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formatist

Nope! Was not saying that at all (anyway my post got deleted for being in the wrong section). I was saying that Alefantis was hosting live music there so he had a cover for 'other' events.

Beaucephus

I'm talking about the average person being so far removed from satanic ritual that you may as well tie Pizzagate to Santa Clause and insist we research the North Pole.

Vindicator

@formatist , please review the v/pizzagate submission guidelines. We need to remove this per Rule 4; this is our research subverse and posts here need to link to sources that provide supporting evidence. Pure discussion posts belong in v/pizzagatewhatever . Or...

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formatist

I really can't do all the site rules - if the post is gone it's gone.

Sh0ts

ugg common I think this needed to be talked about... leave it up

SturdyGal

I don't think all the musical performers are involved in this stuff. Very few, if any. But I do think they are promoted a certain way to give a certain message. Except of course house favorite, Majestic Ape. Something not right there.

formatist

I can guarantee you all of them were not. That's what I mean about it being a cover - b/c the place had live music (purposefully as a cover, I guess), it made it much easier to pull off 'other' events. I am just now looking into Majestic Ape, though - it is one of the things I missed.

SturdyGal

Majestic Ape, Amanda Kleinman, is a puzzle to me. Super gross pedo art in her music videos for Heavy Breathing, yet she does lovely, gentle, even delicate photography, if that's the same Amanda Kleinman Here . I can't reconcile these two different personalities.

grlldcheese

I know what you mean. I've known a couple guys who make those kinds of fliers/posters. This isn't actually a witch hunt.

Majestic Ape stuff is another level entirely. It's like a couple dozen pedo references turned into a video. It's harder to identify what frames of the video AREN'T pedo or cannibal cultural references.

It's like Abramovich. The best case scenario is that they're crap artists who are 100% obsessed with occult cannibalism and torture because it's edgy. The worst case scenario is what we're all afraid of.

Sh0ts

I actually agree with you. One of the things about pizzagate that annoys me is people taking anything cryptic and assuming it is related. Bands are often weird its kind of their thing. I can't tell you how many weird ass show flyers I have see in my life time... does not mean all those bands are some kind of satin worshiping freaks. I would say the same in regards to the art connections people have made... some times art is disturbing thats kind of the point to elicit a response from the viewer. I would say the podesta art collection is pretty fucked up and it could speak to his views so I wont argue that one I think the guy is fucking creepy. I guess what I am saying is I view all this stuff from a very secular vantage point. I am not a christian I don't believe in christian ideas about god and the devil. I think there are some very twisted people in this world and if you can imagine (no matter how horrible) it its been done. So my point: Just because some art or band leaves a bad taste in your mouth it doesn't make the creators automatically pedo monsters. Its find to look into things but try to be open to the idea that not all music and art was made for you specifically. I will probably be called a shill or something for this post but whatever haha. I get what you mean OP.

formatist

Ok cool, yeah. Good to know there are some people on the same page. I was just asking in the most basic sense what the predominant theory is. Anyway, yeah, I grew up in that art/punk world and so we probably have had the same experiences. But in fact I did know people in that world who were pedos. Agree with you about the Podesta art, when you tie it all together, most of all. I do think there is value in people running with any idea (what you call taking anything cryptic and assuming it is related) b/c it is a like a million-brain brainstorm which no person could do by themselves. Anyhoo.

Sh0ts

Yeah I defiantly grew up heavy into music and art. Lots of friends who are performers, everything from music to performance art painters ect. I agree it is like a million brain brainstorm thats a great way to put it.. Thats the power of a crowd sourced anything. The people that bring Christianity into it are obnoxious and imo serve to discredit the whole thing. Once you start babbling about how Jesus will correct all this or w/e you have lost people like me, I'm just going to roll my eyes and try not to discount everything you say. Even people I disagree with can be right about things I dont discount anyone's opinion off hand. I guess ala drag net... "just the facts mam"

Ps knew you would be called a shill lol that word is like the internet's fav now days.

Beaucephus

It makes more sense that freak pedo people are just into weird ass music as opposed to it being a cover for anything.

formatist

What I'm saying is let's say you were trying to hold a satanic ritual - you couldn't just hold it in the local grange hall and go unnoticed. So you have a legitimate 'arts performance space' so that when you hold them, it doesn't seem out of the ordinary.

Beaucephus

Not sure anyone really cares about the satanic ritual portion of Pizzagate. Although it ties in, impossible to prove without insider and only insiders would be implicated themselves. Dead end.

formatist

I guess I am just saying 'satanic ritual' b/c it creeps me out and disgusts me to even talk about any of the other stuff more specifically.

Blacksmith21

I guess you haven't listened to Majestic Ape's soliloquy at CPP? Shill.

formatist

No, we don't all have all the time in the world to go through every last bit of evidence. Your comment is really out of line.