelievers eyes as well!

Lehye

Good work OP. This is an excellent documentary for first time exposure to pizzagate.

Alpo

I don't think it helps us to be associated with this kind of thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGxR9a-oznA

Stukov

While Trump supposedly went on the plane with Epstine only once, and also kicked him out of his club after he made comments about a teenage girl there.

He also said the pictures of the digging was of comet ping pong, when we are pretty sure here that it is from the pajama factory.

He got the Andrew Klein thing wrong, and also the girl in Hati didn't commit suicide when there was no autopsy and several of her friends and family have said she was murdered. She also was about to release info she said she was working on for a thesis. It is also of note, its rather rare for a 23 y/o individual to go to another country to investigate something and commit suicide, it is completely against human behavior in its fullest.

AreWeSure

He's smart to start with Alefantis and not the emails becuase then you have to defend the assumptions made about the emails.

I stopped when he said Political Action Committees were donating to Comet Ping Pong. How is that people are still getting this wrong?

Millennial_Falcon

Donations can be seen here , here , and here .

What is it we're getting wrong?

AreWeSure

You don't make donations to for profit businesses you pay them for goods and services they provide you. When a candidate goes out to Iowa to campaign, he buys a plane ticket. That's not a donation.

If you go here https://beta.fec.gov/data/disbursements/?two_year_transaction_period=2016&max_date=01%2F03%2F2017 you can see other private companies that got disbursements: Staples, American Airlines, Uber, Delta Airlines, Price Cutter, Verizon Wireless. Political Action Committees pay companies all the time, this is not unusual whatsoever. I"m sure there's limits and rules, but on a basic level, it doesn't tell you much.

Millennial_Falcon

So it's evidence of them paying Comet for something? what would a PAC be buying from Comet worth 20k?

AreWeSure

My guess would be renting the restaurant and food and drink. But that's a legit question.

Hooliganscat

Excellent video!

BeezleyBillyBub

thnx

Orangutan

This guy is a flat earth advocate just so you know:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnTUiyaI9Io

Besides the Flat Earth stuff, here's what I noticed while watching the video. After completing it I still think its excellent and worth spreading. Peace.

Any source for the Claudia Pavonis quote at 1:52

At the 16 minute mark he seems to confuse the senders and recipients of the email.

He also stresses the code words are from the FBI when actually the document only portrays logos the FBI has put forth

Misreads the email mentioned at 17:19 in documentary.

37:44 misspelling of Frank Winstead's last name.

silverstar23

Spreading videos with FALSE information does more harm than good.

Orangutan

Yeah. Possibly. I just don't want the effort or cause to fail due to lack of perfection.

silverstar23

Claiming the pedo code words are documented by the FBI is giant red flag. What's the point of spending so much time putting a video together if you're going to include such blatantly false information? Hmm I wonder. I stopped watching when he claimed that the name James Alefantis translates to "I love children" - cute story, but not true.

Pizzainmyass

Maybe he just needs a lil help. Lol. I agree those absolutely should not be in the video but maybe can just tell him to edit it

DefenderOfTruth

Personally, I trust flat earthers more than the establishment. A lot of them are very red-pilled and truly see the big picture. I do understand that there is some junk science spread by shills in flat earth world, but I can't deny NASA is bunk.

Everything goes back to the good vs evil battle after the fall of man. We're starting to hit the climax of it, so be ready and try to find out for yourself that Pizzagate is just one pillar of Satan's empire.

Orangutan

What's the other pillar?

DefenderOfTruth

This is just based on what I know/have reasoned out. In addition to the child abuse and mind control, the pillars of evil I see so far from the elites are:

Destruction of health

Through GMOs, drugs full of dangerous side effects, contaminated vaccines, and processed "foods" sold to us in grocery stores

http://www.newstarget.com/2016-05-03-why-are-they-trying-to-kill-us-a-deeper-look-into-the-mass-production-of-americas-toxic-food.html

Destruction of family

Through the media, CPS, and public schools we are having more influence than ever to break up the inherently good family unit. See this insightful article by Henry Makow: https://www.henrymakow.com/000319.html

Destruction of the pure Christianity that Jesus taught

Religion is getting more and more distant from the Bible. Satanism & Atheism are the "religions" of the day. We were meant to be moral. Check out C. S. Lewis' book Mere Christianity and the Screwtape letters.

Destruction of Freedom

We should have freedoms in healthcare, school, right to bear arms, right to live off the grid, right to choose what religion to practice or whether to practice at all...etc. As soon as a good idea becomes mandatory, it is ruined. The Elites want a One World Order and all control. They want to take away our freedom.

kekistocrat

For what it's worth... '33' is used. Coincidence or ? The Freemason's are notorious for hijacking a movement and trying to lead it. Good documentary. Just throwing it out there.

Orangutan

We need to be skeptical of any leaders in this movement. This guy MartyLeeds33 is also a Flat Earth proponent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnTUiyaI9Io

kekistocrat

Flat Earth, huh. There's another Freemason connection. Scroll down in the comments and see some high profile names commenting so who knows. Leastways, another person making a video about exposing Pizzagate. Take the good with the bad, I guess.

algernon4peace

I agree, this is very well done! :) Will share!

NoBS

Excellent find. This is the video the clueless need to be "tricked" into watching. Tell them this video proves it is all fake and hope they watch. Most clueless live a lie, you are only protecting them if you lie them on.