ALDO_NOVA

good point, Joans death was unexpected this I know

I have also gone as far as downloading the birth cert pdf and looked at the layers - all a forgery

should be interesting when / if this is all exposed

ALDO_NOVA

thank you - I had been suspicious of MO for a long time but didnt know about the body/hand porportion test proved it

ALDO_NOVA

no I have not, please enlighten!

ALDO_NOVA

I was also a Bernie supporter, and glad to hear you know this about B.O. :)

MolochHunter

yea I have distant ancestor who was a Saxon, the ludicrous progressive went and married a Jute! Well, his other viking mates said he might as well lop the horns off his helmet...

seriously, is our shared humanity so thin that this is an issue?

bopper

What dinners? (And her ex white guy hubbie married a black girl. They wear their spouses on their sleeves.) Charming.

carmencita

I agree, but Bernie is probably working with what he has. It is our job to push push push and to let the crooked Dems know that we will no longer support them. We have those idiot Dems that are still supporting them because Rah Rah Rah! they are Dems and we have always voted for them and we can't admit we have been voting for idiots. Starting anew is my best bet but who is going to do that? Yeah, I am not nuts about Ellison either after he sat up there with all of the candidates for the seat of the DNC and never said a peep about Hillary bamboozling Bernie. He sucked a lot of Progressives in to get campaign donations.

MolochHunter

in Indigenous australia the social system was of a model more collectivist than personal-possession entitlement. Theirs was a system more of co-operation than of competition. These traits equate more to communism than capitalism. Their civilization continues (albeit damaged) 60 000 years on. They made bread 30000 years ago (twice as long ago as the egyptians) and their tribal intermarriage system and corrobboree sharing of excess capital practices resulted in 300 nations having the most minimal of warfare vis-a-vi other civilizations. Their value of caring for the environment made them a sustainable society not prone to exploitationism (from which resource wars spring)

So are you saying Aboriginal Australians are satanic? Coz I wonder what kind of God would disallow this kind of people from Heaven.

bopper

These Aborigines sound like they had a meritocracy. That's good.

MolochHunter

they had stone houses 7000 BC, and widespread agricultural practices and food preservation thousands of years before other parts of the planet. Social status came from adherence to the Law, and the Law was to leave the Country in as good health to your descendents as you received it from your ancestors. They never gravitated to the iron age, but did not need to to live in comfort and surplus. Their technology level was no indication of their complexity, and it was common for an Aboriginal to speak over five languages

bopper

That's neat. I know more about the Maori (which is next to nothing!), as I have family in New Zealand.

crazimal

Smoak moar dood!

...not.

Orange_Circle

Why is the Left listening to the guy with some much anal leakage he buys Kotex by the case?

Yuke

I've just spent quite a while reading that whole thing for myself. Sheesh! Considering one of the phrases the extremist-left is throwing around is "Love Trump's hate" that memo sure reads like one giant hate piece. You can practically smell the seething anger coming off it. I think someone needs to rewind the clock and figure out exactly how the left and the right became so far left and so far right. The distance between the two is probably further than it's ever been yet paradoxically, both are showing the same types of extremist behaviour. It's pretty sad really. I also got the vibe that they were setting things up for another Hillary run for 2020. Let's hope she's in jail where she belongs before that possibility can occur.

MolochHunter

I could give you a one-word reply that explains a lot of it: Soros

bopper

I indeed did think part of being 'progressive' was cultural Marxism. Color me confused.

Don-Keyhote

How do you like the Gabbard threads here, it's a neat rabbit hole

MolochHunter

That's the trick. Just hang onto your Humanist identity - no one can ethically de-legitimise Humanism. Progressive, liberal, Leftist, PC - their meaning and intention can all be distorted from their Humanist roots, thus they are dispensable

We need clear thinking Humanists now more than ever, because while the Right deserves its day in the sun at this moment in history, in the times to come their uglier instincts will start to show and grow.

And whaddya know, a Texas mosque just got burnt to the ground in the wake of Trumps migration ban

Freemasonsrus

This just makes me laugh. Brock trying desperately to stay out of prison. Good luck w that!

Orange_Circle

Democrats would be wise to keep their distance from Brock and Mary Pat Bronner.

Freemasonsrus

This is what it looks like when lights are turned on in a cockroach infested basement.

doubletake

right. next: congress

ThePuppetShow

I'm not looking to attack him, it all just seemed way to convenient to me. If he's in bed with all the corruption, why is it so wrong to believe he would be accepting money from them?

Sandy008

Lol! She is awful, as are the other phonies on MSNBC. I now avoid corporate media like the plague that it is.

Sandy008

Exactly! I am trying to distance myself from the word liberal, which drips with corruption and phoniness. If they turn the word progressive into another vile marketing scam, like David Brock is doing, then I won't use it anymore. I so agree with you that compassion and honesty are what we are looking for.

MolochHunter

This is how the Left reorganises: It has to throw out political correctness, and go back to being 'critically thinking humanists'. That is, to hold ALL humanist aspirations in consideration of an issue, instead of cherry picking certain humanist aspirations (racism, sexism, homophobia) and pursuing those with a zealotry so they cant see the humanist woods for the politically correct trees. The economic restoration of americas middle class has good humanist outcomes. The fostering of emotional resilience is as important a humanist aspiration as physical health. The sexual security of children is better supported through maintenance of traditional family units - PC people dont recognise these particular humanist goals or outcomes as they are not on the PC radar - and thats why they are losing credibility.

You will well notice PC people have no comeback when you present any argument of their foolishness in critically thinking humanist terminology - if you use the language of the Right they will just shut down the conversation as sexist/racist etc

bopper

Urban dictionary is rather brutal in its definition of 'progressive.'

ThePuppetShow

I don't know about that, the $600,000 beach house was bought 3 weeks after endorsing Clinton and I believe he still owns two other homes. This was supposed to be a guy "from the working class", with nothing, before politics.

privatepizza

Brock desperate to drum up some CTR business it seems! Rightly so, for all his millions of budget he still managed to LOSE the narrative and the zeitgeist. sure feels good

ThePuppetShow

Plus, that mansion was a nice perk.

ThePuppetShow

You're an American. They use these "titles" to divide us. Clinton and Obama are globalists, so are the Bush family. They want a one world order, a global government. They literally want to rule the world. This is what they consider "progressivism".

bopper

That's better, don't know why people don't research it more. "Illusion of choice." Sans Trump.

Don-Keyhote

Your opinion on the matter doesnt mean shit. Two of the most well-respected firms were independently contracted and they have put their reputation the on the line to antagonize a lame-duck? Did you like the Podesta emails where they admit to duping people like you with identity politics and lament having used the liberal media to keep the population dumb since it may result in Trumps election? You'd love free mandatory BernieCare from age 1.5 or some real progressive early sex education, eh.

Sandy008

Of course I was horrified by those Podesta emails.That's why I am here. I don't think it's necessary to insult each other for differing views. I believe what's important here is to stick to the investigation of these criminals, which is nonpartisan. There are pedophiles in both parties, and they must be rooted out and brought to justice.

Don-Keyhote

Gtfo this board. Someone whose worldview is okay with a hugely intrusive govt is not welcome by definition.

carmencita

Many Democrats are quietly telling him to shut up. They realize that people are understanding what a crazy opportunist he really is. Go away Brock we are sick of you and you are finished.

bopper

The guy who danced on Comet Ping Pong tables to Queen, in a drunken (or cocaine-filled) stupor while his colleagues mocked him is gonna "silence us." He and JA are worthless now to any kingmakers or kingmaker wannabes. Expendable, not even useful idiots.

Sandy008

Just for the record, as a progressive, I totally disavow David Brock and his propagandist, lying, thieving, grotesque band of thugs and pedophiles. The "progressive" movement has nothing to do with him, though he is clearly trying to co-opt the word. He is a menace to all that is good about humanity! There are millions like me, who want this vile creature to disappear down the sewer whence he came.

SIMONBARROW

I used to be a 'progressive' until I realised that I'd been conned. What I'd been taught to believe were positive ideas were actually extremely sinister. for example, 'human rights.' Human rights sound great until you realise that the real reason politicians talk about them is to sound noble while bombing the s**t out of the Middle East.

9217

I am the same way, voted Bernie and was a #neverHillary type... ugh fuck Brock and ctr

MolochHunter

thats great sandy008, but you sure got a job ahead of you informing millions of other progressives that they are unwitting footsoldiers for the paedostocracy

doubletake

as are waves of conservatives. brock played both sides. get over this right-left thing or none of this will fly when it counts.

bopper

What exactly is a 'progressive' nowadays?

bopper

Which tolerant 'progressive' downvoted me for seeking an honest answer? It's confusing. My sister-in-law thinks she's a progressive because she married a black guy.

Sandy008

Mostly about getting corporate money out of politics.

SturdyGal

LOL I gave you an upvoat but I think we are two WikiLeaks batches away from finding out what the Republicans are keeping in their Victoria's Secret closet.

bopper

Agreed for sure.

bopper

Thanks, I'm sure that's one aspect. I'm not sure if 'progressives' even know what 'progressive' is.

MolochHunter

progressive is advancing the causes and liberties of the disadvantaged and marginalised. Which is noble in origin, but at what point does liberty become depravity, and at what point does the Western Civilization baby get thrown out with the regressive bathwater

Don-Keyhote

Please. Who Really Gives or whAtever is an entire book documenting how conservatives give vastly more of their personal time nd money to disadvantAged people. Like say set up a college fund for black students to succeed at nonelite universities whereas the state prefers they fail at newly diverse elite ones. Go fuck yourself.

bopper

Good honest answer thanks.

"Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom." - Alexis de Tocqueville

Pizzainmyass

I'm sure they're usually referring to being socially progressive or something

bopper

Still begs the question but whatever.

Sandy008

I would say that the other most important issue is having a strong social safety net, as in strengthening Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. Trump promised to do that too, so we'll see.

Don-Keyhote

You're not nearly ashamed enough if you still find yourself on that side. Your belief in the power of the state is what makes abuse possible. How anyone can defend the Obama or Clinton administrations is just baffling

MolochHunter

you're shooting from the hip. you can be a small government progressive. You havent stopped to figure out what sandy008 means by progressive

And at the end of the day, both left and right have uglier instincts we both need reminding of. Right-Hitler Left-Stalin

Neither Left nor Right will eternally have the moral ascendancy, and over decades those who were once in the right will slowly then suddenly be in the wrong. And that will be no different for the current resurgence of the Right. Enjoy your moment in the sun, but in the years to come, remember to guard against your own excesses

doubletake

in the middle, we have those inalienable rights. the extremes are both tyrannies run by the 1%. the founders knew the game.

Sharipie

Actually Hitler was a National Socialist which was nicknamed Nazi. Which BTW is also on the Left. The Left really is much much "uglier" than the right. I do understand that average people on the Left are often well meaning, But they're also naive and don't realize they're being used. I have no use for either the GOP or DEM parties.

MolochHunter

you want a mass murdering leftie, stalin is the better candidate. While nazi initially stood for national socialist, true, hitler corrupted it and with prescott bush's big money men had a distinct right-wing flavour come 1940

Sharipie

The Left just can't accept that Hitler is much closer to them than he is to anyone on the right. We on the right just want to restore individual freedoms.

MolochHunter

I think Podesta is closer to Caligula than Hitler. But as he isn't ever gonna be Secretary of State, I guess we'll never know!

Don-Keyhote

It's really gross to watch adults worm their way into moral coherence

MolochHunter

and its an ugly trait to presume the opposition never has merit to their argument, or that the side you identify with could never err on the side of excessiveness

Don-Keyhote

Your examples of an excess of freedom are straw men. Budget cuts coming from firefighters etc

bopper

I don't think the 'right' is enjoying its moment in the sun, it's the American people right? Who needs parties. It's just divide and conquer. Both have been warmongers, both are scared of the banksters.

“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.” (Georgetown University Professor Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, 1966.)

MolochHunter

If you mean that there is only one war: the class war, and that all other conflicts are diversions from that then i totally agree with you. That said, there are dualities in life that persist: individuality vs common good, co-operation vs competition, etc, and these will find their form in movements subject to growth and entropy

bopper

Yes.

If you mean that there is only one war: the class war, and that all other conflicts are diversions from that then i totally agree with you.

The second part of your statement yes also, this is what Calvin called original sin, total depravity. I'm a puritan extremist :)

Sandy008

So how do you explain Dennis Hastert, or other Republicans who are child molesters and get away with it for years?

Sharipie

Your "Republicans BAD" brainwashing has been successful. This argument you make is irrelevant. Turn away from big government of any stripe and start thinking clearly for yourself. You'll feel so much more powerful than the power you feel because you think you're with the good guys. The UNiparty has no good guys.

bopper

Yes. Took me a while but I did eventually catch on. Parasites and host.

Don-Keyhote

Do they argue for bigger gov't? If not your red herring is pathetic

bopper

They all suck.

SturdyGal

You forgot the Bush administration. Please be nice to ambassadors from LiberalLand. Shaming them is no way to show that the fascist state is a no go. It is kind of fascist, psychologically.

Sandy008

Like many, I voted for Obama and wound up very disappointed. I have never, ever been a supporter of HRC, and was so relieved when she lost - not that Trump won, but that such a corrupt, access selling warmonger as Hillary Clinton did not make it to the world's highest office. I was, and am, a supporter of Bernie Sanders.

WellSetTable

Bernie sold out. He started with that White people are privileged crap. The day he said that is the I passed a group of white homeless vets on the high way. I'm sick of that crap. Plus look at places like West Virginia coal mine towns.

Plus he let disgusting whores scream him off the stage.

What kind of leader is that?

Not one I would vote for.

MyUSA2017

I did not vote for Obama in 2008 or in 2012; however, I share your disappointment.

draegspir

Obama and his crew bamboozled everyone.

carmencita

We are twins. Exactly my feeling and that of many I know. I do not like what we ended up with but we had two of the worst candidates in history running against each other. Everyone knows that if the Democrats had run a fair election, and ran Bernie we would have him as President now. I am hoping Trump will drain the swamp, but in the process many will also lose their insurance, and Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid will be drastically cut. Why must some suffer in order to protect our children? We should all be protected. This country is doing some very shameful things.

Sandy008

Agree with you! Also, the left fell asleep under Obama, as he droned innocent people, built up the nuclear arsenal, tried, in an attempt at a so-called "grand bargain," to decrease Medicare and Social Security, and many, many other awful things, including perhaps condoning pedophilia, "hot dogs and pizza from Chicago" . He was not at all who he presented himself to be - there was a slick marketing campaign to portray him as the agent of hope and change, but he was really the agent of the corrupt Establishment.

carmencita

I voted for him the second time because yes, they gave us no choice again. But we went to go door to door in the cold weather all day and I had so many old ladies with canes beg me to let BO know they needed their Soc. Sec. I promised them over and over that he would never cut their Soc. Sec. Low and behold, the schmuck turned his back on them. I cannot tell you how long I saw those old ladies at night when I went to bed, sometimes bringing me to tears. I will never forget that as long as I live. I have heard him called the Manchurian Candidate.

shoosh

Many people believed the broadcasting media was providing accurate information and bought into propaganda lies, which cover their real agenda.

Now many are woke on all sides to the lying media... which I'm now using to show that these politicians cannot be trusted to deliver truth from any side of the Isle. The left claim they're duped for the same reasons as the right (and any variation in between.)

Left and right have more in common now in this regard, so by pointing out sameness maybe we can join and expose the corrupt global system. Pzgate seems to provide a jumping off point.

bopper

I thought Bernie betrayed everyone by supporting Hillary?

ALDO_NOVA

you could see the pain on his face that day - it was obvious he was going against his will

carmencita

If you have read about Arkencide then you know what the Clintons and her minions are capable of. Bernie did not support her of his own free will. Figure it out. All of my Progressive Friends and Activists know.

bopper

What's a progressive?

gr8H8er

Someone in favor of social reform, away from the Founders' model of a constitutional republic. They parade as liberals when their policies are in actuality those of socialists. (This of course looks great on paper but actuality is is the stepping stone of communism.) Sanders supporters dreamily explained that "true" or "real" socialism is viable in the form of 'Democratic Socialism' while readily admitting 'National Socialism' (Nazism) was a disaster.

bopper

Right. They seem to forget we're about 12 trillion or more in the hole. Democratic Socialism, funny that.

carmencita

A Progressive believes in taking care of everyone not just themselves. We are students of FDR, Social Security and Medicare. Remember they are entitlements because we are entitled to them. They are just like other insurance policies. That is what they are Insurance Policies. We paid into them our entire lives and we now are legally entitled to reap the benefits. Our Republicans (and some Dino Dems) have been trying to brainwash us into believing they must be cut or privatized. That will only create more profits for their rich contributors and themselves. We are all God's creatures and that is why I believe as a Progressive we must take care of the less fortunate. Others can add to my thoughts.

concernedaboutitall

I was under the impression that being progressive meant one believed the Constitution require to evolve or progress to meet the times... Is this untrue?

carmencita

Yes it does mean to progress but it depends what we are talking about. Just because the years march on does not mean we progress in all things. What one person calls progression depends on the subject at hand. We would not want to make laws for the progression of pedophilia just because we are more liberally minded. We should progress and evolve when it comes to providing better education for all children, better care of our environment for our country, better care for our young and old. To progress and provide when we have not.

bopper

I think that's kinda why Trump was elected, to bring back jobs etc.and the money it would take to do these things.

carmencita

I hope to God you are right. I don't see this happening. The de-regulations will only make the rich richer and the poor and middle class poorer. The statistics for the coming future will make at least 10% poorer. I hope he drains the swamp of pedophiles, but if by swamp, some people mean people that do not look like them or not heterosexual, then I think they will not be disappointed. I predict he and the Republicans will push hard to drastically cut Soc. Sec., Medicare and Medicaid. I believed in BO too. Keep your mind and ears open. Peace To You.

Don-Keyhote

What do you make of obamas birth certificate being declared a blatant forgery? Don't you feel he was installed by manipulating "progressives" who get sick pleasure voting for a black guy for its own sake?

The interesting part is that blumenthal/ HRC knew and used it in 08.

cantsleepawink

Yes, this is a cancer that we all, regardless of politics, have to root out and consign to the backwaters of history.

SaneGoatiSwear

you cannot silence an idea, you stupid kid fucking nigger faggot brock.

fartnigger

Correction: you cannot silence the truth

SaneGoatiSwear

thanks, near-no-use account.

i really appreciate that meaningful input.

i hope you

voat more.