If you wanna bring Comet Ping-Pong ring down just focus on the guy who admitted to seeing pedo rape there and was censored on voat + reddit ( pizzagate )

submitted by michael86

start here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/5opvyd/i_was_sexually_assaulted_8_years_ago_by_the/ https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1574385

more confirmation of this story, 2 months ago: https://archive.fo/iDbWN

guy came on voat to speak, his thread was also deleted there (he gave there even screenshots of emails): https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1575095

David Seaman also talks about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3JSSuF1G8o

if we get someone to come forward to the police, more shit will start to leak out im sure...

ArthurEdens

I'm not saying he didn't molest him before as a child, I'm saying, in the headline it says "admitted to seeing pedo rape", and I can't find where in the posts this is explained. The rape victim said he was raped and heard that the son was raped. So where does anyone explain or admit to seeing "pedo rape"?

jangles

Name calling gets nothing. The only valid statement from @Crensch on this thread

  • The Mods did not request for the OP to include the link, they just delete. This is the problem. Request for change first and if no comply, then subject to delete. This case irritates lots of contributors here on VOAT.

Crensch

Mods do not have to request a change before removing. They will not do this - ever.

jangles

That is BS. Some of the mods have done this. Many ppl on v/pizzagate have had mods request changes. Don't lie. You have a bad attitude. Probably all the sick pedo shit you're dealing with. Maybe we need a special thread here on v/ to help victims rather than stress them. DO YOU UNDERSTAN?

Crensch

Let me clarify.

Mods do not have to do this.

They will not be forced to do this, ever. As in, the rules will not change to force it.

jangles

You are correct. Yet I do believe that the sensitivity in posts like the one in question may need to be discussed further. The mods who do show a deeper sense of understanding, respect, and attention to sensitive, relevant and/or exposing posts gain much more respect from this community. This is necessary to keep this initiative flush with researchers. This issue at hand does not help even my interest in providing efforts on this thread.

AreWeSure

Dylan was 19 in 2009.

You can speculate however you wish.

Orange_Circle

That's the kind of help I wouldn't want. The only thing you have when it's over is anal leakage.

RebeccaSugar

That, makes me feel a little better actually.

WeCanDoThisThing

I suppose u r correct as he's obviously got large gold reserves. And I thought about sending him money, then thought better of it. But he does have a large forum. And he goes on other podcasts and brings awareness. I'm just sayin let's not attack each other.

WeCanDoThisThing

At least he has a large forum to bring attention. How do u think I got here? Now I spread the word every chance I get! And he's black-balled as a journalist for discussing hitlery's health. Everyone has to make a living.

Crensch

Degenerate rule-breaking faggot wants to call mods pedos for enforcing the rules. Get fucked.

Crensch

you've made a terrible mistake, ruining a real lead in an investigation.

No, we enforced the rules of this subverse.

make excuses all you want, keep distansing yourself from the humane cause of what we do and maintain your basement dwelling logic of life.

Keep making appeals to emotion, because that really gets you places. /s

Crensch

you scared a traumatized victim who wanted to come forward, all for your pathetic "rules"!

Not my problem. The rules were created by the users here, and mods are to enforce them objectively.

I hope you feel bad knowing that boy surfaced his PTSD and YOU silenced him, acting as heartless as the people we're going after.

That really makes me care less, since it sounds so fucking fake and snowflake-y.

The AMA could have been hosted on pizzagatewhatever, whatever, thedinnertable, juicetown, occidental enclave, thedonald, or any number of other subverses where it's not specifically against the rules. If he couldn't get past that, he has no business being here.

Stayvigilant

There should be an ability to discern between being a dick and furthering our cause. @crensch we should be able to hear testimony of alleged victims. It adds to the evidence pile. Who put this guy in charge? Does he know anything about investigating?

Crensch

Here is the bottom line. There is no other facet of any of this that matters, whatsoever, so read this as many times as it takes for it to sink in:

The post was against the rules. Posts that are against the rules get removed.

@michael86

Stayvigilant

okay crensch where should he have posted?

Stayvigilant

We are now at that point in the investigation where we should be able to hear testimony Jesus

ArthurEdens

What pedo rape was witnessed there? I only know of Coleen Greenwood's son being raped, who was around 17-18 years old, and this former employee's rape, who was in his early 20's. Not saying those aren't terrible, but they aren't pedo.

VieBleu

he's prob a shill, don't give him too much of your attention, he doesn't deserve it.

tjarco

probably that they forgot to mention that it should be posted in v/askpizzagate or v/pizzagatewhatever

VieBleu

lol yeah, that will happen. Some wooden response from MF about rule #__ and forum slide.

Crensch

It was against the rules of the subverse. Nothing needed to be discussed.

jangles

There was a lot of discussion between mods on this, THEY SHOULD POST THOSE DISCUSSIONS

VictorSteinerDavion

There was a lot of discussion between mods on this,

How do you know this?

THEY SHOULD POST THOSE DISCUSSIONS

There should be no need to 'post' discussions as the correct protocol for mod discussion is to publicly discuss things in v/pizzagatemods

If this is not being done and you are aware of private discussions happening between mods that aren't public let me know and we'll see what can be done.

jangles

@gopluckyourself told me "situation being handled internally. Am trying to get in contact with the user so that we can do some verification before redoing this" and no public statement from any mod

gopluckyourself

still no word from the user to the positive there was the one response of "I'm tired and out for the day" then radio silence after that.

Crensch

... No, there really wasn't. It was a clear rule violation. Stop being stupid.

jangles

I don't see which rule it violated, explain.

Crensch

Heh, which post? This one?

4.

jangles

[–] Phobos_Mothership -10 points (+5|-15) 4 days ago rule 2, no discussion posts without sources. this will be deleted

From the link you provided. How is this 2, there was lots of links to sources

Crensch

From the link you provided. How is this 2, there was lots of links to sources

Literally none in the submission. Did you even click on the link?

jangles

So he was nee and put them in the comments thread. Rather than in the op. Irritating the mods don't consider the situation on hand.

Crensch

No, we don't, because enforcing the rules subjectively will cause PG to no longer be welcome on this platform. The mods will be removed and you'll have the forum-sliding, fake-lead spammed free for all hugbox you seem to want.

The users voted on the fucking rules, and it's the job of the mods to enforce them. Keep typing out how much this is triggering you as long as you like, but not a single thing will change because of it.

jangles

Verification in this case was easy. WTF

IsThisGameOfThrones

We need to rally behind this young man. I came forward with information about alefantis and the community attacked. I can't imagine how this guy feels right now. He goes public with very sensitive information and the community pushes him away rather than taking him in and listening to him. Quit acting like this every time somebody comes forward with allegations of Alefantis doing something to them personally. Take it for what it is and if it proves false then so be it.

SterlingJB

Hope he talks with Opperman like you did, and that the voat community (barring the MK Edgar shooter story) continues to show tact and restraint by not harassing to the point of silence those connected that might have info.

IsThisGameOfThrones

Ed was very supportive and professional. I'm very happy that I decided to talk with him. I would suggest he do the same.

SterlingJB

Also, I personally didn't attack. Just found it hard to believe the guy would actually respond. Seemed reckless on JAs part. Can't blame peeps being sceptical and paranoid around here tho. I've mostly only been a reader and my phone and computer have been janky AF lately.

IsThisGameOfThrones

I always understood the skepticism but the attacks is what got me. Yeah he's out of his mind for doing what he did

SterlingJB

Since posting more I'm starting to believe in shill armies. The attacks may've not been entirely organic

creep

Listen and believe? No. No rational person should ever just take what anyone claims as truth without questioning it.

Your posts were shown to be horseshit to sell your Pizzagate merchandise and are what made me unsub from this verse. You didn't provide a single shred of evidence that couldn't easily be forged, as many people pointed out. So let's temporarily give you the benefit of the doubt. Let's assume everything you said is true -- I can't believe you because you just couldn't resist hocking your wares. You destroyed your own credibility. Your comments damage everything you post on.

IsThisGameOfThrones

I refunded every single person that spent money on PizzaGateGear.com

Not because I thought it was wrong because it was serving as too big of a distraction for you guys to wrap your heads around

creep

I refunded every single person that spent money on PizzaGateGear.com Not because I thought it was wrong because it was serving as too big of a distraction for you guys to wrap your heads around

It wasn't a distraction. It was a conflict of interest.

IsThisGameOfThrones

It wasn't.

HomeboyChrisBanned

Theres alot of shills on here trying to change peoples perceptions. An accuser is exactly the kind of proof people are saying we dont have. They're either shills, stupid, or scared.

Vindicator

Glad to see you are still about!

VieBleu

Speaking to this community is defacto speaking to your opposition - 50% or more on here are the CIA and paid Brock shills. Then you always have a couple of stupid random trolls who can be louder than loud. Do not harbor resentment because people interested in pizzagate are not the attackers.

justanotherpizza

It could very well be that 5000 of the 10k subscribers are paid opposition. If you believe that, then it is very easy to believe that they are able to upvote posts that can mislead or discredit the investigation as a whole. personally, applying occam's razor on these type of claims, I believe the person is not acting in good faith if they don't go to the police first, and then come here with a police statement. If you had been raped as a young adult many years ago, and finally got the courage to deal with it, would you go to the police, or to an online forum?

also, including the address of someone that is the son of a chef that used to work for CPP many years ago.... that is doxxing, and that is a BIG RED FLAG.

VieBleu

yeah I can't stand doxxing and the mods here are totally lax about it. I've never seen such effed up mods in my life.

I think your standard of reasoning is a good middle ground, but behaviors vary. Would I go to the police instead of an online forum? Not sure. A lot of things happen between people that don't get taken to the police, who are often hardly trustworthy, especially if you've already learned not to trust authority because of abuse. I've known someone who was molested as a kid that would be far more likely to talk to "peers" than law enforcement.

IsThisGameOfThrones

He explains why he didn't in his AMA

justanotherpizza

I am not contesting that explanations were made, I am saying that talk is cheap, and it would be believable if the person had contacted law enforcement and shown us the proof.

IsThisGameOfThrones

Talk is cheap?? He's a human being coming forward with allegations of being sexually assaulted and your response to him is talk is cheap? He didn't have to come forward but he did because he thought this community deserved the information. He's put himself in a lot of danger just to come out public with this.

justanotherpizza

In this environment, where anybody can claim anything, and we KNOW that some percentage of subscribers do not have good intentions, then yes, talk is cheap. that statement is not meant to be demeaning, it is just a fact.

he or she that originally posted the allegation used email screenshots as proof. just like with the person that alleged that they had been threatened by J.A. by showing screenshots of a chatlog, these kinds of evidence are too easy to fake. they unfortunately don't prove anything.

IsThisGameOfThrones

I am the person that alefantis threatened. I provided the Facebook messenger chats, the call logs, the text chats, the police report number, and I even sent my phone bill to many people around the world. I provided you with everything I could and still I get told it's not proof(yet it's good enough for FBI and lawyer). All I'm saying is you guys are not lawyers or professionals in the field. You shouldn't have this attitude or give me (random fucking person on the internet) everything you possibly have or GTFO. This guy is coming to you with info that he feels comfortable enough to give to you. It is irresponsible to say well because you may not want to give everything out you could be lying so GTFO.

justanotherpizza

You don't owe anyone anything, and no one owes you anything. you put out what you feel comfortable with, and people take in what they feel comfortable with. this is the only responsible attitude in participating in an open source investigation.

really, no hard feelings and I mean all respect to you. you have your reasons for participating, and whatever they are, I am ok with them. but precisely because none of us are professionals, we have only the Mods and eachother to hold ourselves accountable. critical dialogue is the fundament. I welcome it, and if your intentions are correct, so should you.

IsThisGameOfThrones

I'm not saying don't use critical thinking when you receive info. I'm saying when somebody comes to community with real life events that have happened to them be a little more respectful how you deal with them. This is their real life. It has serious real life consequences to them. You are an anonymous internet person. It has no consequence to you. Think but be respectful when somebody comes forward with sensitive info

justanotherpizza

Yes, you are right. I agree. once again, no disrespect meant. Thanks for the discussion.

IsThisGameOfThrones

None taken brother. I think I'm just too amped up from trying to defend trump these past few days. Sorry if I was acting like an ass

Freemasonsrus

I would not assume the DC police are my friend if I were this kid. That may be why he would choose to simply share his story online.

justanotherpizza

You raise a good point, although I remember when this was posted on reddit and voat, and thinking that it seemed suspect that the OP posted in several subs on two sites and then left within a few hours. since then the person hasn't said anything. I find it strange.

kekistocrat

For my part, I did not attack. I am very skeptical about everything given the nature of the circumstances. The very best of disinfo agents use logical fallacies that are designed to slip past people that do not investigate. The majority of strategies count on this tactic together with providing no proof to backup the claim. They bank on the fact that most do not investigate claims. Most people don't know how to properly come to a fact based conclusion; which is why I push the Trivium -- it shows people how to think critically. Sometimes (a lot) the lack of proof is the only detail that the whole case rests on.

Also, I look at the two extremes of believability and rejection. If this story is true, then what? If this story is false, then how does that change anything? Etc. With your particular story, accepting it as truth comes with far reaching consequences. Yet, disbelief negates the possibility of Aleflakeis' personal involvement and more. However, given the circumstances and lack of proof, I must err on the side of logic. The claimant always has the burden of proof. The claimant must comprehend this just the same as the researcher is firmly grounded in reality and uses facts and proof of facts. You would be hard pressed to get any public official (police or alphabet gangs, etc.) to 'rally' behind anything without proof. That's what makes this so difficult and is exactly why they are reluctant to investigate.

NeedPolyGF

assuming they're not crooked cops in the first place.

kekistocrat

The FBI did help coverup the Franklin Scandal. But the only way that works is through top-down control and compartmentalization. The entire organization is not corrupt, just filled with useful dupes who believe the narrative and then there are the architects in top positions. There are also many people like us believing in themselves and motivated by righteousness yet limited by access and resources. But, yes, you're right... hopefully the ones viewing these comments are not corrupt and will uphold their positions with honour and dignity and NEVER compromise their moral values for a bribe or worse, an authoritarian demand. When does following orders preside over moral judgement? Never...

SterlingJB

Public pressure and not allowing it to slip down the memory hole is I think the strength of whats happening on voat. Maybe someone here does come up with a smoking gun, but if it's true as it looks from this side of the screen, they already know but all attempts to investigate have likely been "prohibited" ones due to "national security" issues.

Orange_Circle

His current boyfriend is much, much younger.

Intheknow

as in how young?

Orange_Circle

He looks college age and Alefantis is 50 something.

SlackeryTurnBull

Your attempt to discredit me exposes yourself as the shill. Sounds like that march is a bit more up your alley. Did you see David Seaman there?

VieBleu

no, they are just questioning you, that doesn't make them a shill at all. You need to be questioned. To quote yourself, "Why are you so defensive about being questioned".

SlackeryTurnBull

I never accused anyone of being a shill before they accused me. Why? Because I don't need to, I can make my point without it. Others apparently can't.

So why are you turning it around on me like I was the one who brought it up? That's pretty much a shill tactic.

quantokitty

Now I'm suspicious because this victim's allegation keeps getting post after post. We all have seen it, and if the allegation is true, it's huge in confirming JA is involved in criminal behavior. But it doesn't do any good to go online and have others keep repeating an allegation. If the guy was drugged and raped, he should file charges or start a civil suit. This is no place to decide. It could be a place of support IF the victim files charges or a civil suit. If he doesn't, then it's an allegation. And the pedo rape ... I don't remember anything about that in this claim. It was about being drugged ... not being an underage child.

HomeboyChrisBanned

Statute of limitations is up. And it costs money to file suits too. Do you not get either of those two facts?

quantokitty

What year was this? I thought it was around ten years and the SOL is fifteen. In high-profile cases, it's easy to get an attorney on a contingency fee basis when there's a lot of money that can be recovered. This would be the template for such a case.

joey4track

In DC SOL is only 3 years I beleive

quantokitty

No. in DC: SOL for 1st- and 2nd-degree offenses is 15 years. SOL for 3rd- and 4th-degree offenses is 10 years.

SlackeryTurnBull

Lack of proof = debunked. So by all means, investigate and present the proof. Anonymous claims on the internet should be completely discarded without any proof.

Recently Donald Trump attacked the press for publishing stories about him that were not verified and apparently false. How does that not apply here?

VieBleu

Wrong. Anonymous claims on the internet are for discussion, which is actually what Voat is - a discussion board. We don't have to prove anything to talk about it. To say it is true - yes, to talk about it, no.

You don't just "discard" topics because they are not immediately proven. Ridiculous assertion. We are not in a court of law here.

SlackeryTurnBull

Maybe not discard them, but certainly not imply that their true and proven when they are not. This is what will bring censorship to the internet, and there will be no one to stop it if we don't police ourselves and keep fake news out of it.

No, let me amend that: any unverified claims like PizzaGateGear Guy's should not be included with general summations of Pizzagate evidence, unless looking to lose all credibility. We should stick to facts and only facts.

AreWeSure

Why do you phrase this as "admitted seeing Pedo rape?"

The guy from reddit claimed it happened to him and he was a college student at the time, not a child.

The confirmation is about a different instance. Carole Greenwood left Bucks/Comet in 2009 her son would have been 19. That instance does not mention rape either. It mentions "taken advantage of" which reads to me as seducing someone vulnerable. There's no indication of non consent there.

VieBleu

I agree the "admitted seeing pedo rape" is misleading and inaccurate. In fact the alleged victim said he never saw anything suspicious particularly, but then added that he wouldn't put it past JA to do either.

How do you come to the figure of C. Greenwood's son Dylan's age? Like to see the support on that.

AreWeSure

May, 2003 Washington Post article on chef Moms. He is listed at 13. She left Comet a full 6 years later in June 2009. He would be 6 years older.

VieBleu

thanks.

SayWhatNOWAY

Victims need to come out in groups! Safety in numbers!

VIrginiaPerson

The only kind of verification I need is that a story rings true. I'm a survivor myself and I've heard other people talk about horrifying sexual abuse. What that dude said that struck me was his confusion (he said he had Stockholm Syndrome), his destruction of evidence to avoid reminders (PTSD triggers), and his general confused and embarrassed behavior in response to getting attacked.

It is terrifying to imagine facing your abuser in any circumstance. They and you both remember your worst moments- when they asked you if you liked it and you were scared and said you did, or when you willingly went and talked to them again after they abused you, thus making it seem like you forgave them. These things hang over your head and make you wish you could die. That's the kind of stuff that keeps people quiet.

MolochHunter

did i miss something or is the headline misleading? Greenwood's son was mentioned as being 18 at the time in my reading of the threads?

SlackeryTurnBull

Why are you so defensive about being questioned? Because you know the questions are valid and it's disinfo?

The Greenwood info sounds like it comes from an inside source. Maybe JA is behind the whole allegation to justify the removal of pizzagate information. You do see the logic in that? That's what disinfo is for, to discredit any truth that might be found out. It's extremely disappointing to see people letting their guards down on that front and just believing anything any anonymous person on the internet says without proof. Aren't we better than that?

SlackeryTurnBull

Are my questions invalid or illogical? CTR shills aren't usually too smart. They make stupid, illogical claims, like accusing someone of being a shill because they're skeptical and point out disinformation. Why do you think this was removed from Voat? Probably because it was completely unverified and those are extremely libelous claims.

SlackeryTurnBull

There have been a lot of unverified or hard to verify stories going around and taken for fact. The whole investigation is in shambles imo.

And there is no proof that that was Alefantis as far as I'm aware... If there is, it needs to be presented in a clear, concise fashion.

SlackeryTurnBull

More like if you want to bring Pizzagate down. Fake News will be our defeat.

Mommyplayer571

All those 404s very suspicious. Like the purge on A Kline. I think the perp in this post was trying to clear his name that he likes adolescents only, not 8 year olds. It was in the email exchange. Like he really wanted to prove what he did wasn't wrong. There is a good Pedo victim lawyer in Portland area that helped a guy get 14 million off of a local BSA suit a few years back. There are likely many victims. Could be statue of limitations coming up soon. Don't wait. Threaten MD that he needs to report all suspected or potential child abuse. Also banks will have photo copies of bank deposits. Get an attorney.

salinaslayer

You can't give them their childhood back but the kids deserve restitution

Mommyplayer571

Kelly Clark is a Pedo victim attorney. Spread the word.

spez_dispenser

Does anyone else remember GLP anon who went on godlike productions with his story?