Is Wikileaks Threatening to Release 9/11 Files Unless The FBI Carries Through With Pizzagate Arrests ( pizzagate )

submitted by party1981

There has been a LOT of movement this weekend, which is summarized here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5savsy/breaking_report_pizzagate_pedo_crackdown_may_be/

This includes the return of FBIanon. And, having read the new (brief) FBIanon transcript, it sounds like the same FBI guys (Saudi/Israeli involvement, giant corruption through the federal government, etc.).

Well, all of a sudden, Wikileaks has tweeted out three (arguably four) cryptic tweets about "#vault7":

http://i.magaimg.net/img/1k5.png

Many people believe that these tweets relate to 9/11. For example, the third tweet says "When is #Vault7?" It shows a picture of a Whitney F119-PW-100 engine. Wikileaks also tweeted a video with an image of the 9/11 WTC crash and the text "friendly fire."

People are trying to decode these tweets over at r/conspiracy . But I believe that I have the best key to decoding them:

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/01/nyregion/a-nation-challenged-the-vault-below-ground-zero-silver-and-gold.html

Notice that the second "#vault7" tweet is about Nazi gold.

Among the many varieties of 9/11 conspiracy theories (which I became very informed in after #pizzagate and FBIanon in October), most of them observe that WTC6 (and WTC7?) had underground vaults with valuables that were raided.

Now, if we're on the right track here, it raises fascinating questions. Has WL turned into a conspiracy theory website? Why is WL sending out cryptic tweets? If they have the documents, why not just drop them?

Here's my theory: all of the #pizzagate activity, and the WL #vault7 tweets, are connected. FBIanon said that they hope and expect the arrests this week, but they are not guaranteed. FBIanon said that there is enormous pushback for them not to make arrests. Well, how can the FBI (and the good guys) push back?

Threaten to expose that 9/11 was an obvious false flag operation conducted by Mossad with the permission and knowledge of the neoconservatives in power during the Bush/Cheney administration, to essentially hijack the U.S. military for wars in the Middle East.

WL doesn't want to just drop the documents, because it would be hugely destabalizing, and could lead to war, even World War 3. That's what FBIanon said too. And this makes sense, because Israel is a nuclear power that reserves the right to the Sampson Option (nuclear bomb for Israeli self defense: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Samson_Option:_Israel%27s_Nuclear_Arsenal_and_American_Foreign_Policy) ).

samhara

The seed vault may be an oblique reference to the Pirate Server area in Norway, which is deep underground below rock and which contains the servers of Wilileaks and of Assange.

Vault7? no idea.. "Bld 7" World Trade Complex is also known under the name of the British Bank "Salomon Bros. Building" in London. The building was completely rented to the U.S. government offices. Silverstein had just taken the lease a few weeks before the event. And Giuliani had built a Security Bunker there, for his office - but against rational logic and many critics, he built it on an upper floor, not in a basement.. Speculation has been: That very bunker was the control station for the operation. Giuliani was said to have been told to get out of there, by his own admission told that the Towers were coming down, before the Towers disintegrated - which implies, at the very least, that he got himself out but did not warn others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n7uJnKGTGg WeAreChange Confronts Giuliani on 9/11 Collapse Lies

Look at Giuliani with his Joker Grin!

As far as " a picture of an airplane engine '

It refers to 9/11 - Why ?

Firstly because they planted the plane parts - including the alleged jet engine; which did not match the brand of engine which would've been on the "craft," said to have hit there.

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/why/whypics/73_230806wtc7.jpg

YES, SIR. THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE PLANE ENGINE OF THE KAMIKAZE ATTACK "PLANE!"

From: http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/why/why_indeed.html Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Disintegrate?

Here you can see the cleanly cut, alleged landing-wheel supposedly off the same allegedly crashed airliner.

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/why/whypics/72_131043184_332cfad5ae_o.jpg

I want you to look at that image again and notice the FASCIA pole laid neatly along the gutter next to the cleanly-severed landing-wheel

That is their little "calling card" - They love to mock. They love the jokes.

I investigated that fascia - style light pole.

There was no such light pole anywhere near that area of Manhattan. It was not from that street. They want you to assume and believe that the engine flew down and knocked over that light pole.

They may have had some sort of light pole like that one next to the Mayor's Park i.e. "City Hall Park" sometime in the past. And it was saved. But that was years ago and those with that style weren't even there, at the City Hall Park anymore, at the time. City Hall Park, in any case, is way up the hill from there.

What we have is a "When Pigs Fly" narrative. explained in this well - done essay on "Roger Rabbit Moments" Battling the Matrix and Freeing Oneself from the Roger Rabbit Mental World - https://archive.is/lnhA6#selection-651.0-651.74 -

The "plane" and the plane engine, of course, are the best evidence for the massive and "sinister magic trick of 9/11." Historical Development Leading Up To 9/11 As A Hoax http://www.septemberclues.info/historical.shtml

Here you can see papers, saved from some kind of government office or private think - tank? They are working out the plan? http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/

I guess some people want to say it was a hardened missile which hit it? Certainly something hit it , or skimmed the side[?], to make the "Plane-shaped Hole"

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT5OGTf_euoH5QtvwG-Q0yMcRBcuHLVGPMeGGzB3ejh-f0i-JBfiA

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSQ6uHnfiQ7GLlxSOEcu12I-AwIPAvP6Dkb2HdVLBCv8o8k7IigrA

https://www.cwporter.com/wtcnorth767hole.jpg

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c06231889e81.jpg

http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/left-side-dents1.jpg

But in any case, a commercial jet or any aircraft, will not penetrate and then disappear inside a building [let alone achieve the alleged speed "?" at which it was allegedly flying, that distance above sea level i.e. 700ft/ - which is a rocket speed, not a Boeing passenger jet liner that close to ground.]

You can see above by the image list provided that the alleged plane did not even make a clean-cut of the entry hole, yet somehow magically disappeared into the building. They love their "magic bullets?".

A real airplane or jet will not enter smoothly as though the Tower were made of butter, without slowing down.

Here's an image of the hole made by a far heavier plane back in the day - when it hit the side of the Empire State Bld. http://s794.photobucket.com/user/pondering224/media/weirdness/damages/empirestatebldgcrash.jpg.html

Most of the aircraft fell to the outside as one would expect and stayed outside, which follows some observations by the ancients about physical behavior : ~ "Two things, two materiel objects have their own space ie. don't take up the same place at the same time" - Hume.

The "plane" appeared to enter the building, wait a beat, and then explode.

You have to slow it down and look at it frame by frame, perhaps, to catch that?

Some people with special sensitivity and neurological systems, can see it right off.. Even right off the TV without slowing it down.. They will see something is wrong and tag it as a "dramatization" or "dramatic recreation."

http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/thumbnail-600x300.png

The beauty of this is that is right out there in the open. It's right in front of every single person, but just as many can not figure out that murdering Muslims in their homes, bombing them dead for years, is worse then turning them away at the border..,

folks just will not figure it out - in most cases.

Thing is : this was so bold and audacious ; most will not dare to imagine it.

Airplane engine , which is model number 9 / 11 in reverse; is obviously a reference to this Plane Hoax.

If large numbers of people found this out, Mass Media would be cooked.. !

And yes, since Webb made fun of 9/11 "conspiracy theorists" and brushed it off as trivial a few days ago; I feel certain the blackmail worked.

It seems strange that they would have to hide something that is already completely out in the open.. But that is part of the point.

"Hiding in Plain Site" -

Therefore some people who are suckers would surmise such openness proves the perps didn't do it that way.

Also, it enables the Open Source researchers to themselves "spin it out" without any government officials have to break their non-disclosure agreements!

The people who cooked up this hellacious soup must've been very confident in the power of their mind control over the population. And perhaps even over-stepped their bounds with their feat?

samhara

I felt Wikileals was bullshit from the start since most things that are public knowledge, if you bother to check, and obvious - they never bring up.. Assange never even spoke out against the bogus "War on Terror" money - pit proxy war. Webb does admit they were not for the good of U.S. Yeah, the whole "terror war" was fabricated.

Also Assange was brought up and likely sold from a pedo cult. Anne Hamilton - Byrne "The White Brotherhood"

My take on the latest side - swipe by Webb against so - called "9/11 Conspiracy Theory" [lol] is that whoever they were blackmailing, gave in.

party1981

Yes, this is exactly what George Webb suggested - we have no JA proof of life.

party1981

I don't have much more evidence than that. You might want to check out some Chris Bollyn youtube videos, he talks about the theft involved in 9/11 (so do a lot of other videos). But they probably don't have any hard evidence or smoking guns.

party1981

There is evidence that the vault was jammed open and everything was missing.

A FEMA videographer has been seeking political asylum from the U.S. in Argentina for many years because of this.

http://www.voltairenet.org/article160636.html

party1981

I don't have smoking gun proof, but if you watch building 7 being demolished, in controlled demolition, you see that that it was some kind of inside job..

samhara

I studied it for over 10 years intensively. The government / Media story is 100% bullshit.

But this "Bld. 7" meme is total red herring.. "Bld 7" was demolished / brought down by its leaseholder Mr. Silverstein. He total the story himself on TV.. So they get the mainstream truthlings to repeat "Bld. 7" over and over as if it were evidence ; when it is not evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jPzAakHPpk "the smartest thing to do is to pull it. "

It wasn't hit by anything..Yes, it was demolished. The owner admitted it. That's no evidence.. How did they fool those suckers to repeat "bld 7" on and on for so many years.. Phew.

Read a good on the subject why don't you? https://www.abebooks.co.uk/911-Conspiracy-Scamming-America-James-Fetzer/14096480640/bd They got everyone to repeat the worst evidence.. How did they do that?

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES

No.

strix-varia

He too will be depressed and infuriated when it hits him, which it will. Pray.

e-traiu

That is a good question.

I have no idea. Infact, im not shure it actually happened like the history books says.

pbvrocks

PULL THE TRIGGER!

party1981

Yes please

bopper

There would have to be some pretty hard and undeniable evidence, and hopefully there is plenty.

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES

If the thermonuclear explosion was muffled by 70 yards of vaporized bedrock, you betcha, you can find some paper even after the heat, especially considering the buildings are however hundred of feet tall, leaving the top offices almost 1/10th of a mile above the explosion.

party1981

Thank you. I will check her out. I think 911 was Mossad.

bopper

The controlled demolition theory spawned the 911 truth movement. This was possibly anticipated by the perps. At any rate the movement became so popular that it was infiltrated. That's why it's so non-taboo to talk about it. It is now very safely controlled opposition, to keep people from the truth.

The movement despises Dr. Judy Wood (for good reason). She is taboo, maligned, trashed, and has no Wiki page (and she should). Jessie Ventura likes her, but was shut up by Alex Jones when he brought her up on Jones' show. Even Fetzer has opposed her (Mr. Freethinker ... although I do like him on some things).

If one can ignore the sensational aspects (they can be off-putting) of the below clip, it is a fairly good intro to Dr. Wood. https://vimeo.com/53775705

samhara

There are other names, I cannont remember at this time. People were also viciously attacked for "No Planes at the Pentagon" which in retrospect is extremely obvious.

John Judge outed himself as a controlled-op over the Pentagon Plane issue /~05. He was a central figure in the control of the JFK research group for over 40 years. He's gone now. A very "nice" and extremely likable man - certain varieties always are.. They fought against you on two fronts: The Pentagon event an the "controlled demolition" observation.

I figured later that they do whatever they can, in their power, to slow down the realization of the true narrative in the awareness of the population. They work on the leaders of research and hijack the followers [ people who read and follow the research but don't do it themselves].

samhara

The 9/11 Truth Movement existed way before the "Controlled Demolition" theory. In fact that theory was fought against viciously by 9/11 "Truthers" who had control of the movement and everyone's ear..

The shills know how to get the attention of the crowd, establish [bogus] credibility in the eyes of the crowd and have the money to spread their lies..

If you believed in "Controlled Demolition" you were villified and demonized as a government operative / shill. "You are bad for the movement" they told us..

Names? Some "still around" Nick Levis / John Albanese.. All these people who took initial control of "9/11 Truth" called you names, harassed you , mocked you - if you mentioned the anomalies around the destruction of the Towers.. - http://911blogger.com/news/2008-09-19/september-22-2008-911-truth-radio-show-nicholas-levis-and-professor-anthony-j-hall -

samhara

The book is a must have "Where Did the Towers Go?" Though she doesn't go into the exact weapon used, it's inferred by her forensic analysis. That is her training and specialty.. I won't go into the technical details but everyone should get the book - http://wheredidthetowersgo.com/ -

bopper

Yes, exactly, thanks!

party1981

I will look into this.

samhara

They dribble out the info.

Dr. Judy Wood's book , a complete forensic examination on the Tower destruction evidence. It's proof of government lies and came out almost 10 years ago

... And now they dribble this out today..? What?

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/physics-study-911-controlled-demolition/

15 Years Later, Physics Journal Concludes: All 3 WTC Towers Collapsed Due to Controlled Demolition

Perfect example. do not trust seemingly official sources / panels! They are liars, just as are the 500 Liars in Congress. - http://thefreethoughtproject.com/physics-study-911-controlled-demolition/ -15 Years Later, Physics Journal Concludes: All 3 WTC Towers Collapsed Due to Controlled Demolition

Also the "# 7" is a total mind - fuck. But the controlled-op "truthers" go on and on about it, as though it's the best evidence!

"#7 - Salomon's Bros. blld, was destroyed by its owner, Silverstein! He announced it publically on TV , no less; And the clip has been up on the Internet for over 10 years, supposedly to show the government / Media story to be a lie ?!

... so miracle of miracles 15 years later they finally announce it..

The leaseholder claimed it / owned the demolition at the time !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq-0JIR38V0 Larry Silverstein - Pull It (PBS Version)

And we were told it was rigged ahead of time for normal high security reasons. D'uh. That's how dumb the mainstream 9/11 "Truth " Movement is. And deliberately .

People who can not put 1 and 1 together think it's a big revelation? 7 was purposefully demolished?

What else could it be? It wasn't hit by anything.. So it takes 15 years to figure that out..?!

Why is that? Hypnotism ? Floride?

The puppet - masters love to slow down the research. If they can slow it down long enough, no one will remember nor care, in any case.

It was announced this week! What?!

Now you catch a slight glimpse of the mind - control involved. .And yes, the perps are laughing their asses off.

bopper

Wow, just look at what your post started! Shame on you, you created a monster :) Thanks though, it's been a treat reading all the comments.

party1981

Yeah this is my most successful post. But I'm not even confident that WL is posting about pizzagate. It could be posting about releasing its DMS in response to the threat of JA losing asylum.

bopper

Yes, isn't that weird. It is fuzzy isn't it? Time will tell. Everybody's soooo anxious for something to happen, bigly. It was a great conversation outlet, for many. Congrats regardless of what happens w/ Wikileaks, etc.

party1981

Yes, pizzagate is frustrating because there is a MOUNTAIN of strongly suggestive, circumstantial evidence, and yet still no smoking gun.

And... if you talk to previous SRA victims, they will tell you how frustrating it is how there can be huge scandals, investigations, tv reports, documentaries... and yet nothing happens. We're afraid that will happen again. But, there are signs of hope (I have a separate thread listing 11 data points that something is happening this week.) We'll see.

bopper

Yes. Sorry to bother you again, can you link to your other thread? Also, Trump is a whole 'nother animal. New sheriff in town. I believe he is willing to risk everything (you should read his old Playboy interview, though he wasn't as religious then as he has become lately), there's a paragraph where he contemplates his mortality and is resigned to it (his Mum was hard-line old-school Scottish Presbyterian).

Right now I'm watching livestream the confirmation of Sessions. De Vos already confirmed, we're almost there. Gonna be wild, what's her name in CA (not Pelosi) is bashing him (Sessions) at the moment.

party1981

Other thread: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1625153

I'm the biggest Trump fan in the world. He is smarter than me. But when I see him bomb Yemen, and tweet about Iran, I think he hasn't figured yet that CIA and ISIS are the same thing. He needs to have a long talk with Cynthia McKinney, perhaps with William Engald. Trump also has ties to Israelis and DynCorp too (Feinberg). So the jury is still out.

bopper

Thanks. I might have too much confidence in him, hope not. I think he knows plenty. We'll see.

Mommyplayer571

Yes interesting idea. The Vault 7 picture in Norway does look like a server. And I think seeds could be threats of seeding a torrent of new info or the torrents already sent out.

samhara

The servers of Assange are under rock, way under ground, in an old military site , bunker. Run by a neo - Nazi "Pirates" something. I saw a vid with a tour of the place.. Creepy, fer sure. [ link is on our Forum which was downed 12 - 10 - 16 ]

bopper

Yes, I did. Thanks.

bopper

Thank you, it was so enlightening to find out about her.

Edit: You may know about the cold fusion piece on 60 minutes, and probably about Nikola Tesla.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTvaX3vRtRA

YingYangMom

What is Wikileaks trying to tell us by WHAT, WHERE, WHEN, WHO? Every tweet is a question, but they're not really cryptic, are they? I mean if you can figure out what the pictures are and get answers to them, you can then understand what they're saying.

  1. WHAT is #Vault7? (picture of a VAULT, or BUNKER in Norway.

  2. WHERE is #Vault7? (picture of a GERMANY nazi underground bunker during WWII)

  3. WHEN is #Vault7? ( When did the event in this engine picture take place?) IDK.

  4. WHO is #Vault7? (A WHISTLEBLOWER?)

Edit: Found answer to tweet #3. 'When' question : Feb 22nd.

This could mean, prepare yourselves and get to your bunkers, or go underground because on Feb 22nd, Germany and possibly Norway? is going full attack and going to bomb the shit out of some place or country, possibly Russia?

party1981

Yes some people think the engine indicates February 22. I think it indicates 911, but nobody knows for sure.

goatboy

Why not both?

crystalclearme

Seems AnonymousScandinavia may not be willing to wait and my have the info too. https://twitter.com/AnonScan/status/828700269093515265

party1981

Yes, those tweets are very intriguing. Does anyone know if this guy had been reliable in the past?

Mommyplayer571

I am becoming suspicious of that acct. he subscribes to some anonymous twitter handles that aren't ok. Also one video has what looks like a photoshopped pic of Trump behind Satanic symbol. I think that it is a PsyOp although initially I was hoping for better things from that channel. https://twitter.com/mommyplayer571/status/828990456457490432

party1981

Damn. Not what I was hoping for.

unbowedunbentuncuckd

Those vault 7 tweets, mixed with tweeting Trump's "You think our country is so innocent?" remarks...

Shit's getting way too crazy.

party1981

I completely agree.

Votescam

Granted the FBI was very obviously involved in the 1993 original attack on WTC which either didn't do what it was supposed to do in leading to an attack on Iraq, or it was a practice run. But why would 9/11 be a threat to the FBI? Clearly, Cheney was orchestrating the day -- protected by the Bush family -- but certainly it was a military operation -- maybe Blackwater(CIA) -- where they got to test some unconventional stuff, I'd suggest.

FBI might be threatened in the cover up?

samhara

Because the FBI was in on it and part of it.

Votescam

Glad to see that everyone agrees with that. And the cover-up, as well.

party1981

It's not so much the FBI, but the CIA/JTTF/Clinton/Bush cartel, which seemingly control leadership roles in the FBI and DOJ, like McCabe or Kadzik.

Most of the FBI seems to be good guys, who were battling the DOJ and rest of the government. Here is a mainstream source on that:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/secret-recordings-fueled-fbi-feud-in-clinton-probe-1478135518

Votescam

And compartmentalization --

samhara

FBI participated and blocked info on it and lied ! It was a collaborative effort and FBI was key to suceess. As they were for the "JFK' event.

Votescam

Agree -- and very clearly with MLK, Jr., as well.

Narcissism

9/11 was a Nuclear Event the technology was way beyond anything Israel had at its disposal at the time. 9/11 was US Deep State operation, blaming Saudi, Israel is just a distraction.

party1981

Nano thermite

enditnow

Everyone is reaching way too far. The riddle is very straightforward.

What is Vault 7? Doomsday vault

Where is Vault 7? Underground (hosted by multiple anons across the world)

When is Vault 7? F22 (February 22nd)

Ex. On February 22nd a deadmans switch will release insurance keys for bombshell release.

YingYangMom

Hey, I just posted a comment very similar and I hadn't seen yours yet! Thanks for the When tweet answer. I didn't know this event took place on Feb 22. Could the second tweet, 'where tweet' answer be Germany? If yes, then maybe WL is saying this: Prepare your bunkers, go underground, because on Feb 22nd, Germany is going full attack and bombing the shit out of some country (probably Russia)?

samhara

George Washington's Birthday. Dr. Steve P. said this latest election, bringing in Trump, was the most important for the U.S.A since the election which brought in George Washington. Also Drew Barrymore's, which brings to mind ET programming and Spielberg the pedo.

party1981

I like this theory

unfuckitup

K, First time I've done research here so please bear with me. Recently, Wikileaks has tweeted some really cryptic questions with even odder images. What is the purpose of these tweets?

The first question, What is vault seven. is with this image of a doomsday seed vault in Norway. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Svalbard_seed_vault_IMG_8894.JPG/1280px-Svalbard_seed_vault_IMG_8894.JPGJPG . Also, note that the FBI collects its research in groupings referred to as vaults. https://vault.fbi.gov/ The latest FOIA releases from the FBI came in six parts labeled 1of 6 to 6 of 6.. I believe Wikileaks is asking the FBI, where is part seven, indicating that there is more than what the FBI has released as part of the FOIA. Perhaps they are insinuating that Wikileaks itself is a vault of information, in the sameway that the FBI library of FOIA releases is called a vault. Also, a doomsday seed vault, like the one pictured in Norway is a kind of life insurance for the planet, The information that Wikileaks has is a kind of life insurance.

The next question is Where is vault seven? Where is the rest of the relevant information of the emails and information regarding corruption. The image is this: https://www.archives.gov/files/research/holocaust/images/111-SC-205409-xl.jpgJPG This is an image of Nazi loot vault. The gold, paintings and other priceless things are on record as the largest store of treasure ever found. I think Wikileaks is telling the FBI, that they, wikileaks has this 'treasure' would of course be a load of information. Perhaps the 650k files on Wieners laptop? That would be the biggest wikidump of all time.

The last question, When is Vault 7 is illustrated by this image: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3-N_BxWEAAoS8u.jpg:large This is an image of an engine, which is the engine for the Lockheed Martin F-22. I believe that February 22 is the answer to the question when. I believe that Wikileaks is saying we have the files from Wiener's laptop and if you don't release it by this date, we will. So, what do y'all think?

FuckReddit69

There's no debate :)

bopper

Fearmongers.

LostandFound

I have information here that may help move this forward. I was deep in this year's ago, you need to look for building 6 of the world trade centre complex US Customs House (Building 6). FEMA footage leaked by Kurt Sonnenfeld in 2009 official video videographer and one of the first people allowed on ground 0. http://www.voltairenet.org/article160636.html - not sure about source just grabbed good like for reference, seems to do fair summary.

People believed that wtc 7 had vaults which turned out not to be the case they were using a secure vault under building 6.

Vaults below building 6 were used for storage for many important things, and documents relating to many investigations. Vaults were found intact, open and empty. Whoever did that knew well in advance, it would be the smoking gun of detailed foreknowledge of the event.

samhara

Yep there was also a truck with gold found abandoned going out via a tunnel.. A few days later people came to retreive it. Nothing much was said publicly, just that it was on it's way out of the area when the event , dustification of the Towers, happened.

Also if you look into the Kennedy family: there was an archive there of their photos. It's looks like much of their family history was falsified and that the vault that had the cache of their documents / photos was un-broken but empty.. The claim was that the photos were burned.. [ If you are interested in the family photos of the Kennedy's , the forensic evidence therein, and the JFK event of '63 , I suggest this article - http://mileswmathis.com/barindex2.pdf -]

If you peruse Dr. Judy Woods book, "Where Did the Towers Go?" you will find the evidence which shows that the area under the Towers was not highly impacted. The Mall area below the Trade Tower Complex was still functioning/available, no collapsed roof below ground!. - http://wheredidthetowersgo.com/ -

party1981

Right, it looks like the vault was under building 6, not 7. But see the correction at the end of the NYT article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/01/nyregion/a-nation-challenged-the-vault-below-ground-zero-silver-and-gold.html

Of course, if 6 has a vault, it's possible that 7 had a vault, and it just isn't well publicized.

The other theory for vault7 is that it refers to a seventh batch of FBI leaks from the FBI records vault. But I still prefer the WTC vault theory. I will watch the videos.

BTW, it's pretty clear that it was Mossad. Watch a Christopher Bollyn video on youtube.

LostandFound

Mossad appeared to play their part but there were many who stood to gain. Gold and silver are nice but why not take power if it's available to you.

it was discovered that concealed within Building Seven was the largest clandestine domestic station of the Central Intelligence Agency outside of Washington DC, a base of operations from which to spy on diplomats of the United Nations and to conduct counterterrorism and counterintelligence missions.

In 01 there were always some form of physical off site data backup. This is where they stored their data. Kurt found only dust in the opened vaults used by the occupants of wtc 7.

samhara

There were massive bank transactions run through the computers there, within the Two Towers, in the minutes between the explosion and the dustification. Some hard drives were salvaged and examined at great expense, but the details of what was found was not released. The Insider Trading that took place the week before was traced to Deutche Bank by the 9/11 "Commission" but they rejected the evidence since the bank was not "terrorists" - they claimed.

party1981

Right. It was a crime within a crime within a crime.

LostandFound

Seems to me someone got greedy and sloppy, I doubt they have many friends but id say they probably had a lot of pizza related blackmail footage of a very wide range of people, if we are to accept the legitimacy of cia brownstone operations.

I remember someone saying pizzagate is the thing that ties all the other theories together, I laughed, not laughing now.

party1981

I think the CIA is the thread that ties them all together, along with its front company DynCorp.

SayWhatNOWAY

Holy Shit! My head is spinning!

bopper

Well the earth ain't. (Sorry couldn't resist.) I feel ya.

SayWhatNOWAY

LOL!

FuckReddit69

Regular bombs, except they werent regular they were condensed 100x of normal bombs. And yes... these bombs form mushroom clouds just like fake nukes do.

gAvenger

Condensed bombs, massive fireball, radioactive residue.

So a uranium bomb basically.

I believe they were real nukes only because the science is pretty clear here. Occam's razor literally comes into effect.

The big picture of evidence and scientific theory supports the atom bomb idea.

It just a uranium cap in a rifles chamber hitting a uranium anvil. It's a heavy element. It release energy in the form of a big shockwave and fireball with a br of radiation. It wasn't that big. Mostly heat energy, fireball, fire. Most Hiroshima building were weak construction.

As for H bombs, I mean, the bikini still footage might be fake. Who knows?

FuckReddit69

If your going the "occam's razor" route, you have to at least use it right.

Occam's razor actually suggests that nukes were/are hoaxed in order to give a super power more perceived power and to end wars before they start. The science might be there but that doesnt make nukes real and practical.

If you look at the whole story of the Manhattan project, everything just screams BS. Its a nice fairy tale happy ending that turned out just swell for the Allies. Convenient they had Freemason Einstein solve their Nuclear dilemma on the last minute, constructed a Hyper-bomb with said science and won the war for them with just 2 drops. Occam's razor suggests that its way cheaper and easier to just hoax the thing instead of actually building it using untested cutting edge experimental physics.

Almost everything we were taught about WW2 is complete shitbull. From Hitler to the holohoax, you have been spoon fed garbage since your pre-k ball-Earth indoctrination began before you can even say MaMa.

It's entirely plausable, even probable that the Nuke hoax was carried out as one of the biggest successful psyops in human history. Governments lie with impunity to perpetuate whatever agenda they have on the table. It really shouldnt be a surprise to you or anyone even remotely awake.

gAvenger

It's possible, but I've studied college physics and seen tons of Hiroshima evidence first hand. That uranium can make a nuclear reaction, and that the allies could have had one (Hiroshima bomb is not big deal, pretty small a-bomb) is not unreasonable and fits the existing evidence strongly.

The fake chimneys at Auschwitz are different.

JastheMace

You've seen 'WW2 in color' right. Soooo, they gave thousands of Joe Blow soldiers cameras that film in color with a higher picture resolution than the camera they put on a plane to film the first ever nuclear explosion used in combat that scientists will want to study? A mushroom cloud superimposed on top of the first one creates the low picture resolution because they had to overlap the film in those days. No radioactive wasteland for a half life of how much?

bopper

Nasa

srayzie

Thank you. That is so neat! I wonder why Wikileaks posted a picture of it tho 🤔

ArthurEdens

If you drop the 9/11 docs now pizzagate goes away for a while. Public can't roller skate and chew gum at the same time

Mommyplayer571

But it could break the hold MSM has on the public. It shows the media complicit. 911 Truth is very damaging potentially.

DustyRadio

The past decade I have gone from a news watching American thinking the worst that was in DC was some pork barrel spending, to extreme pessimism and anger regarding the "fairy tales" of 9/11, Sandy Hook, the Gulf Wars, Libya... as well as Crichton, Breitbart and Clancy's untimely demises. The fact they kill even authors who write against their agendas, for heaven's sake, is insane.

hels

Please update me on Crichton. I am oblivious to even knowing he wasn't alive any longer. The typical google search tells me fuckall.

DustyRadio

Crichton died unexpectedly of lung cancer in 2008. His family was devastated.

He was 1/3 the way into a sequel to "Next", his awesome cautionary tale regarding gene patenting. Gene patents are a HUGE murky moneymaking business.

He redpilled thousands if not millions with State of Fear regarding man made climate change. That was my personal favorite.

Every book he wrote was awesome. The man was brilliant and has no problem exposing the horrible things going on in science and tech. He was wildly popular, as you know.

Most people only discovered his death when googling when his next book was coming out! A hugely popular author, on the level of Stephen King with his fans, and his death barely made news.

The CIA can give people disease to kill them. I know it sounds crazy but it's true, and George Webb mentions it in his videos- he maintains Steve Jobs was killed by the CIA too.

You are right, it is almost impossible to even find discussion of the idea this happened online or any posts questioning his abrupt unexpected death from cancer.

bopper

Death by cancer was attempted on Castro. Jack Ruby developed an aggressive cancer, and told someone before he died that it was done on purpose.

bopper

I'm with you.

party1981

I didn't know about Crichton and Clancy.

TheSeer

Lies?! You can't handle the lies! My point being, this shit about the truth being destabilizing, yeah so what? It is the price to be paid for people believing so much bullshit.

What, flat earthers will freak out when they find out we do in fact live on a globe?

People that denied the existence of the Illuminati will freak out when it is exposed globally?

People that think man walked on the Moon will freak out when that is acknowledged to have been a hoax?

Sure, but none of those people can say that they weren't warned!

JastheMace

So you can see that NASA is a hoax, but not that the purpose of the hoax was to fake the round shape through a portal? Look up Bart Sibrel's documentary 'A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon' They were in a high altitude mock up. Same Mason's who are all tied up in PizzaGate did the moon stuff too.

TheSeer

Provide your personal details and I will see what I can do about raising funds to send you down to the 'Ice Wall' in Antarctica personally, so you can tell us what lies beyond it! Everyone is dying to find out. Good luck, and I hope you enjoy the fame and fortune that awaits you!

FuckReddit69

Flat Earth is Real.

"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance"

bopper

You know that's a Bible quote? Pretty neat.

"He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him."

FuckReddit69

TIL a bible quote :)

bopper

Today I learned what TIL means (honest, I had to google it!)

IPleadThe2nd

You just taught me so thank you!

FuckReddit69

LoL. Noice. 2 birds 1 stone.

bopper

You need to turn the flat earth and globe statement 'round the other way.

Vic138

When the destabilizing shit happens I want Trump in power. I don't want a liberal or neocon (but I repeat myself), I want a populist with America's best interests at heart. In 2 months he may be dead, especially if the powers that be know something like this is coming out, getting rid of Trump will probably be mission #1.

samhara

No, he's being protected for a reason. Also, He was for Hillary! But events overtook them. There is no reason to kill him, but he may retire since he only signed up for a two - year acting gig, and getting the job wasn't part of the plan [fake assassination is possible. They have no reason to get rid of him, actually].

SayWhatNOWAY

Stay safe President Trump!

party1981

Sadly, I agree. We are all praying for him.

You can never really know how corrupt Trump is. But it seems to be a really good sign that the CIA, Hillary Clinton, National Review all hate him, and he's writing letters to shut down Federal Reserve operations.

Freemasonsrus

The Fed reserve IS the source of all these problems. Period.

party1981

I agree. A major component of the rothschild/CIA cartel.

crystalclearme

I had a humorous but relevant thought when I realized hey- when huge number of senate and congress creeps are arrested- there will be a huge number of open seats. There will be a lot risked in those elections! Could be good or could be horrible. At least opens chance for the D and liberals to participate

srayzie

Could this picture from Wikileaks https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/827828627488268290 have something to do with Antarctica that we keep hearing about? Many world leaders have been reported flying back and forth there a lot, starting in 2016.

party1981

I thought so but someone else corrected me. That's Norway. So, if it's talking about Antarctica, then that's a pretty big jump.

The other messages do seem to be about 9/11, especially the engine "when was #vault7" tweet.

srayzie

Thank you for the response. Do you know what it is in Norway? I wonder why they would post that.

samhara

The Pirate Servers of Assange et al ; and whoever promoted him.

crystalclearme

Is one of seed banks around world. There is a fascinating youtube video about it.

srayzie

I'll have to watch a video about it. I didn't even know we had those until today. But I wonder what the reason is that Wikileaks posted it. All these hints without answers is killing me

party1981

I don't really know. It's the first vault7 post, and it is the most mysterious. Could be related to Antarctica. There are conspiracy theoriests who talk about the elites wanting a breakaway civilization that nukes the world and then lives on in tunnels (Denver, Switzerland, etc.).

Watch this and you'll see how suspicious some of this stuff is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKJ6pCQ_Jgc

srayzie

I'm so glad you posted this video. I've seen this video and the I wanted to share it but couldn't find it. That is creepy stuff!

party1981

Yeah just search youtube for "Switzerland occult ceremony." Comes right up. There is also another great video where someone goes minute by minute, analyzing all of the occult/blood imagery and code.

srayzie

Thank you!

Blacksmith21

  • Step 1: Elect Trump [check]
  • Step 2: Make it to inauguration [check]
  • Step 3: Inaugurate Trump [check]
  • Step 4: Install core Cabinet [almost check - awaiting Sessions, after de Vos (need Sessions' vote)]
  • Step 5: Execute, execute, execute. [forthcoming. Be patient.]

crystalclearme

Love step 5- must be televised and available livestream.

8pinkstars

we need Sessions before deVos

Blacksmith21

Can't vote in de Vos without Sessions' vote. It would be his last vote before his swearing in and it is a squeaker. Besides, de Vos is Prince's brother. She is fully red-pilled and aware of the left's agenda. That agenda is the foundation of the NWO - "Give me your children, and I will give you the future."

The left doesn't want the sister of the Holy Christian Crusader, Prince, stepping in to start dismantling what they have built the last 30 years.

And for them to go public with this, would only beg the question of someone with half a brain - "why should that have to do with de Vos?". They know why...

SayWhatNOWAY

Get that Evil Commie Core out of our schools ASAP!

Ocelot

Apologies for being ignorant, but when is Sessions set to be confirmed?

Blacksmith21

Every GOP vote is needed, which will still result in a tie, in order to confirm de Vos. VP Pence will be the tie-breaking vote, as he is the President of the US Senate. Also, one of those needed GOP votes belongs to Sen. Jeff Sessions, the inbound Attorney General. If he is confirmed and sworn is as AG prior to de Vos, his seat is empty, triggering another constitutional crisis and without question, delaying the vote for possibly months.

The Dems know what is about to come. Even if they personally are not complicit, this rampant corruption and pedophilia is probably well-known among everyone on Capitol HIll. They are delaying the inevitable.

And as much as I would like to see de Vos get sworn in, Sessions needs to take the helm now!

8pinkstars

Ah! Thank you for your wisdom and response :)

party1981

Be patient. "Not yet." That's what they told Milo.

AgainstTheNWO

And i think Alex and some more. Alex J has been given a GO it seems.

e-traiu

We dont have nukes.

But people still get killed, and we have huge bombs. But nukes, Nope.

bopper

Yeah, but I am a little concerned about what brought down the towers - maybe you know Dr. Judy Woods' work?

e-traiu

No, she is New to me? Significant person?

samhara

Yes. "Where Did the Towers Go?" - http://wheredidthetowersgo.com/ -

bopper

Yes, google her book "Where Did the Towers Go" on Amazon. And she's all over youtube and also heavily maligned and censored.

e-traiu

Ty fellow Traveller :)

bopper

Welcome!

Phenomenonanon

Interesting theory

thetruthoftensux

If WikiLeaks had anything on 9-11 they should have released them years ago. Still more bullshit.

samhara

That's why I never trusted Wikileaks. Also Assange was brought up in a child trafficking cult.. Anne Hamilton - Byrne.

party1981

Revealing to the world that Mossad did 9/11 could potentially:

  1. destroy the credibility of Wikileaks, if the masses of people simply refused to believe it (for example, for emotional reasons, in response to a CIA counter-message)
  2. trigger a civil or foreign war, with gun loving Americans turning on their country, turning on Israel, or Israel feeling very threatened and vulnerable

That alone would justify keeping the information secret, at least for some time.

It is also amazing blackmail material, which could help explain why Assange seems to be alive and not corrupted (although it is debatable if he has been corrupted).

gAvenger

Samson option: Israel's survival is based on a nuclear suicide pact basically.

Also, though "we" all know the US government runs a corrupt global criminal shadow government, most countries and people don't have proof. With proof, a lot of countries that are ostensibly part of the team might turn. It could be bad.

party1981

Yes, this exactly.

Searcher88

Are you saying that Israel would threaten us with war? That's a little hard to believe.

party1981

I honestly don't know enough about Israel/U.S. military confrontations to say. It just seems like, if country X discovers that country Y performed a giant false flag to kill 3000 people and hijack country X's military, then country Y might expect country X to attack it. And then country Y might want to do something to stop/preempt/defend such a retaliation.

party1981

It is not a direct threat. The "threat" is a hypothesis, which is trying to explain four different WL, which are otherwise cryptic and bizarre and confusing. Three of them mention "vault7", one of them has a picture of a seed vault in Norway. One of them has a picture of a Nazi gold vault. One of them has a picture of an airplane engine, which has a model number that is basically 9/11/01 in reverse. That tweet, with that model number, says "When is Vault7?" - note the use of the word "when". There is another tweet, which does not have the #vault7 tag, which has a video with the 9/11 WTC crash on the cover, and the text "9/11" and "friendly fire."

Is this smoking gun proof? Of course not. It's a working theory and incomplete circumstantial evidence, like everything else on this forum.

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

After Cassius stole a shit load of gold in ancient Rome, things quickly went to hell in a handbasket.

crystalclearme

are you thinking that could be #vault7 ?

Leto_Atreides

I cannot find the resurfaced FBIAnon posts, as they were taken down from /pol. Does anyone have a backup?

party1981

The first link to r/conspiracy in the original post above should have it within its text.

bopper

Firstly, I'm going out on a limb saying this (about nuclear weapons/bombs) so I want to be careful not to offend (and be called a shill). Secondly, I was only trying to give some hope to the OP who feared such an exchange and thus annihilation (of family etc.). Thirdly, if true the footage is fake (it would not be the only fake footage we've been fed).

Theupsidedown

If the footage is fake?

Dude, you can physically go there and see the damage.

samhara

Yes, Firebombs.. Look at docu "Fog of War" on McNamara ; Listen carefully, he will not speak about nukes, but states it was firebombing that was "worse" - https://freedocumentaries.org/documentary/the-fog-of-war - I saw the film when it was first released in NYC and the director was there. He said you could not tell from the movie itself but that 99 out 100 questions asked the General, only one was answered.. Most of the interview was silence. The director has to work a long time to compile an entire movie.

bopper

Some experts have plainly stated that it simply looks like massive fire-bombing. But it is just my opinion after having checked into it a bit. Seems plausible for several reasons but that's just me. Edit: By footage I mean films of nuclear explosions, tests, not Nagasaki.

gAvenger

The Hiroshima bomb wasn't that big. The shockwave wasn't that powerful, but Japanese construction was weak. Mostly, the release of energy by the bomb took the form of a massive fireball. Hence, why it all looked like firebombs. The radioactivity and radiation disease was very real. And the eyewitness testimony was pretty consistent. A single bomb on a parachute, exploding in the air into a point of white light that became a fireball brighter than the sun.

It's actually fucked up because unlike the pure energy (allegedly) annihilation of a big H bomb, the Hiroshima bomb was just a big ol fireball.

An entire downtown area was engulfed in it, and people who were somehow sheltered still became engulfed in pure fire. There were tens of thousands who jumped into the river to put out the flames and the river ended up filled with bodies. Look it up, not a pretty picture.

Actually in real firebombings small rivers would sometimes actually boil so people would jump in them to put the fire out only to be boiled alive. Babies would melt and fuse into their mother's backs. Peoples' skin would fall off from like "5th" degree burns.

Sick shit. At least the Axis used gas and bullets to kill people rather than recreating a literal inferno on earth opening the portal to hades.

ZalesMcMuffin

Where did the Axis use gas to kill people?

gAvenger

Allegedly, I'm just saying

bopper

Yeah, dunno, maybe they'll chime in.

bopper

Yes, sick. "War Does Not Determine Who Is Right — Only Who Is Left."

Ocelot

Man, if that were true, I think I'd have to question damn near everything I've ever learned.

bopper

There are big things we've been lied to about. There is one really big thing. If you can handle it, go for it. If not, I don't suggest it. If you have a spiritual grip, the 'ride' is easier. As for me, I DO NOT want to be lied to anymore.

Ocelot

Could you point me in that direction? I will lose all of my sanity if it means finding the truth.

bopper

PM'd you Ocelot. You're a trooper. So far :)

2impendingdoom

it would be nice to believe that. but so much other horrific shit is real, a big nasty ole bomb seems the least of it. I'm not so afraid of nuclear war as much as more incidents like fukishima. All our old nuke plants are ticking time bombs and we enthusiastically put them in our front yard.

rippingtheveil

you gotta check out bill holter on sgt report, he also wrote an article at beginning of year saying 2017 was going to be the year of truth bombs, Good theory on vault7, they the bush Clinton cabal stole all of America's gold, 911 was the largest bank in country at time, they stole that gold too

SayWhatNOWAY

Soros stole it!

Vic138

There was a story in the National Tatler in 1974 that David Rockefeller bought the gold that was in fort Knox through back channels at the federal reserve. This story was relayed to them from an anonymous source that overheard Nelson Rockefeller telling the story. Nelson Rockefeller’s executive assistant (59 yo Louise Auchincloss Boyer grandaughter of Col House - the real president during Wilson’s presidency that brought us the fed (income taxes and the precursor to the CFR) and cousin to Jackie Auchincloss Kennedy) was later found to be the source and died from a fall from her hi-rise apartment in NYC three days later.

http://s6.zetaboards.com/Bill_Still_Reforum/topic/1176801/1/

bopper

He didn't get mine. Yet.

party1981

Yes I think they stole the gold.

2impendingdoom

since then the price of gold has skyrocketed yet how much of that is actual physical "accounted for" gold?

party1981

Exactly.

rippingtheveil

no gold in ft knox either

GivenyaThunderc00kie

I am close to Ft.Knox, and have heard rumors of no gold as well.

party1981

This is probably also true. The Federal Reserve has no money and simply prints trillions to fund DynCorp and CIA.

2impendingdoom

fake money fake news

party1981

I started my account at VOAT right after pizzagate came here. I am have a history of many respectable posts in this forum.

unrealisthenewreal

Thanks for posting here. I was wondering what those WL tweets were in regards to. I also immediately thought Antarctica, but after releasing volume 6 of the emails, it makes more sense that vault #7 would also be some type of file disclosure.

Gorillion

This includes the return of FBIanon.

Woo! My favorite Scary CopyPasta cum real-time Political Thriller author. Never been gripped by something so hard in my life. That most of it turned out to be real was just a bonus on top of that first insane experience.

I hope this new round is true too of course, if only so we get the whole drama in book form at the end of all this. It's going to be stunning reading. Jack Ryan can go suck a fuck. This is Le Carre level shit, routing out traitors and monsters in your own ranks.

witch_doctor1

Amen. Truly has to be the most epic thing that ever happened happened on the 'net. Also, I think this really is FBI Anon and not a LARP.

heretolearn

do you have the new fbi anon link

WeCanDoThisThing

Why in the world would mods delete those threads?

witch_doctor1

That's what I was wondering....

heretolearn

thank you!

party1981

This is so true.

Stukov

FBI is honestly waiting for Sessions to lead the charge, FBI cant do shit without the Justice Dept cleaned up.

party1981

According to multiple reports, they are not even waiting for that. Arrests could happen Mon/Tuesday, Sessions is hoping for confirmation later this week.

Of course, if you arrest Democratic Senators, you make confirmation easier, yes? Not sure if any of these reports are actually true.

2impendingdoom

that would reek of "coup" and "tyrant" they'll have to take in R's also or risk mass rioting.

Fateswebb

Seriously if there are republicans then absolutely good point. But you got to take the worst criminals and ignore their affiliation. And don't get me wrong I bet there's at least ~10 republicans in the list...

samhara

I agree here. They have to make bi-partisan arrests; And there is plenty to choose from, certainly.

People are brainwashed, but likely too lackadaisical and apathetic to create a civil war.. If there is a "civil war" - It will be for TV only /staged to make an excuse for business as usual.

They are brainwashed to the extent that they will claim they are partisan arrests.. Can't you see that from 10 miles away? The Mass Media control is affective.

So whoever is planning this Better Have - some good stuff to present immediately to the public to gain support, and I bet they do.

Who knows, we could be in another Patriot / Falcon ; Trump / Rodham C. ; upset game, after all.

Pete Seeger was a Liberal and Communist but wrote some great songs. One line I remember is: "Who knows but G-d has a plan for the people to win, with a little this and that"

Fateswebb

Arrest them. Actually let's arrest every fucking one of them that has commited either crimes against children, violent crimes, or pay to play and drug schemes as well. Get rid of all of the truly corrupt ones. Which is probably hundreds of them...

2impendingdoom

The policy is the same no matter who is in office. institute fear, feed the corporations, protect (and bailout) the banks, use taxpayer money to support illegal wars (don't forget the kickbacks to CF and other cronie NGOs), increase mass surveillance, drain state & federal pensions, ignore election tampering. Just look at the last election, the only popular candidates were Trump and Bernie (populists), and DNC stole the nomination from bernie, so don't look for either party to support the people's interests.

remedy4reality

Iceland has done very well since it locked up its criminal politicians and bankers.

Let's get real, the only adverse effects to disclosing the truth will be to those who have sown the LIES.

MeeestaTraumaLlama

Boom! Well said.

samhara

Too bad I can't give you mega - points.

markrod420

Everyone always uses Iceland as their example. You know if we only have a few hundred thousand people you would be AMAZED at the changes we could make. But we don't. We have a few hundred million people instead.

remedy4reality

and we have a proportional GDP to accommodate them...

I really hate this weak and common rebuttal to Iceland or any other system that works.

The United States Federal Government is a disgrace to its people and so are the Banks.

It has nothing to do with scale-ability and everything to do with ethics.

samhara

Maybe they've got more balls / chutzpa? Less arrogance?

markrod420

Hey I hate the federal govt. But enacting change among 400 million people is a lot harder than enacting change with 300 thousand. I don't mean monitarily. I mean just in general.

remedy4reality

We're talking about locking up criminals who commit criminal acts and preventing legislation that legalizes criminality, not radically changing the lives of 330 Million people ( although it would have a tremendous positive impact for the entire country ).

Really... if the entire government is corrupt, and IT IS... then exactly just what is at risk ?

markrod420

Massive economic collapse and social disorder. I live near a city. A big one. The prospect is pretty bad.

samhara

That's just bullshit. The civil unrest is deliberate. That's how they hide.

markrod420

Deliberate or not it would still happen

samhara

That is just what people are told by the Powers that Be. They convince people of that so they will never be caught and so it will always be their "business as usual" If things are set right, no one will be pissed.. Everyone will be releved, joyous and hopeful not to be subject to their vicious nightmare projection. This is another fear-porn, another nightmare projection onto peoples' minds.

samhara

Can you prove that? That is just an excuse to keep the liars fooling the shddpies.. If the perps were caught. No one would be pissed. If the perps are still smiling on TV , yes, people might be pissed - especially at the heads of the TV networks and the Media Corporation. They are lynch pin to the operation. In Africa, it is said, when a population found they were punked with the ";War of the Worlds" fake alien broadcast - are said to have torn up the radio station. Americans though, no, very passive. They may or may not have really "bought" the broadcast - they were just told everyone bought it. People are told what "everyone believes" what "everyone will do" and it's not usually correct. Because they are liars, know hypnotism, know how to suggest things and know how to work a crowd.

markrod420

You make a fair point. And I'm not actually completely certain that it would happen. But I don't think it's impossible that it would happen. Don't forget there's an entire world of corrupt out there. If we as a nation collectively get out heads out of our asses we are now at odds with 95% of the first world.

IPleadThe2nd

Get out at the first sign of trouble.

bopper

No kidding. If you've been through a natural disaster you know.

Theupsidedown

Maybe that's only because there were still some good guys at the top.

If the US is completely fucked with nothing but bad guys at the top, you can see how it might not be as peaceful of a transition as Iceland.

flyingcuttlefish

I think this idea of "Hillary leaving the country" is from a headline in The Globe (tabloid)

http://www.globemagazine.com/content/clinton-stopped-her-tracks

. . . so that seems like fiction for supermarket readers.

party1981

Right. I do not trust that story. But the Bahrain connection is very intriguing.

OoLaLaFrenchGirl

Hopefully they will release all info regarding everything we have been lied to about. ALL of it, please. We deserve to know the truth.

samhara

A comment by Morgan Reynolds from over 6 years ago; It's coming up on VOAT because folks are claiming "It will not be good if the truth comes out. There will be civil war" which is of course is the Propaganda promoted, since the JFK, among insiders to keep their own quiet - https://nomoregames.net/2006/04/09/the-risk-of-winning-what-happens-once-the-911-sewer-opens-wide/ -

"Second, what really is the worry? Isn’t this what we are working for, the prospect of justice obtained by exposure of the truth, the prospect of stopping the killers in their tracks? Yes, it is. Anyone fretting over the triumph of truth should ask this question: what do you do with a family dog who kills a family member? The dog was acquired to protect the family and instead it kills someone it was supposed to protect. The services of such a dog would no longer be required, to put it as gently as possible. That’s the situation we have with the DoD, NSA, CIA, FBI and a murderous array of government agencies, including the 9/11 Commission."

party1981

Not if it starts World War 3.

bopper

Nuclear weapons may not even exist. I was much more relaxed after I researched it. I think it's a good possibility. Don't know if that helps you or makes you think I'm nuts :)

party1981

I'm pretty sure nukes exist, hence all of that footage. But who knows.

GhostOfSwartz

Wow. I never even considered that possibility. How better to keep the world in check?

bopper

Right. Never been an 'accident.' None have ever gotten into the "wrong hands." Communism of the cold war was the boogeyman that "terrorism" is today, and the great fear of extermination kept us all in check. Took me a while to figure it out.

I don't fear nuclear exchange at all anymore. If everybody really hated each other they'd skip the ground wars etc. and just hit the button. Surely some trigger happy leader would've lost their temper by now. The camera footage is probably fake, and supposedly Hiroshima and Nagasaki were just big time fire-bombed.

strix-varia

Well, it's possible....because anything is possible... the lies are immense.

witch_doctor1

That's exactly what it looks like to me too. It is crazy that in this timeline Wikileaks is essentially blackmailing the FBI to do the right thing. Not that there is anything wrong with that IMO.

party1981

Yeah I've been swallowing a lot of red pills about FBI and CIA government corruption ever since CNN and the WSJ confirmed the Clinton Foundation investigation that FBIanon predicted four months earlier. That led me to Sandy Hook, which led to me 9/11, which led to Operation Northwoods, MK-ULTRA, Mockingbird, Phoenix, etc. Along the way, George Webb did a mountain of great work. It has been a very depressing ride for me, but Trump and FBIanon give me a glimmer of hope.

micha_

Then I have something for you: How is JFK - Warren Commission - magic bullet and Concentration camps - Buchenwald - movies - Hollywood director Hitchcock connected?

Fasten seat belts: the same people who presented the world shrunken heads from museums, lampshades and typhus-corpses as people starved to death, 18 years later were in the magic-bullett-Warren Commission...

Surely only one of those strange coincidences like collapsing buildings in free-fall, Iraqs WMDs and much more, which always somehow turn out to be a huge problem for patriotic politics and helpful to expand NWO...

bopper

They chose the right movie-maker, Alfred Hitchcock. I think that was a propaganda piece. Edit: As I'm sure you believe also.

party1981

Yeah, corrupt CIA is the golden thread that runs through a lot of political conspiracy theories.

PepeDidNothingWrong

Can you recommend a good source or starting place on Sandy Hook? I'm pretty much convinced on all the other projects you've mentioned but I never could latch on to the Sandy Hook theory.

samhara

For Beginners - http://911scholars.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=72&Itemid=51 - <<<< there's a lot of citations and a large amount extraneous bullshit to wade through there.. To cut to the chase get the best beginner' s book on ti "The 9/11 Conspiracy" - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/977124.The_9_11_Conspiracy -

samhara

Learn to read and concentrate. This book is by someone who was a professor of the History of Science, Philosophy of Science, Logic, reasoning, how we know what we know.. How to detect a fallacy.. How to reason.

He put this book on Amazon and they banned it. So he put it out for a free download.

Fetzer''s written scores of books and achieved over 60 awards for his teaching abilities.. He has facts at the tip of his mind . This book is just definitive about "Sandy Hook" - http://www.reformation.org/NobodyDiedAtSandyHook.pdf -

I knew right away because I study this stuff and know what to look for and I don't watch Mainstream Media at all.

First thing jumped out at me; they change the narrative.. First he's gone to the school where his mother works to kill her. then , she doesn't work there. Then, we have no motive as to why he drove so far to get to that school . Then you find out he's anorexic and on the autism spectrum and couldn't hold up the gear he was supposed to be carrying in there.. Then you find out the hole he supposedly punched in the glass was not big enough for him to walk through will all his gear.. Then you hear his body was left in the school but the machine gun was found locked in the car. Then you find the car wasn't even his, wasn't registered to him nor to his mother - By this time I gave up.. I didn't even bother . It was so obvious.

So I missed the part that seemed to wake up a large number of other people , which is still pretty amazing.

One Dad who came out, "Parker," was grinning.. The parents didn't insist to see their child's bodies.. But what really woke people up was the grinning parents..

Crisis Actors go all the way back to 9/11; but it was known only in a very minuscule research group. These Sandy Hook Crisis Actors were really bad actors. So much to the affect that it woke - up some TV watching public.

There was suspicion of Satan worshippers or something at some point; all a mystery - How could they manage that large op - could it really be *just about gun control? [ They did make a *lot of money from the donation request pages which were uploaded in some cases too soon - even before the event!]

. But it didn't really click hard until the Pizza Pedo revelations / and trafficking knowledge surfaced..

That explains the number of children they had at their disposal there; and how they had an whole community that was a cut -out.. They are very desperate for this one to remain secret from the public and hope the truth does not spread widely on it, for the reason of the trafficking and "grooming" of children for service to the State. , I believe.. Desperate really..

It was a very poorly done job.

Hillary called people who didn't believe children died , "blackhearts," which seems strange. If you thought the children were alive you were a "blackheart" ? How strange.

samhara

There's more connections between Obama and "Sandy Hook" His fake SS# was obtained from the Fairfield hospital in that neighborhood. The Sandy Hook parents brought one of the allegedly killed children to see Obama at the White House, wearing the same dress she was photographed in earlier.. "Emily" And yes, these people were all smiles.. Very weird.

Phenomenonanon

There's a video called let's talk about sandy hook which was pretty good

Fateswebb

Here is a pretty damning video that's short and one huge red pill to start with...

Sloppy sniper https://youtu.be/NPdFoEE4_A0 Busy lady!! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fguspd24hzQ

From that if you want more info maybe watch this longer video or search for crisis actors sandy hook on YouTube.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IxTafqejV6k

Freemasonsrus

We Need to Talk About Sandyhook is good, I agree with LA_Trump. Even if I discount everything I saw in that documentary, I can always go back to the fact that SH is never talked about anymore. It's not a concern. That's bc it didn't have its intended consequence of disarming us. A false flag is supposed to be an operation where the people are happily going along with the desired result. Examples would be our reaction to Pearl Harbor or 9/11. United as a nation to DO something.

gAvenger

What about the notion of witchcraft practitioners embedded in New England society?

Salem as a false flag of sorts to shift attention away from real satanists to scapegoats. Magical world view: talismans, archangel ceremonies, etc on the New England frontier. HP Lovecraft dark New England fuckery of the 19th century. And modern no-kidding "Wiccans" today. I heard the Sandy Hook community was full of them.

Is American society, the "13 colonies" nothing but a long term project of a Satanist shadow society?

That's the enduring question I ask.

party1981

The best piece of evidence is Sloppy Sniper: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPdFoEE4_A0

But I am not a Sandy Hook expert. One guy wrote an entire book about it. Sloppy Sniper was the thing that got me (and my girlfriend) to put the odds over 70% for a CIA false flag. It was kind of mindblowing to me at the time.

LA_Trump

Watch the documentary on YouTube titled "We Need To Talk About Sandy Hook."

ProudTruther

Here's a good one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxTafqejV6k

It was all crisis actors with a sign saying "everybody needs to check in" in a cia town that a bunch of people got free houses the Christmas 3 years before.

bopper

It's tough waking up.

samhara

"I was recently asked [] how I stay sane. I told him he was asking the wrong question. The question is how all the people who don't know the truth stay sane. The answer is, they don't. It is being caught in the Matrix that drives you insane. It is the blue pill that causes insanity, not the red pill. The truth can be painful, and sometimes be temporarily disorienting. But it is the lies that cause permanent disorientation, and eventual insanity. The truth, however painful, is clarifying. " from "Obama's Geneology" by Miles Mathis - http://mileswmathis.com/dunham.pdf =

bopper

Nice. So true. Truth will set you free.

GivenyaThunderc00kie

Especially when those closest to you are still sleeping!

acme2011

Very tough waking up. But it is fully worth it. One can envision a very bright future with Trump and it is exhilarating if we focus on the positives: the children are going to be saved, less fighting for resources, more cooperation etc.

strix-varia

Sure is. It's downright uncomfortable, which is what the other ignorant side doesn't want to feel. Is it better not to know? Absolutely NOT. All civilizations throughout time have had horrendous things happen. We've been mollycoddled, as if it could never happen to us! We are too civilized now....ummm...NOT.

bopper

So true. Can you talk to my wife :) "With the increase of wisdom comes sorrow."

strix-varia

My husband has been "waiting" for me for years and finally.......three months ago, it hit like a megatonne of bricks.

Fateswebb

What's crazy is I have been doing this for almost 20 years, and you will spend thousands of hours on something and thing you know it all, then you come back years later and look again, and you missed some huge stuff you can't believe you didn't see, then you come back years later and you see more stuff each time amazing that you didn't see it before again. It just keeps getting deeper and deeper and deeper until movies like the Truman show or the matrix become more realistic than the consensus reality that most people believe. It's a "cosmic trigger" and if you're not prepared for it, it can completely ruin you, and cannot.m be unseen unless you're strong enough to convince you're self it was all in your head so it's not real. Which is obviously almost impossible or could even be described as ptsd or trauma based disassociation. But hey keep looking I'm sure there's more. :(

nitro169

My wife thinks im nuts, one of us deserves to live in peace, plus it helps me keep my finger on the pulse, if she picks up on it without my influence, then I know we are there.

JoJoVoat

My hub thinks I have lost my mind. I finally figured out that I have to relate it to something he thought of or something he's really interested in for him to even acknowledge it. period.

bopper

That's good!

bopper

Good for you! And him. (Not gonna happen w/ my wife unless NBC says so.) Now you two can quit arguing and start looking like kooks together :)

GhostOfSwartz

I woke up in the months following Sandy Hook. It was a dark depressing year for me. The red pill is very hard to swallow.

samhara

How ironic, the people who thought it was real were less depressed than those who realized it was staged?

IPleadThe2nd

I started waking up after sandy hook too. That really got me to start questioning things and it snowballed from there. I went into a little bit of a depression. It's really hard to learn that basically everything you have ever been told is a lie. I snapped out of it and then just got really pissed! I'm still kinda stuck in pissed!

party1981

I took red pills when I discovered game and pick up artists. Discovering conspiracy theories is like a black pill.

ZalesMcMuffin

"I discovered game and pick up artists"

I don't understand what this means.

party1981

There are various subcultures on the internet that teach politically incorrect truths, to help men succeed with women. For example, "women say they like liberty, autonomy, nice guys, and flowers, but women really respond to bad boys who tease and somewhat-control them, who are dominant and take charge, and women actually tend to dislike guys who are really nice and buy them lots of presents." That's a politically incorrect truth that you will not find in a romantic comedy.

It's probably the most common use of the term "red pill":

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seduction_community#Pickup_artist

ZalesMcMuffin

Roger. Strange that that would be the most common red pill meaning... although, now that I think about it, maybe not; what is more fundamental than survival? The estrangement of the sexes is perhaps the biggest threat to that right now.

party1981

Another big threat: low testosterone.

http://www.rooshv.com/the-decline-in-testosterone-is-destroying-the-basis-of-masculinity

Wouldn't it be hilarious if it turned out that Jenny McCarthy was right and globalists were poisoning us with vaccines and other things to make us docile and feminine and pliable (or just autistic)?

ZalesMcMuffin

Hilarious isn't the word that I would use, but OK.

witch_doctor1

I know what you mean...I still don't want to believe 9/11 and that the Bush's are evil...but it is looking that way. Even when I was still a fan of GWB, I couldn't understand why American citizens were getting sexually assaulted to ride on airplanes, but the border was wide open. Now we know.

On the bright side, we now have a President that actually loves this country. That should be qualification #1 for the job, and it's been far too long since we had one.

samhara

Yes, it too "funny" how they are able to fool people. They are often smiling and personable, as W. Bush often appears, even endearing.. Amazing. Cold blooded sadists / killers / who get off when they sign a death warrant. They know how to fool people. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A - If you listen closely you can understand W Bush's often giving himself away - which they often have an inner compulsion to do? Either to show - off or for whatever reason [ something makes them? ] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be6tunbRcs8 -

IPleadThe2nd

The bush's are evil as it fucking gets! Starting with Prescott bush and all the way down! Check out Prescotts history to learn the kind of evil shit he was a part of

bopper

Right. And Bush (senior) was CIA since he was a young man. This can be proven, and he was a close associate of Oswald's CIA handler, this is documented as well.

bopper

"The powers in charge keep us in a perpetual state of fear keep us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor with the cry of grave national emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it by furnishing the exorbitant sums demanded. Yet, in retrospect, these disasters seem never to have happened, seem never to have been quite real." - Douglas MacArthur

party1981

Watch any Christopher Bollyn video on youtube and it will explain 9/11 pretty well.

The JFK assassination falls apart upon the slightest scrutiny too (watch a Jerome Corsi video on JFK, or the youtube video "From JFK to 9/11").

I didn't want to believe any of it either.

samhara

Chris Bollyn is not for real [ you will find many 'controlled op' along the way "What I Finally Understood" - http://mileswmathis.com/guru.pdf ] though he could be an alright "entry drug" into the study of "9/11." JFK may not be the close - to "Saint" people have been led to believe "If only he lived. If If If " Not. [Start with Lincoln to get a grip on the Kennedy ] Lincoln - http://mileswmathis.com/lincoln.pdf - JFK - http://mileswmathis.com/barindex2.pdf -

party1981

Can you give me a specific reason why he isn't real (whatever that means?)?

He says 9/11 was Mossad, same thing that FBIanon said. Or you don't agree with FBIanon either?

samhara

What I just wrote on another thread which speaks to the question :

"I don't agree with the YouTube vid I linked above - It claims Israel is behind it which is not true.. There are many nationalities involved. The "Neo-Cons" are not Jews, but belong to their own cult which is gay [homosexual] and secret.

Whoever made the vid is trying to blackwash the info as "anti - Semitic" Truth is I think England Bankers and German Bankers are much more behind it than "Israel" [Palestine] Truth is : England royals and English created "Israel" and Zionism. English Jews.. Honestly many alleged "Jews" are not practicing and believing Jews, but have some other allegiances. I'll try to find a better vid but its not easy with my site gone."

The historic "Israel" is not even where they are telling you.

party1981

Well I guess we can agree to disagree for now. Hard to know what the ground level truth is.

samhara

Of course people in our own government are going to blame it on "Israel" and the Mossad.. Mossad is very good at what they do, so they definitely needed Mossad for this.. It's also true some people who attend and sing at Syanagogue were given a tip not to go to work that day. The event was very long in planning.. Certainly the entire "Octopus" was involved. Rockefeller for certain. Bush, for certain. Here's one of the best text on "Who Did It" - http://www.septemberclues.info/historical.shtml - I have another list too.

party1981

I have yet to see evidence showing that Mossad didn't do it, with neocon permission, or that everyone involved wasn't either Israeli/banker.

Anyway, this is a forum about PG, not 911, so feel free to continue by private message.

samhara

Not sure how Mossad has control of Network News, New York City police, New York City mayor and D.A. .. I don't have to prove anything to you.. The "Jews Did It " thingy is a complete set- up / op . That's what "But Jews killed our Jesus" was invented for..

party1981

Fox News is owned by Murdoch, who parties with Epstein. Murdoch bought a bunch of newspapers with Rothschild money. Why do you think Megyn Kelly interviewed James A.?

I'm guessing Guiliani was compromised, but I don't really know. George Webb says that he slowfooted the Marc Rich investigation.

The theory isn't that nobody outside of Mossad worked on the case. The theory is that Mossad planned it, orchestrated it, heavily compartmentalized it, and used a small number of non-Israelis to help execute it. So let's not talk about a straw man. I know that Cheney and Guiliani aren't Jewish. That doesn't change the contradict the theory. FBIanon said the same thing.

samhara

Thinking about this : "Mossad" is a police force, they don't plan, they follow orders. It was U.S. think tanks, yes, "Neo-Cons" - http://www.septemberclues.info/historical.shtml -

And our very own "Military Industrial Complex"

They likely hired the Mossad cause they couldn't easily get Americans to do it to themselves..? And be too secret about it.

But they did put gag orders on the police and the fire department in NYC

So they needed other countries involved. Truly look at that link above and you see some names and you will be able to google some faces.. I'm getting ready to make lists. We've already made them. And I'm making them and updating

But how did "they" get all that power here- if it was truly a foreign power? Somebody, our people, fucked up? Right? The 9/11 Truth people went though all the delusional angst of "What will we do when it busts open?" over 10 years ago :

Here is Morgan Reynolds who held a position in the Cabinet of the Bush Administration:

"Second, what really is the worry? Isn’t this what we are working for, the prospect of justice obtained by exposure of the truth, the prospect of stopping the killers in their tracks? Yes, it is. Anyone fretting over the triumph of truth should ask this question: what do you do with a family dog who kills a family member? The dog was acquired to protect the family and instead it kills someone it was supposed to protect. The services of such a dog would no longer be required, to put it as gently as possible. That’s the situation we have with the DoD, NSA, CIA, FBI and a murderous array of government agencies, including the 9/11 Commission."

Yeh, let's blame it on the Jews, on Isreal - phst. Give me a break.

party1981

Mossad is not a police force. It's a secret intelligence organization, parallel to the CIA.

The problem with your theory is that it doesn't help the United States to spend $5 trillion fighting and destroying Israeli's enemies in the Middle East: Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, Iran, etc. But it makes perfect sense for a small country, with a high IQ, surrounded by enemies and threats, to ramp up Muslim false flags to rally the U.S. military to help protect it.

The other problem is that 9/11 happened after the heavily Israeli neoconservatives got into power. That indicates that Israel was controlling the U.S., not vice versa. If the U.S. was just hiring Mossad to pull off 9/11, you don't need to fill your federal government with Israeli-connected neoconservatives.

Nobody is saying that "the Jews did it" or that all Jews are bad. We're saying that Mossad is corrupt, the same way that the CIA is corrupt, and Mossad did 9/11, with the permission of neocons. Of course, there are Skull and Bones, Wall St., and secret society connections (Rothschild). But the evidence for Mossad doing 9/11 is overwhelming. Not just executing it, but planning it for decades, and planning it for obvious motivations that benefit Israel.

samhara

It's impossible for the "Mossad" to do 9/11 without the U.S. government. "The Risk of Winning: What Happens Once the 9/11 Sewer Opens Wide?" - https://nomoregames.net/2006/04/09/the-risk-of-winning-what-happens-once-the-911-sewer-opens-wide/ -

We are fighting a proxy war in the Mid - East not for the ostensible "Israelis" but for the British and German Zionist Bankers.

The "theory" as you call it, of "Israel " in charge of the U.S. is truly a Tail-Wags-the-Dog scenario. Here's from a Cabinet member of the Bush Admin: Morgan Reynolds, link above - from 10 years ago.

"Third, insiders are on the verge of going public. 9/11 was so “over the top,” so murderous, and the next event will be even bigger, that patriotism and conscience are working overtime among insiders to restore a semblance of sanity to our nation. In a hub-and-spoke conspiracy this large, most participants did not know in advance the scope of the planned “terrorist” event. On hindsight, some of the participants are appalled at what they participated in. They are going to spill the beans. Furthermore, virtually everyone across the world inside intelligence services, the military, airline pilots and other technical experts know full well that the U.S. government and selected outsiders did 9/11, not nineteen incompetent Arabs at the behest of a couple of cave dwellers in Afghanistan. Upshot? The dam is going to break, and probably sooner rather than later. There will be casualties on our side before the whole traitorous truth is broken wide open. Michael Zebuhr, a Clemson engineering graduate student and student member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth was murdered under highly suspicious circumstances in Minneapolis on March 18 and was almost certainly a 9/11 casualty. We are playing for the highest stakes imaginable. The sooner the truth breaks out in the open, the fewer innocent lives lost. So will justice be done? I strongly believe it will. Sure, some of the perpetrators will get away with their crimes, but we are going to win. The American commitment to an impersonal legal process is deep and wide, so I am not concerned about any kind of vigilantism or mob “justice.” Yes, we will have a “constitutional crisis” of sorts, but it is going to be orderly and peaceful. We need to think through what we are going to do with that victory. My initial thought is that we must safeguard the 9/11 convictions by removing one privilege from the presidency, namely, the presidential pardon of convicted criminals like those in the Iran-Contra scandal. The fact that presidents traditionally issue pardons on Christmas eve when almost no one is watching says all we need to know about their social value."

party1981

There was U.S. government involvement. I never said there wasn't. So, right off the bat, you are not accurately representing my view.

Your long quote doesn't refute anything I have written here, nor does it address the higher-level arguments I have made for Israeli motivations.

samhara

sorry if I missed your point or mis-represented you. I just don't agree that "It was the Israelis" - that's a very one - dimensional viewpoint and one that is bandied around quite a bit. The Israelis are puppets of Bankers.. Israel was put there for a purpose. They are not rulers of the larger scheme. If I'm not clear about your "higher level argument" maybe it's because it doesn't make sense?

party1981

If Israel did 9/11 because of bankers, like the Rothschilds, pulling its strings, then I agree with you. Obviously, we don't know the full ground truth of what happened. Of course, there are going to be many, many people inside of Mossad who puppets, who are either brainwashed, or raised since childhood, or blackmailed, into doing things that normal people wouldn't do.

samhara

Yes, and there are many in the U.S. who would do the same, for money or position. And many mercenaries who are employed by private companies, who were also involved.

samhara

It doesn't matter what you believe "makes sense" It matter what really happened. I can tell you haven't read the citation. - http://www.septemberclues.info/historical.shtml -

samhara

Mossad was involved, no doubt.. but were not the top planners. It's was likely out-sourced to them

Bollyn did not keep up with the research. He dropped out 10 years ago. When he came back it was the same bullshit; he had taken it no where. And he's on about "the Jews" this "the Jews" that.. And that is "blackwashing" .. I just wrote something about that "Jew Question" and I will copy and paste here. He also attacks good researchers.. I pay no attention to him since I already wrote him off years ago and do not trust him.. Him and Robert Steele..

party1981

There is evidence of Israelis planning a commercial airliner hitting a skyscraper in NYC for decades (about three different data points).

I am new to Bollyn, but I know that he moved to a different country and was assaulted and charged by the police, so that might have slowed him down.

samhara

They had American Drills on that day.. The fighter jets were sent out over Canada.. Nobody scrambled those alleged jets. That's not Mossad.

party1981

That was Cheney.

2impendingdoom

The LBJ mistress videos on youtube (she had a son with him) lays the JFK backstory all out. Why this happened in Texas is not coincidence.

JoJoVoat

I started watching this past weekend.... May try to finish it today. Very very interesting tho and very well put together

bopper

Some of the "JFK to 9/11" is a little off, on Kennedy. For a great history lesson take a day or two, if so inclined, and watch at least the first several hours of Evidence of Revision. Rare footage you won't see anywhere else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHb5X3fFhPw

party1981

It's the only JFK video I've seen - never looked into it before, so I had no way to vet it. Completely blew my mind. Multiple snipers, Mark Lane, body switching. It seems so obvious in hindsight.

samhara

So you are not going to catch up on it all in one afternoon.. There are 3 books from the '90's that are basically definitive.

FUNNY! THE LINKS ARE BANNED BY voat / So you will just have to google the titles. I also just got blocked from doing a search, by Google..which happened once before, i.e. yesterday. If there is nothing to hide, why censor? Lucky there are alt search engines available.. Somdbody's scared?

"Murder in Dealey Plaza: What We Know Now that We Didn't Know Then "

**Assassination Science : Experts Speak Out on the Death of JFK ** & **The Great Zapruder Film Hoax: Deceit and Deception in the Death of JFK **

samhara

People have been working on it for over 50 years, non-stop.. There are a lot of false "gateways" - It was super - designed, and the Intel pulled out all the stops for the cover-up, psy-op and mind control to get the public and younger generation to believe their stupid "Roger Rabbit" narrative.. The term "conspiracy theorists" was revealed to have been invented [via a FOIA request] by the Intel to dis-credit skeptics.

Fateswebb

That stuffs cool I'm not saying it's not, but let me show you this short video

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1aUM9QQXrDY

Best part is around 1:15 This Blevins guy is awesome and he has spotted shooters in the Nix film. (Standing behind zapruder)

There was at least one more shooter that can be seen in the lense flare of the zapruder film. But also the zapruder film was edited in big ways.. here is a video that proves this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PNsrGgyoIgo

Anyway these were some of the newer analysis I have seen that I found interesting. Seems to be actual physical proof to me that of course Oswald story is bs.

bopper

Indeed the Zapruder film has been tampered with.

party1981

The Oswald story is BS. The biggest way we know this is that Oswald had a CIA relationship. That is the golden thread behind most true political conspiracy theories. Oswald was CIA. Bin Laden was CIA. Hillary Clinton and Pizzagate are CIA (Mena Arkansas), etc. It's always CIA.

I will check out those videos.

bopper

Yeah I tell everyone always go back to the beginning, start w/ Mark Lane. Later move on to the autopsy. There was indeed a casket switch but officer Tippet being used as a double is demonstrably wrong. It gets deep. Research the autopsy. It is well-documented by Douglas Horne and others.

party1981

I will have to check it out. Although part of me wishes that Trump would clean house so we can all put this behind us and move on, save me the effort.

One thing people don't realize is that Trump is JFK's spiritual successor. Bannon made the entire transition team read the Best and the Brightest, about the mistakes of the Kennedy administration.

witch_doctor1

I'll check him out. Yeah, obviously JFK...I'm no fan of the Kennedy's (mainly because of Teddy, the only one not worth shooting)...but I watched a JFK speech on YT recently and damn...he would be way too conservative for any party right now. How far our politicians have fallen is stunning.

IPleadThe2nd

I never thought too much of JFK either until I listened to some of the last speeches he gave and learned that his last executive order was to create our own currency and essentially end the fed. He was killed right after and guess what the first EO his successor signed? To undo JFKs EO. I think he was a part of their club, but for whatever reason he woke up or had a change of heart. He tried to save us from our enslavement and they killed him.

party1981

Ted Kennedy gave us the 1965 Immigration Act.

DarkMath

The claim Hillary Clinton was stopped at the airport is horse shit.

party1981

Yeah it's from a tabloid, so I don't trust it at all.

heretolearn

um...fuck destabilization. let the whole truth come out. we need destabilized shit to happen. otherwise it's just more of the same bullshit dressed in sunday clothing.

edit: just wanna say, this thread has sparked some great info and conversation. thanks for posting op.

markrod420

You won't say that when your skin peels off from radiation. I hate the system. I hate their lies. I hate that 9/11 was perpetrated by our own govt. But more than all of those things I still love being alive.

heretolearn

i respect your view point. being alive has its benefits. with that in mind, i will gladly participate in the revolt on your behalf.

markrod420

Lol well you are braver than i. But if a massive release of information causes nuclear war to the full extent, There won't be a revolution. Just death.

NakatomiBaby

I agree. Changing this country is going to be painful. For all of us. The truth needs to come out. About everything...including 911

strix-varia

Imagine yourself in Syria if you can...that is destabilization. A little frightening, but we really do need to prepare for the worst.....

SomewhatNeutral

but will the us covertly intervene in the us?

samhara

They've already done that.

heretolearn

imo, i don't think we'll get as bad as syria.

strix-varia

Anything is possible, although it could take a long, long time. Just look at snottywood movies of pain and destruction. It's what "they" want.

Gorillion

I agree that this shit needs to be out there. But I don't believe it'll destabilize us. We're resilient. The majority of us smelled something was off, badly off, about Hillary. We're not children. We can be trusted to handle it.

We'll get angry, for sure. We'll demand the death penalty. But we need this. We need to face what's been going on. And we're not going to descend into chaos if we see justice, hard justice, served. In fact I think it would be a massive cultural bonding experience for The West in general.

samhara

It's so obvious they spread the story "But of course, *we all know it, but we can't tell *them because chaos would surface and our country would be destroyed" ; Which is an obvious self - serving lie! They love to hoax. They love to lie and they love to trick the suckers. They told the insiders that about JFK too. But any boob could tell the JFK line was a total joke. People just don't know how to think.. .And believe me, the perpetrators / jokers do not want anyone to learn!

I believe it's possible that the only reason any of the Pizza revelation has come about is because many harden killers, criminals, mobsters can't stand to know children are being hurt.

Trouble is: when you pull on a thread the whole sweather becomes unraveled. They work very hard to keep people dumb. It's been very successful.. Why ruin a good thing? Dunno.

Using 9/11 as a blackmail tool seems so ridiculous because it's anyway so obvious, on its face.

Votescam

Agree with your thoughts -- but they'd have to have some evidence about 9/11 to release. Not just "Hey, they did it!"

samhara

Perhaps better just to read text. They put "Morgan Reynolds" name on that vid and I'm uncertain it's even his. - https://vimeo.com/92612055#at=27 - Here's one for sure his since it's on his site. "We Have Some Holes in the Plane Story" - https://nomoregames.net/2006/03/05/we-have-some-holes-in-the-plane-stories/ - Morgan Reynolds 2006 - With researchers it's on-going and sifting of evidence.. I did the research on the "plane witnesses." Morgan did not.

It was not holograms.

The trajectories of the cartoon airplanes in the different vids do not match.. YouTube has taken down the large and complete collection of vids from that day, many years ago by now. Perhaps they will surface. I know people with Media jobs came up to me when I was passing out fliers and told me they had material which had not been released and which they share among themselves.. So it's possible the video will all surface.. The controlled opposition wants everyone who's figured out that the physics of the event is wrong, to solve the problem with holograms..

They are desperate that the role of the Media Trickery be hidden. It's important to them that the extent of Mass Media mind control be denied. Once people realize it, they will not have the power which they have now.

The sick perpetrators [Perp Traitors] main tool of control is the Mass Media, and they own it all.

Free Falling Bodies: Simple Physics Reveals The Big Lie" - https://nomoregames.net/2006/06/02/free-falling-bodies-simple-physics-reveals-the-big-lie/ - "What I finally Understood. " The role of the Media Stars / Shills and the Alt Media Guru-s - http://mileswmathis.com/guru.pdf -

Votescam

samhara -- I didn't look at your video links because I know there were no planes -- Though what they did to the reporter they sent to cover the Pentagon -- and he was there long before any story of a "plane" hitting -- finally they just forced him to deny his story. Name is Jamie McIntyre if I recall correctly. You can probably still catch his video where he is standing outside the Pentagon repeating over and over again "No plane hit the Pentagon." And, of course, it didn't. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Jamie+McIntyre%2FCNN+at+the+Pentagon+9%2F11

Yep - it's still there! McIntyre was there very early and he knew there was no plane.

The number of Americans who still trust our MSM/Fake News is dwindling very quickly -- you see that attitude on the internet every day. But they don't always carry that attitude over to 9/11. And I think it's because of the fake videos. Otherwise they have to admit that they weren't only lied to on 9/11, but that the networks used FAKE VIDEO to lie to them. That's the hard part for them to get over.

Thank you for your time with the links -- I find that when I get off the notification page, I lost posts. But, I'm with you -- 9/11 was a fake.

Now, let's get to the "moon landing" -- and the JFK, Jr. murder by plane.

:)

Plus

samhara

I have loads and loads of evidence and arguments and have spent double 10K hours over 13 years. The Forum I worked on, in a group effort, was defaced and vandalized Dec 10th, soon after I began linking my Pizza research over here; and soon after the viewer count doubled. The easiest proof is this: The Mass Media was in on it. They were reading scripts. An airplane can not fly through a wall and not break to pieces. An airplane can not hit a wall and not crush. An airplane is not Caspar the Ghost.. It's not top secret. It's right in front of everyone . That is the best evidence. But there is much more evidence. And the evidence that it was done by the alleged 19 hijackers: 100% missing, except for what was poorly fabricated.. Once you understand the premise: That everything you know about it you were told by the Mass Media.. And once you realize they were in on it, then everything will fall into place. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4d2Mt2a6iM - Here are the bona fide-s of Morgan Reynolds - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_Reynolds -

Votescam

Agree with you completely - They are cowards and only violence brings them to power. Propaganda of lies, stolen elections, assassinations/murders.

When the public understands how betrayed they have been by MSM, it will be a very happy day!

:) Keep on tellin' it!!

samhara

I don't agree with the YouTube vid I linked above - It claims Israel is behind it which is not true.. There are many nationalities involved. The "Neo-Cons" are not Jews, but belong to their own cult which is gay [homosexual] and secret.

Whoever made the vid is trying to blackwash the info as "anti - Semitic" Truth is I think England Bankers and German Bankers are much more behind it than "Israel" [Palestine] Truth is : England royals and English created Israel and Zionism. English Jews.. Honestly many alleged "Jews" are not practicing and believing Jews, but have some other allegiances. I'll try to find a better vid but its not easy with my site gone.

Destroyer_of_Worlds

One can only remain stable for so long if the economy decides otherwise.

Don't get me wrong though, I am 100% in favor of traversing this rabbit hole as far as it goes regardless of how horrific things become as it almost assuredly will be necessary for things to get worse before they get better. IMO, exposing the entirety of the truth remains necessary if we truly want as much justice as is possible in this life.

Votescam

Agree with those who are for "all out" -- and that includes everything -- The human/child/organ trafficking is the most emotional and urgent, of course -- but so much more corruption. George Webb/YouTube has been very helpful there.

We have to understand that economies are created by the people -- but they are manipulated by financial institutions, banks, for the benefit of the few.

We have to stop cooperating with capitalism, stop funding it.

samhara

The truth is very easy. It's lies that need a lot of work. That's why these assholes can never rest.

From "Obama's Geneology" by Miles Mathis "I was recently asked [] how I stay sane. I told him he was asking the wrong question. The question is how all the people who don't know the truth stay sane. The answer is, they don't. It is being caught in the Matrix that drives you insane. It is the blue pill that causes insanity, not the red pill. The truth can be painful, and sometimes be temporarily disorienting. But it is the lies that cause permanent disorientation, and eventual insanity. The truth, however painful, is clarifying. "

bopper

Nicely put.

heretolearn

100% agreed. the truth won't break us as a nation.

samhara

They tell that as a lie to excuse their ""shhhhhhhhhhh" but don't scare the children."

Give me a break Please.

It's an old Propaganda boring saw they bring out to excuse their lies and complicity: "They can't take the truth"

Yeah, sure sure.. tsh.

remedy4reality

Why do you and others have the view that this all ends with Hillary? The CIA, FBI, Judiciary, Police Forces, Politicians, charities, business leaders and media are all COMPLICIT.

Votescam

True, but what's above Royalty? Once you've reached level of British Royals, who are the higher ups? This nation has been thoroughly betrayed -- from the Constitution to Operation Mockingbird -- which has to be linked with Operation Paperclip and Operation Gladio in order to understand the total effect and total betrayal. This stuff was being written two years before the end of WWII and was then run out of the CIA under Allen Dulles. Essentially the German Gestapo was brought here as the CIA -- WWII hasn't ended yet.

After that, it's taken a great deal of right wing violence to keep all of this covered up and the assassinations, black jobs have continued on and on.

Consider that the stuff that's above top secret -- about nuclear codes, etal -- is Roswell/UFO stuff - ET's. Some of them quite nasty as some tell us.

Links -- See: Operation Mockingbird — scroll down to “History” — which was being written two years before the end of WWII.

See: Operation Paperclip — Wiki’s figures are low — at the minimum 64,000+ which included families but more likely 200,000 according to Kay Griggs/YouTube.

See: Operation Gladio — US program to keep right wing governments in place in the countries over which they had control after WWII — Germany, Japan, Italy. In Italy, US actually resurrected the Mafia in order to ensure the plan would be carried out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

remedy4reality

great information -- I am familiar with all of it. Yes, it's a monster we are facing.

samhara

They all give their consent . Yes! And they only are planning to arrest 72, according to the informant.. So that will not cover it all, by any measure.. So they will be playing "musical chairs" .. I'll tell you who *my favorites are.. I 'm making a list but just didn't have time today.

It's not just 9/11 - its the whole fake "War on Terror" - These staged events have stopped since Trump came in, and I think they will not re-start..All they can afford now for their staged Propaganda is the random alleged hate crime. They just don't have the budget now.

Even with all the money Soros and the Rothschilds possess, they will only be able to do little ones ["terror events"], having no longer the backup of Homeland Security, FEMA , and the Military.

If you don't think there has been a long list of staged "Project Gladio" - style events? You better get more abreast of the rackets they are pulling.. And without the Pedophilia - and the sado - pedophilia, they may never have been able to get this far with their idiocy..

remedy4reality

Within 5 minutes of popping the lid off PG I knew how 9/11 and all the false flags were pulled off. I always suspected blackmail was used and had been aware of the Franklin Scandal since it broke when I was in college, but that was the Eureka moment for me. You're right, without the consent of the President, domestic false flags will grind to a halt and move abroad ( Canada ).

crystalclearme

This has become so crystal clear to increasing numbers of people and it in a way seems to be stalling at the current level of idiocy since inauguration. I lost heart when I saw FBI anon expected number of arrests as it is clear those are not even close to the number of people needing to be arrested. Hoping it is just a start. The media is the clog in draining the swamp

nomorepepperoni

Don't know about you, but I'd rather not become the country who collapses into a nightmare that other countries want to prop up on one side or the other and fight over, like we've been doing to Middle Eastern countries.

If FBIAnon was serious about the extent of this, it needs to be a controlled demolition that eventually does root all the swamp dwellers out, rather than an overt desk flip.

Blackkcalb

This sounds responsible, but, the FBI has been for many years enabling and covering up this stuff. How can you trust them, who is to say that they are not part of a black mail operation, just like in the FBI early years. It has to be full hammer, with the FBI also brought to justice for their part in these scandals. Then maybe they can mysteriously find those 80 videos that accidentally disappeared of the OKC bombing, compliments of Eric Holder and Bill Clinton.

eyeVoated

Lol, that's exactly what the illuminati has been planning for hundreds of years. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/index.htm#menu

Fateswebb

Well exactly, this is the exact business plan that Soros has, cause enough turmoil to take over a country and completely pillage it. We can't allow that to happen or our fighting of the beast leads directly into its mouth.

DeathToMasons

A clever way of saying it is safer to not expose things so we can avoid chaos. Bullshit is all I have to say to you. Only the guilty want crimes hidden. Safety is for cowards who would allow others to be brutalized so nothing happens to them.

Fateswebb

I think the whole point flew way the fuck over your head. I didn't say that and now you're putting words into my mouth. I was not saying do not expose things, what I was saying is to do so in a smart way. Those who play chess and come out and attack one piece at a time lose, it's a loss of timing... if you develop each piece and concentrate on the center then you can win.. throwing one piece at a time at then in an uncoordinated attack does nothing but allow your offense to fizzle and you eventually run out of steam and lose. Its all about timing dude.

bopper

Drudge has a headline on Repubs who took money from Soros.

Destroyer_of_Worlds

This is dead on accurate. People should look into CSC/DynCorp which has the pillaging part down to a fine art.

On second thought -- Maybe do not look too close though unless you want to be "suicided" via two shots to the head or to "accidentally" pass away via a freak free weights mishap or even be "Paul Walkered" if they happen to be in an especially creative mood.

ZalesMcMuffin

You have internet in your grave?

TheSeer

Look, America has already been taken over and pillaged. Those are the shackles we are trying to shake off! And if the whole thing has to be burned to the ground, in order for us to rebuild, we have to stand ready to see that occur. Remember the phoenix rising from the ashes?

I realized a few years ago my anxiety about 'saving the world' was misplaced, because the world in its current form is not worth saving.

heretolearn

i disagree. putting time and distance between situations gives the guilty party time for others to forget. i don't want to know about something 30 years after the fact. i want to know now. and i want justice now.

nomorepepperoni

I understand and respect that, but I didn't mean wait 30 years, either. Blow out a few, wait for them to be replaced, blow out the next bunch, and so on.

YingYangMom

Don't know about you, but I'd rather not become the country who collapses into a nightmare that other countries want to prop up on one side or the other and fight over, like we've been doing to Middle Eastern countries.

I think it's good to have this feeling in a way. It makes us feel more empathic towards other less powerful countries and the 'unfair' fates they've been forced to live and endure. Somehow, Qaddafi, Hussein and Assad don't seem as despotic and as tyrannical as they once did.

party1981

Of course they're not that bad. They're bad, of course, the same way we all are.

But they also become targets for total exploitation from the CIA and Soros.

2impendingdoom

But they are put in by the CIA, for the purpose of being exploited or later taken out. Saddam Hussain kept 3 different factions reined in better than what's there now (chaos) and we know he had mustard gas because Rumsfeld sold it to him in the 80's. I was told this by an ex-marine, I don't have a source but I don't think its farfetched.

party1981

I heard that same thing. I think the gas was discovered around 2013. A lot of people haven't heard of this. It's funny because it turns out Saddam really did have WMD. Nobody talks about this (it's kind of irrelevant - neocon/CIA topples and exploitation of Middle East countries is a horrible idea either way).

2impendingdoom

but the anthrax, the aluminum tubes, the mobile units, the yellow cake was all bullshit, but the gas was okay, because anyone who looked into it would have found the Rumsfeld connection.

bopper

I thought they hated us because of our freedom.

nitro169

I get it, just as I hate hillary for her freedom.

samhara

They do. But "They" is not who we were told it is. "Evil has found a willing servant" but it's not the Muslims - https://vimeo.com/109878215 -

bopper

Zionism right? Or something else? Or a combo? Man that looks like one weird movie they're showing. And that beheading (what in the world is that from?) is gonna give me nightmares!

Of course there is a difference between power hungry banker and money-loving Zionist, and Talmudic Jews, and other 'common' Jewish people. My main problem w/ the Jewish 'faith' (or at least the leaders thereof), would be that they rejected Christ, their Messiah, and have suffered because of it.

samhara

In my opinion the "Jews killed our Jesus" is Propaganda to keep who love G-d fighting each other; meanwhile the real "fallen angels" can do their thing unopposed.

bopper

I disagree, but I hear what you're saying. I do believe in fallen angels, they are the demons mentioned in the NTestament.

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

YingYangMom

Is that what you were told? I believe you've been punked lol

2impendingdoom

our freedom to destroy and rape them. To behave as imperialists while claiming a moral high ground. All the people (I know a Veitnam Vet specifically with this position) who "defend the troops" actually think its so that we have the right to burn the flag!

YingYangMom

Exactly.

bopper

Exactly the response I was aiming for. So good to hear from people that know the truth. It is sad that we have become a rogue nation.

party1981

This is exactly right. BTW "controlled demolition" seems comically ironic in this context.

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES

It is extremely likely that only first responders died from radiation poisoning. This low reality death count (50-100 max) was necessary to get some of our intelligence agencies on board. Suspend your disbelief. The goal of 9/11 was to cover up Project Hammer and missing Pentagon dollars, and to pit the population with the most guns and largest military on Earth, with Islam (unambiguous religion that poses large threat to "their" slave society).

This agenda hopefully ends with Trump (hopefully pure globalist opposition).

Dmitri Khalezov is a go-to USSR nuclear worker/officer on the matter:

http://www.911thology.com/nexus1.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUnjbCxhXh4

Simon Shack (Italian computer graphics analyst) painstakingly runs you through the shitty "live" computer graphics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gORu-68SHpE

Basically, CIA turned a blind eye to the Mossad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68LUHa_-OlA

This fits into the whole masonic order owning the world thing: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1491256

party1981

I agree with all of this, but it's important to remember that 9/11 had been planned by Mossad for decades.

The missing DOD trillions goes to the CIA/drug/topple operation, I think.

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES

The DOD trillions were used in operation hammer to dismantle the USSR exactly 10 years earlier.

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES

No :/ I sent video.

party1981

I will check it out.

party1981

I've never heard of Operation Hammer. Will have to research more.

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_fp5kaVYhk

This researcher doesn't know that the planes didn't exist, and he doesn't know about the tactical nukes under the buildings, but ALL the connections are here.

CynicalLurker

The planes did exist. How can you claim otherwise when there are literally thousands of eye witnesses?

bopper

It goes deep, it was indeed CGI trickery.

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES

shhhhhhhhhhhhh babe. Watch the videos. Is okie.

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES

I don't want a website of bullshit about people who know what happened. Look at the fucking facts. Watch the video with Simon Shack. They literally copied and pasted the towers from video to video lol, and changed the background. It is laughable. No holograms. No planes. Just really shitty CGI which was aired as supposedly being "live", some explosives, and a shit ton of actors and "amateur videos" released over the period of 2 years.

bopper

They weren't tactical nukes. Where's the rubble? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdBQOe85i3M

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES

The rubble is sitting in a pit.

bopper

If you're open-minded you should at least check out Dr. Judy Wood. She seems to be correct as to how the bldgs. came down. Just a suggestion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzXKrQs9SN8

isthisreality

Hahaha thank you. If I ever see a 9/11 post on 4chan I always just type in "Hutchison Effect" on the thread and leave lol. You are one of the very few people I have ever seen mention her.

bopper

Good to hear from you. Thank-you!

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES

When a nuclear bomb goes off 70 meters below the ground, its heat simply vaporizes the surrounding granite. The buildings then fell into this vertical crater. 250,000 people have cancer because they thought that the radiation wouldn't get above ground. They were retarded.

bopper

What you're talking about is 'kinetic' energy, it would have been incredibly destructive. What Dr. Woods hypothesizes is that it was a precise surgical hit, by an energy weapon. Thus the buildings appear to be vaporizing and smoldering (turning to dust) rather than collapsing in on themselves.

This preserved the Hudson River dam next to the towers, which would have flooded Manhattan had it been breached. The dust made the first responders and others ill. You should check her out, I have come to believe she has it right, as do others (who are not busy ostracizing her).

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES

No. It was a thermonuclear weapon underneath the buildings. This aligns with isotope studies, especially tritium concentrations in the water, which can only be explained by a nuclear event, not by lasers or regular bombs. This is why 250,000 people have cancer.

bopper

I will check out the clips you posted.

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES

Thanks

User890020

Indeed. This timeline offers a unique opportunity.

Gorillion

Seriously, we have to give this timeline or "Earth" a label of some kind. It's shaping up to be fucking amazing.

Anybody know any good Bible chapter and verse numbers based around the trashing of Sodom and Gomorrah? Or some other situation where someone was diverted from the brink?

I'm not Religious myself, but I know this stuff pisses off "progressives". Like a Crucifix against Vampires.

samhara

The other Biblical story that comes to mind:

The Revelation / Apocalypse comes at the end of the book . The Genesis comes at the beginning.. They are the book ends which frame the story.

The Satanists who created their domination of the planet love to invert things. So instead of "Revelation to Paradise" They give us "Paradise to Revelation / and therefor destruction" However when "Revelation" comes it will only destroy their ugly little spider - like corner.

Genesis is about the beauty of Creation and what was given to us; its perfection, vastness, stunning in its comprehensive dimensions and full richness.

The human was created by "them" as part of that completeness and perfection of the entire Creation. "And it was Good"

Human as created in the image of Creator was told not to refrain from evil - and when human did so anyway, was thrown out of Paradise and cursed.

It's the same sons and daughters of Cain, the same creepy idiots , then and now..

As my brother said the other week, "Flood didn't do the trick"

bopper

Yes.

It's the same sons and daughters of Cain, the same creepy idiots , then and now..

samhara

I'm not sure of your suggestion, but the obvious Biblical reference to what is happening now, a quickening of awareness, an awakening: obviously? Revelation.. People are recognizing what is going on around them .. Also , Apocalypse, which does not mean "destruction" except for those who are welded to the "evil business as usual" - The word means "dropping of the veil" - in other words "Destruction of Delusion / Illusion"

That is: because the old world is destroyed, not physically. A new perception arises which changes the world.

The veil is dropped from in front of the eyes and the truth is seen.

Each of us live in a world molded in large part by who our information sources are: so when the false perception of the world is destroyed and changed, the world is thereby changed , though nothing physically is harmed.

And this analogy of the clarification of vision is accompanied by the rising of the Great Beast from the Water - so that it can be seen for what it is.. That Monster is the "Octopus" When it rises from the water it can be seen. When it can be seen, it can be destroyed.

bopper

"So shall they fear the name of the Lord from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him."

2impendingdoom

how is pissing off "progressives" supportive of your end game? You cannot still think that this is a "party issue", the corruption benefits and is conducted by both sides.

witch_doctor1

I think ya'll are kinda saying the same thing as far as progressive/globalist vs. nationalist/populist...it just that we are in very short supply of nationalist/populist politicians. No such thing as Republican or Democrat anymore IMO.

party1981

Also, it might not be a coincidence that the first #vault7 tweet has a picture of a see storage vault in Antarctica.

David Seaman has been talking about Antarctica for a while, but I have no idea what is there or how it connects to 9/11 or #pizzagate.

neurofluxation

Antartica has has a LOT of visits from VIPs recently.
- John Kerry,
- Groups of women for womens rights,
- A group of WA Academics,
- Some of the Royal Family, including Prince Harry
- Spanish Royalty,
- Buzz Aldrin (Remember his tweet )?

And more notably (given this subverse): Bill Clinton

Also. this article - Entitled "WILL PRESIDENT TRUMP DISCLOSE ANTARCTICA DISCOVERY TO START ECONOMIC BOOM?". Obviously not a reputable source... But there are various articles about, none from the MSM (of course).

party1981

Yeah, when people start talking about breakaway civilizations, I start to get really depressed. It's like living in Moonraker, but there's no James Bond.

Unless Trump continues to surprise us...

neurofluxation

Ahh, Moonraker - I did a (somewhat) fun Mandela Effect analysis here - enjoy :)

party1981

I will check this out.

neurofluxation

It's rough but it was fun to write

nomorepepperoni

Was a photo of a vault in Norway though, IIRC.

party1981

You are correct. My mistake.

Islamiscancer

just release the 9/11 stuff as well.

If they get the Pizzagate arrests, and then dont release those doc's... Then they are just as responsible as those in power.

True, they would never be able to play that card again - but the people/public would know to Trust wikileaks and they would get that power..

anyway, kill all niggers and kid fuckers.

2impendingdoom

the niggers aren't your enemy. Maybe you've personally had issues with individuals but that wouldn't justify killing all of them. The current political system is designed to create animosity and distraction while the real policy is instituted that rewards the rich and corrupt. The enemy is the rich and corrupt, we would do better to enlist the niggers as allies to help take down the corruption.

Islamiscancer

Genetics dont care if you are rich or poor. They only care about your genes and the person genes with which you intend to birth a child.

Niggers arent my enemy. But they are a massive ball and chain atrapped to humanities ankle.

They are also a threat to every white person around. Even the dumbest (shittest gene'd) white is better than the average nigger.

"Oh but theres a smart nigger here and there!" Like that somehow makes it worth it to keep niggers around?

Niggers were good farm equipment. Nothing else. They provide nothing else. They just take and breed and take and breed.

You cant undo millenia of breeding garbage into the genepool. It cant be done.

And while the Jews and their version of "capitalism" is certaintly skewed to favour the rich - its a system we will never abandon - unless we get nuclear hellfire - and even in that case, as soon as individual populations pass Dunbars number we will see a new form of capitalism instated.

No my friend, genetic hygiene is the only thing that can save us now.

JustObserving

What a clever way of proving how PG is just the work of the Alt-Right. You certainly are a master shill.

Islamiscancer

Great Job Debating! You sure stunned your Opponent with your intellect.

Kill All Niggers.

Mad_As_Hell

Are you seriously advocating eugenics? Can't you see that this subverse is all about how the most powerful in society are secretly eliminating the most vulnerable (many if not most of whom happen to be brown) for kicks on a global scale? What makes you any better than them if you want to wipe out an entire race of people through some misplaced notion of superiority?

Islamiscancer

You know what Eugemics are right? Then you know that that Superiority is not misplaced.

And yes, advocating Eugenics. Or Racial Hygience as its known in German.

Cause why would i want to drag my peoples collective genes through a pit of AIDs and Shit?

FuckReddit69

Judging by your username and your above comments, im gonna go ahead and assume you make GROSS generalizations often.

I think your in the wrong sub mate.

party1981

So much of modern dysfunction in African American communities is caused by government policies and corruption. Just look at what the CIA did to Haiti (watch George Webb). Or read the letter that the FBI wrote to MLK, before it (probably) assassinated him. African Americans were well integrated into U.S. society, and have the deepest roots here with Anglos and native Americans. Their society was partially destroyed by FBI and government corruption, and it is possible to restore their communities into a healthier condition. Thomas Sowell wrote a lot about this.

2impendingdoom

Thank you, the CIA drug war and mass incarceration downward spiral certainly doesn't help.

party1981

I don't want the government to release 9/11 files if that results in Israel incinerating me, my family, and my dogs in nuclear hellfire.

crystalclearme

Don't think it will happen. Location location location -- they'd become glass

Islamiscancer

Let the Jews rule over the ashes. Id rather burn and die than let this world continue on any further.

Kill All Humans! Or just Kill All Niggers, Muslims, Indians, Pakistanis, Brown Shitskins and SJWs and Jees too, but tbh thats debatable.

party1981

Whatever

bopper

I laughed when I saw your response :)

Islamiscancer

them debating skills.

Joke. But whatever man, thats just like, your opinion man.

party1981

You're entitled to your opinion and your free speech. But there is a difference between race realism and racism, and your racist views are disgusting, and they embarrass the entire forum and the citizen investigation that we do.

Islamiscancer

not an argument. also Racism doesnt exist.

Speciesism does though.

Your opinion is irrelevant. Your empathy for SubHumanSpecies is irrelevant.

Racism is not real.

podesta4prison

There isn't just one measure of value. For example, you seem to be lacking in wisdom. It takes all kinds, just not pedophiles/human traffickers.

Islamiscancer

What a comeback! Im stunned.

Great Mental Gymnastics there..

gb2Reddit..

Kill All Niggers and Subumans!

JustObserving

Maybe dark-skinned people don't exist but are actually white people who appear brown to you. Think about it

Islamiscancer

thats as retarded as reddit..

implying genetic differences are not real.

Great thought!

2impendingdoom

I think that's the point.

bopper

heh (this guy is advocating murder :)

2impendingdoom

don't fall for being baited by a shill, this one sounds like a meth head.

bopper

Haha, let me check his teeth. I was giving him some rope to hang himself with. (And admittedly having a little fun.)

2impendingdoom

the shills are fun little toys, but sometimes they cause me to miss good threads. :(

endview

Whatever man, you are entitled to your racist opinion but I don't think the majority of ANY ethnic population would agree. IMO, your type of talk gives us all a bad name.

Islamiscancer

Racist is a non-word. It has no real meaning.

Im a Speciesist. Niggers are a Sub Sapien Species.

And who cares what the majority of anything thinks? Unless they are all privvy to the same level of learning its a moot point and you look like a retard making that point.

Most Niggers wouldnt agree to being a genocided - self interest

Most chinks wouldnt agree to entire Nigger genocide - actually they probably would.

Most whites wouldnt agree - no shit. What is brainwashing, virtue signalling and confirmation bias.

You argument is not an argument and it makes you make us all look bad.

bopper

I understand the 'kernel' of what you're saying about race(s). But you'll catch more flies w/ honey.

Islamiscancer

Races dont exist. Only Species. \ The truth is not about Honey or Vinegar. Its about the Truth and those intelligent enough to comprehend it. \ Kill All Niggers and other Shitskins.

bopper

Just refer them to the book "The Bell Curve." You're not going to win over anybody as far as eugenics and multicultural Babylon the way you're going about it.

Islamiscancer

You would be surprised how many people ive "won" over.

Its hard for most people to argue in the face of science and facts.

But im also a pretty charismatic person and quite good at debating.

bopper

Okay, but you're a little too 'in your face' for most people. I do understand the ethnic problems.

Islamiscancer

this is the internet. theres no real room for tone or inflection. and you cant back and forth on the internet like IRL.

On the internet im just about getting the point out.

kill all niggers

party1981

Some people spill over from "Israeli's Mossad is corrupt, and certain secret societies/families are corrupt, just like our CIA is corrupt" into full blown "I hate all the Jews and they control the planet."

Bill_Murrays_Sandals

Thank goodness for Wikileaks to keep the pressure on

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES

You don't necessarily need wikileaks:

It is extremely likely that only first responders died from radiation poisoning. This low reality death count (50-100 max) was necessary to get some of our intelligence agencies on board. Suspend your disbelief. The goal of 9/11 was to cover up Project Hammer and missing Pentagon dollars, and to pit the population with the most guns and largest military on Earth, with Islam (unambiguous religion that poses large threat to "their" slave society). Additionally, it served as a symbolic masonic event, with symbolism beyond my understanding.

Dmitri Khalezov is a go-to USSR nuclear worker/officer on the matter:

http://www.911thology.com/nexus1.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUnjbCxhXh4YouTube

Simon Shack (Italian computer graphics analyst) painstakingly runs you through the shitty "live" computer graphics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gORu-68SHpEYouTube

Basically, CIA turned a blind eye to the Mossad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68LUHa_-OlAYouTube

This fits into the whole masonic order owning the world thing: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1491256

samhara

And 9/11 was a Ritual event; The focusing of the intent and emotion of millions was part of what they do.

Love to hoax. And they massively "got off," likely literally, on the hoax factor of the "event"

Sure people died, but it was a ritual sacrifice, that's what they love; like they do on a smaller scale with children.

samhara

I'm not on board with the Nuke faction of researchers but the fact it was faked / done as a Propaganda tool to get people ready for war; by the Neo - Cons "Project for a New American Century" is just easily shown .

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES

Nukes.

Narcissism

Check out Channel Zig Zag 15th anniversary on YT. He says the towers came down using uncontained Nuclear Fussion.

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES

aka a neutron/nuclear bomb

gAvenger

Not only do the two towers invoke the Masonic pillars, but WTC had an unambiguous Masonic third pillar on the grounds. The symbolism of the pillars as the gate to the new world is unequivocal. Frightening really. The implication was that the towers were design with the intent that someday they would be brought down. Makes me wonder if the engineering was selected for controlled demolition in the first place- i.e.: strategic weak points built into the structure. These fuckers.

Votescam

No -- reports are the WTC towers were going to have to be brought down as they were put up -- with scaffolding which would have cost a huge amount of money. There's precedent for this as one of the NYC towers has been brought down this way. Unfortunately, I no longer have the info on that and couldn't turn it up in a search so probably difficult for you to believe -- but true. But, the WTC towers were to be brought down because of Asbestos problems -- they were also White Elephants which weren't renting. Heating and cooling the buildings were an immense problem. Demolition wasn't to be permitted.

The WTC towers were built to withstand not just one commercial jetliner flying into it but a number of them.

Notice that they've scrubbed references to "built to withstand a number of jets flying into them." And that's true as the designers made clear after 9/11 -- describing it as "flies flying into a screen door." WTC Towers Designed to Withstand Impact of Loaded Boeing 707
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fQlC2AIWrY http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html

gAvenger

I mean, they were secretly designed with a weak spot. I'm certain that the towers fell because of explosives internally at these weak spots.

Votescam

No -- that's completely untrue.

The WTC towers were designed to withstand more than one commercial jet fully loaded flying into it. The designers made clear that it would be like flies flying into a screen door. They had the example of the plane which flew into the Empire State Building and well knew that they WTC had to be extremely safe or they would not be rented or supported.

gAvenger

Yeah I mean, they designed it such that a very deliberate internal sabotage would make it fall in on itself.

Votescam

The WTC were built to withstand any number of commercial airliners flying into it. What brought the towers down was demolition and probably some other stuff -- possibly nuclear -- they were testing.

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES

According to the Russian officer, they were intended to be brought down with nukes, when they were built. That's why it worked so well. It was the designed method.

party1981

I think he believes in some kind of extreme "Wikileaks is Mossad" theory.

SeanBox

This is exactly where my thinking took me but you wrote it out very well.

Singleservename

Lol Wikileaks will never publish anything that could harm Israel and its racist expansionism. Everybody should know that by now, and why.

party1981

Well, if the FBI starts making #pizzagate arrests, WL won't have to release.

derram

https://archive.is/MDiXt :

Breaking Report: Pizzagate / Pedo Crackdown May Be Happening Today - Clintons allegedly apprehended, with Hillary trying to leave the country : conspiracy

https://archive.is/L3UuE :

A NATION CHALLENGED: THE VAULT; Below Ground Zero, Silver and Gold - The New York Times

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