VieBleu

excellent.

Fateswebb

Lol you dummy you blocked me from that board and I had never one time even been to it... but mmmmmkay.....

MolochHunter

poor old @armyseer , still playing imaginary shill whack-a-mole

yawn.

privatepizza

Great that David Seaman's highlighting this. He gets info out to so many people, there are 350 comments on the YT video already. We all play our parts, it's fortunate that we have him, and that he's willing to be the front line.

abortionburger

attack the facts please

B3nder

I am surprised he keeps asking for money over and over...not

abortionburger

lol i'm broke as a joke, so if anyone wants to tip me on steemit....;)

B3nder

Honestly, I dislike the guy, not only does he get a shitload of money from people, no, he just repeats stuff that other people found out and wants cash for it... Am I the only person here who thinks that he is greedy? He really believes that 4-5 videos a week in front of his laptop are enough work for him to make a living (4733 until now only on patreon is much more than I would need for a living) whilst other researchers don't even ask for donations on Patreon, Paypal, Bitcoin...

victuruslibertas

Truth be known, DS just started becoming popular on Youtube 4 months ago when he allegedly got canned by HuffPo for an article he wrote about H Clinton's health. He immediately posted a video after that saying he was pretty much fearing for his life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHhNr5jeTIw . It was at that time, he became a YT phenom. Before that, he reported on bitcoin and before that, he was on Joe Rogans show a few times. As far as $$$.. Most of his YT $$$ has come since his "I feel threatened" video.

He has over 17m views on his videos which means he's made about 35K so far. Probably 80% of that has come in the last four months. 28K... 7k a month and growing is not bad for what he is doing.

So yes, I agree with you

B3nder

Yeah and always his "Hi friends" in the beginning - we're no friends you greedy fuck.

abortionburger

I see your point. I sent him the article yesterday and he never got back to me. I actually saw the video this morning via a link on r/conspiracy .

Truth > Money in my opinion. Regardless of his motives, a story that I worked hard to validate is now viewed by a lot more people that might not be Voat members.

VieBleu

you are being very diplomatic with them. They seem jealous, however everything that is being done is voluntary - Cman voluntarily put his face and name in the line of fire, and he has taken a lot of flak for it. If people want to send him some support money, that is their choice. I want to think that our community is strong enough to support outspoken reporters. That said, he is functioning more like a mouthpiece - investigative work on his part would be nice, or more in depth reporting. But these guys choosing to focus on making a negative statement about Cman - I question their choice to spend their time grousing. There's only two of them, they should get a room and moan it up together! lol.

victuruslibertas

Good job putting the facts togther

B3nder

average video being 10-12 minutes (last one 3:56) . So 5 videos a week are 1 hour of "work" per week. So lets be generous and say he works like 2,5 hours/week on this matter. 10 hours a month - 4733 $ / 10h = 473,30 per hour + the other money from BTC and Paypal...

VieBleu

Here's one I'd like to see calculated - Average amount of time you've spent complaining about this vs how much you've spent actually uncovering anything important re: pizzagate?

B3nder

Haha, how stupid are you? Am I asking for money? Am I doing shitty videos with days old content? Shut up and crawl back into the hole you came out of.

reasonedandinformed

@armyseer is a shill. This is a legitimate video worthy of watching. Upvoat this so it replaces at the top.

reasonedandinformed

You are a known CTR shill, @armyseer , so just shut up now! Everyone else, this verifies authenticity of something worthy of more attention.

justanotherpizza

please show your reasoning. armseer is providing the reasoning for claims made. telling someone to shut up does not make you look good.

reasonedandinformed

I have confronted this shill in many places. Look at the history of the poster, who is constantly trying to push off legitimate leads. This individual also makes claims without support if you actually bother to look. I have, and you will see that most of what they post is full of holes. If you are uncertain when someone points out a troll, just look at the history of both involved to see the truth.

justanotherpizza

stating that you have been in a fight with someone many times doesn't mean that you are right. legitimate leads are proven by objective supporting evidence. not who shouts the loudest/longest. I have looked at the claims in the post above, and it seems reasonable to question credibility. You still haven't given one single objective fact to support your claims. you have some good posts, and I encourage you to practice what you preach.

Be careful what we push - try to verify and validate before passing along information from unconfirmed sources https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1468638

reasonedandinformed

I get it. Then please spend some time with the same argument directly with @armyseer . I did not initiate this but was responding to @armyseer making an unwarranted attack against the poster. I did not initiate it but was pointing out that @armyseer gives all the appearances of a caution troll from all the evidence I have seen, constantly saying: "Nothing here. This is disinfo, trust me. Move along."Look deeply at his posting history to see if you agree. He may just be overly skeptical and not CTR, but he dismisses things very easily, some of which I have investigated and found to be credible.

justanotherpizza

ok, I will spend some time reviewing armyseer posts and consider your perspective. if you can give me any examples of something you found credible that armyseer discredited, that would be helpful. otherwise I will look into it myself. thank you for a good dialogue.

reasonedandinformed

OK. The post he was questioning (the thread we are in now) is one example. Go to this thread ( https://voat.co/v/pizzagateshills/1531628) ), which is where you can find MANY good investigators based on their contributions. One example is @HopingToHelp , who I know has posted many worthwhile submissions and comments. He attacks @Pizzagategear and many others here: https://voat.co/v/pizzagateshills/1541317 . If you dig, I think you will see that is he will hastily dismiss arguments or people, without much or any substance. He may be well-intentioned and not CTR, which is where I sit right now on him, but I was responding to his quick dismissal of the OP here.

justanotherpizza

Thank you, I will follow up on this. I reasoned armyseer was not CTR based on, among other things, the lack of activity in the pizzagateshills sub. I would expect more active people if it was a co-ordinated CTR effort.

Paul_MuadDib

You realize no one buys your shit right? You are the biggest disinfo shill on this site.

abortionburger

are you referring to me?!

Fateswebb

I think they're talking about armyseer, who is very suspect as a shill.

reasonedandinformed

No, he was standing up for you and referring to @armyseer , an exposed CTR shill and liar.When we see CTR jump into action, it can be a good indicator that something should be looked at more deeply.

abortionburger

almost immediately after posting, I got a message saying that @armyseer had banned me from the subverse /v/PizzaGateShills , which he moderates.

Intheknow

maybe he's getting you mixed up wih abortion burgler

abortionburger

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic

You judged something as either good or bad on the basis of where it comes from, or from whom it came.

Fateswebb

Actually someone discredited something I posted as well saying the EXACT SAME thing that the video channel had a flat earth video. But (and yeah I know the earth is round and HAS to be round) all it makes me want to do is go actually watch the flat earth videos lol. Even though it seems impossible, I don't look at it the same way. I look at it as you do. Never attack the source otherwise you're immediately censoring the information you have been provided. So if I watch the flat earth video, and I suspect it won't convince me, but I'm still willing to look at what it says. If I don't watch it then I have limited my understanding of the different angles that things can be looked at from.

To dismiss information simply based on the source is actually very dumb. Think about it... David icke puts out videos of reptilian elite, but ALSO has some fact based videos. So are we to say the fact based videos can't possibly be true simply because the reptilian videos? I think some of these channels do this as sort of a plausible deniability or life insurance policy. Because if I have a 100 percent accurate video channel and it's calling out the government for conspiracies then I get suicided. But if I add in a couple flat earth and reptilian elite videos then they don't want to suicide me as much because they can used the ad hominem attack to discredit me, no need to kill this idiot..

Still if you're censoring yourself based on what other stuff is associated with it, but you're still willing to get news from CNN or MSM, then you're being dishonest with yourself. Because just like David icke and the flare earthed videos, MSM has also been proven to post fake news.

So yeah even if the guy reports that a spaghetti monster ate the moon, you can still look at the rest of the things he says and take each one with an open eye, just because you believe video 243 doesn't mean you have to believe video 152.. or even you can only believe bits and pieces of each.

Dismissing them before hand is actually self censorship based on preconceived notions and in a real investigation it just doesn't have a place in my opinion.

reasonedandinformed

@armyseer is a shill (or possibly incapable of logical thought?), so when you see something flagged by that account, it is cause to look deeper.