UglyTruth

Yes, vanity is a big part of the human condition.

UglyTruth

Humans lost connection with their natural ethical base when they became dependent upon a criminal state for protection, i.e a state which sacrifices the rights of the individual for the convenience of the body politic. The "civilzed" state implicitly applies the Roman religious model which asserts that a innocent man was tortured to death in order to save the world. Blood sacrifice and Satanism are connected at a fundamental level, which may explain why the Roman church has a historical problem with the abuse of the innocent (as paedophilia).

LaDonnaRae

I am OH-SO-GRATEFUL for PSYOPS training. It is certainly coming in handy today, both here and on YouTube. The trolls are out! LMAO!

UglyTruth

Empathy is natural to many species, it's not something that derives from the human condition, which originated as a cultural distinction between "civilized" Romans and "barbaric" non-Romans (Cicero).

UglyTruth

My opinion isn't important, but the facts matter. Not everyone is afflicted with with human condition, the belief that it is universal is a religious one. Humanism is fundamental to the security model of Roman "civilization", and its religion embraces universalism (Catholic = universal). Dignity arises from natural qualities, not from a human behaviours.

Meerika

Not true. Wild imagination from Russian reporters! This is part of the Russian's information war Finland (my country) is experiencing.

LaDonnaRae

Russia does not ALWAYS put out false information. As proof, I give you RT, who covered our election (America) quite thoroughly and accurately. You just have to weed through the disinformation/misinformation and FIND the true information. LOL Anyway, so what are you saying? The assassinations did not happen? Or that Norway is lying on behalf of Russia?

Meerika

Actually I contacted the widow of the other journalist through Facebook today, and he told that the ladies (journalists) were NOT in the Russia 12 hours (meeting FSB) before the shooting, as the article claims. Not in Russia at all. So, there is serious mistakes in the article and dots are not connected properly.

atheist4thecause

Notice the date. This is actually from early December, so relatively new, but by now much of the good information that is going to come out should already be out. Sounds interesting, if only I had the time to investigate this.

LaDonnaRae

Same here, but I just got diverted onto something else thanks to someone on Gab. BUT, I am still checking for comments on this one.

LaDonnaRae

When you have a topic that is passion-laden there is going to be conflict. And I am not sure that is a bad thing. For one, we need to police ourselves. I am on several social sites, and too many people are off on tangents and losing site of the FOCUS. Running down every pizza joint, hot dog stand, and ice cream parlor on the planet looking for pedophiles. Etc. Some of it is positively insane. Those of us who are SERIOUS about PizzaGate are heeding what we were told by the FBI. Focus on the Clinton Foundation. Period. Yes, that includes Comet Ping Pong, but not exclusively. It would be nice if we all came together, but in order to do that we must get on the same page.

LaDonnaRae

I am just stating facts. I do not believe I said anything about your being against me.

SpikyAube

This article has already been shared here and debunked. The reporters and councilwoman were all killed in Finland, yes, but this article offers no sources or evidence for the claims about Russia's FSB report or the other claims it makes. If you click on the links dotted throughout the article you'll see that they are just links to irrelevant things, or related websites but with no proof of what the article is actually saying!

Here are two of the other posts on this article:

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1474549 https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1464129

LaDonnaRae

Thanks. Someone just posted three but I have not gotten to his/her reply yet. I considered the possibility of disinformation simply because Norway has an axe to grind with Hillary. But, then again, that is also a reason to EXPOSE her, so it could play either way.

UglyTruth

Sorry, there's no such thing as human dignity.

http://forum.clonehost.net/topic/20/humanism

LaDonnaRae

I never said that, either. Quit reading into my comments. I said Russia kept Hillary out of office. That is true. What we are witnessing is a war between Vladimir Putin and George Soros...and it is going to reach a head next Friday. Be ready.

LaDonnaRae

All I am saying is, while I am MORE THAN HAPPY to work with Putin on this (he DID save us from Hillary; weed through the DNC BULLSHIT and the fact remains that Russia definitely did us a favor!), he is no saint and it would be wrong to characterize him as such. And, I will look at your links.

LaDonnaRae

Maybe. Maybe not. I seem to recall a lot of guys "with mental problems just randomly shooting" right here in #America. Never a motive. Such as #Islam. Nope. "Mental problems." Yeah. Right. Or, do you believe those bullshit stories, too?

UglyTruth

Bullshit stories that describe jihad is a synonym for terrorism, you mean? Fake news includes misrepresentation of the relationship between Saudi Arabian donmeh and ISIS.

LaDonnaRae

They ARE synonyms, or are you going to start defending #Islam? Because "jihad" means "struggle", right? Just an internal spiritual struggle? Like "Mein Kampf"? Odd how that turned out. Do not start with me.

UglyTruth

They are not synonyms. Context is everything: the struggle of Islam relates to the cause of Allah, the struggle of Mein Kampf relates to Hitler's national socialism. If you can't cope with the facts then you've got no place here.

LaDonnaRae

And you completely missed my point (on purpose, no doubt). Islam is about domination, as was Hitler. Which is why they teamed up. I would say YOU have no place here, because this is not Voat/Islam. This is Voat/PizzaGate. SO GET OFF MY FUCKING BACK WITH YOUR FUCKING DEFENSE OF A MURDEROUS, PSYCHOTIC CULT CALLED "ISLAM"!!!

UglyTruth

You didn't make a point. Islam is about submission to Allah, not domination of others. Islam is a religion, it doesn't "team up" with anyone. You don't know what Islam is, and you brought the subject up, shithead, so don't whine about it when your argument gets shredded.

LaDonnaRae

Why are you wasting my time? If you knew anything about World War II you would know precisely what I am talking about. You have shredded NOTHING. You are a troll. EVIDENCE: This thread has NOTHING to do with Islam, jihad, or anything else. This is about PizzaGate. YOU are here fucking with me. PSYOPS. Now go away, asshole.

UglyTruth

I'm wasting your time because you are too stupid to accept the facts. Your reference to WWII means nothing. I shredded your argument when I pointed out tha Islam is not about domination and that your anthropomophization of religion was a fiction. This thread related to Islam when you brough up the #Islam hashtag. You're the asshole, making your false allegations about Islam.

LaDonnaRae

And you LIE your ass off. I know more about Islam than you wish I did. And I am now blocking a TROLL.

UglyTruth

I'm not lying, tosser. You're the one who is characterizing Islam by the actions of Nazi collaborators, not me.

SpikyAube

I have found no evidence at all that this incident is related to Pizzagate or child trafficking. If you do find any evidence for a link, please add it to your post and let me know, and I will un-debunk it!

LaDonnaRae

I have a better idea. Why don't you catch up on this investigation and then I will not have to explain to you what you should already know?

reasonedandinformed

Joined 2 minutes before a shill cautionary post!

BeezleyBillyBub

Is this for fucking real? Child trafficking operations began right after a Clinton visit?

LaDonnaRae

As if Putin cares about Christians. LMAO! And, we do not need to help the Russians. They have their own reasons for doing what they are doing. We simply need to help facilitate their goals, and they will help us in the process (if that is possible; legally I have serious doubts).

Disciple7

As if Putin cares about Christians.

What gives you reason to not believe this?

I said Russia kept Hillary out of office. That is true.

Based on what "evidence?" TPTB said so, the same force that is trying to cover up the work being done here?

LaDonnaRae

ROFLMFAO! Gee, Stalin was Greek Orthodox. I am sure he was a very religious man. NOT. And for the answer to your second question, read my blog. Of course, you will have to start from about five months ago....

Disciple7

ROFLMFAO! Gee, Stalin was Greek Orthodox.

Your flippancy is noted but what does that have to do with Putin? Stalin was a member of the Gregorian Orthodoxy, later he became an atheist. Putin is allegedly Russian Orthodox. He is much friendlier than our current lame duck in regards to Christians.

read my blog.

No. Post the the actual evidence here if it exists, I've seen enough long-winded "hack" narratives than I'd like.

LaDonnaRae

The "actual evidence" is in my blog, and I am not here to play-fucking-games, nor am I hear to repeat myself for each individual ASSHOLE who wants to WASTE MY TIME. Read my blog, or fuck off. We are busy here, and you are a classic TROLL.

Disciple7

I'm not a troll, when you tell someone to "read my blog" it sounds like you are trying to self-promote for ad-revenue. We are all here for a reason, so to imply that your time is more important than anyone else's is a dick move. If you can LINK TO THE BLOGPOST I'll read it, I don't think that's an unreasonable request. I think you can understand if one doesn't want to jump down another rabbit hole for the day; particularly one that seems to be another slam piece on Russia at a glance. I've done a lot of reading, a lot of them being anti-Russian pieces as of late. My autismal gland is losing energy for the day, you know your blog better than I do.

LaDonnaRae

I do not have ads on my blog. And most people negotiate it just fine. I have been working on this for FOUR YEARS, and you want me to drop everything and give you a personal guided tour. No one reasonable asks for me to do that. And I have not slammed Russia. I made it quite clear that I am grateful to Putin, although I realize who he is and have no intention of FORGETTING who he is. Apparently you are reading-impaired, which accounts for your unwillingness to read my blog. Now move along.

Disciple7

Apparently you are reading-impaired, which accounts for your unwillingness to read my blog. Now move along.

Really? You had to add that? Everything else would have sufficed and piqued my interest, but then you have to put a passive aggressive backspin on it. Good job.

LaDonnaRae

Nothing passive-aggressive about it. Do as you like.

pizzaequalspedo

Sadly the Clintons have probably killed more of their political enemies than Putin has over the years.

LaDonnaRae

It sure looks that way. Unreal.

LaDonnaRae

That is the million dollar question. Entirely possible we have some help from Russia, but we have serious issues I just discussed in my blog post yesterday. Trying to prosecute this case is going to be extremely difficult, and I am still looking for a solution. I will be visiting with the U.S. Attorney's office sometime this week. They are more knowledgeable than myself and they might have an angle I have not considered.

UglyTruth

For a prosecution to be effective it would have to be within a common law jurisdiction. Common law is inherently theistic, but in general lawyers will not admit this.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Talk:Common_law

LaDonnaRae

Regardless of the basis of our society, religion has no practical application in a court-of-law. Something is either legal or it is not. Whether or not that particular law has a basis in morality is a different discussion and has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this one.

UglyTruth

The practical application of religion in a court of law is the making of oaths, since an oath is an act of religion. The relevance of theism at law is in matters of truth and ethics, both of which are of course relevant in this case.

LaDonnaRae

OK, but let us get back to human trafficking, shall we? We are not having a philosophical debate. This is an investigation.

UglyTruth

As soon as you frame the discussion in terms of humans you are implicitly buying into the cultural and legal baggage of humansim. This investigation goes to the heart of the security relationship between citizens (i.e human beings) and the state, so it's important not to endorse that relationship by using language that implicity accepts the relationship as being of value.

LaDonnaRae

Who CARES??????????????????????????????????????? We are discussing human trafficking, the Clinton Foundation, and how to bring a case (if it is even possible). Please go find Voat/moot court.

LaDonnaRae

The "client" is Hillary Clinton? And, I checked on The International Reporter. It is out of Norway. Interesting. Thoughts, everyone?