doolord

Big if true.

I'm not just meming, this would make a great post on its own if you're willing.

PrivateJoker

can this get any fucking deeper? jfc

theseeker58

I have often wondered if Alefantis changed his last name from L'Enfant. Look at how easy it would be, remove the "A", capitalize the "L and E", remove the "is" then add '. Is James a desendant of the architect of DC who designed the city in the likeness of Paris? L'Enfant designed DC for George Washington and died broke after being fired for wanting total control over his design. Many years following his death his body was reburied in Arlington National cemetery. The idea of James Alefantis being known as powerful is baffling, he owns a couple of restaurants and is David Brock's ex. Somebody "made" this guy Alefantis for a purpose and scrubbed a lot of his past just like TPTB did with the current POTUS. My first post to VOAT stated the above info, but with less detail.

whorsquini

Riddles in Stone - The Secret Architecture of Washington D.C

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaKuWm7ryeM

LeChevalBlanc

Regarding him being a Mason of some kind :

https://scottishrite.org/about/media-publications/journal/article/the-masonic-career-of-major-pierre-charles-lenfant/

By the way died without a penny... American gratitude?

doubletake

for you consideration:

the squashed pentagram is actually derived inside an octagon.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/p_XAetUFSmU/hqdefault.jpg

Birdzeyeview

why would anyone take this literally? people make jokes.

doolord

That's a really shitty joke. Who the fuck even thinks about shit like that?

Birdzeyeview

Walter Burleigh-Griffin and his wife designed Canberra, Australia according to sacred geometry/ occult design principles, also. Doesn't make Canberra a sinister town however, most of the residents would not even know this fact. IMO - oh, and it's built on a ley line also!

stellarcorpse

damn, i think that really is you.

militant

Pierre also means stone in French. Stoned is slang for drugged. Children (enfants) are drugged by pedophiles. Pretty sick.

See how easy it is to create imaginary stuff?

militant

UPDATE: listenandsee has pointed out that Christopher Lynch, co-owner pictured wearing the J'(heart/love/aime) L'Enfant, may be a descendant of Pierre L'Enfant and portraits of L'Enfant on the bar's website indicate this may be the case and that L'Enfant may be at least one of the cafe's namesakes.

Gotta love this. You asked for a source and he provided none, yet you still add that in your post?

What's your own source for L'Enfant being a Mason, by the way?

psmith85

wikipedia; yeah I should have said purported to be; also said 'may be' not is; get over it

militant

You should have said nothing... 'may be' based on a random comment, way to ruin your own thread in my eyes.

psmith85

I changed it, and you may be wrong about him being a relative, time will tell; it was a relatively minor side note and not part of the original thread, and takes very little away from it; as I said, get over it

militant

But I didn't claim he is or isn't a relative... I'm merely pointing out that this update is as non-factual as it gets.

Regarding L'Enfant being a Mason, it's very far from clear: https://web.archive.org/web/20120117011251/http://scottishrite.org/journal/march-april-2011/lenfant-masonic-career/ (Wikipedia's source) http://www.masonicinfo.com/famousnon.htm

psmith85

All you've added on this subject so far is one mediocre post; you don't appear to have contributed anything significant at all in terms of submissions or comments. Sometimes when an idea is thrown out there, BS/uncertain/wrong info gets mixed in and it takes a while to sort it out and distill the useful info. That's the point of collaborative research; it doesn't have to be perfect initially or in the first 5 minutes. I never latched onto the descendant thing, I qualified it with a 'may be' so that others could still see it and do their own research on it. Instead of trolling the posts of others how about you actually add something to the discussion. Otherwise please buzz off.

militant

Implying I'm a shill, and now claiming I'm useless, whereas I'm precisely helping in order to 'sort it out and distill the useful info'. Apparently you dislike it, though. Doesn't make much sense.

psmith85

You didn't point out anything. I asked him for a source and put 'may be' from the beginning, indicating I never accepted it as fact. I included it in the description and described as not just hearsay but secondhand hearsay. Then you mischaracterize what I said as accepting it as fact and go on a rant about Masonic ranking when it's not really disputed that he was a Mason or at least close Mason-associate. There's a difference between constructive criticism and being a crabby, negative dickhead who just trolls posts and harps on minor, relatively insignificant (potential) faults and claims they 'ruin the whole post,' rather than doing something productive like actually investigating to see if there's anything to the claim (which I did do briefly, and there doesn't appear to be as far as I can tell)

militant

I pointed out that your update was as non-factual as it gets, are you blind? You're mischaracterizing what I said when you claim that I mischaracterized what you said - I haven't. You lack any sense of logic and you're apparently fine with being counterproductive because you're only moderately counterproductive. As if it is a great achievement. Not to mention the accusations and the insults. The typical attitude of shills who accuse other people of being shills when they don't buy their BS. You keep replying, though, it's funny. A stubborn one.

Yesterday L'Enfant was a high level Freemason, today he is a Freemason, maybe tomorrow he will be a probable Freemason, and so on, who knows?

Keep up the good work.

psmith85

L'Enfant was for all intents and purposes a Freemason and everyone here would agree. He was part of a cadre of highest-level Masons, his own supposedly entry-level ranking notwithstanding. We have Satanic and Masonic symbology, a systemic pedophilia problem in a certain city, the designer of that city and Alefantis and company having ties to Satanism or the occult, a member of this contemporary pedophile ring naming his restaurant after that designer, and the designer and Alefantis having similar strange and possibly fake (moreso for Alefantis) names that are potentially related to pedophilia. I think this at the very least is worth pointing out and the votes agree. You deserve to be insulted. You are useless to the movement. You've produced nothing since this began, as evidenced by your contribution history. Look at my threads and you'll see several have been helpful. 1-2 were relative duds and dead ends. That's the way it goes. You are a negative element and a drag on getting anywhere. Go away; go to the Snopes forum or go kiss Michael Shermer and James Randi's shill asses in a 'skeptic's' forum.

militant

I deserve to be insulted because I don't buy your Moloch-high-level-Mason-may-be-a-relative-of-L-Enfant crap? You are truly hilarious.

YOU are detrimental to the movement with your pointless 'occultish' disinfo, anyone with a brain can realize this. By the way, a protip: an honest researcher wouldn't react like you did.

psmith85

You're harping on an insignificant point (that has been corrected) and downvoting posts on it, and ignoring all the rest; I think we've all seen that tactic before. He was a close associate of Washington, he inserted multiple Masonic symbols in his design of the city (let's call it Eastern Star and not Sigil of Baphomet). And from your source: 'However, the historical record is clear: Major L’Enfant was a brother, even if he appears not to have advanced beyond Entered Apprentice..'

militant

I was about to comment about Moloch too, but others did it before me. Why would I care about facts and truth if I was a shill? On the contrary, I would do the exact opposite of what I'm doing, I'd post 'occult' crap taken from random disinfo blogs and I would say 'hey guys, look at this, this is really impressive'.

I downvote misleading comments, yes, you are right.

What you're refering to as 'my source' is actually a quote of 'your source', Wikipedia's source. I'm not even sure they're talking about the same L'Enfant, but it's quite possible though. As i said, it's very far from clear.

If L'Enfant was NOT a Master Mason then, under the rules which then applied, his entry and attendance at ONE MEETING ONLY would not have qualified him to be considered a "member". No dues, no benefits including right of burial as a Mason, etc. would have applied in his case. He would not have been entitled to visit other lodges NOR would he have been permitted to call himself a Mason. Simply using the CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence claimed, we feel it's somewhat foolish to assert that L'Enfant was a Mason and, more especially, to claim that Freemasonry somehow influenced him if he, in fact, never continued beyond the supposed single meeting he attended - and there's not even circumstantial evidence to date to show he did.

psmith85

The point is he was attending Mason meetings, he was called a member of the brotherhood in an article on the Scottish Rite website titled The Masonic Career of Pierre L'Enfant, he was associated with several extremely high-level Masons and appointed to design the city by one, he was a relative nobody who suddenly was appointed to design the nation's capital and inserted multiple Masonic (and possibly also Satanic in one case) symbols in the design. It really doesn't matter what ranking he was. He was involved with them closely enough to insert inverted pentagrams at the heart of the city. If he was not a Mason he was acting at the behest of Masons or related occult/gnostic groups. I believe it's certainly a relevant fact to this scandal considering that many of the recent and not so recent sinister activities of our government have been continuously 'tagged' with apparently Masonic symbols. Beyond that I can't say much on the subject of Freemasonry. I didn't harp on the idea and added single sentence 'he was a Mason,' which is relevant, just like the fact that designer of Statue of Liberty and US currency were Masons, and a huge number of presidents were. But you are acting like a disinfo agent by discounting all this and implying there's nothing to see here, quibbling over details of internal ranking and protocol. If you're not one stop acting like it.

listenandsee

This is a nice summation and I have to say I agree.

militant

you are acting like a disinfo agent

Hahaha, as if I'm the one spreading bullshit. Only a shill would call me a shill.

party1981

My brain is not ready to handle this level of ancient conspiracy. God help us.

DarkMath

" shaped like Moloch".......Not Moloch, it's shaped like an owl, as in Minerva. Moloch does not equal Owl.

https://www.metabunk.org/metamirror_cache/img20.imageshack.us_img20_8000_owl1e.jpg

psmith85

OK thanks. There is tons of (dis?mis?)information out there that has referred to that and the effigy at Bohemian Grove as being Moloch. But it appears you are right, that it is not Moloch but the Owl of Wisdom/Athena/Minerva. Is there any connection at all between owl and Moloch you know of that might have led to this misconception?

Freemasonsrus

There's also references to Minerva in the emails. I'll have to go back and pull it up.

psmith85

Yes it was from Jake Sullivan to Hillary Clinton and it was released by Wikileaks but part of it was redacted. It is linked in the initial post. Was revealed today that Sullivan had been pre-selected by Hillary as National Security Advisor and Podesta as Sec of State.

Freemasonsrus

Busy day. Haven't had time to even check wikileaks for that post, but I do remember that FBIanon said something along the lines of "the owl of Minerva is an important sign to each other".

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES

No. Here is the entire story:

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1491256

psmith85

This doesn't appear to relate at all to L'Enfant/the cafe, etc. Your link seems to be a broader overview of ancient/occult religions and their relation to this scandal. But thanks, I will look into it shortly; but that isn't what my post is primarily about. I was trying to keep a narrower focus here.

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES

You will understand how it relates. Just read, watch, and listen. Draw your own conclusions. I have spent my life finding gems of logic in piles of bullshit. Let me help you out.

My post eclipses the street map of DC, including the Cafe and L'enfant.

psmith85

I'm not discounting your post at all and will look into it. saying it 'eclipses' it when you did not even make note of it at all seems kind of arrogant/immature. your response seemed somewhat dismissive of my post but I may have misread it and you were just answering my question

Wolftrail7272

Good read. I appreciate the explanation about how a broken pentagram is supposedly more "powerful" as well, since I've seen that style pentagram pop up multiple times.

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1491256

has nothing to do with the devil

redditsuckz

L'Enfant Plan = The Child Plan

When DC is designed with pentagrams and owl shapes who the Elites sacrifice people to and worship Moloch who is associated with child sacrifice then its not hard to believe DC has been one giant sacrificial burial ground for over 300 years.

Owl in DC;

https://i.sli.mg/qdVSqQ.jpg

Bohemian Grove Sacrifice to Owl/Moloch(?)

https://i.sli.mg/5lYPn6.jpg

I think the "owl" design actually might be a Falcon representing the Egyptian god Horus.

Eye and Egyptian pyramid in USA money could be Ra or Horus;

https://i.sli.mg/dRwrSB.jpg

Egyptian god Amun Ra is a goat head = satan/lucifer

Washington DC government Elites talking about Moloch sacrifice;

https://i.sli.mg/u7btje.jpg

EDIT;

Hathor = Linked to Cow in Egypt

http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/hathor.html

Bull Worship...Osiris?

Osiris = Linked to the Bull in Egypt

http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/bullcult.html

John Podesta - Osiris + 14 fish;

https://i.sli.mg/VVsmS0.pngPNG

Gods of Ancient Egypt;

http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/thegods.html

srayzie

Who is the one that originally wrote about Moloch in the email and how is he or she related to Hillary?

redditsuckz

Lewis Abselem who worked for Hilary Clinton while she was Secretary of State;

http://archive.is/R2TzG

https://i.sli.mg/u7btje.jpg

srayzie

Thank you. That's just awful

psmith85

I don't think it's a falcon. Maybe, but it looks much more like an owl with the very large eyes and squat/compact form. There is undeniably an owl connection, as we see on $1 bill, Sandy Hook Anderson Cooper drawing, Bohemian Grove, etc. But there also is definitely an Eye of Horus/falcon connection. Just not sure that applies with respect to Capitol building gardens.

GermanynamreG

Moloch is not an Owl. Thats a myth Alex Jones set. The owl is an occult symbol of wisdom and Moloch is a bull idol the jews werent allowed to revere back then so its a big idol in the left hand path.

redditsuckz

Osirus = Linked to the Bull in Egypt

http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/bullcult.html

John Podesta - Osiris + 14 fish;

https://i.sli.mg/VVsmS0.png

I-am-not-James

Theosophy scholars have mixed opinions as to whether Moloch is an act or another name for Ba'al bull. Moloch usually refers to the act of passing the children through the fire.

Who knows.

GermanynamreG

As far as I know, Moloch was a pre-jewish palestinean idol mentioned in the Thora whom people sacrificed children. The Baal cult is obviously related, like the greek and rome gods relations maybe

GermanynamreG

And egyptian Seth could be the same guy

psmith85

Ok thanks, it looks like you are right about Minerva being the owl. Corrected it in original post. Since I have read there is mock human sacrifice at Bohemian Grove, I assumed this would be human sacrifices made to Moloch, so wasn't just taking Jones word. But you are right about that.

GermanynamreG

Interesting is, Moloch has also reptile references. When speaking of reptile people, they are not actual reptiles, they are Psychopaths. To some people its desirable to become psychopaths, because it has some benefits. Plus its heritable, so they feel special.

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES

yeah.. um here is everything you will ever need:

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1491256

It's Masonic in origin.

bikergang_accountant

It's interesting that chicken might not be random.

listenandsee

Yes. L'Enfant Cafe is in that vicinity and hosts La Boum Boum Room which is a private, closed-door affair for drinking and sexual activity, no cell phones allowed. The owner is a great grandson or some such of the Pierre you're referencing - he shows up in a photo on Alefantis' instagram wearing a shirt that says J'<3 L'Enfant. https://i.sli.mg/Wxoax7.jpg

There is also a L'Enfant Trust that I ran across which focuses on preserving historical properties in the DC area. http://www.lenfant.org/

fifibrindacier

In France, a party for young people (from 8 to 14 around) is called a "boum".

psmith85

Good info, thanks. The guy with the J'(heart/love/aime) L'Enfant shirt is Christopher Lynch, the co-owner of the bar. There is a portrait of Pierre L'Enfant in the bar, so there's clearly a connection, but do you have a source that says he is a blood relative? Just curious. Here is a picture of Lynch with Izette Folger, a friend of Alefantis and member of Transformer DC. She liked the vast majority of Alefantis's and Jeff Smith's aka werkingonmahnightcheese social media images, including some of the worst ones: http://www.georgetowner.com/articles/2014/oct/08/chefs-and-party-marriage-equality/

listenandsee

Woops, you're absolutely right. I guess it's just an homage to the historic L'Enfant. Thanks for the correction! =)

Wow, and the two owners were a gay couple when they started the restaurant (then broke up). That's interesting.

psmith85

I thank you for pointing it out, but I don't think it's 'just' an homage. Owner Lynch is closely associated with Alefantis and Izette Folger (major instagram buddy of Alefantis). Then you have the I Love Children/Infants t-shirt, Boum Boum room no cell phones permitted (as you pointed out), etc. I don't think it's just a tribute to L'Enfant, unless it happens that he was also a pedophile predator

listenandsee

Yeah, good call. For some reason I thought he was related so the name fit in that context, but this sounds more devious. Plus it's in Dupont circle, and L'Enfant is said to have known the DuPont's. Just a lot going on.

G_Gordon_Linguini

Why wasn't it completed?

kaptklok

In "Faust" by Goethe, Faust draws a Pentagram on the Floor, to keep the devil away. But still the devil enters the room. Faust asks him how he could enter despite the Pentagram, and the devil tells him that he missed a bit in one of the corners.

So a bit missing from the Pentagram will give the devil a way in.

psmith85

Do you mean the pentagram or the street plan? I've read that a 'broken' or unfinished pentagram is a symbol in its own right that I believe is supposed to 'enhance' the power of the symbol. Haven't had a chance to look into that thoroughly though. It also may have been to not make it screamingly obvious and add some plausible deniability.