Millennial_Falcon

The question is separating out the disinfo around "chemtrails" from what is actually happening. The alarmism surrounding the label "chemtrails" seems pretty disconnected from reality IMO. Just watched the youtube vid. He was talking about the tech hypothetically, not saying they have implemented such tech.

You're not here to learn truth but to spread disinfo.

Shill calling me a shill. I'm used to that now.

Millennial_Falcon

Please stop spreading disinformation.

pot calling kettle black

I just looked at one. Kucinich refers to a weapon system when he mentions "chemtrails," not weather control. Checking the other source now.

Millennial_Falcon

Please learn to research before commenting, you're wasting people's time.

The thing is that MY time is also limited, especially given how much time I spend contributing to /v/pizzagate .

Millennial_Falcon

Even the CIA has finally admitted what we can all see daily.

source?

What you see daily is condensation trails. Burning jet fuel produces water vapor. Basic chemistry.

Millennial_Falcon

Just want to give a heads-up about Gunderson. Personally, I believe he was a shill. He has been a promoter of just about every bogus theory one can come up with: reptilians, FEMA internment camps, a United Nations army taking over the United States, chemtrails, "pineapple bombs" at Oklahoma, no-planes on 9/11

COINTELPRO is an FBI program aimed at disrupting dissidents. I believe Gunderson's goal was actually to discredit conspiracy research by introducing fake evidence, "poisoning the well," giving talks to groups of conspiracy researches to get them to adopt bad evidence and false "tinfoil hat" versions of their theories (e.g. "no plane at the Pentagon"), in order to discredit the true general claims (e.g. 9/11 = inside job) with the general public. Basic "black propaganda." He promoted the McMartin Preschool case as an example of an elite pedophile ring. The McMartin case is a well-known case of false allegations. The mother who made the initial allegations was crazy. She based it on her son having disrupted bowel movements. The jury exonerated the accused because video showed the interviewers basically coercing the toddlers into saying they were abused, using leading questions that violated California guidelines at the time. One of the kids sent an apology to the LA times as an adult. That case was the real case of "false memories" that spawned the whole concept.

Fateswebb

Some of the things you say, like no plane at the pentagon, are very credible claims. There is actually no evidence of a plane at the pentagon.. it's just how the story was told.. outside of a single engine and a couple pieces of aluminum. Nothing there and nothing in the one released video. I believe there is some evidence for chemtrails as well, but yeah the lizard people thing always get me.. how some people believe that shit is beyond me. I have a perfectly intelligent friend that believes it and I just am like wtf... when theories like that are floated it turns people off to all the rest.

Millennial_Falcon

Some of the things you say, like no plane at the pentagon, are very credible claims.

It has been made to appear credible by people trying to deceive you. D.C. is densely populated. There's a multilane highway that goes right by the Pentagon. Thousands of people saw the plane. The Pentagon itself is like its own little city. The idea that they would have even tried to use a missile, and expect to get away with it, is ludicrous.

Fateswebb

I think the plane may have actually flown over the building, it's not disinformation a plane did not hit that building its impossible, check the first pictures before the building collapsed after a bit, the entire plane would have to have disappeared into a single window of the building. Impossible man. It was another mind fuck.

pissfractal

Im not here to advocate for Gunderson, but lets see a source for these THOUSANDS of witnesses that saw a plane actually impact the pentagon

rwinkel

John Zielinski of Franklin Coverup fame gave me this CD a couple years ago, which he got from John DeCamp. Lots of material here.