After trashing flat earth, David Seaman pitches two major psy-ops ( pizzagate )

submitted by psmith85

A few days ago David Seaman went on a well-deserved tirade against the flat earth disinfo campaign. But a mere day and a half later he is spouting BS about the Mandela Effect, which is just the latest disinfo campaign to be initiated now that flat earth is fading somewhat. Another major psy-op being carried out in force by the establishment media in recent months/years is that we are living in a simulation. One of the major proponents of this has been Elon Musk, who Seaman trashed a few weeks ago due to his many paypal holds/blocks; now Seaman is praising him as 'very smart, one of the smartest people on the planet.'

This is tied into the Mandela psyop since both are alleging that reality is being manipulating after the fact and in real time, when you can prove this is all nothing more than a steaming pile of crap by digging up an old VHS tape, newspaper, children's book etc. and seeing for yourself there was indeed no manipulation and that people are just remembering wrong due to common mental quirks/reacting intuitively against something that was or has been counterintuitive.

archons

Really odd that the mods allow this thread to stay up and delete other more relevant threads. Seaman said he is done with pizzagate. There is no reason to leave this up other than to try to discredit Seaman which would lead people to think all his past videos were conspiracy related like this.

SIMONBARROW

'flat earth disinfo campaign' my foot.

Flat earth is not a psyop. The earth is flat.

2impendingdoom

That is in direct opposition of your previous statements, so enjoy your cognitive dissonance, everybody here can think for themselves.

2impendingdoom

How long did it take you to find my post that exposes shill tactics the mods decided to keep despite for its meta value. you base everything on voats and nothing on content, you think everyone is a shill, but you can't use critical thinking. you are one dimensional dispenser of nonsense. shill shill shill. Oh, I'm so hurt. bahaahaa. I think think there are a bunch of new people you can add to your dumb list, scurry along now

diamonddust

Musk is a spook.

SayWhatNOWAY

As with Wikileaks I do not think Assange or Seaman is tweeting those tweets out!

Fatsack

WHY the FUCK are we talking about David Seaman so much. IF he is a DISINFO agent you are only helping him achieve his goal by talking about him rather than focusing on the INVESTIGATION. REMEMBER there are kids suffering at the hands of evil RIGHT FUCKING NOW. FOCUS people, come on.

psmith85

Agreed, but I still think it was worth posting about

Fateswebb

I'm not saying I buy into the Mandela effect at all, but you seem to get the idea wrong. If they did indeed go back and patch over the digital world then your old VHS tape got patched as well, so what would happen is you would go back and see the change. But clearly this is explainable to a more logical reason than saying there was a patch to the digital world. Like unfortunately memories can be incorrect, and even on a mass scale. There are logical reason for each.

2impendingdoom

I don't understand? Do you think I use multiple accounts simply because you falsely decided that I am shill? You aren't important enough for me to do that.

2impendingdoom

We need more eyeballs determining what is real and what is disinfo.

so calling the people who do that Shill is very effective. Your special shill list includes nearly of the most valuable investigators here.

Satanicsuperbowl

Been telling people for a while the mandela effect isnt real, they just want more control over the reading/writing of our thoughts. Berenstein bears is all about grooming the population into complacency if you check out the books.

Chimerarose

He is newly red- pilled which can be confusing for some people in the beginning. You have to learn how to find correct info in a world full of disinfo. It's not easy. So either he is either just really confused and in that baby red-pill stage or he is disinfo. I think he is genuine for the most part. Just maybe a bit naive about things because his filters are not working properly.

rail606

I think you hit the nail on the head here. There is so much red pill past pizzagate that well once you run out of pizzagate material you will start looking at all the rest of the esoteric world. Pizzagate was like the start of the fire for me. Now its a roaring flame. I still deeply care about pizzagate but its just not the whole picture. In fact just imagining they are all pedos for sexual desires is actually not the whole picture. There is something much more sinister behind the ritual abuse.

strix-varia

Yes, well said. I understand the newly red-pilled confusion as I am one. I must look at all of the theories that are being shown to me. All of the them, so I can make my own decision. Looking at them is causing confusion because it's so astounding to me that I have been duped for so long. I am grateful to see the world in a different light than a mere few months ago, even though it's disturbing.

SturdyGal

This is really a good point. Frankly, I was annoyed with Seaman for always selling the Bitcoin and gold, and always protesting his credentials as a real journalist, and not taking the opportunity of his newfound audience to present new pizza gate developments. But maybe you are right, a baby red pilled reporter would constantly assert their credentials. I would like to believe the best of him.

unbiased_researcher

The fact that seaman took donations is disgusting. Guy acts like he knows everything, but he's really not smart at all. He's probably pitching for a job with Alex Jones or something. Or he wants his own conspiracy media. He's an idiot in my book. The real heroes are the investigative journalists who put their life on the line to uncover the truth.

unbiased_researcher

He is openly taunting podesta and others. That's a clear sign he is under the guise of someone else. A simple phone call and seaman is dead. If they are all going down, I'm sure they won't mind taking him with them. That tells me David is protected and being told to taunt them.

SturdyGal

I really don't think it is disgusting for a journalist to take donations if that is their livelihood and they do a good job. Because they are the visible face of a research movement, they are targeted by a lot of nut cases.

witch_doctor1

He didn't take "donations"...he is self-financing his journalism through Patreon. Which means individual consumers are willing to pay to see his content. David did put a lot on the line and suffered financially to report on pizzagate. Self-financing was necessary because he was fired from his HuffPo job for actually doing journalism.

V____Z

Yet Voat gives Alex jones a free pass. Got it.

Xpol

The muddying the waters tactic is outdated.

People have the ability to easily access information from various sources , contradicting sources, and make their own decisions.

The flat earth and Mandela effect were both out before pizzagate.

Here is your problem. You are elevating Seaman to an authority figure. He is a person doing his own research and putting out his own views. Like so many of us here.

People who instantly discredit someone because they don't agree with 100% of their ideas raise suspicion in my own mind. Either because it is them who are disinfo agents themselves, or it is them who don't have the mental ability to use their own decernment and as such why should I listen to them?

Do not trust anything anyone says, do your own research. Take the facts people give you, not the conclusions.

This is the problem with the msm. People starting trusting them for the conclusions, not just reporting the news. They overstepped their bounds, and we let them.

We cannot allow that to be the same with the alternative.

If you elevate alternative media to the previous position of the msm we will be right back where we started, and that is more dangerous than flat earth or Mandela.

DeathToMasons

Well said. And it is obvious that there is a movement to find any crack to exploit and turn people against Seaman. I'm not feeling the arguments. Remember, there was originally a post that lied and said he advocated Flat Earth. Now they are admitting that he spoke of it but denounced it. These tactics will never work. By the way OP, FU for doing damage control for a pedo ring. You are grotesque.

IPleadThe2nd

VERY well said!

blind_sypher

Hes just covering topics other then pizzagate because honestly it gets stale after a while. Hes not obligated to be strictly about it and I think hes just talking about other things that interest him.

psmith85

It's not that simple. You are underestimating the breadth and level of organization of the disinfosphere. The large majority of the bigger conspiracy-related channels are controlled cointel channels. TV media started going the way of the dinosaur long ago and a vast amount of resources has moved into Youtube. I don't accuse Seaman of being an agent, I'm saying he's discrediting himself and raising suspicion by doing what he's doing since he is aligning himself with two obvious, establishment-manufactured psy-ops. These are very specific, pre-planned operations and not just musing of many different uncontrolled people.

witch_doctor1

**People who instantly discredit someone because they don't agree with 100% of their ideas raise suspicion in my own mind. Either because it is them who are disinfo agents themselves, or it is them who don't have the mental ability to use their own decernment and as such why should I listen to them?

Do not trust anything anyone says, do your own research. Take the facts people give you, not the conclusions. **

Agreed...What I like about Seaman is that he is self-financing his journalism via Patreon after getting fired by HuffPo for actually doing journalism. This is what a free and independent press should look like....and I think we are in the infancy of individual consumers financing the content they want to watch because the networks suck.

logjam

How is it that he went back to twitter? I was surprised when saw that. Contrast that to Milo.

witch_doctor1

I just don't understand the whole mandela effect and flat earth conspiracy things....nobody benefits from them...meaning that with most conspiracies there is a follow-the-money trail or influence/power to be gained by one side or the other. There's just no point to either of these...it's like watching my Airedale chase his tail for an hour every time I groom him.

EDIT: David trashed the flat earth theory and the comments by flat earthers in the video stream were crazy, even by pizzagate standards (JK)....and it sounds like he is exploring the Mandela effect. I have a theory on this...my girlfriend is all about the Mandela effect and also claims to have feelings of deja vu occasionally....she also has post-concussion syndrome from a serious car accident several years ago. I looked around on PubMed and found articles linking the feeling of deja vu to impaired memory, prior head trauma and anxiety...so there is my theory on the Mandela Effect...and Seaman has anxiety I think?

psmith85

A) makes truthers look crazy to outsiders and thereby discredits valid theories those truthers espouse like 9/11 conspiracy B) gets truthers to believe any manufactured conspiracy that enough cointel channels get behind C) and in a related way, stretches the credulity of truthers to where they can be seduced into believing anything.

islandofdelight

Psy-ops are meant to divide the truth community... David is against flat-earth. Mandela effect has much more legitimacy in my opinion. There are many examples and many people seem to identify with it from different perspectives. Contemplating the possibility doesn't deserve the ridicule... Flat earth has been around for a while and is demonstrably false.

witch_doctor1

Check my edit...my working theory is that people who believe in the Mandela Effect may have suffered prior head trauma, or have memory disorders or suffer from anxiety. All of these things have been linked with the feeling of deja vu in the medical literature. David had some kind of health issue, but TBH I forgot what it was. I'm pretty sure he talked w/Rogan about it.

Mrs_Ogynist01

I saw this on twitter & it makes me sad. I've been back & forth on him. This is just ridiculous.

redditsuckz

Anything David Seaman is against MUST be true...so I guess Flat Earth in a simulation ARE true?

What the planet Venus REALLY looks like?...;

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Jp1TxJhHpZQ/maxresdefault.jpg

Flat Earth - The real Venus above the flat plane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp1TxJhHpZQ

We have been lied to about our whole Solar System?

kekistocrat

This is real world confirmation that TPTB must keep up with us and not the other way around. Their attempt at staying one step ahead...

islandofdelight

David does not pitch psy-ops... I think a lot of people are having their world views threatened by what he says. GOOD.

psmith85

they are psy-ops meant to muddy the waters and cast doubt on the knowable, valid evidence around conspiracies such as 9/11 (and pizzagate)

islandofdelight

Psy-ops because it's a strange new idea? I'm sympathetic to where you're coming from, but there is more to this than meets the eye.

I agree that because David is associated with PG, that the doubters will use this against us, but some of us understand that he has moved onto other consciousness expanding topics, because PG is being taken care of. The arrests will happen, rest assured... Let's take a hint from David, and at least question that there is more to our reality than how it's been presented.

psmith85

No, psy-ops because they serve a sinister purpose and because there are hundreds of paid cointel channels on YouTube and elsewhere who simultaneously began to promote them recently. it's clear it's an organized campaign (whether or not Seaman is part of it), not just casual musing that all happens to be on the same topic. Anyone who thinks the latter needs his head checked.

juhos

I dont think David is a shill. Maybe just smokes too much weed.

Mandela effect is an interesting phenomenon in human brain and memory, nothing more.

psmith85

OK, but it is 'terrifying half the planet'? No. Is saying that it is disinfo? Yes.

IAmJohnBarron

and regardless, why the fuck is it relevant to PG, I understand that Seaman doesn't have to evolve his life around PG, but why would you start posting vids on these topics after you've gained a following strictly from PG, and before justice has even been seen for that matter. Just seems like a weird ass 180

Millennial_Falcon

It is relevant because Seaman set himself up as a major advocate for pizzagate, then started spouting tinfoil, which discredits pizzagate by association. If we don't see pizzagate arrests soon, we can safely assume the claims that an investigation is happening were just a tactic to get people to quit investigating. We will see. Whether or not arrests happen soon will be a major indicator of whether Seaman is a shill or just someone who lacks critical thinking.

grlldcheese

This is reasonable and an excellent explanation. Somethings up, dude.

I've seen multiple shit tier posts get deleted only to have the same shit tier shills spout old but verifiable leads and paint you as the problem.

Feels like the old srs brigades. As per the many habbening stories from alt news, who the hell knows what's happening. But it feels suspicious.

jangles

Why did you delete this? https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1620516

Millennial_Falcon

read Rule 1.

PizzaGate711

'WARNING', SHILL. EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT...EXCEPT THE NEW COMERS.

PGTAway818949

12 days old account

ObviousChild

Lol!

PizzaGate711

WARNING FOR ALL NEW TO VOAT - ARMYSEER IS A SHILL

ObviousChild

Ugh I just saw that Mandela effect vid! I cringed. Go give the video a thumbs down people, let him know how you feel. https://youtu.be/GEcz380ysV8

PizzaGate711

Sometimes a child will cringe. It's obvious!!!!