Birdzeyeview

Y A W N

Piscina

Yeah, well if you hate children, this would be a YAWN.

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Tell them Goddess!

Piscina

I'm sorry, but the people attacking Steiner/Waldorf need to spend some time at a Steiner school. I've had a lot to do with Steiner, having volunteered at a Steiner school for years. What I can do is speak from personal experience. Steiner takes a wholistic approach to education; they look at the WHOLE child--emotional, psychological, educational and physical. They take a common-sense approach. They prefer children not to watch television, because tv exposes them to sexualisation, objectification and consumerism. Whilst little 5 year old girls going to government schools are twerking to Miley, five year old girls at Steiner are innocent. Parents are encouraged to feed their children whole foods, as opposed to junk and fast foods. Children are not allowed to wear clothes that display brand names on their t-shirts, so that kids don't buy into that whole "Everyone's wearing xxxxx. I want one too". Children are not taught anthroposophy, even though there are books available to parents about the subject. Please people, don't confuse spirituality with satansim.

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My parents conspicuously purchased the cheaper brand names as a method of character building. They seemed to have had the progressive edge on your school and now I run the world, so, perhaps you should adopt their method. My father thinks he is the devil and my mother is convinced she has black/blue blood and is the holy mother of God.

They strike me as occultists. You can never be too careful in this day and age. There are occultists around every corner and then there are those forever chasing the circular dragon. You do release, don't you, that 3.14 is PIE backwards, don't you?

postfascion

Rules?

Piscina

All my nieces and nephews went to a Waldorf Steiner school. Rudolph Steiner was spiritual but was not a satanist. Love, acceptance, kindness was all I ever saw taught at that school.

AugustaJulia

My kids went to a Waldorf school. I can't say anything negative about it from the perspective of the occult or Satanism. I haven't seen anything like this. There are some ideas that I really like, such as they do practical things before they start studying things from a theoretical perspective. For example, they do field trips and study the soil, rocks, and plants in their natural environment, and later they start studying geography as a theoretical subject. This way it's not an empty, abstract subject to them.

Another thing that I like is Waldorf architecture. They don't believe in straight lines and right angles, and so their buildings are very interesting and organic-looking. I have a pet theory myself. I believe that the onset of the modernist, minimalist, box-like Corbusier and such architecture was Satanic-inspired. When you look at straight lines and empty surfaces with nothing to rest your eyes on, no pattern to scan, you experience sensory deprivation. Surrounding people with drab, boxy buildings makes them less human.

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Rather unusually high concentration of participants on this thread.

kekistocrat

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How very interesting and completely in line with this cult school

Hampstead teacher walks free after sexually abusing nine-year-old girl http://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/crime-court/hampstead_teacher_walks_free_after_sexually_abusing_nine_year_old_girl_1_1669170

kekistocrat

Disgusting. Classic pedophilia sympathizing defence, same as justifying rape -- 'she wanted it.' I didn't research the author (Josh Pettitt) but I can speculate that he is sympathizing by the general wording of the article and how it is presented. Another 'virtuous' pedophile. It seems even his peers were trying to negate his act by referencing his history. Filthy...

superesper

Read Steiner you absolute moron.

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I'll let you away with that one.

VieBleu

Shhhhhhhhhhh... the Vrill are sneaking up behind you BOO!!

BTW this is total crap and not commonly accepted. Have you even heard of Lord of the Rings? EVER?

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"Among its readers have been those who believed that its account of a superior subterranean master race and the energy-form called "Vril" was accurate, to the extent that some theosophists, notably Helena Blavatsky, William Scott-Elliot, and Rudolf Steiner,"

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"The Vril Society believed that Aryans were the actual biological ancestors of the Black Sun."

I read Animal Farm and Prozac Nation as a child. I left the fantastical for my life.

HunkaHunka

The Astors , particularly William Waldorf Astor and Vincent Astor, have ties to the satanists at Waldorf Schools, The Dakota and Singer Castle.

The Bourne Identity?

The man who built and owned Singer Castle worked for George Clark. (Frederick Bourne)

George Clark owned and built The Dakota.

(recall that they built The Dakota with secret passageways in closets and tunnels etc. like Singer Castle)

Singer Castle is uncomfortably close to creep-out Kingston Penitentiary

Bourne lived in The Dakota when he built Singer Castle.

Frederick Bourne had extensive ties to the Astors and to George C. Boldt, who managed the Waldorf Astoria Hotel for William Waldorf Astor, and built the Boldt Castle nearby to Singer Castle.

So in essence George Clark built really built both The Dakota and Singer Castle (Bourne worked for him) and William Waldorf Astor built Boldt Castle (Boldt worked for him).

Boldt and his wife lived in the Waldorf Astoria. Bourne and his wife lived in The Dakota.

The Astor family regularly visited Singer Castle, built by the same man who built The Dakota.

So essentially the same cult of people lived together at The Dakota , the Waldorf Astoria, and Singer Castle/Boldt Castle in the Thousand Islands.

And now we have made our links to Waldorf Schools and Rudolph Steiners Theosophist Society. Which in turns connects them to Aleister Crowley, who lived near The Dakota .

Which in turn leads us to the semen blood and baby-lonian recipes of Aleister Crowley.

Including of course Crowley's and Theosophy's connection to the ancient Jewish- Greek/Egyptian Mystery Schools.

And then there's Spirit Cooking and James Alefantis. James Alefantis connects in with Waldorf Schools and the Order of Ahepa.

Think of all this next time you have pizza and salad. (Waldorf salad with Thousand Island dressing, anyone?). What a Krafty bunch.

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The Dakota where Lennon was shot and where Rosemary's Baby was filmed, which was directed by one of Kissinger of MKUltra's favourite directors?

HunkaHunka

yes, the elite NY satanists, and Waldorf Schools first American school was in NY City. and that director you mentioned went to the mafiosi military academy school which owned Singer Castle . Skull n' Bones military Academia running MK Ultra programs. No doubt connected to the military mk brainwashing facilty Kingston Penitentiary

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Do you mean spiritually, financially, intellectually or in the position of nepotism, elite?

HunkaHunka

need to investigate when that school purchased Singer Castle and if the dates correlate with the WW1 era of military torture of prisoners at Kingston Penitentiary and Eastern State Penitentiary in Philadelphia

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Did the Thule society meet there?

HunkaHunka

Westchester Institute is the military school which purchased Singer Castle, but they were HQ in The Bronx section of NY when they were creating mkultra zombie suicide soldiers prior to WW1:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Salle_Military_Academy

this is definitely linked to the German occultists

that school was run by the NY occult elite prior to WW2 when they DID own Singer Castle, so the logical assumption is they had the same zombie soldier production going full blast at Kingston even for preparation for WW2

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This MONARCH school teaches the same mind control that the CIA and nazi's created

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They think they are going to trigger me above and below But guess what. DNA took a gigantic jump.

redditsuckz

Now the shills think they can defend occultism and that it will fly with the normies...when this investigation first started there were shills saying how great a guy Aleister Crowley was and that the OTO was full of friendly people ...just like James Alefantis and Comet Ping Pong...great guy and a great place...yeah...dont think so...

kekistocrat

Some of the normies are buying it. I hate to see that. I have a hard time believing the upvotes for these foolish comments are from real people, however. I've seen so much about Gnosticism and it's benefits on this thread... yet nothing about the 'group of people' that is associated with it. Kabbalah is so great and Thelema (Crowley's MI5 brainstorm) is so spiritual. They love the planet....

It's JEWISH MYSTICISM. That's fine, I'll play the asshole that points out a (((pattern))).

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They are under MKultra.

SIMONBARROW

If you stop this video at 11.17 you see an email sent to Alefantis by an unknown person (who's a friend of his) who tells him that he is 'a pathogical liar and cannot stop talking about who you know or what you have done.' Alefantis's reply is oddly friendly.

PromiseKeeper

Bullshit. Baloney. Walforf does NOT endorse child abuse let alone rape and murder! Waldorg teaches morality!

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It teaches eugenics and chosen one mentality.

VieBleu

/\/\THIS/\/\/\

VieBleu

Downvoted - Steiner schools are fine.

cantsleepawink

Have you got any links ?

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This MONARCH school teaches the same mind control that the CIA and nazi's created

cantsleepawink

Luciferianism as the Gnostics understood it is not the same as our modern ideas of what satanism is about. Believe me, they are not spirit cooking at Waldorf schools.

postfascion

Thanks man, I think you're right. Its a shame we're here discussing this instead of bringing true institutional abuse to light. Hopefully people will research this for themselves and quickly find out the truth.

Atlantean120

Occult simply means hidden. This is crap- downvoat x million.

FearlessFreep

Yup. The bible clearly says Jesus was an occult master. Matthew 13:35

kekistocrat

King James Bible: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

Matthew 13:35New International Version (NIV)

35 So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet:

“I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world.”[a]

I don't see it. Help me. Occult master?

FearlessFreep

"Occult" simply means "Hidden". The term is used in astronomy a lot. The modern connection to demonic worship is inaccurate. Hollywood may be partly responsible for that.

ConcernedParent2

I disagree with the comments saying the Waldorf school systems are "fine". When I was looking for schools to enroll my children in, I looked into Waldorf schools, there is much criticism of it being "cult like" and having racist and Nazi roots. I suggest you do some reading. Knowing a few people who went there and turned out okay doesn't mean anything. I'm sure there are some Waldorf schools that are okay, but to deny the racist and occult roots, as well as the philosophy of their education, is very dishonest or ignorant.

http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2012/11/what-every-parent-should-know-about-steiner-waldorf-schools.html

http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2012/07/the-insidious-pervasiveness-of-the-cult-of-rudolf-steiner.html

The only way I can really describe Anthroposophy is as an esoteric crypto-religious organisation based on a mystical and racist view of humanity and an astrological and clairvoyant view of understanding science. Anthroposophy is full of barmpot ideas, such as the literal existence of gnomes, that the British Isles floats on the sea, homeopathy works, and burning mice ritually will protect your crops from them. Oh, and if you are good, you will be reincarnated as an Northern European Ayrian. And its adherents either don’t want to know this themselves and most definitely do not want you to know this. Should its fundamental beliefs and aims become common knowledge then it would cause all sorts of problems, not least for Gove’s new free Steiner Schools*. Adherents deny and spread disingenuous misinformation in order to soften criticism.

Yates

Quit shitting up the board.

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You are no authority.

VieBleu

more than you are!

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I can member for a lot longer than 3 days I will have you know.

Yates

Member for 3 days

I am over you.

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"Madam Blavatsky calls a vital and intense eugenics breeding"

Jem777

How do I help? Get others to research?

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I think we all need to go vegan first of all. Start living as to maintain our youth, for we are going to be living a lot longer now.

This sends a very positive message to the rest of the universe that we are evolved and not savages.

Jem777

Do you know how I understood? Do you know who L. M.?

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7 Therefore I prayed, and understanding was given me; I called on God, and the spirit of wisdom came to me. 8 I preferred her to scepters and thrones, and I accounted wealth as nothing in comparison with her. 9 Neither did I liken to her any priceless gem, because all gold is but a little sand in her sight, and silver will be accounted as clay before her. 10 I loved her more than health and beauty, and I chose to have her rather than light, because her radiance never ceases. 11 All good things came to me along with her, and in her hands uncounted wealth. 12 I rejoiced in them all, because wisdom leads them; but I did not know that she was their mother. 13 I learned without guile and I impart without grudging; I do not hide her wealth, 14 for it is an unfailing treasure for mortals; those who get it obtain friendship with God, commended for the gifts that come from instruction.

Jem777

B. O. ???

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Wisdom of Solomon 7:22

Jem777

Psalm 23....... Do you know L. M. ?

Do you know D. S. Or. JMC?

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God no.

Jem777

No worries just checking? I know walked away back to Jer. 29:11

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Thank you.

Jem777

Bowing down I guess Jesus knows the story.

I will be a witness. I can go personally to D.S. & J. C. and speak directly to them.

From SS to to escalen including the "churches"

Including "Dr. M. S. &. L.G. The "sex Institute studies"

The churches in between

God bless

Jem777

Get my message about witness? The story is amazing. D.S. and J.C.

Would be stunned but know God I can personally link from eye witness Papal/SS.

Tavistock...

To Escalan

Including NY Illinois NY Through St. Louis

Back to Ma.

Everyone on the way.

Including back now at Harmony

They would be stunned but could only believe God. Jer 29:11

Jem777

No worries. I can connect dots from Rome/Papal. to SS/Germany. to Tav. All the way to Escalen

First hand account with living witness Simultaneously time with D. S. and . J.C.

Never told the whole story. Asked God to help me connect the dots

Witness passed in 2010.
Witness with Jung 10 yrs? Witness was 80 yrs old

Simultaneous personal "work" with D.S. and J.C. at. coast in Ca.

Walked away turned back to Jer.29:11

Never told the story. Only they would know then stunned

The witness story is in me.

Also trai

and simultaneous with D.S. had living witness never t

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We need to connect the dots of the past ten thousand years, are you ready?

Jem777

Ten thousand years... I am ready for the part I have been entrusted.

From the video you sent me this means exposing the Tav. Institute along the way and the knowledge and understanding I can contribute. Correct

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Yes absolutely. We need to expose the link between Hampstead and DC/Hollywood. Clinton Foundation/ Supreme Master Cult / Ricky Dearman / Barbara Kahan / Money Laundering fronts for child pornography. Finchley Road. MKUltra. The contrived wars for profit. All death industries must go.

Jem777

Okay. I am ready to do my part. This means exposing S. Freud, the rest of "psychoanalysis founders" Especially the roles in the Tavistock and what it all means?

Jem777

Yes I watched. I know this is group effort how many estimated others are helping wondering?

Sorry to ask questions but I have yet been able share what I have learned/experienced because others struggle to "hear me". I have never told the lessons to fully or in depth.

The reason I trusted in you is because I prayed and gave you the scripture John3:16 You sent me that beautiful picture of Jesus

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Speak your truth and those on your wavelength will appear.

Jem777

Ten thousand.. Ready for the part I was entrusted with!

BrickInTheVVall

Sorry but this is just one bridge too far. Find out more about Waldorf school systems before posting things like this. My girlfriend teaches in a Waldorf school and there are no satanic rituals going on there.

Also the big mistake people seem to make all the time is that they think occultism is the same as satanism. This is incorrect. Satanism is an occult practice but so is alchemy, astrology, spiritualism, religion, etc.

To the occultist, occultism is conceived of as the study of the inner nature of things, as opposed to the outer characteristics that are studied by science. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occult) )

So in other words:

Apples (Satanism) are fruits (Occult). But not all fruits are apples.

VieBleu

We have been inundated by shill spam posters denouncing everything from egg logos to Helen of Troy . this is just one more.

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Egg Logos Egg Pistis, Egg Persuasion.

kaptklok

I lived in a Camp Hill village for a couple of years. Wonderfull people. This was really a setback for my theories about Alefantis.

postfascion

Alephantis is still in question. It's very likely PR on his part.

postfascion

Where the fuck is this investigation going? Do you KNOW any kids that go to a Waldorf school? Generally, the most balanced, polite, intelligent children I've seen coming out of any educational system, with parents that seem to want that to be the case. Yes, there is a mystical core, but not all of the occult is satanic. That's why it's specifically called SATANISM. So Alephantis is apparently involved with this specific school... That should obviously ring alarm bells if true, but if you condemn all Waldorf schools in the hopes of creating a backlash towards them, you are playing into the hands of the Satanists that want the truly corrupt "educational" systems to remain operating. Research the shit out of this before judging.

srayzie

You say "there is a mystical core, but not all of the occult is satanic." I don't care how polite and balanced a kid could seem. Anything for children of the occult is bad. I can't believe you are defending this.

postfascion

If you were informed you'd understand. I don't need to defend the side that want to see children flourish rather than be abused. The witches were burned by the male dominated, child abusing church for a reason. They were the wise women/shamanic cornerstone of each community. I suggest to try and defend the system we currently have, and you'll see that the dark side are very much in power.

srayzie

I don't like the liberal public school systems or their teaching evolution either. I think they should butt out and stop pushing their views too..stop confusing our kids and their sexuality by pushing LGBT community and giving them safe spaces to go cry if they hear a trigger word. But I would not want my child to have anything to do with the occult. As corrupt as our world is, I can see why so many people are turning to home schooling.

postfascion

I can understand. There's a lot of fear from the occult, and rightly so because of some practitioners engaging in black magic as well as the disinfo. However, there is the white side too that venerates the feminine mother earth and ALL her children, it is called wicca among other things (the pentagram faces upward towards the divine rather than the satanic towards solely material gratification). I can't speak for them all, but the Waldorf is closer to Wicca. I agree with you on everything else you mentioned, there is a concerted effort to fuck with us and ours on pretty much every level, but some occultists are fighting for what's just on the hidden (occult) level also.

srayzie

Well thank you for understanding. I'm a Christian so I have a hard time with the occult. I used to be a paranormal investigator (not anymore). The leaders of my team were Wiccan. After they whipped out an out an Ouija board and called on spirits I was done. That was several years ago. I got some good EVP that night tho! But I stopped doing all of that tho.

postfascion

I believe in Christ and his message too. I'm sure we share exactly the same values but under a different name. Unfortunately some Wiccans like the mistique of being a "witch" more than giving it the respect it is due.... The Ouija board is not something to be toyed with, if used at all. There is no sure way of determining who or what you are invoking, and we have enough demons running amuck as it is. Sounds very phantastic, but it does seem to be the case. All the best :)

srayzie

Thanks. You too :)

VieBleu

We have been inundated with misinfo posts- must be a lot of CTR came back from holidays and got down to work. This is an example, connected Alefantis to something reasonable and denouce it. Makes the investigation look dubious. Get used to using your down voat all the time please.

postfascion

Am doing, thanks. Staying on topic is Paramount (I say that having spent half the day trying to clarify this shit to people).

VieBleu

this too will pass.

postfascion

It will. You're right, thankyou.

EyeOfHorus

How many Waldorf parents and children do you know? You imply its many. Why do you know so many?

postfascion

I spent a while in Sweden, and live in a progressive (kind of a loaded term nowerdays) part of the country. How many of them drunk the coolaid in terms of politics recently annoys the fuck out of me, but they are good people overall, with good kids, and want the best for humanity and the planet.

EyeOfHorus

Sweden indoctrination or celebration? Shit is really fucked up there. Arrogant elite occult flaunts this crap for the world to see. They have no repercussion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVw_mPvYcDM

postfascion

I haven't the time to start arguing again. If you're interested in my perspective read my posts above. You are partly right, but partly wrong.

EyeOfHorus

I'm not arguing. I gave you a link to the swedes government sanctioned occult. There is really nothing to argue about, merely a FYI .

postfascion

I know about that ceremony. There are two main antagonistic forces. This thread is about Wardorf schools, not the obvious Satanism in every western nation, and some further afield. You are saying that Watdorf is satanic because there is a proportionately large amount of wardorf schools there and this link is meant to confirm a connection? It is an argument, yours is uninformed, and reeks of confirmation bias... FYI. I'm not going to piss in the wind trying to convince you.

EyeOfHorus

Nope, you're reading way more into my reply. And you seem really defensive. To clarify, I thought you were seeing sweden through rose colored glasses when you were so quick to defend waldorf. I was attempting to show you how fucked up swedes have become when they pay for occultism, in the open. The vague connection being that if the government is so open about Lucifer, then how could anyone be surprised a private school with direct ties isn't.

Not sure what you are trying to convince me of, perhaps that the OP was wrong. The OP links are factual and your response is that you know nice waldorf parents and children. And you seem quick to defend. Its not personal at all to me.

postfascion

It isn't personal to me, there is a certain amount of frustration that comes with defending a subject that is complex to people who apparently have it all figured out I will admit. But Im calm, im collected, comfortable in my position, and I aint buying into your pseudo high ground. This thread is dead for good reason. Quit wasting both our time.

EyeOfHorus

What are you defending? You come across like a waldorf steiner anthroposophy fanatic.

postfascion

Not a fanatic. Just seeking truth without dogma or confirmation bias. I want to see the best for all forms of life/God, no matter what lables are attached. And currently the end of the influence the Satanic abusers have on society.

BadGuacamoleTV

Look dude.. The Apex of all spiritualism leads to one place. Gnosticism, Thelema, Kaballah.. The same place. This "Light" you speak of is Dark Light aka an "angel of light". Podesta is Gnostic.. These schools are gnostic. This shit fits like a glove.

postfascion

Look dude! Educate yourself on this stuff a little more, if you want to truly beat them you have to know your enemy, otherwise the abuse of children continues, once you do so, you will learn that there is and has been a war going on for a very long time, and not all the labels you just spouted belong to the bad guys. Why do you think they engage in this shit and are successful?? Both politically and monetarialy? Why yes, cus it has power that's why. Power in itself isn't bad, it is what it's used for that matters. By all means remain ignorant, but by doing so you point your finger at those who are a force for good as well as evil.

joey4track

Yeah literally everyone I personally know that went to a Waldorf school is an awesome human being.

postfascion

Yup, by their deeds you shall know them.

Atlantean120

Do research people, Waldorf schools are way better than most of our pathetic excuses for schools.

ConcernedParent2

I did do research, I was considering enrolling my children in the system. I'm glad I did do research and talked to other parents, because they are not what you and others are claiming to be. I won't say that all of them are bad, I'm sure some of them are fine. But you also cannot deny that it has very racist and occult roots, many that still persist in their philosophy of teaching.

http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2012/11/what-every-parent-should-know-about-steiner-waldorf-schools.html

http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2012/07/the-insidious-pervasiveness-of-the-cult-of-rudolf-steiner.html

The only way I can really describe Anthroposophy is as an esoteric crypto-religious organisation based on a mystical and racist view of humanity and an astrological and clairvoyant view of understanding science. Anthroposophy is full of barmpot ideas, such as the literal existence of gnomes, that the British Isles floats on the sea, homeopathy works, and burning mice ritually will protect your crops from them. Oh, and if you are good, you will be reincarnated as an Northern European Ayrian. And its adherents either don’t want to know this themselves and most definitely do not want you to know this. Should its fundamental beliefs and aims become common knowledge then it would cause all sorts of problems, not least for Gove’s new free Steiner Schools*. Adherents deny and spread disingenuous misinformation in order to soften criticism .

ConcernedParent2

I disagree. When I was looking for schools to enroll my children in, I looked into Waldorf schools, there is much criticism of it being "cult like" and having racist and Nazi roots. I suggest you do some reading. Knowing a few people who went there and turned out okay doesn't mean anything. I'm sure there are some Waldorf schools that are okay, but to deny the roots and foundation of this education is dishonest.

http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2012/11/what-every-parent-should-know-about-steiner-waldorf-schools.html

http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2012/07/the-insidious-pervasiveness-of-the-cult-of-rudolf-steiner.html

The only way I can really describe Anthroposophy is as an esoteric crypto-religious organisation based on a mystical and racist view of humanity and an astrological and clairvoyant view of understanding science. Anthroposophy is full of barmpot ideas, such as the literal existence of gnomes, that the British Isles floats on the sea, homeopathy works, and burning mice ritually will protect your crops from them. Oh, and if you are good, you will be reincarnated as an Northern European Ayrian. And its adherents either don’t want to know this themselves and most definitely do not want you to know this. Should its fundamental beliefs and aims become common knowledge then it would cause all sorts of problems, not least for Gove’s new free Steiner Schools*. Adherents deny and spread disingenuous misinformation in order to soften criticism.

Piscina

You should know that whilst Steiner and his followers may believe certain things, the children are taught none of that. The children are not indoctrinated.

postfascion

Every movement attracts some nut jobs (not that everything that can not be explained conventially is wrong). Take any group, whether it be religious, political, financial whatever and you can find ways of making the entire organisation look crazy if you have confirmation bias. I never heard any of those I know who attended say "yeah, great day we had, got to burn a mouse for science class".

ConcernedParent2

Read the articles, they have obviously adapted and changed since the Nazi era, but they still, at their core, believe and do crazy shit. The whole reason I even looked up information on them was because the website of our local Waldorf school had a very vague and evasive website, and leaving out important information (never stating that they were secular or religious, for example). I found out this was a common practice and complaint from parents who went into the system believing it was a secular curriculum, only to find out later it wasn't and that they believe in fairies and karma, as well as using very white washed version of history.

postfascion

I will look into the white supremacist stuff. However I believe in the holy ghost, and I believe in it's activity in nature (nature spirits, faries are differences in cultural nomenclature). I also believe in karma, hence why a) people are finding out about the presence of Satanism in our society, and b) starting to do something about it. Its right for you to be suspicious of things that cannot be quantified or experienced in our nuts and bolts physical reality, but by their deeds you shall know them, did you talk to any of the kids? Remember every organisation can and possibly has been infiltrated, but we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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Do you live in DC?

postfascion

Hahahaha, no really.

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I'm famous in DC and Rome. The Rothschild speak to me often. Being that we are related.

postfascion

Omg. Really? That's wonderful for you! I'm done.

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Enjoy your pretend magic.

postfascion

Thanks :) xxxxx

joe_hill

Ok

it's not satanic but it's a sect I first wanted my children to go to steiner-waldorf school, it seems good to me. I went and i saw. Some fucking occult teaching with a huge amount of occult symbols that parents don't understand. I went to open doors, i was pleased. But then I have found later that the way of teaching is really really strict to the steiner things, some occults rubbish.

Every single drawing or symbol they do have an occult signification. They NEVER explain why they teach some curious things like elves, infinite eight, why they paint all with gold (gold=god) etc. They fool People.

AND it's also well known that teachers have often love with their underage pupils.

see in french : https://gregoireperra.wordpress.com/

dmtlsd

First off, I would send my child to a Waldorf school before I would ANY public school in the US. Try actually reading some Steiner and Anthroposophy before you try connecting his philosophy to Pgate. You're discrediting actual pgate researchers by spreading this BS. And PLEASE stop throwing the word 'occult' around like it's a bad word, it's not. Occult simply means hidden, unseen.

DL4L

I agree dmtlsd. Occult has nothing to with evil or good -it is only hidden knowledge that may be (and is) used to either end. It is like a hidden science that can be leveraged in an infinite number of ways, aligned with an infinite number of belief systems, and found in virtually all organized systems of religion. Consider that many things once held as sacred secrets of ancient sciences are now freely available on YouTube for the uninitiated to watch. Times have changed, and in recent times the change has accelerated immensely. Much of what was once 'hidden' (occult) is now common knowledge or common sense. Do not confuse occultism, which is itself as a pocket knife, with the same harm such a tool could inflict if wielded by an ignorant person. Occult sciences are simply the sciences of THE WAY THINGS ARE. Not how they seem, not what we believe, not what we hope, not what they look like today from such-and-such an angle, but that which is. All these back and forths on occultism, etc are derailing the focus of exposing large scale criminal organizations that endanger our children. Posts like this are high on certainty and low on facts to back it up. People too g*ddamn sure they are right (not referring to anyone specifically, just a trend I keep noticing) while meanwhile the truth flutters in the breeze. You can't learn a damn thing if you already know. Sorry if that sounds angry it's just so damn frustrating to watch.

VieBleu

seriously, what is wrong with elves?

postfascion

I know, humans fear nature and the consciousness that lies behind it.

1223344556677888

That's where you're wrong, I'm not even human.

postfascion

Firstly, symbols surround us, it is the intent behind them that holds significance. Arrows-phalic will, the christian cross-spiritual (vertical), physical (horizontal). If you want to war against symbols you'll have to stop using the alphabet, numbers etc. Have you ever blown out candles on a birthday cake and made a wish? That is a spell my friend. Again, the "occult" in itself isn't bad, it is the intent behind it that matters. Secondly..well known? It is well known that there are sometimes people who shouldn't be teaching in all the institutions, I would be naïve to believe that they don't find there way into Waldorf schools, they will do what they have to, you on the other hand would be naïve to believe that just because you don't understand them, that they are involved in abuse. Again, how do the kids turn out? In my experience they are more together than those coming from mainstream society with media teaching them what the media teaches, and the school systems accepting it.

1223344556677888

Did you attend a Waldorf school?

postfascion

No, but I hung around people in Sweden that went... Smart, balanced people. My boss's kids go to a school with similar curriculum, guess what.. He's concerned by his daughters exposure to the mainstream media that is oversexualising children. Again, I don't know about the apparent Alephantis linked school, but liking him with the positions of Waldorf is plainly uninformed.

1223344556677888

Oh bra?

1223344556677888

How much does it cost to attend one of these schools?

postfascion

Here's the answer, its case specific... Google.com

DopeandDiamonds

About 10k a year depending on grade and where you live.

1223344556677888

I see.

1223344556677888

I wasn't judging, I was acting as an aggregate.

postfascion

Well like everything pizzagate related, it should be properly researched. Shouting Occult etc. Like it has anything to do with satanism, is damaging to people who are spiritual in ways that some don't understand, but who also want the best for their kids, other peoples kids, and the health/happiness of the planet in general.

1223344556677888

"Some people don't understand"

Would those be the families who cannot afford the entrance fee?

postfascion

Are you pointing a finger at the waldorf school or the fed? State schools are paid for by TAXES, Waldorf are not. Rich people send their kids to ivy league/private. Waldorf parents from my experience make it work because of the track record in teaching things they value. I thought this thread was about abuse, not finance. Edit: To reply to your accusation of me being elitist: No, I believe myself to be more informed than you, and I'm letting you know.... How much do the running costs of a school that's not state supported come to? Your accusation of me being elitist is ridiculous, and again off topic.

1223344556677888

You are coming across as quite elitist.

VieBleu

You are coming across as a witchunting shill.

cantsleepawink

Yes, I'm afraid this one is a red herring. Rudolf Steiner schools are very popular in Switzerland and other European countries. Known for their progressive education, it may be unconventional for some. But certainly not sinister. Steiner was a deeply spiritual man who was very interested in Gnosticism and believed in a holistic education. Interesting though that Comet Ping Pong donated to the school as Alefantis says that he doesn't like children.

BadGuacamoleTV

Podesta is Gnostic... This is all relative, man. Quit your shit.

VieBleu

We are inundated with weird bad posts like this one. Spam posts with all kinds of go nowhere links denouncing everything from Helen of Troy to the Mediterannean Sea! please use your down voat a lot.

thestormking

It was rather obvious from those texts that the two were talking past each other. Alefantis statement could quite easily have been interpreted as saying he's not into children sexually. The more damaging, less often quoted part of that exchange was where Alefantis stated that everything people were saying about him was true. That statement is a lot harder to dismiss and raises a lot more questions than him simply not liking children.

postfascion

Right. Gnosticism has it's bad apples also, like any religion, but overall it was far more in line with Christ than what followed him. Steiner was a good man, who wanted to see positive change it seems to me.

1223344556677888

The Astor family, is that right? Friends with Huxley, yes?

VieBleu

and?

postfascion

There's a link to the Rothschild's as well : http://danielhindes.com/blog/archives/2005/07/ I'm not afraid of links. Its arguable that Orwell was from a dodgy bloodline too, but the masses are definitely more informed because of his work. You can bring "links" to the table all day, but its the end product that should be focussed on. Like I said, the people I KNOW who have come from, or are involved in these schools, have not come from an environment of abuse, on the contrary they are conscientious human beings that care about humanity and our planet. People are becoming more aware of the satanists and where they hide, and the main indicators are their DEEDS, not associations.