When I posted the pizzagate petition here 3 days ago, it had 49 signatures.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1587286
Today it has 88.
My blood is boiling. We cannot sit idly by and say "what did you expect?"
We must get this to Ben Swann or other researchers with a platform. The petition site is one of the only sources We The People have been given for relaying our concerns to the White House. This censorship is not OK. If we can't fix it with phone calls, we can at least shed light on it and shame those in charge.
Here is the related post
where I asked the community to weigh in. The consensus is that yes, there are shenanigans going on, as the other petitions are in fact working just fine. And no, it is not possible that the signature count has only increased by 45 in the past 3 days.
▼ shoosh
I signed it, confirmed the link from my email, and the count didn't change.
Someone put up a petition in November, but the idea was hammered and not received well on this forum, and it tanked.
Maybe the same situation happened with that petition.
▼ thisisnotagame
I just checked it and it is at 95. Page still shows on my end.
▼ hunt1954
The petition count was 94 when I signed. I got the confirmation email and clicked on the link. The count is still 94. Just to check I signed the arrest Soros petition which was 542 and clicked the link on the confirmation email. It is still 542. It doesn't seem this think updates in real time.
Make sure you click on the link on the confirmation email. This doesn't make sense as there are more up votes here than votes on the White House Petition.
▼ sleepingbeautycan
Here is the screenshot of mine being accepted: Well I was going to post the sli.mg of the image but it keeps failing?
I have it in my files anyway.
▼ kekistocrat
At 94 now. Perhaps TWH must validate the signatures?
▼ cakeoflightylight
We need to do this even if it's only to compare the numbers!!!
▼ sunnydaylemons
you have to clink the link in your email after ypu sign to confirm the signature. do you think mostly everybidy could be missing that
▼ karenrussell63
one option is to create a domain and essentially have it serve as a forwarder for WH petition confirmations. so i go to newly created site, register " [email protected] " and it would create an email for them such as " [email protected] " and they would use that when they sign the petition.
so that we would receive all confirmations setup under our site, post publicly everytime someone creates an email, and when/if we got the confirmation email (which we would then forward to their real email). if you can show 100 registrations today and little to no confirmations, or that the confirmation emails dont match the official count, well they would have no way to deny or dismiss it.
worst they could do is blacklist our domain, but even that would leave us with the ability to show we received 100 registrations today, ect.
▼ GenghisSean
I love this. It would provide real evidence of tampering with the petition.
▼ Fatsack
Everyone directly tweet @realDonaldTrump
▼ SecureYourSeats
I think it is wise to be patient with the new administration. This a massive evil enterprise, the Trump administration would be wise to suppress something like this until they get all their players in position. I'm not saying that is what they are doing, I am saying this is what I would think would be in the best interest of those wanting to take down such a wide spread and highly positioned evil.
▼ kekistocrat
There's probably a lot of self-censorship going on, as well -- people reluctant to add their names, etc. Went to the website, 92, signed it, email verified, went back to the site and... still 92... perhaps they forgot to update it manually :)
▼ Ronnilynn31
Just now I did a Google search on him. Literally the entire first page alone, save his Wikipedia page, is nothing but really negative headlines. Not shocking but still pisses me off when I see the unashamed slant.
▼ dankman420
Just signed it. Said 92 signatures before and after I signed. If anyone's counting, count me
▼ IsThisRealLife4
This is extremely frustrating to see. I signed the petition the first or second day it was posted on voat and there were about 40 signatures. I was stunned to see that the number had barely moved a few days later and immediately suspected foul play (thanks paranoia.gov). Just signed again to make sure...did not go up.... http://imgur.com/a/w97eE
▼ zoltan907
Maybe, but plenty of people have signed it, and the numbers haven't changed. Last night, it was at 49 before I signed it. I added my signature, clicked on the link in the confirmation email, got a verification that I'd signed it, and then refreshed the page. The number was still at 49.
▼ hacktheplanet
same
▼ Ciscogeek
Not true. I was able to hit it.
▼ Ciscogeek
They suppressed the petition to back the USD with gold and silver too. It's locked at 1 sig.
Bullshit.
▼ SpikyAube
Can you make another petition, on Change.org or another petitions site? Then you can show them side by side to show how the WH one has been manipulated, and you can also have a march to deliver the petition to the White House when it's reached enough signatures.
▼ User890020
Are you guys keeping track? I would LOVE to see a timestamped-record of all the censorship that occured for pizzagate, EVERYWHERE. Simply infuriating.
▼ BestRolledAgent
Is there a whole world court? I think there is a world court that could look into this
▼ google_is_useful
I checked yesterday and it was at 1300, I can't be the only one
▼ UncookedSpirit
People have been saying the site doesn't work for a number of other issues as well. The only issue allowed to reach 100k is an Anti-Trump petition so it stands to reason that whoever is manipulating this, the sysadmin or whoever, is probably a holdover from the Obama administration.
▼ Silex
Just signed it.. It was 91. Yet, afterwards.. 91. Server issue?
▼ EarlPoncho
acknowledge the JQ or die
▼ AgainstTheNWO
Than i do not believe this number of 91 (still!!). This thread has 1642 views. 10% what is normal % for action would mean only today already 164 votes.
Did some promotion
▼ cakeoflightylight
Um... you just said it was 91. I signed it just now and clicked on verify, and it still says 91.
▼ hacktheplanet
the same thing happened to me
▼ cakeoflightylight
Go to Twitter and tweet that shit. I did. I tagged @realDonaldTrump and @POTUS
▼ cakeoflightylight
The reason I posted the comment below is because I know from personal experience how they can easily fuck with the communication lines. I was on the radio several weeks ago doing a show about Pizzagate on my friend's show, and our phones got cut off the second I started talking about the Clinton Foundation and human organ trafficking. Then we found out that someone cut off the radio show's internet access for the entire day right at that very moment. The censorship is real.
▼ cakeoflightylight
Who would be doing that? Someone AT the White House, or someone from DynCorp or whoever has control over the multiple different computers that communicate with their server on that petition?
▼ AmenRA
They're too busy ordering pizza & pasta to update the site. Seriously, we're asking them to investigate themselves ?
▼ TRUTHWARRIOR
Guys....chill a bit. They KNOW wtf is going on here. Give them some time to gameplan this. Lots of moving parts and people to address. Just keep on exposing but dont piss off the WH. This will all be sorted out. FBI knows whats going on and will take the time to get it right.
▼ AgainstTheNWO
ok, will put on twitter in a moment. 150 we should have had long time ago.
The 2 petitions acted the same way. Did not keep i on voting count clock but i thought was standing on 91 before i signed. That was my thought when i saw your update, than my vote is not yet included so at least 92 now. I see he is still standing on 91, so it can be i saw that number after my signing. But that should mean the last 30 minutes or so nobody signed? That would be a real disappointment imo.
▼ truth_will_out
Those are good points. But, then again, you do need actual evidence . People are questioning if that number on the whitehouse petition is legitimate, and no one can say for sure if it is or not. You and I know that number is bullshit, but we can't actually prove it. So we need to be able to prove it.
To answer your question, I think going forward we really need a two-pronged approach. Just like we're backing up all the links that we share, we need a place to back up all the online actions we take. If we had our own, trusted petition server (and I don't mean voat -- you shouldn't need to create an account or confirm an email address to sign a petition), then when you ask someone to sign a petition next time, you can say, 1. Please sign the official petition here (whitehouse.gov), and then, 2. Please go and mark that you signed it on this other server (ourownserver.org). Then we could compare these numbers and say to everyone "look, these numbers over here on whitehouse.gov are obviously bullshit, because everyone who signed it there also signed it over here."
We've got suppression from above, and an echo chamber below, and it would be super helpful if we had a third place that could serve as a bridge between these two places.
The bottom line here is trust, of course, and running a secure web server can't be done by an amateur. We need a webserver we can trust, and a web expert we can trust to manage it. Is there anyone here that can help?
▼ AgainstTheNWO
Can we than not better ask everybody to upload a screenshot "Verify your signature" email at vgy and collect them in a separate thread? That is a way to fight for current petition and just clean justice for this and all depressed petitions now and in the future. If in a day more than 100 screenshots are uploaded and counting is still 91 it is hard evidence. The difference in screenshot "Verify your signature" email can be done by time of email and/or "part" of name/email address that will make each screenshot unique and can people not upload a other ones screenshot while claiming it's theirs.
▼ truth_will_out
Exactly. But I think this messaging has to be made clear at the outset of the campaign, not as an afterthought. Maybe somebody (not me) could start a new thread here on voat where we can collectively work on the messaging of the petition, since that was one criticism, and make sure that the message is clear that we need people who sign it to take screenshots of their emails. ... although, people seem to be saying that they're not receiving the "verify your signature" emails... ugh.
Then again, part of the whole problem of the digital age is that everything digital can be so easily faked. It could simply be that on "online" campaign is just not going to work period, and what we actually need is for people to write letters by hand , photo-copy them before they put them in the mail, and upload scans of their letters. It's a hell of a lot more work than typing in a text box, but it would give us the paper trail we need.
I'm not trying to obstruct here, but I think if we're going to see this thing through, we need to get serious and methodical in the extreme.
▼ Birdzeyeview
well it's a relief to know there are only 91 of you nutjobs in the USA. looks like after weeks, your 'message' is not hitting home.
So much for clowns like Seaman, he's preaching to the choir...of 91....yawn
THIS REALLY IS A SAD INDICTMENT OF YOUR "INVESTIGATION"
▼ Aphoticamy
Precisely. One of the reasons my gut says we're on the right track is because of the extent of the censorship. Methinks they doth protest too much...
▼ DarkMath
We need to raise awareness, that's how we fight this. It's too easy for the WH to dismiss PizzaGate because not enough people know the facts. What's the most unassailable fact about PizzaGate showing its utter absurdity? Edgar Welch shooting up Comet Ping Pong looking for kidnapped children.
What's the most efficient way to send a political message? Humor. Send this "Edgar Welch's sister enters a bar looking for her friend Gary" joke meme to everyone you know:
https://youtu.be/U8XrE0FSQv4?t=21
Humor is a very efficient way to send messages, everyone likes a good joke.
▼ AgainstTheNWO
It is not on there home page for signings. Your link works, but without it people can not reach it for what i can see.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions?page=1
To be honest, for me that is positive, i think it is a sign they are working on it and do not want extra attention to it and have the rats on the run. If you see what petitions are on there, i only signed this one also https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/investigate-hillary-clinton-crimes-committed-against-people-and-government-united-states
All others are not really worth time while this issue is not solved.
We just have to give Trump a couple of weeks the time. After al those years, it can not be the problem to wait some weeks extra. If we have no direct indication of this being on Trump his agenda in 6/8 weeks, the situation changes dramaticly. For now, the actions that follows his talks gives me hope that also counts for Hillary mafia clan in jail if time is right.
▼ carmencita
Tweet to Trump. Do not mention pizzagate. #WHCommen#Suppression#FreeSpeech Or something similar. Wait for his response.
▼ BadGuacamoleTV
When you verify in your email, the count doesn't go up.. The "short url" they give you to share with other people DOES NOT WORK, EITHER.
▼ Fateswebb
Make a petition to stop suppressing petitions? 😂
▼ atheist4thecause
Ah, okay. You convinced me.
▼ AgainstTheNWO
I have signed just now. I just blatantly thought it is only for Americans but i did check now and it is for the whole world to participate. So, other non US citizens, you also can (and must) sign!!
By having 10K+ members and mostly 1K+ online, i would expect a lot more signatures!!!
Sign the damn thing. Sign the damn thing. Sign the damn thing. Sign the damn thing. Sign the damn thing.
▼ sunnydaylemons
should we contact certain news and journalists
▼ DontTreadOnMemes
Jeff Sessions has not been confirmed as Attorney General. We need a new AG and DOJ before any progress can be made on that front.
▼ goodguy1367
I guess we just have to politely tell them they can all get fucked and that their blatant pedo protectors
▼ sunnydaylemons
what was the response from the WH website, did anybody get ahold of them for answers?
▼ sunnydaylemons
should we write letters to our representatives
▼ truth_will_out
@HopingToHelp , I suggest that you reach out to the community here and ask for someone with web experience to set up an online petition on a server that they control, and a person that the community trusts, and can vet if they don't trust. I know your heart is in the right place, but what you're seeing with this petition is just the same thing as what's been happening with pizzagate everywhere else on the internet: suppression, censorship, and cover-up. We're not going to get far if we think that we can ask the criminals to investigate their own crimes. We have to do this ourselves.
▼ truthseekertx
Agreed!
▼ atheist4thecause
Did you advertise it? You can't just post it on Voat and expect to get enough signatures. You have to commit to a campaign where you spread it all over the internet.
▼ newworldahead
How long until Sessions get approved? Anyone knows?
▼ save_thechildren
I hear next week.
▼ truthseekertx
Senate Democrats are playing politics right now and had things delayed but I think they were shooting for next week if my memory serves me correctly. Soon enough though Jeff Sessions will turn things around.
▼ abortionburglar
Lol. Sessions may be okay, but pedo Trump won't let him do anything. Yall are in denial.
▼ truthseekertx
Ummm....Trump has no power over the Judicial Branch. Exactly why we have separation of powers. Holder and Lynch let Obama control them. What makes you think Sessions would be as weak as the previous corrupt AG's? I think it is you that is in denial.
▼ AmishMechWarrior
It would be a lot better if Sessions didn't have antiquated views about drugs. The War On Drugs is a big facilitator of human trafficking and other criminality. I hope he'll focus on what actually matters.
▼ truthseekertx
Damn...looking like we may need to create another WH petition demanding that the administration stop hampering with the initial petition. lol.
▼ studio24investigator
Or maybe nobody wants to sign it because they don't want their real name associated with pizzagate?
That's certainly why I didn't sign it, and I've advised my friends not to sign it either.
▼ Batmansfriend
Don't be a pussy and that's not helping the cause telling your friends not to sign it...
▼ studio24investigator
If you think the Trump administration is gonna be on board with us you are sorely mistaken, he fired Michael Flynn Jr. just for mentioning pizzagate. We have to do this ourselves.
▼ Batmansfriend
Oh bro I know, it's fucking ridiculous!! Everyone is saying Sessions is gonna do it...yea fucking right! I want anyone and everyone involved locked up and tortured. Your exactly right this is up too us. And one thing we can't have is fear. I'm willing to die for a kid that will not have a fair chance of being a fucking kid. Everyone said oh wait till the 20th!?? If I was president on inugaration I would of sat all those pedos together and the first words of my speech woulda been. "Ok shits gonna be a little different this time , America these important people who sit before you are scum of the earth satanic pedophiles".....would be a great speech. Lol
▼ Jem777
Be patient everyone. They have to play the long game. This seems to be the most difficult challenge ever. If you have moral clarity about why you are choosing to help then do all you can to be a citizen journalist. The rewards of helping others will make this worthwhile.
▼ AlternativeFacts
My guess it screeching and whining ....
▼ Cigarette5mokingman
Maybe we can get everyone who signed, to screenshot the confirmation email and we can then prove to some extent how many signatures were added.
▼ ansipizza
I was about #49 or so to sign. I did receive the confirmation email and will happily post it somewhere if it helps.
▼ Cigarette5mokingman
"And no, it is not possible that the signature count has only increased by 45 in the past 3 days"
While I tend to agree with you, why is it just not possible? Citation? Proof? And yes I read the other thread. I just can't stand when people make stupid statements like that without anything to back it up.
▼ delivery1
This can be a VERY EFFECTIVE way to spread knowledge about the child abuse scandal and its censorship by the establishment.
For example, make an image about the White House petition, write shortly about how HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE have SHARED the link to the petition, yet the petition has LESS THAN 50 SIGNATURES, even though it has been online for almost a WEEK and it's being backed by highly ACTIVE COMMUNITIES. Always use images, they are much more effective than plain text.
Sometimes the act of censorship is more convincing evidence of wrongdoing than the wrongdoing itself.
Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Reddit etc. Please share.
Always turn the blatant tactics of the opposition into an advantage by pointing the obvious thing to the public.
▼ JesusOfNazareth
Wikileaks tweeted a news report. That's different than a petition which demonstrates the level of interest.
Contact the celebrities from The Apprentice and make them publicly call Trump to investigate pizzagate.
▼ IDeliverPizza
Just have everyone post screen shots to some site
▼ JesusOfNazareth
Start a petition site somewhere else, like here or on wikileaks, and have people sign that.
▼ SayWhatNOWAY
The WH's hands are tied right now. You will be better off waiting until Sessions gets approved and you will see things will move fast. Hang in there we are behind you!
▼ DontTreadOnMemes
YES! Exactly this. We need Sessions to be confirmed and sworn in as our new Attorney General before anything can be done about this.
▼ abcdefg222
I agree. This is super messed up. Everyone in this community and other pizzagate communities know there are more signatures than that but I don't know who would cover it. I think it would be really easy to prove just by having more ppl sign up, tracking numbers, and tracking the White House responses to phone calls. There's a person with a friend on Ben swanns staff, right? Can you see if they'd touch this?
▼ Orange_Circle
Wait until Sessions is AG.
▼ phlux
Can someone ELI5 what we expect sessions to do and why we think he will?
▼ Orange_Circle
Just more safety in general.
▼ logjam
We have to wait for it. It's coming. It's been going on for a long long time - it's not going to stop over night.
It has to happen - and it will.
▼ SaneGoatiSwear
a fourth branch of gov't in the us.
turn wethepeople into a direct democracy referendum system.
so the people have a way to meaningfully participate that they are responsible for fucking up.
not to bypass the other three branches,
checks and balances need be established. pathways for the people to come to consensus and make law.