doubletake

From 1992, (the Franklin Era") ... Satanism comes up a number of times. Nice to find the FBI did not shy away from it. Pizzagate and Spirit Cooking -- what a duo we have in front of us.

SayWhatNOWAY

These freaks have tried to influence every aspect of our government with satanism! Evil!

FriesischShipping

Say what?!? No way! J/K...read about "false memory syndrome", what a crock of shit that was -> proven to be false report paid for by the accused.

BoondockPirate

This is somewhat helpful but it was written in pre-Internet 1992. Not sure how relevant it still is.

gopluckyourself

yo atheist http://pdf2doc.com/
check it out!

atheist4thecause

Thank you.

gopluckyourself

also as an aside for future posts. I would suggest posting everything no matter what the actual content as a discussion so you can easily include new info or edit as needed to reflect new findings.

Dressage2

I was reading this and I came across a section discussing the failure to find bodies that children describe regarding certain acts of satanic abuse. The author stated that is because the means of disposing the bodies. One of the methods discussed was high-temperature portable ovens. Makes you wonder about pizza joints.

Truthplease5

ovens along with the chemical destruction/melting ...

ScientiaPotentia

Alefantis noted in one of his posts that he had 3 ovens. One was portable.

ALDO_NOVA

Clintons were involved in something to with portable ovens - they are small, but maybe involved with distributing a larger model as well

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/these-cheap-clean-stoves-were-supposed-to-save-millions-of-lives-what-happened/2015/10/29/c0b98f38-77fa-11e5-a958-d889faf561dc_story.html

Dressage2

What the hell?!? What have they not been in?

FindingTruth

I don't think pizza ovens get as hot as cremation ovens, do they? Can they? For sure there is a smoking gun out there regarding the disposals though as too many kids are disappeared for ever. Chemicals perhaps?

ghost_marauder

Wikipedia

The cremation occurs in a crematory that is housed within a crematorium and comprises one or more furnaces. A cremator is an industrial furnace that is able to generate temperatures of 870–980 °C (1,600–1,800 °F) to ensure disintegration of the corpse. A crematorium may be part of a chapel or a funeral home or may be an independent facility or a service offered by a cemetery.

http://www.tailgatepartysite.com/best-portable-pizza-ovens-review/

Can reach temps of 900 degrees F.

Falling short to the halfway mark. I'd assume bone is the hardest bit to cremate. So, let's look into the temp there.

(cool article but not helpful https://www.sott.net/article/185067-Body-burners-The-forensics-of-fire) )

http://absolutewrite.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-255891.html

People used to regularly burn bones in fireplaces. Adding bone ashes to the wood ashes helps when making soap. I don't think you need 1400 to 1800 degrees for regular burning. That's for crematoriums which have different regulations than your characters.

What kind of world is this taking place in? Modern? Medieval? Burning bodies makes a lot of smoke, takes time, and leaves a big scar on the ground. Not to mention cutting down someone's trees (and green wood adds to the smoke). If your world is urban fantasy, I'd be wondering why all the burning was going on. If pre-industrial, not so much.

Also, another idea in the article was thermite. The only problem I see is that you would have to use a lot of thermite (not hard to make) at one time. Massively freaking hot. I don't think a portable oven could handle that.

Peackng74

Teeth are the hardest to burn. I take forensic dentistry classes every year.

gopluckyourself

trying to figure out a workaround for this right now.

wecanhelp

Thank you for the proper resubmission.

atheist4thecause

We'll see if it randomly gets deleted in 4 days again.

wecanhelp

Ping me if it does. It should not be.

andrevandelft

I quote part of a chapter that starts at page 22, since this is IMO a useful consideration for all PizzaGate investigators:

Why Are Victims Alleging Things That Do Not Seem To Be True?

Some of what the victims in these cases allege is physically impossible (victim cut up and put back together, offender took the building apart and then rebuilt it); some is possible but improbable (human sacrifice, cannibalism, vampirism); some is possible and probable (child pornography, clever manipulation of victims); and some is corroborated (medical evidence of vaginal or anal trauma, offender confessions).

The most significant crimes being alleged that do not seem to be true are the human sacrifice and cannibalism by organized satanic cults. In none of the multidimensional child sex ring cases of which the author is aware have bodies of the murder victims been found -in spite of major excavations where the abuse victims claim the bodies were located. The alleged explanations for this include: the offenders moved the bodies after the children left, the bodies were burned in portable high-temperature ovens, the bodies were put in double-decker graves under legitimately buried bodies, a mortician member of the cult disposed of the bodies in a crematorium, the offenders ate the bodies, the offenders used corpses and aborted fetuses, or the power of Satan caused the bodies to disappear.

Not only are no bodies found, but also, more importantly, there is no physical evidence that a murder took place. Many of those not in law enforcement do not understand that, while it is possible to get rid of a body, it is even more difficult to get ride of the physical evidence that a murder took place, especially a human sacrifice involving sex, blood, and mutilation. Such activity would leave behind trace evidence that could be found using modern crime scene processing techniques in spite of extraordinary efforts to clean it up.

The victims of these human sacrifices and murders are alleged to be abducted missing children, runaway and thrownaway children, derelicts, and the babies of breeder women. It is interesting to note that many of those espousing these theories are using the long-since-discredited numbers and rhetoric of the missing children hysteria in the early 1980s. Yet, a January 1989 Juvenile Justice Bulletin , published by the Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention of the U.S. Department of Justice, entitled "Stranger-Abduction Homicides of Children" reports that researchers now estimate that the number of children kidnapped and murdered by nonfamily members is between 52 and 158 a year and that adolescents 14 to 17 years old account for nearly two thirds of these victims. These figures are also consistent with the 1990 NISMART study previously mentioned.

We live in a very violent society, and yet we have "only" about 23,000 murders a year. Those who accept these stories of mass human sacrifice would have us believe that the satanists and other occult practitioners'~re murdering more than twice as many people every year in this country as all the other murders combined.

In addition, in none of the cases of which the author is aware has any evidence of a well-organized satanic cult been found. Many of those who accept the stories of organized ritual abuse of children and human sacrifice will tell you that the best evidence they now have is the consistency of stories from all over America. It sounds like a powerful argument. It is interesting to note that, without having met each other, the hundreds of people who claim to have been abducted by aliens from outer space also tell stories and give descriptions of the aliens that are similar to each other. This is not to imply that allegations of child abuse are in the same category as allegations of abduction by aliens from outer space. It is intended only to illustrate that individuals who never met each other can sometimes describe similar events without necessarily having experienced them.

The large number of people telling the same story is, in fact, the biggest reason to doubt these stories. It is simply too difficult for that many people to commit so many horrendous crimes as part of an organized conspiracy. Two or three people murder a couple of children in a few communities as part of a ritual, and nobody finds out? Possible. Thousands of people do the same thing to tens of thousands of victims over many years? Not likely. Hundreds of communities all over America are run by mayors, police departments, and community leaders who are practicing satanists and who regularly murder and eat people? Notlikely. In addition, these community leaders and high-ranking officials also supposedly commit these complex crimes leaving no evidence, and at the same time function as leaders and managers while heavily involved in using illegal drugs. Probably the closest documented example of this type of alleged activity in American history is the Ku Klux Klan which ironically used Christianity, not satanism, to rationalize its activity but which, as might be expected, was eventully infiltrated by informants and betrayed by its members.

Orange_Circle

A quick glance through Namus and the Doe Network will show you there are plenty of bodies our there.

militant

The hell is this?

DarkMath

"none of the cases of which the author is aware has any evidence of a well-organized satanic cult"......This is where I stopped reading. There are MANY examples from the Franklin Scandal to the real story behind True Detectives.

Trigger warning: only watch this on an empty stomach: https://video.vice.com/en_us/video/the-real-39true-detective39/55cd146823652a5532d4fbbf

;-)

atheist4thecause

You should keep reading. It's got very good information. This is an FBI Special Agent. These are the elite agents that I believe can even introduce evidence to Congress on their own without the FBI Director's approval. And keep in mind that this was published in 1992 as a 2nd edition, so the Franklin Scandal was just kind of breaking around that time. This is literally explaining the genesis of the ritualistic cult allegations.

DarkMath

Good point. I didn't realize it was from 1992. I'll keep reading.

atheist4thecause

It's important to note, though, that #PizzaGate basically has an explanation for all of his concerns. Where are the children coming from? Outside of the country, where there are plenty of missing children cases. How could something like this be covered up? Because they are the most powerful elites. The DoJ and FBI work under the President, and we're talking about the President's friends. This guy offers reasonable skepticism of some claims, but that is useful for us explaining our hypothesis IMO. His counter-arguments to claims are actually quite weak to our hypotheses.

FriesischShipping

HAITIAN SPECIAL

doubletake

"How could something like this be covered up?" The Epstein NO PLEA AGREEMENT is probably as close as we are ever going to get to that question. As far as a legal precedent, though, I am afraid it is legally MinDBoGgLiNG>

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1521412

chickyrogue

the satanic aspect of this is as real as the abuse ...

atheist4thecause

It's a fucking PDF you idiot. "WARNING:" CLICKING THIS LINK WILL OPEN A PDF THAT OF THIS BOOK:

Child Sex Rings: A Behavioral Analysis For Criminal Justice Professionals Handling Cases of Child Sexual Exploitation April 1992 Second Edition Kenneth V. Lanning Supervisory Special Agent Behavioral Science Unit Federal Bureau of Investigation FBI Academy Quantico, Virginia

pizzagatewillnotdie

Upload it to scribd.com for free and then share the link. People can read it directly on the website.

trotfox

PDFs are a known tool to spread viruses, idiot.

atheist4thecause

So run a scan on it. Yeah, clearly it's a virus. Idiot. You don't know enough about technology to be paranoid. This is the book:

Child Sex Rings: A Behavioral Analysis For Criminal Justice Professionals Handling Cases of Child Sexual Exploitation

April 1992

Second Edition

Kenneth V. Lanning

Supervisory Special Agent

Behavioral Science Unit

Federal Bureau of Investigation

FBI Academy

Quantico, Virginia

What do you know, books are often in PDF format.

dontmindthemess

I can see both sides. I think if you just put "PDF" and file size at the end of the title and others would know it's a download link, I.e., "This is the blah, blah, blah. PDF 10k." Thanks. And, mnbvzxc, a lot of people were exposed by some assholes on the other site (it will remain untamed) when they started posting CP. Personally, I thought it was an inside job. Sorry for your loss though. I lost my $4k computer to an unshielded DSL line vs. Lightning bolt to our power pole out back. I saved the monitor, though. Oh, and, don't download any more CP.

JoJoVoat

What interesting about this book? Well, M.O. so far of those being investigated in pizzagate is one of an "in your face" attitude.. And that lies are truths and truths are lies... Read the book and whatever it says isnt happening, probably is and vice versa/// Could be an interesting place to find potential clues or something...
It was written or published in 1992. Isnt that the timeframe of the Franklin discovery? We know that was a big coverup amongst many levels of power

atheist4thecause

Yeah, around that time. I've seen the Franklin Scandal being around 1989-1994. This book references things pre-1989, but was published in 1992. Pretty interesting. Also keep in mind that this is the 2nd Edition. I'm not sure when the 1st Edition was published (if ever).

Vindicator

Mods are discussing how potentially risky direct-links should be handled for all posts. Meantime, leaving this up. With this caveat:

https://www.foxitsoftware.com/blog/the-how-and-why-of-the-phantompdf-snapshot-tool/

atheist4thecause

What are you talking about? I did.