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Millennial_Falcon

Ihsahn, rule 1: this sub is focused on finding evidence of crime. these kinds of "meta posts" belong on /v/pizzagatewhatever .

SecureYourSeats

What ever Satanic practice or sect they subscribe to, THEY believe it to involve harm to infants, cannibalism and other nasty stuff. This is like those saying that ISIS has nothing to do with Islam because you know some nice Muslims. These people practice some from of Satanism that involves these disgusting practices, actually a Satanism that goes back almost to the beginning of history, when infant sacrifice was practiced, as is recorded in the historic records, the Jewish and Christian scriptures. If ISIS somehow makes all Muslims look bad then I guess we can say that these guys make Satanism look bad. I can't believe I just said that. lol

Kawksnahch

Your'e talking about the difference between Satanism (parody), Luciferianism (personal transmutation), and "Devil/Satan/Evil Worship", which is all your Moloch and guy in horns stuff.

Ihsahn

I get that. Nowhere in any of those sects condone harm to children or to any unwilling party. Blood rituals are a thing, but volunteers are the source of the blood. Nobody is harmed against their will even in the guy with horns worship stuff. There are a ton of willing masochists within satanism who'll allow bloodletting.

Kawksnahch

see.... i'm not sure how aware you of the part about not being against their will.

Gotta invite/invoke the demons, after all. By... y'know... whatever means... Maybe the demon brings the sweet release of death and they beg for it.

cantsleepawink

When will you Church of Satan people educate yourselves and understand that your sect is only one branch of Satanism? Start here: https://occultlibrary.info/aleister-crowley-and-modern-satanists/ .

Ihsahn

I've studied this for decades, I know more about all of those sects than most know about a single one. None of them condone harm to the unwilling.

cantsleepawink

It's all about individual intent, dear.

SayWhatNOWAY

The Vatican is in my opinion the one calling the shots world wide! The most Evil!

Ihsahn

Far more believable.

SayWhatNOWAY

Sorry not buying it! Satanism is the only reason! Nice try!

Ihsahn

Do a search for "satanic molestation" and then "Catholic molestation" and tell me how many results you find for each. I think Satanism is the opposite of what we need to be looking into.

SlackeryTurnBull

I think the "Do What Thou Wilt" of Crowleyism probably makes such exceptions necessary. And I don't think anyone denies the existence of Black Magic. Most people who realize what it is, those who do white magic, probably wouldn't go near it.

Criticalthinker615

Yes like let's solve the case by ignoring one of the main motives. GTFO you satanic detractor https://sli.mg/sLKZE3

Ihsahn

I don't practice any religion at this time. I have no reason to detract from Satanism as I don't believe in it. I'm just laying out what I know from past, first hand experience and trying to point this investigation in the right direction, and be taken serious. As of right now, we're being laughed at because of the "satanic" allegations. This stuff was debunked in the early 90's.

Criticalthinker615

Let them laugh. Who cares? Do you recognize truth when you see it? Truth is truth and it doesn't matter who ridicules the truth. It still remains the truth.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Mahatma Gandhi

SayWhatNOWAY

Upvote!

S3m8o3

Personally I think it also sounds more convincing without mentioning 'Satanic'. And it doesn't matter to me what's behind, it's about what they do. Who cares if they did it for Santa or Satan.

Ihsahn

That's basically what I'm getting at. I think a lot of people are overlooking this because linking it to Satanism makes it sound childish and far-fetched.

SecureYourSeats

I agree that it helps to avoid the Satanic stuff when INTRODUCING people to the subject. BUT it is entirely a different matter when it comes to RESEARCHING the subject. "KNOW THY ENEMY" is the first rule of combat. Knowing who they are, not making them be the kind of Satanism that we understand, but understanding the kind of Satanism that they are, (IE Molech worshipers), is a definite aid.

Ihsahn

Not everything evil = satanism. We're dealing with evil that we don't understand, why can't we just leave it at that?

Kwijibo

It may not be satanism, but it is pagan/occult.

tjarco

why would any religion specifically mention not to harm little children?

think_whatif

John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and stayed not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Thought it an appropriate verse. Christian empathizing Agnostic here, btw.

think_whatif

Personally, when i think about about Satanism and Pizzagate I'm thinking about some current, mass cultural amalgamation of the Christian Devil, Lucifer and Satan.

In other-words, I'm not thinking specifically about about Lavey's 1966 pop-cultural and cartoonish Church of Satan (in their own teachings the church doesn't believe in the Devil or a Christian idea of Satan).

But when you read and watch and study the stories of survivors of these types of child abuse you begin to see the same things occurring over and over: the same "satanic" imagery, the same sigils, the same symbologies and the same sorts of rituals.

Is it Satanism? Is it Demon worship? Is it The Cult of Moloch? The Illuminati? The Reptilian-Alien Global Elite? Some Unknown Ancient Occult Group?

I have barely a clue.

But there is some fucking evil shit going down and we all know it.

Ihsahn

Are you all familiar with the "Satanic Panic" of the 80's? Nearly 100% false and THIS is where some of you seem to be gathering your information. Some people out there actually believe this shit. The rituals you speak of do not exist in any form of Satanism.

http://www.people.vcu.edu/ ~dbromley/undergraduate/spiritualCommunity/SatanicCults.html https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/satanic-panic-interviews http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Satanic_Panic

ALDO_NOVA

yeah the same cover up and gaslighting happened in the 80s

ALDO_NOVA

apparently you have not seen what I have

Ihsahn

What have you seen? I spent 5 years of my life worshiping Lucifer and participating in rituals. Never saw an illegal act. If you've seen actual ritual sacrifice, molestation, etc... You should be jailed for not reporting it.

SayWhatNOWAY

Obviously, Podesta and his clan have.

ALDO_NOVA

I meant in regards to this case: I have seen over 20 instagram accounts that are filled with both blatant occult AND pedo references

the "pizza" culture is a dark sick place, not your everyday Wiccan type

I know people as well into wiccan and OTO stuff - do not think they are involved in anything criminal - no citizen occultist would risk the trouble legaly / jail time / death row

But when you have the government doing this shit, with no consequence - you end up with Occult EXTREMISTS

Ihsahn

That makes more sense. I apologize for the misunderstanding. The symbolism you speak of often means nothing. I am sitting next to a Slayer - Hell Awaits picture disk hanging on my wall right now. It has a pentagram and a Baphomet figure on it. This does not mean I worship satan or harm children. Many of us are heavily interested in the occult, without believing in it, and we often display symbols and images on our social media that don't necessarily represent our beliefs. I'm an athiest but due to my interest and involvement in black metal music, I have satanic imagery laying around all over the place.

ALDO_NOVA

As do I - my room looks like a shrine - skulls, masques throughout - the first albums I bought were Bark at the Moon & Shout at the Devil. would not call myself a prude when it comes to that

I can tell the difference between cultural satanism and real dark occult followers

it's the overt pedo references mixed with an occult slant is what is concerning

remedy4reality

gaslighting ?

Get the fuck out of here.

SecureYourSeats

I don't think he/she's gaslighting, they are just defending some forms of Satanism that they are familiar with and this doesn't match them. They may be right and "Satanism" isn't the right word, but Molechism or something, but stuff as evil and disgusting as this seems to fit the Satan guy better than anything Anton Levay or Crowley made up. So in my estimation that name Satanism is appropriate.

remedy4reality

Of course the OP is gaslighting... he/she is accusing someone questioning their findings as being a pedo.. that is bush league

remedy4reality

This is so pathetically shortsighted and meaningliess. It's equivilant to saying 'All Black people think alike' and ignores the fact that the 'other' religion, Christianity, has been hypocritically killing millions for centuries.

Ihsahn

I can't tell if you're agreeing with me, or talking shit?

Ihsahn

These are LaVeyan laws, yes. My religious background Goes from Episcopalian, to theistic devil worship, to LaVeyan satanism, to an agnostic who studied heavily in demonology, to now being an atheist. I don't know what these people are into, but I can speak from 2 decades of first hand experience that this is no form of satanism or devil worship.

Discover what the Rothschild's religious beliefs are, and dig from there. Good luck.

BTW I don't appreciate the downvoats. I'm new here and only trying to help.

ProudTruther

Whatever religion they practice. They definitely veleiev that raping and murdering these people gives them power.

Ihsahn

At this point in time we have ZERO hard evidence of any rape or murder. We speculate that these things are happening, but we have ZERO proof. We know code words were used in emails. That's literally all we know right now. I haven't ruled out that pizza, hot dogs, etc... are code words for drugs. Makes just as much sense.

ProudTruther

I consider the dutroux affair, the hampstead children, cathy o' brien all pretty credible given what they've been talking about for years and given the circumstantial evidence that has come up recently. not 6 months ago but the truth is the truth however unpleasant that may be.

Between the coded emails, and the sketchy ass instagram, the fake museum. we need to face the fact that the world is run by pedophiles who treat us like cattle.

heygeorge

Please xpost to v/pizzagatewhatever

Ihsahn

Done.

heygeorge

Thanks! Since you're new: You'll get DV'd on Voat for all sorts of reasons. No big deal. In this case it may be because the post doesn't really fit the sub rules and may be deleted by mods anyway.