ZalesMcMuffin

How are people supposed to ever reveal any conspiracy without some kind of theory first?

And what is a "Conspiracy Theory"? How is that different from a "conspiracy theory"? Are you referencing the Mel Gibson movie?

Investigate1999

You're welcome.

Ah, yes. I see. Thank you for explaining.

Investigate1999

I could send you a link by private mail message if that would make it easier to find the link.

Also, I'm no longer a mod. kevdude revoked my privileges.

I don't understand what you mean by exvictim.

In this subverse, users might post a lot of good information, but that doesn't help, because of information overload. The mods have made other subverses to post there.

The key to posting here is brevity. Don't just post things, expecting people to like it. You have to explain the relevance. There is so much junk being posted here.

Investigate1999

The mods read the post titles/descriptions, and the text portions. They then see if any of that breaks the rules. The post then gets deleted if they break the rules. You can see the deleted posts, by clicking on "Removed submissions" at the bottom of the side bar.

contrary_mma_hipster

"If I had to guess, though, I'd go with a freezer, not a "kill room". "

Relevant:

"They were first thrown in a container behind the building where they were murdered. It was a cooling container. "

http://themillenniumreport.com/2016/12/mafia-wife-says-royals-politicians-are-killing-raping-children-for-fun/

Investigate1999

Are you saying you are getting a court date?

No. I'm just posting the information that he talked about. I am trying to prove that some of what he says is true to some degree at least. I'm trying to present in an unbiased manner any evidence that I can find.

I won't post the details of what I deleted. You can find it around here. It's not hidden or secretive.

looking4truth

If the government can hire crisis actors to storm comet pingpong then they can easily fabricate this "Alfantis threatened me " story. Could be a government shill. I could be wrong. The point is don't believe things too easily and quickly. Think

Investigate1999

Goodness. That's a good point! Whenever there is an attack, we are happy to shout, "False flag!", but as soon as "1 of us" is attacked or threatened, we say, "Oh, it's real!".

Thank you for chiming in!

chlrndrmz

This is a collective effort to put a stop to human trafficking and Satanic ritual abuse so quit moaning and show support towards each other. Our reward will come soon enough when we see the pedos convicted and hanged.

28leinad82

This guy is legit. People spending time and effort trying to prove it's a fake are wasting time that they should be spending investigating the evidence he uncovered.

ZalesMcMuffin

Prove it.

HarleyDavidsonRider

I commented in one of pizagate gears video that i live in houston and work in vip protection. If your out there and happen to see this if you need and extra pair of eyes send me a PM. i commented on your video last night.

Investigate1999

Just so that you know, I'm not Pizzagate Gear. I doubt that he'll see your comment, unless you mention him with the "@" symbol.

Celticgirlonamission

That can be a state or federal charge depending on who wants to pick it up

Investigate1999

So, you're saying that a civilian can submit to an official site a report full of gibberish?

ZalesMcMuffin

Can? Sure. Should? Generally, no.

Investigate1999

Just for the record, I want to state that that is an official web site. I followed the link from the police web site to there.

Fateswebb

The terrorist threat charge in Texas is not a huge deal they hand them out all the time and it's a misdemeanor I'm pretty sure. It's basically a ticket... it just sounds bad...

Fateswebb

So why does the police report list basically nothing at all except the terrorist threat, it has no details about what happened who did it or anything. Seems useless.

Investigate1999

I'm not an expert, but the idea is that some things are private, and so they can't list James. I believe that the report is a file that is filled in as time goes on, and as more events occur. It's almost like a medical record. They just keep adding information regarding the initial complaint.

cosmicmind

I thought that's what this convo was doing....finding answers and hypothesis/theories, questions with the purpose of deriving those answers.

mrjdouble

Believe it, there are a lot of pedos/pedo sympathizers and people are idiots.

Investigate1999

Well, we're all struggling to make sense of this. I personally am willing to trust this guy, but I think that we would all be wise to question him more.

Investigate1999

He hasn't done much research. Most/All of what you see is somebody else's research.

memegod420

Also, people should stop using "business card"

That is a case card. Very different.

Yuke

It's not about ego, if it was I'd make a video myself. I don't want spotlight at all, the internet has always given credit to original posters of information to acknowledge the effort they put into it; the info I found and put together took hours, and I'm sure spoor put hours in too etc. It's basic manners more than anything.

Investigate1999

That's a good attitude.

Yuke

I would just like to point out one thing about the claims of things being fake. The information gained on Pegasus in the last few days is legit, it was me that found the link, me that posted the thread here on voat that the video was about. Unfortunately for isthisgameofthrones, his desire to get the attention for himself backfired and he landed himself in the shit instead. Note that he didn't give credit for the findings to anyone and in the video about the messenger texts he actually even says that he found it. I think they call this 'karma'.

Celticgirlonamission

To me he seemed pretty legit in his video of what happened...also showed the txt and talked about the phone call

Fateswebb

I remember that you did post the information first, I think he made a video is all. Not that I have a problem with that, but he should bring at least referencing his sources.

francine_rose

Now imagine if he threw you under the bus and said nope this guy is the one who directed me to it.... he's the one who discovered it

Everybody would be angry he's a nark Take your ego somewhere else

cosmicmind

@ Yuke, I missed that connection.

He did say, or text, that others were writing about it on voat, so I didn't think he was claiming it as his own work, because he wasn't. He was building on it to mirror it, which is what we want, lots of mirrors of all kinds to keep this education alive and growing.

I didn't think it was important that he specifically described the people who already put up information, because a lot of people take bits and add to it - and I think that's a good thing. I think it's too involved to keep track of the person who thought of the original detail.

A lot of people are using basic information info and expanding on it, without know giving actual props to the originators in 4chan or FBIanon, so I don't really think on the overall that's a problem, but because it's a very specific detail maybe he could add it in his comment notes, or go back and edit it into his vid to give specify props or checked with you first before he expanded or mirrored it.

I think we should really try to stay away from ego wars or jealousy, and just hope as many people mirror info on media. We really don't know if the Pegasus stuff is legit, but it seems like IsThisGameOfThrones took that and used it as what potentially could be a positive springboard for the entire PG awareness community to move forward into an investigation.

That's what we're really asking for right? That's why we're here.

I think he needs support, not jealousy, because really now issue isn't so much about the Pegasus vid, but it's about the threats that show JA is capable of threatening a child and that combined with his text that he doesn't like kids at all, but he seems to like them enough to make questionable comments about them could be enough for a legal investigation pushed by a lawyer.

I think we need to support IsThisGameOfThrones to get a lawyer on this, cause the police are problematic.

IsThisGameOfThrones, if you're reading this, maybe put a more specific shout-out on your vid comment.

hanknut42

so that lends even more credient to the fact that it could be faked? people bleieve Isthisgameofthrones did all the legwork him self! i shall spread the world also this guy looks just like him withshaved beard https://youtu.be/gKTiUaloDDA?t=5m22s

Investigate1999

Yeah, I participated in that thread. I think that I complimented you on your work.

When I watched his video, I skimmed through, and didn't pay attention to him citing or not citing. This would explain why people still think that he does such great work. Those red circles on the walls prove to me that he didn't discover this, and yet people are following him.

Thank you so much for chiming in! I feel so vindicated. I hope that you do, too.

DefenderOfTruth

Okay, this is all so strange, but I'm starting to think Pizzagate Gear may be telling the truth... I just can't imagine we'll get Alefantis on a threat crime of all the other things he's likely done. But, got to start somewhere.

contrary_mma_hipster

He is a flamboyant narcissistic psychopath who can't help himself. I wouldn't have imagined he would have put pedo references all over his IG either, but he did.

memegod420

An animal backed into the corner is always the most dangerous. He's being left hang to dry by the people he does bu siness with. He has no resources. His only ability to stop it is to flex and hope for the best.

Investigate1999

I often wondered if he is a government agent.

dookiehowzer

this is a good move for the people

Investigate1999

I doubt it. I think that this is report is just laying the ground work for further collection of data.

hanknut42

https://youtu.be/EZQxYQ49p0U face of someone who just had his whole family threatened?

Investigate1999

Nope.

hanknut42

http://archive.is/zeXL7#selection-1369.4-1377.15 this guy is the guy in the front Pic of the Killroom video he has deep connections with TEXAS the state in which the report was filed

Fateswebb

Dude the distance between Dallas and Galveston is similar distance from say New York to Georgia.certainly you're not suggesting they're close? I mean heck I live about 5 miles from Dallas county maybe I know the dude. Hey wait he does look familiar lol... ;) ;)

BeezleyBillyBub

Was the original Pizza Gear Pegasus report too damning to be part of an elaborate hoax? I don't know. Do you? YouTube's really Graceful cautions about how any involvement by Pizza Gear in a hoax would do serious damage here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg-EhwK0FX8 Please opine.

Investigate1999

Was the original Pizza Gear Pegasus report too damning to be part of an elaborate hoax?

I don't know. I just know that most/all information that he shared was discovered and reported by somebody else. Pizzagate Gear was just regurgitating/reposting.

LawofTruth

Do you have the link to lookup the case record via Galveston's site. Tried but no luck.

Also, where did both of these documents come from. Did IsThisGameofThrones submit himself.. just trying to find where they originated.

Investigate1999

Do you have the link to lookup the case record via Galveston's site. Tried but no luck.

Yes. The second link is the link that you want. Let me know if you can get what you want.

Investigate1999

The business card came from another user. He shared it with me, and claims that Pizzagate Gear shared it with the community.

The report is something that I found, because the Galveston police department said to look it up online. I went to their site, and clicked links until I came to the appropriate site. I then searched for the case number. The police department confirmed over the phone to me, that all of the information on the card exists. So, we know that it wasn't created by random numbers and just photoedited in.

The third image was provided by redditsucks [or whatever his name is]. I don't know how reliable it is.

redditsuckz

Its from IsThisGameOfThrones;

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1541627/7503511

Investigate1999

I don't have any other information. I don't know who Galveston is and I'm too lazy to check.

I was just posting new information, because I am the former mod, who was being hard on him. I called the police department. I'm from Canada.

Fateswebb

Galveston is a city in Texas at the very south on the Gulf of Mexico.

ThePuppetShow

Galveston is the City the report was filed in, not a person. There's no names listed for other parties.

Investigate1999

Ah, yes, of course. The police that I called is in Galveston. I can't believe that I forgot that. Thanks!

MolochHunter

these are not the investigations you're looking for...

Investigate1999

Cool.

I'm encouraged that the community is making progress.

nitro169

Wow, it sure seemed to clean up the shills...

zzvoat

Nitro, I resent that. I'm sure I fall into your category of shills because I think that whoever that guy is who thought it would be a good thing to contact Alefantis caused a lot of trouble for this community. His immaturity is something we will all be paying for for a long time - the law of unintended consequences.

Half the people who left are probably pissed and disgusted with the immaturity here and calling everyone who disagrees with you a shill proves the point.

nitro169

I was actually commenting on the overall decrease in shills since the confirmed JA visit.

Investigate1999

I don't think that they are shills. I think that people are genuinely concerned for the well being of the community. A lot of people have made good cases to support their arguments.

hanknut42

why use your real facebook acc and such if your connacting someone who we assume has no respect for human life? We don't connact we don't harass we research put togethr the dots we are non volience here and not harassing nobody that smart woudl use their own facebook to connact JA and if you are that stupid well get off the internet its not the place for you

Investigate1999

Your questions are great for normal people, but we're talking about James and friends, who are very powerful, and they can play mental games with us. This could all be a hoax, so it wouldn't really be his own Facebook account. I don't understand why you can't see that.

Nobody's accusing him of being a CIA agent, but why is it out of the question for you? The CIA lied to the Iranians, so that the public would overthrow a democratically elected government, who cared about the well being of the locals. At least try to understand that.

Nana66

I think if this is actually real then Alefantis probably has CIA or someone dealing with his accounts messages.

cosmicmind

The text said FBI. It would also make sense as to who's covering up for him. We know they're covering up for some top-dog shit (podesta leaks, Clinton, Obama etc, etc) so although JA is a small dog, he's obviously being covered up and protected; which also explain the media cover-up to replace an actual non-partisan investigation. If he wasn't part of it they wouldn't be doing the investigation run-around, as shown on this link describing Brian's application for information on the investigation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDn9_w7lSAI

This could be legit.

but if this dude is a Trojan horse....
I wait to see documentation and videographing of his interview with a lawyer, because I'd be getting legal advise if somebody threatened my child. If he doesn't get lawyers advise, and his story is legit, then he has no law in his corner and he's a sitting duck who's unprotected.

If he gets a lawyer in his corner and periscopes himself 24/7 sharing data, then I'll really know he's legit, and he'll need some major support.

In spite of the fact that I think he's a loose cannon with no forethought or plan, I'd support him when I know he has a lawyer and vids the legal info.... which he should do to protect himself.

hanknut42

this guy is a career criminal who prob just anally purged all of any evidence of any of this happening and hes going to risk getting cuaght by punking on some random pizzagate dude? it just doesn't sound right/ IF i have millions of dollars im not going to waste a breath on some little punk from TX. James is smarter then that. the guys been doing this for a while now and if its real then The JA has some big balls or alot of powerful people in this pocket

cosmicmind

I don't think JAmes is smarter than that.
I think he's really cocky, sloppy and stupid, which is why his cocky untouchable arrogance has left a big trail.

hanknut42

nah he just never in a million years would expect that podestas emails would be leaked and expose him. hindsight is 20/20 im bet he is kicking him self now thou Also alot of his pictures it looks like hes in love with the CoCo

cosmicmind

I don't mean to split hairs over semantics, but isn't that the same thing I'm saying?

Not expecting leaked podesta stratfor emails = invincible = untouchable = cocky spirit cooking and referencing cannibal shit, pics all over the place set to public view, secret group activity with the sloppy use of code words and descriptions of the codes. Obama's interview with chef Bourdain, discussing the age of children using hotdog mustard as code = more cocky arrogance = really, really stupid = opposite of smart. This is the mind of sociopathy psychopathy. Eventually they slip up, their habits and stupidity overcome their smarts.

I don't think they thought the public would catch hold of it, because this far the public has put their head down and ignored everything since before the Franklin Scandal - project flicker, etc. = stupid, invincible, egomaniacal untouchable sociopathy behavior.

(but you're welcome to your own opinion of course.)
:)

Investigate1999

I agree. I don't understand what these strangers hope to accomplish by announcing that we are watching them. It's the exact opposite thing to do. It's like saying, "Hi. We're trying to figure out if you're evil. We're going to look into your emails in 10 minutes. Don't delete anything incriminating. I'll be right back.".

SpikyAube

But you're forgetting the personality type of this guy. Sociopath/Narcissist. This is exactly the kind of thing they do, they can't resist. They are smart and calculating, but also have a huge ego and need for control and power, and they also take huge stupid risks, even if it could backfire on them - they often are neurologically incapable of really believing they could go wrong or make a mistake. It's difficult to understand one of these types until you've actually known one. They are just the worst kinds of people in the world, even the ones who aren't involved in crimes and murder etc.

The conversation he showed between JA and himself - the way JA wrote and threatened and then did a bit of buddy buddy and bragged and generally manipulated the guy, it's all textbook for that kind of individual. And yeah the guy obviously does have a lot of powerful people in his pocket and probably feels pretty untouchable.

SayWhatNOWAY

Look at how Scott Peterson acted!

HashTagFU

It's difficult to understand one of these types until you've actually known one.

Amen brother. I think humanity needs a psychopath test that can't be beaten. Some kind of fMRI technology that accurately identifies these sick fucks walking amongst us.

When they are found they should be carefully monitored like a parole agent monitors a criminal. Also they should be banned from positions of power. They are genetic freaks.

Investigate1999

I think humanity needs a psychopath test that can't be beaten. Some kind of fMRI technology that accurately identifies these sick fucks walking amongst us.

There is a test. I think that there was an article on reddit a couple of years ago, where a scientist put himself and his family into a big study. They were all just regular test subjects for extra data. He found out that somebody in his family was a sociopath/psychopath. He knew that he shouldn't have removed the label to find out who it was, but he did it anyways. He was shocked to find out that it was him. He reflected on it, and it all made sense. He mentioned that he had always had this cold competitiveness in boardgaming and other social interactions. He then went on to try to be nicer.

HashTagFU

Yeah I read that. There is a test but you can't get people to take it unless they want to. He was a functioning psychopath that had channeled his talents into a respectable profession - neuro scientist as I recall. Everyone that knew him who later found out were not at all surprised because evidently he just came off as an asshole.

I have a member (or two) of my family that are similar. Giant assholes, no clue about empathy, sympathy, understanding, etc, etc, who just go through life shitting all over everyone that gets in their way. They genuinely don't have a clue. I've come to loathe them so much so that I'll likely not even attend their funerals if they die before me. Conversely they'll not know if I'm in the hospital dying because I never want to see them again. I hate psychopaths. They should all be exterminated - the world would be a much better place.

Investigate1999

The scariest part is that you've described my dad and brother. My dad thinks that I'm crazy, and my brother thinks that I have Asperger's syndrome. I might have it, but I'm just shocked at how much they try to get away with things, without any concern for others. I have debated with myself about whether or not I should attend their funerals.

So, you really think that anybody diagnosed with psychopath should be literally exterminated? In a way, it makes sense, because they break laws. I think that it's impossible for sociopaths and psychopaths to be good citizens.

It certainly explains that fat people hate subreddit.

HashTagFU

Yeah my brother and to a lesser extent sister and mother.

I can be pretty cutting to stupid people. SJW's and generally anyone who comes off as a clueless, unemphatic virtue signaling shitstain but I have to say I can't get in to the whole fat people hate thing. I don't hate anyone for what God (I use God as a place holder for whatever) made them. I suppose I should be as forgiving of psychopaths as they likely were also genetically programmed to be what they are but I'm just not able to. They are reptiles in human form.

When I say they should be exterminated I mean nature should have killed off those genetic traits somewhere along the way. The arc of humanity is teetering on a knife's edge because we went from hunter gatherers to an industrialized society in the blink of an evolutionary eye. Psychopaths had their place but IMO have become a huge liability from a human evolutionary standpoint.

Relentless pursuit of profit, control and resources is the lifeblood of the psychopath. They even mirrored their mental state into an external structure called the corporation.

Cut your ties dude. They won't change and engaging them in any way is a losing proposition. The only winning move is not to play...

Investigate1999

When I say they should be exterminated I mean nature should have killed off those genetic traits somewhere along the way. The arc of humanity is teetering on a knife's edge because we went from hunter gatherers to an industrialized society in the blink of an evolutionary eye. Psychopaths had their place but IMO have become a huge liability from a human evolutionary standpoint.

The way that you described them reminds me of cancer cells. Our bodies should try to get rid of them. Whatever these cells have to offer can be obtained elsewhere.

By the way, thanks for your advice.

HashTagFU

NP. It took me a long time to figure out what the fuck happened to me. I have been gaslighted since I can remember and it really fucked with my head. If you want to understand the psychopath I recommend the book by Robert Hare called Without Conscience. He wrote the book (or list as it were) on how to detect psychopathy. Really interesting stuff. Because of the way I was raised, I can ferret out a psychopath or narcissist almost instantly upon meeting them.

The other thing to remember is the anti social personality disorder is a scale. Psychopaths are not all Ted Bundy. Narcissism is the lower end of the psychopathic scale so just because someone sometimes appears to show humility, empathy, sympathy or generally seems to be caring about someone other than themselves, it's usually just an act.

Sorry you have that in your family. It's a tough thing to deal with. Just know if they truly are in the narcissistic/sociopathic/psychopathic range, they won't change. That was the hardest lesson I ever learned. I went from really caring about certain people to watching the relationships slowly wither on the vine, knowing that I was the only one that truly loved or gave a fuck. People like this are not worth your time. I don't mean that to sound like you're better than them or you should be mean to them. I just mean they will never affirm you and will always use you for their own ends - that is what I mean by not worth your time.

Investigate1999

just because someone sometimes appears to show humility, empathy, sympathy or generally seems to be caring about someone other than themselves, it's usually just an act.

That's frightening to think about. Fortunately, we don't have to let it hurt us.

Sorry you have that in your family. It's a tough thing to deal with. Just know if they truly are in the narcissistic/sociopathic/psychopathic range, they won't change.

Just for the record, I'm not fully convinced that they have this, but it just seems strange, that after all these years, they seem to struggle with being altruistic. They always ask that question: "Why should I?". To have to explain to them why they should be more community minded or whatever, seems so tedious to me, and it seems so foreign to them.

As for the rest of your comments, I appreciate that.

Unfortunately, I am stuck with them for a while. If doors of new opportunities open, then maybe I can try going through.

SpikyAube

This is something i am actually hoping to be working on! A way of diagnosing the predisposition at birth and then following up with the child to ensure they are being given extra love and stuff - you may have the brain structure of a psychopath but if your early childhood experiences are positive and loving and you have decent parents that reinforce good behaviour, you will likely grow up to be just your garden variety asshole, but generally alright. Also, if possible, some kind of cure. At the moment there is no cure or even a possibility of one. But I know we can find one, there are many facets to empathy but essentially you need to ensure the person has enough mirror neurons and that their output elicits the relevant emotional response.

I've always wondered why there is not more research in this area, because if we could ensure every human being had empathy, and by that I mean affective empathy, not cognitive empathy, the world would be a much much better place. I'm sure sociopaths served their purpose when we were living in small tribes, but having these kinds of people in charge of the whole world's population of human beings is basically an explosive and horrific evolutionary dead end. Possibly even a planetary dead end.

Investigate1999

It all sounds more like a disability to me. If you are willing to portray it as such, then more power to you.

HashTagFU

Yeah, sad that a small portion of the population can cause so much damage. I hope you figure it out.

FriesischShipping

They are basically doing that to us. No blackmail? No job!

hanknut42

guys like this don't do their own dirty work if he was going to kil him hes not going to threat him on facebook first? thats just dumb and nobody is making that mistake

SpikyAube

He didn't threaten him on Facebook though. There was nothing he wrote in the messages that was a threat, he could explain it all away as something else, like, 'I just thought they made a cute couple in that pic and wanted to show him which pic I meant.' The threats to kill were made one the phone.

hanknut42

dude even doxxes him self in the video thats ametuer hour 101

MolochHunter

nice to see a mod moderating his mods ;)

Investigate1999

What do you mean? I'm not a mod any more.

redditsuckz

Look again...its filed under "terroristic threat"...top left...

The Texas “terroristic threat” law is found in Section 22.07 of the Texas Penal Code. Under this law, a terrorist threat is committed if a person “threatens to commit any offense involving violence to any person or property with intent to:

  • Cause a reaction of any type to this threat by an official or volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies;

  • Place any person in fear of imminent serious bodily injury;

  • Prevent or interrupt the occupation or use of a building, room, place of assembly, place to which the public has access, place of employment or occupation, aircraft, automobile, or other form of conveyance, or other public place;

  • Cause impairment or interruption of public communications, public transportation, public water, gas, or power supply or other public services;

  • Place the public or a substantial group of the public in fear of serious bodily injury; or

  • Influence the conduct or activities of a branch or agency of the federal government, the state, or a political subdivision of the state.

http://www.johntfloyd.com/understanding-terrorist-threat-allegations/

hang_em_high

Not that I dont think JA or the Clintons are terrorists, but according to this any sort of violent threat is a terrorist threat? It seems like under this law an abusive husband would be considered a terrorist?

Investigate1999

The report mentions terrorism, so it is consistent with Pizzagate's claims.

Ronnilynn31

Well they closed it quick enough, didn't they? I've never filed a report like that so I don't know if there's supposed to be any "investigation". Seems like if they had looked at it, then at minimum there would be notes to that effect.

pizzaequalspedo

This is pretty much how LE works, unless there is ongoing activity, they're not going to fly to DC to interview JA, or subpoena his phone records.

Investigate1999

They didn't close it. It's officially inactive. All they can do is wait for something to happen.

HashTagFU

Purportedly they have a text message conversation that can be subpoenaed. Not that they'll bother though. Chicago cops let a kid get tortured for a week because it was too much effort to check into it I guess.

fifibrindacier

Something like what ?

Investigate1999

Like if violence occurs, or if James attempts to make contact...anything.

fifibrindacier

How it will be the second before the first one.

Investigate1999

I don't understand your question. What do you mean by "it" and "the first one"?

fifibrindacier

Sorry I made a mistake : I hope (not how) it will be "james attempts to make contact" before "violence occurs". Second assertion before first one.

Investigate1999

Ah, yes. I agree. I hope so.

Honestly, I'd love for James to be cleared of all suspicion. I wish that we could invite him here to answer questions, but there is nothing that he could do to prove himself innocent, even if he had a scientific rock solid alibi, because some people refuse to listen.

fifibrindacier

What ??? He threatens a guy of death, and you'd love him to be cleared of all suspicion ? Why are you here if you think he's innocent ? Why did you go on investigating ?

Investigate1999

No, no, no.

I'm saying that maybe all of these accusations are wrong, and if so, then I'd love to see an innocent man stay that way. I'm here for justice and to protect kids. I'm not here for a witch hunt. That's all that I'm trying to say.

You don't know that James threatened anybody. You only took this guy at his word. He only cited himself as his own source.

Fateswebb

I mean when it comes down to it all we have is speculation. James is a creepy guy that's into creepy shit. We can prove that. But besides that, he could actually be innocent, and if that's the case then sure I with ya man, that means he isn't a murderer, and isn't the worse things one might speculate. Something tells me that's unlikely, and that James does have stuff to hide.... but it would be a best case scenario that he is just a creepy dude.. and it's nothing. Of course if that were the case instead of threatening Ryan he would offer a video tour of said "museum" since that's what museums are for. Something tells me though, that's no museum..

Investigate1999

Something tells me that's unlikely, and that James does have stuff to hide....

I agree. I don't know if you saw it yet, but I personally believe that he is some kind of event organizer, who deals with the logistics of the dark forces. From an economic perspective, he is probably an organizational leader, that purchases people for various forms of consumption. That's just theory, with nothing to back it up. It's my intuition. After all, he is seen as organizing things, and hosting events, right?

Something tells me though, that's no museum..

Yeah.

Now, if Ryan got closer, and anonymously recorded a visit without raising any suspicions, then yes, I'd trust Ryan a lot more. It would still be suspicious, but it would be enough to generate a new lead.

SpikyAube

Like he shows up deaded.

Kwijibo

What is the back ground on this?

zzvoat

The background is very simple. A guy here thought it would be a good idea to contact Alefontis directly. People seem to be focusing on why the guy contacted him and\or the result. For me, it's that he did it at all. His lack of judgment is breath taking.

FriesischShipping

First rule of Pedohunting, don't let the predator know that he is your prey.

mrjdouble

that's good, I'm writing this down.

HashTagFU

Yeah, if you're not going to do it anonymously then you're just plain old stupid.

AgainstTheNWO

I do not agree, he only contacted him. He did not go there with a gun. It also has made a part of the puzzle in awareness to all parties. Your reasons to do or lack of doing something has not be the reason for someone else. After receiving threats go full open public is best protection imo. (and if law permits gun of course)

SpikyAube

I get the impression this guy kind of forgot it's real. He called it a hobby or a game or something, I think he got caught up in it and forgot just how serious it all is.

Investigate1999

From what I heard, he called the police and filed a report. The official web site supports the claim. I heard that the business card was photographed by Pizzagate Gear.

redditsuckz

Original post from IsThisGameOfThrones;

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1541627/7503511

Kwijibo

A report on what? Someone threatened him?

Investigate1999

Yes, we think. He claims that James Alefantis threatened him, and this police report adds come credibility to his claim. I don't know what to believe, but I will trust him cautiously for now.

redditsuckz

Here is the business card and screenshot of the calls to the PD he posted for reference;

https://i.sli.mg/pg2lvB.png

https://i.sli.mg/Qha2NM.jpg

Investigate1999

It isn't automatically a choice between prank and truth. It could be a government lie. So, he wouldn't go to jail.

Remember that the CIA overthrew a democratically elected government [Iran], and then released the documents around the year 2000. If the government can tamper with the Iranian election, and the US election, then they have the resources and skills to tamper with this investigation.

Do they have the motive?

I'm not claiming that Pizzagate Gear is fake. I'm honestly starting to trust him now, but he needs to behave a bit better.

VieBleu

Let's play out your scenario - it's a government op and pizzagate gear is a woken sleeper cell.

If the government is willing to go to those lengths to enrapture a bunch of online yippies at a fairly obscure web forum for two days, our problems are even worse than we think.

Investigate1999

Yeah. Exactly.

I wouldn't defend the view, but I'm just baffled by the idea that somebody can gain so much trust. It seems odd, if he had discovered and released new information, but he didn't. All of his analysis has been the work of others [i.e.: pyjama factory; pegasus]; at least all of the work, that I've seen. The most credibility has been with the police reports, but even that can be useless. I could file a complaint, and then an official report would be started, but there would be no evidence that it had happened.

1 important thing that I don't understand is why he is so reluctant to promote his shirts in the memes forum. He already has his shirts in stock, and its free to promote his wares there.

Also, I just find his work to be so impulsive: "...and so I decided to call James.". What on earth?

I know that I'm not perfect, so I'll be careful to avoid accusing him, but I think that it's reasonable to approach Pizzagate Gear with caution.

I take it that he seems totally trust worthy to you?

VieBleu

Actually all the rough around the edges stuff gives him more credibility to me. I think we've witnessed a genuine hobbyist member of the public caught off guard by an alleged lifelong DC intimidation blackmailer who is alledgedly used to heavy tactics and people with a lot tougher skin overplayed his hand and also has obvious but alleged self-control, anger and probably drug and/or alcohol issues. There is not one moment that Alefantis has given us on tape or in interviews that feels authentic on his part so far, until now. The whole thing has too many little complexities (doesn't know what a mod is but knows what a shill is? no op would do that, it wouldn't be thought of in the first place and doesn't move the narrative). I think what we've witnessed is what goes down in phone calls and face to face in DC routinely, and we've just had a peek behind the curtain. So the guy made up some tshirts for pals, get a life who cares? Again, if the gov wanted to plant an op, they wouldn't plant a shred of compromising material with him - he would NOT have had a tshirt thing on the side. And it is so rinky-dink. Seems like his legit hobby and interest. The worst that could be said is that he probably did think if he could get some kind of intervew with JA, he probably would make a name for himself and sell a few tshirts, but did not expect this type of an explosion to go down. Really had no idea of what kind of id he was contacting. He was interested enough to message JA through Facebook, so he's a little more into it than the average bear. If it becomes an absolute certainty it happened, I'd go so far as to say he handled it well, drawing him out, getting him to talk more than less - then going public. Better than just hanging up and being afraid. I don't blame him for not wanting to post on the meme area - the community is prickly enough without asking for further hate and questioning. If Alefantis was innocent, he'd be suing the pizzagater so fast for defamation - a false police report and defamation within an explosively controversial subject like pizzagate is serious business.

My last thought - basically I blame Facebook, which I hate. If they weren't both on Facefail none of this would have happened like this. Being so connected with the whole world isn't all it's cracked up to be.

ghost_marauder

I'm in agreement with you. The funny thing to me is that if this is true the tactics used by JA are actually outlined in a research thesis JA's Cousin's husband wrote in the 80's http://ecommons.luc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3018&context=luc_diss . In essence the paper is about belief of viewers to victims, and their reactions. An interesting read, but I wonder if JA was taught (by accident or not) about the contents of this research.

Investigate1999

doesn't know what a mod is but knows what a shill is? no op would do that

That's an interesting point. Remember though, if Pizzagate Gear is on their side, then he probably has the resources to come up with little authentic things like that.

VieBleu

sorry, too much of a stretch for me.

samhara

Of course. They don't even need to tamper with it. There is no official investigation. Tampering would be to set - up the guy that did the good research? Or discredit him. How does this discredit him?

samhara

Why would the government have an interest in exposing the "kill room?" location et cetera?

cosmicmind

If anything can be linked back to the political group then they have an investment. Look for the wikileak that debates JA xoxo relationship with podesta; speculation of a super packed bromance. ..pac(ked) pun intended.

Many pics with him and tony podesta, who is the biggest lobbyer.

Not to mention CF donating his restaurant(s) $$.

Maybe more of a connection than Assange hackers can detail, but a nonpartisan investigation could risk bigger info coming out.

cosmicmind

I didn't think he was behaving badly... depending on how ya define badly.

I just don't think his actions were well thought out, and maybe a little emotionally driven. We can all be emotionally driven, so I really relate to him on that one, but I'm not putting out vids either.
If I were I'd make sure I had tactics in place and some type of pre-scripted format.

If I were selling t-shirts I'd just put a link in the comment section and leave it at that.

But, like you, I'm really starting to believe his story, and think he's well meaning, just needs better adviser directives before he acts is all.

It's hard to trust, I've been lied to many times in life, so it's very good that he's willing to come forward with more data and proof, because if it's legit it could be the hero event that forces an investigation - or the bad event that smears it to hell.

Investigate1999

You have a good perspective.

cosmicmind

lul, sometimes, but I'm also a little salty, I know... I know.
Please forgive any saltiness in advance.

FriesischShipping

Sadly government propaganda is legal now. Think critically. Evaluate evidence.

HashTagFU

Yeah but it has been going on since forever. Gulf of Tonkin being just one example.