2impendingdoom

I don't know what this summa is and i'm busy today

2impendingdoom

whatever, are you trying to intimidate me? am I suppose to be afraid of something? whats the point of this? whatever you seem to need so desperately, you'll not be getting from me.

2impendingdoom

can you prove it? No. its all just speculation. I see no sense worrying about it, I worry about the here and now, god can take care of himself.

2impendingdoom

You seem to be confusing apathy with skepticism, I'm okay with not knowing about afterlife because to find out for sure would mean killing myself and I have other things I'd rather do.

2impendingdoom

Your belief that you are better than me convinces me that you are not secure or accurate. I don't feel the need to push my beliefs on others, I am confident in my own thinking, and I allow others to land where they find themselves out of respect for their experience which will never be the same as mine. you are starting to sound like some one who prays on the weak, tries to undermine them for some sense of superiority.

2impendingdoom

I don't have anything to do with confessionals, but I can see how using secrecy allows the corruption to infiltrate the church and now it is overwhelmed with pedos bound to secrecy. so that's a problem.

2impendingdoom

sorry I don't know what you are refering to. I'm not on that thread.. I am investigating here for justice in real time by humans for the victims of corruption and abuse. If god has a plan, that's not something I know anything about.

2impendingdoom

can't thing of any part that sits right. except maybe god being 'the word', if you interpret that as language in a general way. The ability to communicate such as we are now works for me, maybe language itself is an instrument of god or is god, I'm not sure that the bible is generally interpreted that way, but other than that, I am happy thinking for myself.

2impendingdoom

I just don't believe it. old testament, jesus story, too many details just don't make sense. I don't believe it now, and never believed it as a child. Yes, my grandmother was upset. but it doesn't work for me and god wants it that way.

2impendingdoom

I'm inclined to think any group that uses secrecy does so for nefarious ends. This obviously includes national security which as JFK put it, is an anathema to the constitution. State secrets prevent a proper democracy from being able to function. And religion is basically a population control mechanism based on shared belief so a group that operates in secrecy, well, it generally turns out to be about corruption, power and money, and not much spiritual matters.

carmencita

Thank You. That is why we have made progress. We all help in our own way.

2impendingdoom

sorry, hate when people try to tell me what to do. I want people to be accountable for their crimes, I don't see it as a religion issue. Thats all. I am sure you are very kind, probably a better person than me.

2impendingdoom

no

2impendingdoom

No we are not on the same page, I do not abide by waiting for god to intervene, crimes committed by people deserve justice by people served warm and timely.

2impendingdoom

So is the church giving back the innocence of childhood to the young victims that are raped by priests? I don't think so. The church is selling off property to pay for damages and court settlements. The secrecy and pathology of the church is its own downfall. You can't preach grace of god while groping a kid's crouch. sorry. never. not in a million years. this is not about theology. this is about morality, crime and punishment. Justifying or sheilding pedophila is just as bad as being one. I do not believe that your god provides children on this earth for the benefit of abusive pervy priests.

2impendingdoom

there is no guarantee that anyone will burn in hell, but you can stop the guy from murdering someone else.

2impendingdoom

I believe in Justice for victims and punishment for criminals who abuse the vulnerable. Anything less perpetrates the system. As for an afterlife, I have no idea, and I'm okay not knowing. I will either find out when the time comes or it won't matter. I do find that birds show up for me in inexplicable ways that I do not consider coincidence.

2impendingdoom

If find it hard to believe the Church cares about victims when it creates so many. We don't all have to be Jesus.

2impendingdoom

I don't need to look up martin luther on wiki, I actually went to school. You seem only concerned about the wellbeing and fate of the sinner in his/her afterlife without any regard to the suffering of the victim. You do realize that when a child is raped, it destroys that persons life, sometimes permanently. My logical fallacies start because I wonder why would anyone need forgiveness and secrecy if there were no crimes.

DustyRadio

The FSSP is a great order. I have numerous Audio Sancto homilies I saved on MP3 before they closed the site. Fr. Wolfe is excellent as well as Fr. Isaac (though he is a friar, not FSSP). That is our go-to for TLM.

Fr. Z's blog is pretty decent. I try not to read anything Francis says or does tbh. It isn't good, but as St. John Eudes said, we get the priests we deserve, and a sign of God's terrible anger is a people being sent bad priests. That includes popes as well. The 100 year Fatima anniversary will be interesting. Most Sunday Catholics aren't aware of it really and the general population dismisses Mary out of hand, however, to us we are preparing spiritually and with penances as we do for Lent and Easter. Noah worked for 100 years on the ark while being ridiculed and ignored according to things I have read. Father Richard Heilman has called for a "return to Ninevah". We are doing it here. https://www.romancatholicman.com/100th-anniversary-fatima-may-13-time-nineveh-thing/

2impendingdoom

pizzagate isn't about theology, its about routing out corrupt behavior and abuse of children

2impendingdoom

Your argument, this obligation to secrecy and easy forgiveness for high crimes shows, actually supports, the internal shielding and rampant pathway for pedophilia. This is not a problem? leaders of a community allowing others or themselves to get away with murder (or rape)? Youre forgiven so its okay? Not so okay with the victims.

Martin Luther sparked hundreds of years of religion wars for objection to the practice of indulgences (cash for sin forgiveness), the Church certainly had a hard time with that sheep.

2impendingdoom

Georgetown U. is jesuit and (perhaps only related to geography) very many of our suspects lists have affiliations. Also because podesta works there and the emails overlap (the beanie babies one for example) but now the Seattle judge against Trump's immigration ban has Georgetown degree. The Church is heavily involved in perpetrating and hiding this shit. Also, what is the whole purpose of "confession" except to have blackmail fodder over a population? Why does a religion need to know your sins? On the face of it, its totally irrational, yet nobody questions this.

DustyRadio

Thank you for the response. I have posted before in threads about the Communist infiltration of the Church and Bella Dodd but received no interest. I also posted regarding the Freemason mimic groups Knights of Malta and Knights Templar which are secret society ripoffs of genuine Catholic orgs. The Freemasons (as you know) infiltrated the Church and sent out a manifesto regarding how to destroy it. I think it's really hard for some people to overcome the hate programming they have constantly had since childhood regarding the Catholic Church or the "former Catholics" who were terribly catechized in the 70-90's and hate the Church because they never knew it properly. Archbishop Sheen was right on the money.

IlluminatiKing

I don't care what religion it is at any level. This can't be swept under the rug and it must be cleansed. Religions that claim to be Christian and serve god should be a holy place. If you don't do anything about this then you are inviting the evil to rule over your church. Like a cancer they must be removed.

Gbuggers

I bet its higher than 7%

MolochHunter

And even if it were only 7%, people have to be taught that the nature of paedophilia is to congregate at the upper echelons of any organisation. You get one pedo in the heirarchy in a position to recruit others into the middle management. New position opens, two candidates. One is known by the pedo boss to also be a pedo, the other isnt. Who do you think gets that job? Who would help defend the original pedo from suspicion?

This thing grows in the shadows until the everyday citizen get in their mind a basic equation: The more powerful and influential someone is, the greater likelihood they are a pedo, or are knowingly accommodative of pedos

Gbuggers

Well said

DustyRadio

Still less than teacher/educator sexual abuse abuse, which Hofstra U found was around 9.6% in a study.

PDF warning

http://www.hofstra.edu/pdf/orsp_shakeshaft_spring03.pdf

Shall we get our pitchforks out for all teachers?

I am all for exposing pedos but the Catholic hate in here gets a bit thick, especially when erroneous info is being given and when it is shown to be wrong, it is ignored because people "just know" it's true because [fill in the blank].

I was asked by a couple Voaters to do a post on the Freemason orgs that are apes or mimics of Catholic ones of the same name because people had no idea the Masons did that stuff. I am still working on it and am debating on even posting it.

Chatman

Teachers serve time for their crimes and lose access to kids. Also that 7% is likely the tip of the iceberg. Let them find repentance in jail as they experience the ass end of sexual abuse.

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

These isolated incidences in all the major countries and institutions of the world don't prove anything.

Or, as Michael Jackson used to sing, one bad bunch don't spoil the whole apple girl.

MolochHunter

what is possibly 'isolated' about being systemic?

strix-varia

Whaat? Only 7%??? Christian Brothers = really fkg nasty, stay away from them

carmencita

Thanks. Contact Wolftrail7272 on here. He will know, I am sure. He has spurred my interest in this research. His posts are awesome. I will look some of this up today if I can. But many Landfills will be very important in this investigation. If you get my drift.

Orange_Circle

That figure must be much higher.

Probably more like 99%.

carmencita

The Vianney Retnewal Center has accepted many of them from all over the country. It is called Club Ped in Dittmer Mo. It is as if they are being rewarded for their horrible acts they have committed. They are able to get CP mags and view CP on computers that are at the Center. They have figured out how to disable the software that blocks the CP! No wonder this problem never ends.

Atatarkus

I have to laugh at this story because it reminds me of a great father Ted joke when he tries to play down paedophilia in the Catholic church "if there are 200 million priests in the world and 5% of them are paedophiles, that's still only 10 million".

2impendingdoom

And almost none of them get arrested, they just get shuffled off to abuse more kids.