noreturn4me

Good for him. People really do need to be more careful with taking info and going public without proof. I'm glad he has done this.

nomorepepperoni

Sexist! It was HER turn! JK, I voted Bernie in the primary as well. :)

VieBleu

It's hard to be here no matter who you are a lot of times lol I had a big bad argument early on with 2 of the mods KevDude but mostly Crensch who is an out and out racist bigot if you look at his own submission history here at voat. I lobbied to get the pizzagate subverse a hate speech free subverse in order to protect the investigation, but they wouldn't have it because every corner of the internet has to be a bastion of free speech supposedly to the point of protecting vile hatred even when against the interests of the forum such as this one. Anyway they stripped all my points and I couldn't even comment for awhile - real free speech advocates right. I didn't care, just bided my time. For all the steps backward, there are good lurches forward so I stay. I have asked the new website person where they stand on being able to ban bigotry, homophobia, hate speech etc as well as vigilante justice and violence comments and threads. No answer back yet, so we'll see. That would give me a reason to jump.

Astrodreamer

So at least we know we can't take the White House visitor's log seriously.

SlackeryTurnBull

I always believe what youtube stars tell me. They're totally legit.

Don-Keyhote

Lmao you choose to cite a truly debaucherous gay.

Its the opposite of anecdotal to make a sociological observation. Gays have vastly more partners and consume more drugs. And have a disproportionate influence in media. Facts facts facts you ignoramus

VieBleu

keep it up, your voice is appreciated - most people here do not agree with the donkey ass's comments. Unfortunately, in the name of total free speech, voat allows bigotry and hate speech to remain up. One of the things I really don't like about voat.

Don-Keyhote

I'm dealing in facts you're again citing anecdotal evidence. You're out of your element SJW trash

VieBleu

you are not what this place is about - at ALL.

Don-Keyhote

Actually one clear conclusion from all this is that homo tendendy guys are much more likely to be pedos. This is intuitive, which is why you did not see it coming.

nomorepepperoni

Actually, the best conclusion is that some of the pedos are hiding behind gays and the LGBT banner and using them as a shield against scrutiny into their behaviors.

Don-Keyhote

Of course various degenerate causes will hide behind the lgbt protection forcefield -- who gave them that untouchable status? People like you guys. Sjw swine exist only for their own vanity

nomorepepperoni

SJWs can kiss my ass. As long as it's between consenting adults, I don't give a shit. When you start bringing in children, though, and use gays to protect your twisted ways...that's where I have a real problem, very quickly.

Don-Keyhote

Your standard still permits incest, polygamy, etc. Obviously there's a scale of sexual deviance on which pedos fall farther than gays. We set boundaries for our society. Go join a fucking hippie commune if you want to indulge in social experiments and shit on your forefathers' legacy.

nomorepepperoni

Wow, you drew all of that from me saying I don't care to get in others' business. Surprised you didn't bring up beastiality or marrying my pet giraffe.

You seem pretty anxious. Say, next time I visit my friendly neighborhood hippie commune, shall I bring you back a few brownies? :)

Don-Keyhote

Unserious answer from an unserious person. Are you perchance a female? Heres what your myopic hands off approach causes: https://www.rt.com/news/pedophile-syndicate-russian-boy-481/ Who knows how much more suffering he endured while people fretted whether they'd be smeared as homophobic (or racist in the Rotherham case).

nomorepepperoni

"At first Newton and Truong claimed they were being targeted because of being gay."

Thank you for confirming my original point. They are exploiting the gay community as a shield from scrutiny, knowing that the public and particularly pearl-clutching SJWs are trained to presume gays are targeted discriminately. In doing so, they encourage others to fret about such accusations instead of taking action. Same arguably happened with the Muslims in San Bernadino when people saw suspicious behavior from them.

My point is, fuck your feelings, fuck my feelings, and fuck SJWs conjuring up finger-pointing bullshit that predators can exploit. Being gay alone isn't a good reason to get uppity about someone, but if you are doing something suspicious, I don't care if you're gay, straight, or a pineapple--I'm calling you out.

VieBleu

there are so many straight pedos that your intuition is obviously missing - needs a tune up. It is so common there is a classic of literature about it, but you know about Lolita I'm sure. girls have been preyed upon by older men to the point we accept it as "normal" in many societies.

ArthurEdens

He said some weird stuff. Dude is in on it to a certain degree. He'll probably have to talk about it again. And again. And again.

Don-Keyhote

Gays are characterized by an irresponsibly promiscuous and debauched lifestyle. Hence the stigma. Get a fucking clue.

aleeum

He seems legit. Just an opinion. He also distanced himself from James Alefantis.

crazimal

IQ test: is anyone dumb enough to sit through that vague whiny selfie vid and believe it all? No detail no proof of anything no names no receipts no alibis.... If 30 min where did you eat dinner after? Drinks? Selfies? Where in DC did he stay? What about that documentary anyway?

This guy is supposedly a struggling actor (porn is not that lucrative these days) but doesn't even tout his (presumably non-porn) documentary or any other projects. I guess he was asked not to drop any names....

SoSpricyHotDog

Hey all, just chiming in, I think that digging this up was an interesting lead... but Chris addressed the issue directly and we need to respect that. Very few people thus far have addressed possible involvement/strange coincidences, in fact, most people that are being linked to this are clearly and quickly deleting the information ASAP.

For whomever CONTACTED him and/or his friend(s), that's absurd. That individual should absolutely apologize in my opinion. We can dig, because there is a ton of information and connections that are far too voluminous to be coincidence, but no one should endorse/condone/suggest that contacting anyone is acceptable.

You have to give the man credit for addressing it head on and he deserves to be left alone. The information is archived, so if anything else arises that ties back to the WH Guest log, we can dig - but please don't reach out to anyone or draw any presumptuous conclusions that could be damaging unless it is an emergency or something, and even that should be handled by law enforcement if it comes down to it (PizzaGateGear for example).

Now... that said, keep digging!

Phenomenonanon

I appreciate him responding.

justwanttohelp

More bad PR as it spreads through facebook... we need to be careful.

VieBleu

what do you mean, your link just went to his facebook video.

wellington33

look at the Retha Hays comment.

Criticalthinker615

Wow, shills are out in force trying to shake this guys association. I think whatever happened during the visit could lead to charges. They're trying too hard

VieBleu

Who is contacting him? This absolutely has to stop.

However, I will say, that we know Alefantis is a very HEAVY HANDED intimidator - he could very well have made CC feel quite unsafe. The kid may have gotten one of those texting/phone calls, and may have been instructed to go on Facebook, show his acting chops, and deny everything in order to feel safe again. Just take a look at this again to remember that Alefantis is more than a nice pizza guy/weird doco producer. https://www.discogs.com/artist/5471509-James-Alefantis

This response does prove 1) Alefantis/crew arranged for Crocker to visit the WH 2) Alefantis met Crocker before this WH date 3) Alefantis/crew picked up this teen viral and attractive sensation (a "chicken" type, no disrespect intended), began handling him by offering him "fame" though a documentary, then toured him around to different cities for openings and premiers. Sounds like handling a hot property to me.

Later this person becomes a porno star. Seems almost anything Alefantis touches turns into money-for-sex at some point, doesn't it.

Also if mind control were involved in any way, Crocker might very well not remember what happened on that visit. I'm not saying this happened, or is likely, but every possiblity must be considered.

Just sayin'

FuckUredditFuckuSpez

The volume of incriminating information being circulated and reported on, is massive.... That's my excuse for asking the following question.... Fucking james is IN the band heavy breathing? I know that they played at comet, and that james was speculated as being amanda klieman... But is there a simply, definitive answer to the question, "Is james achilles alefantis, in the band, HEavy Breathing.?"

VieBleu

The answer is yes. .https://www.discogs.com/artist/5471509-James-Alefantis

Whose to say Alefantis didn't create this page to take credit for his "great artistic genius".

ThePuppetShow

No.

VieBleu

don't agree, but didn't see your comment below again. will look back into it.

ThePuppetShow

This page is fake. We went over this ^ up there.

Edit: My bad.. It's down there

VieBleu

You are jumping to conclusions. You don't know that Alefantis didn't create this.

ThePuppetShow

I know when it was created, 1/3/2017, and I know he's not going to all of a sudden make a page and admit he's in Heavy Breathing, if it was hidden up until that page was created. He's mentioned in nothing of theirs, other than them performing at Comet, up until this page. With his ego? Not a chance, his name would be all over their webpages.

VieBleu

I think there is a chance - you don't KNOW. He's a suprieme egoist. However, it of course could be someone making it up. Nevertheless Heavy Breathing was like a house band at Comet Ping Pong, and it has MK Ultra style mind control elements all over it. He has also appeared in the Majestic Ape mask. His pic is in at least one of the videos, and there is a high probability he was involved in the video production at least, 'cause that's one of his favorite things. I thnk he was a producer of visual/audio psychotropic materials which helped to set the scene for the blackmail parties - terrorize the kids and mind warp the potential rapists, get the photo, archive. The circumstantial evidence points in the direction that that was one of his jobs. Amanda Kleinman calls herself "puppet" - he's her handler.

ThePuppetShow

You can't prove he appeared in the majestic ape mask, that's all assumption. Why are you making things up? I can tell that's Amanda in those threads and I've argued that. What would it change if JA was Majestic Ape?

That wasn't him in the tongue suit.

VieBleu

Incorrect, it has been proven way beyond reasonable doubt. More than one voat and you tube offering compares specific photos with Alefantis unmistakable mouth characteristics wearing the MA mask. If you are actually interested in this topic, you can find them.

It looks like you are "making things up". His picture appeared in the video. I don't care to argue with you anymore- have a great day.

ThePuppetShow

Confirmation bias. It's Amanda, there's nothing but hearsay to suggest otherwise. There's plenty of pics to compare, I've seen the threads and videos, I've compared for myself in Photoshop.

What would it change if JA was Majestic Ape?

FuckUredditFuckuSpez

i know. I answerd my question, in another comment. Should have kept reading before making the comment you're saying "no" to.

VieBleu

again yes. IMO he acts as a producer. He doesn't do the "house pedo parties" with the band but produces the material. Amanda Kleinman is Majestic Ape's "beard" so to speak. Alefantis likely considers himself the true "Majestic Ape" in line with his ego. He also considers himself an artist.

FuckUredditFuckuSpez

Wait... You're not saying "again" to me specifically, right? If so I didn't see your first comment.... But do you have a source on any of that ? Not saying you're wrong... I'd just like to have a source before factoring this into any thing... I Know the connect to the band obviously, But is there a source that indicates he is involved as a band member or producer?

VieBleu

This is all a tricky question - as far as producer, I can tell you no there is no source for that. That is and always has been my theory. It may be good for you to look at these if you haven't before - https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1453400 and https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1472527

I can say that he is at least intimately involved with producing the videos - his best friend that french guy is I believe the "Pedo Perv" in I No Luv. Amanda Beard (Edit:oops freudian slip - I mean Amanda Kleinman) acts as his beard and takes his role as dominator. He is pictured subliminally on a quick picture shot with his head on a tongue in another video.

As band member there is the link that I provided but The Puppet Show questions. I'm talking about this page - https://www.discogs.com/artist/5471509-James-Alefantis I dont' know about the proceedure TPS used to document the date of that web page but if he is correct it does call into question its validity, however I argue that Alefantis himself could have put that out, as he is a supreme egoist and when he sees all the views and talk about Heavy Breathing, he just may want the credit because he does consider himself an artist. It doesn't have to have been a trolling page as TPS says it 100% absolute certainty and no proof because "TPS knows". I don't trust TPS because of how he argues, with such certainty and so dismissively, even after all this time with a lot of connections to Alefantis, the Majestic Ape mask, and the band as a house band at CPP. If he is CTR he may have himself whipped up that page that shows when the page was created.

ThePuppetShow also asks - even if it was Alefantis what does it matter? This is the most CTR shill position you can take. It MATTERS because 1. Alefantis would be incontrovertably connected to pedophilia imagery and associations 2. Alefantis would not just be the nice pizza guy who spends all his time on community philanthropy like he tries to say about himself. He is the creator if deeply disturbing pedo oriented art at the very least. 3. It may be the beginning of peeling back a CIA MK Ultra unit of production and activity, aimed at the political class in DC

There are probably other reasons It could matter and to have to spell it out seems ridiculous but okay I guess everything needs to be 'splained like someone reading is 5 (not you, ThePuppetShow TPS) so there it is.

ThePuppetShow

I was just being a smart ass.

VieBleu

see below

FuckUredditFuckuSpez

Oh... well then step up your smart ass game. That was some weak shit. Based on my comment, you had a lot to work with. Amateur.

ThePuppetShow

Hahaha

ThePuppetShow

I agree with everything but your source for him being "more than a nice guy/weird doco producer". That page only carbon dates back to 1/3/2017 so it's more than likely someone trolling.

http://carbondate.cs.odu.edu/cd?url=https://www.discogs.com/artist/5471509-James-Alefantis

http://carbondate.cs.odu.edu - No results

FuckUredditFuckuSpez

ahhh. Ok, I should have kept reading before I made my comment questioning the validity of that page.... That being said, Do you really think it was someone trolling? I instinctively assumed it was someone that was trying to spread information, albeit not an effective way, as it's super detrimental to be caught fabricating information about the entities and persons involved.... But the broad implications at play here, can be seen by even the retards...and being retarded doesn't mean you're a bad person, infact, I'd argue most retards are better people than most non retards... But just because a retard has good intentions, doesn't make his acts any less retarded.

ThePuppetShow

You could be right, people have been pushing this JA is MA misinfo pretty hard, it's hard to tell if they're sincere or if they have an agenda. I assume agenda because, even if it was JA dressed as MA at Sasha's party, which it wasn't, it's not going to change anything. Still the same creepy ass "jokes" told in his "family" restaurant. To me, it just seems like a giant waste of time trying to prove that.

For instance, pretend it was JA playing Majestic Ape at the party. Now what?

"Ah ha! It was him who told those creepy "jokes"."

That's it, there's nothing else to say. If they really "euthanized" a child, they did it, regardless of who told the joke.

As far as the manager liking young boys comment, we already know that JA likes young boys, he proved that with #chickenlover and by calling himself a chicken hawk. So again, it's true no matter who told the "joke".

FuckUredditFuckuSpez

You know... I'm on the fence as to whether he likes underage boys, sells them, or uses them for brownstone operations. As of right now, The facts leads me to believe he probably just sells them and uses them for brownstone operations. But My rational is telling me that he probably fucks them too... But My "rational" conclusions have been wrong... many times.

ThePuppetShow

My guess is all of the above, but I've been wrong plenty of times, also. He could be the disposal guy too. Pizza oven, secret ingredient.. "fucking ketchup" from a Arby's that doesn't exist.. Killroom..

I just try to stay away from that stuff now because it turns people off, it sounds crazy.

VieBleu

ok thanks for that and noted.

Don-Keyhote

First openly gay congressman barney frank was also running gay prostitues from his house while dating one I believe. I can't even imagine the depravity a gay with executive authority would unleash.

VieBleu

No worse than what we have already all over the place. Gay or straight, depravity is depravity.

TimesUp

I'm still confused as to why anyone would take at White House tour at MIDNIGHT? http://i64.tinypic.com/i6e6p0.png

throwawaa

That's probably what happens when you don't fill in the "time" box.

Sometimes a recorded date is a default or is otherwise incorrect.

TimesUp

Your point makes good sense. But the reason this caught my attention is because the Boys Town abductees (ala Franklin Scandal involving diplomats and Brownstone operations years ago) apparently involved midnight 'tours' of the White House!

starseedlover

I shouldn't have read the comments on his video, I just get angry when people say stuff like "these dumb people believe whatever they read on the internet. These dumb conservative conspiracy theorists buying this fake news!"

Um, if people believed what they heard without looking into it, selling people on Pizzagate would be easy.

People only believe what they hear if they think the person telling it has some authority or sense of importance. MSM...

I wanted badly to "correct the record" but I didn't want to get caught up in their Facebook circle-jerk.

ASolo

Yeah, he is sincere. Can't help but believe him.

VieBleu

What if Alefantis threatened him too?

militant

What if Captain Ashtar told Alefantis to threaten him?

DefenderOfTruth

I agree. This guy was upset/angry about the allegations and also gave a solid defense. Very different response than from James in his Megyn Kelly interview.

We need to step up our game and be careful not to blast everyone associated with Alefantis. We are all waking a fine line between seeking justice and bringing down people's lives who are not involved.

It really is too bad the FBI is not getting involved. They have access to so much more than we do and could bring everything to a close with justice served correctly. I doubt we'll ever get much from them though. Sigh...

SoSpricyHotDog

Hey Defender, keep in mind, there are many theories/rumors that the FBI is digging a similar tunnel right along side us here @ Voat. There could be good reason for waiting to spring a trap. Anything done prior to 1/20 could be met with a preemptive pardon. There is some curious behaviors that intelligence agencies have been displaying, almost like they are complacent in trying to cover some tracks.

It's going to be up the patriots left in these agencies to bring forth a case... and they are likely MUCH further than we are, keeping an eye on everything dug up here, but pursuing their own leads. Like you said "they have access to so much more than we do". Perhaps it is only a matter of time before they drop the hammer. They may want to "tag and track" everyone that is involved and hit everyone at one time. Imagine coordinating that?

Furthermore, if they are reviewing the 650k emails from the Huma/Weiner PC... they could theoretically be sitting on a gold mine that is exponentially more detailed than anything we've ever seen on Wikileaks. Think about how far this independent investigation has gone, only having a handful of implicit emails and code words to go off of. If the FBI has explicit intel and evidence that incriminates without code words or mere implication, this could make every dot we connect seem minuscule by comparison.

DefenderOfTruth

Thanks for that. I'm glad to see there's some hope of justice in all of this.

VieBleu

What if Alefantis threatened him to make it go away and stop making waves.

noreturn4me

Highly improbable. We need to stick to focusing on public figures and the big fish.

VieBleu

why improbable - he just threatened another person, why not someone he knows. Wouldn't need to even be a threat - iron fist/velvet glove. His project gave Crocker a new level of fame -Crocker owes Alefantis

You are not even making an argument. At all.

DefenderOfTruth

Touché. However, IMO we should focus on the big hitters primarily. The fringe guys like this dude (speculating...) may help us flesh out the big picture, but we will look crazy if we accuse too many people at once. And we may get a little trigger happy with these fringe-but-still-associated people.

This investigation is getting spread out a lot. We will need to tighten it back up before we throw the final punch to break open Pizzagate.

VieBleu

I agree. Just wanted to caution people about discounting Alefantis alleged intimidation tactics - we just got a video today of a researcher resigning because of Alefantis. He's out there and on a clean up mission.

DefenderOfTruth

& boy does he have a lot to clean up! Ha

carmencita

OOPS...Sorry. It said 3 hrs. at the top. I must have listened for about 5 minutes.

EQJ

Wow. The first person amongst hundreds and hundreds that has been brought into these allegations, that actually stands up for himself and explains to the American public what happened. OK Chris, that makes sense. I believe you. As for the other hundreds of you tied to Alefantis, you have some serious explaining to do---especially the ones posting pictures of children one minute, then cum splattering pizza pedo insanity the next minute! Explain that!

lhunterel

Lol, listen to him push the fake news agenda, he should take a step back and look at all the things that brought people to his name, he is just trying to play victim and feign ignorance, probably per instruction..

BeezleyBillyBub

who is he?

looking4truth

He's the "leave Britney alone" guy

EQJ

The guy on the White House guest list on the same two days Alefantis was there.

BeezleyBillyBub

thnx

Singleservename

I agree. Some anon in thread pointed out that 23.59 was very common end time.

The connection with Alefantis was always tenuous. Even if the owner of a crucial house in front of Pegasus is (named the same as) another YT star, Jaime Batres.

carmencita

I am not going to listen tot his Idiot for 3 hours. The Guest List stated that they were there for 2359. That means 23 hours and 59 minutes. They were there continuously. They did not sign out and come back and sign in and out again. Well, he also implied that when you connect the dots it is probably not right. Well, how do the police and detectives solve crimes? Looking at evidence and clues and coming to a conclusion. This guy is in a panic and so is JA and BO. They stuck him out there to cover for them and are hoping it sticks. Not. PS Thanks for posting this.

Alpo

2359 means that they were still there at 11:59pm, and didn't leave until after that day had ended.

carmencita

Thanks for explaining. Should have known that.

Vindicator

Olive, thank you for posting this. Could you add a summary of who Chris is and the main point of his message? Not everyone has Facebook. Thanks.