HennyPenny

Per news reports one of those arrested was working at the call center for Peace River Center:according to their website "Serving Polk, Hardee, and Highlands Counties, Peace River Center (PRC) is one of the oldest and largest mental health centers in the State of Florida.  PRC is an accredited, not-for-profit 501(c)(3) community mental health center whose mission is to improve the behavioral health of individuals in our community to achieve our vision of a higher quality of life through treatment, education and advocacy." " In the spring of 1947, a team of physicians working under a federal grant examined every child enrolled in the Polk County school system in Florida.  They reported the usual number of physical handicaps, childhood illnesses, and other medical problems.  However, they noted an unusually high number of children with emotional and psychological disturbances.  Local public concern over helping the children led to the formation of the Polk County Guidance Center (later to become Peace River Center) in the fall of 1948.  During its first ten years, the Center served mainly young people of Polk County.  School psychologists, social workers, and psychiatrists tested, evaluated, and counseled children and their families. Out of their work with children and families grew programs designed for adults." Per news reports, the accused passed the background check?? This history of diagnosing young children in the public school system sounds like what they did in Oakland in the 1970's establishing bio dossiers on "at risk" children as young as 6, fingerprinting them, drawing blood, etc. https://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/tag/by-dr-louis-jolyn-jolly-west/ For years there has been federal/state efforts to establish a data base in the public school system of at risk youth."An early draft of West’s proposed UCLA center described using schools in Black and Brown neighborhoods as human guinea pigs to experiment on and screen for possible genetic defects. It also mentioned using psychosurgery as treatment on children to modify what he and the establishment perceived to be no more than anti-social behavior, “Such programs might include control of drug or alcohol abuse, modification of chronic anti-social or impulsive aggressiveness.” The onset of this behavioral modification research using children started after WW2 and some postulate that the Nazi scientists involved in this type of research in Germany were brought back to the US after WW2, given new identities and resumed their former research with our government's blessings. See same article as above: https://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/tag/by-dr-louis-jolyn-jolly-west . The history of US child abuse go wayback and the roots go deep.

demoTheGorgon

JESUS, thank you. Might collate this into a new thread.

demoTheGorgon

?? Am I looking for a sister community somewhere maybe :)

sunnydaylemons

can we bring this to the attential of local congressmen/reps, or local media?

demoTheGorgon

I don't see why not. A good first step would be to get more eyes on this so it can't get smothered from the internet. If you guys could get this through on Reddit or t_d, it might really help. Even if that were to fail, it would be good to confirm this story is triggering.

demoTheGorgon

Again, to be clear, I have DOWNvoated this post but it does not appear in the GUI on my end. NONE of this is normal.

demoTheGorgon

Sigh.

This is a muddying of the basics. Yes of course they're used in such settings, the question is was the fire set and evacs planned in order to provide cover for destruction evidence of graves, structures, and covert exfiltration of living or dead children.

It is not without merit. Once you consider the possibility this was a literal smoke screen, the presence of the dozers might be expected and possibly useful in either digging up mass graves or destroying physical structures and removing them.

in the same way as you point out a 4 lane highway would

Not exactly, you're engaging in that high school essay tactic of gluing two things together with a rhetorical phrase, even though they're logically unconnected. Physical barriers sometime stop fire spreading. Thank you for the deep connection between two things.

Finally, your username is actually following CTR/Shariablue patterns. The two numbers at the end in particular. If you're not a shill, you sure argue like one. If this accusation offends you, don't take it personally, your post is very curious.

Any thoughts on the evac pattern of 90 homes, 800 homes, and then telling people to go home in less than 24 hours? Any thoughts on why bringing this up leads to shadow bans, and weird probes from Panamanian IPs? Any thoughts on why questions about this aren't allowed on reddit?

EDIT: It's possible dozers are there to keep a set fire from getting out of control, or just because it's expected they'd be on hand. Your post is still very curious and suspicious to me and I distrust you. People should of course still focus on the mandatory evacs and possible use of road closures to smuggle kids/bodies out.

Disgusted-Lurker

I've been spending too much time on these sites...

I see River Ranch Hunting Grounds and get sick feeling in my stomach. Scarred by Bohemian Grove (and other) stories.

dmthirdeye

Was going to see if someone mentioned the "Hunting Grounds".... Really ridiculous how much they have been flaunting and advertising their evil.

demoTheGorgon

Yeah, I pretty much immediately thought of True Detective season 1 when I saw the similar terrain. Barf.

By the way I upvoted your comment it's not showing as registering on my end. Coincidences until they're not.

zo34

pizzagate type of people busting their own groups so that they can control the bust

See "controlled opposition" for more detail.

demoTheGorgon

Yes that is widely being speculated, not just in this bust, but with many of the busts since January 20th, 2017. The reason this coincidence piqued my interest in the first place is I kept reading comments saying, "Until we get <x> or <y> up at the top, I'm assuming this is them covering up the worst of it by burning the lower-downs."

Another theory is that new admin has players who really want some of the spirit cookers gone, and these crackdowns are the building of a RICO case. I would like the latter to be true, but I am remaining skeptical, as I have no special info there.

This particular instance I've brought up because I believe it to be exactly what you say.

"I'm talking about the sprawl, Marty!" "We caught who we were supposed to catch."

E: Gave you an upvoat, btw

quantokitty

Good post. I'll have to come back to this and go through the evidence, but there's enough here to raise suspicions.

crazimal

the fires are 20 miles away, what's your point? really?

connect the dots, please, instead of just shouting "LOOK LOOK LOTS OF DOTS!!"

have you tracked down where the suspects taken in operated? is it near the fires? If so you might have a point.

It's up to you to show some evidence when you make a post, or people will doubt you.

To help fill in some detail: Fire is around indian lakes, river ranch neighborhoods, maybe 20mi ESE of Lakeland. This article lists suspects:

http://www.nwfdailynews.com/news/20170216/parents-child-workers-part-of-42-arrested-in-major-fla-child-porn-sting

Of the 42 suspects, 2 are know to live within a few miles of the fires:

Mark Ewald, 28, of Babson Park Lawrence Youngman, 63, of Lake Wales

It is possible to imagine a connection. Maybe there is one?

It is also fire season.

But is it pizza-related?

demoTheGorgon

20 miles away from what? What in the hell are you dissembling about? What geographic focal point have you picked to say that 20 miles away is too far?

  • county has 42 busted in a pedo ring and 1 hour after the press conference a fire breaks out forcing the closure of a four lane highway, and mandatory evacuations.

This sounds like a common "why don't you have all the evidence?" shill post and I will duly ignore you. I now turn to the general audience (as is a good idea everyone when you suspect you're being trolled by a shill). What is the purpose of crazimal's post? Does it muddy things unnecessarily? Why is he so concerned about how people treat me or doubt me, while being entirely unengaged? Polk county covers 868 square miles (wikipedia). What the hell is his purpose in muddying things bringing up a distance of 20 miles, in a situation when all of this happened in the same county and the state route (60) cutting east-west through the county was closed off by police. What in the fuck is this guy going on about?

E: Using googlemaps, Polk county is roughly 52 miles wide if one follows the path traced by route 60. It is about 48 miles in the north-south direction if one follows 33 and then 570 and then down. Shills be here guys.

You're a shill, because no one said (or has any reason to think) all these guys have to live within miles of where children may have been kept - you're evil and your equivocation is evil.

Your edit provides irrelevant details. If kids are being kept somewhere for abuse, or there are locations specifically used for it (which is obvious given EVERYTHING this entire sub has uncovered), again your incredulity about small, easily-driveable distances is suspect. You are up to no good, and I am dismissing and naming you as a shill. Your edit makes your post seem less toxic and meant to derail, but you are still dissembling and equivocating, bringing up non-sequiturs and distinctions without any real difference.

Yes it's pizza-related.

Again, speaking now to general audience reading this, I was shadowbanned for mentioning this specific thing on Reddit. The ban extended to the connection related to my phone provider's data, not necessarily my ISP ip. I am expressing this to you now in earnest. You don't owe me your credulity, but I assert again the guy I'm responding to is a shill.

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES

Hey don't worry about all the shadow bans and stuff. I have 100's of banned twitter/reddit/FB accounts for talking about the real 9/11 conspiracies with logic, and for talking about the Pyramids and Pizzagate. They will ban your IP, plant cookies on your phone to 404 reddit (Chrome if you have android), and track your IP across platforms. Then I learned how to use VPN+tor. No more problems, except for when I actually make comments, and then get shadow-banned like normal.

demoTheGorgon

Not to derail my own thread, but hit me with the pyramid links.

demoTheGorgon

Thank you! I think I actually read part of this before and bookmarked it. Very interesting. Was reading about something related last night, had to put it down to rest. Sadly, I must stay in the world of exoterica for the day, gotta get some stuff done, but I will definitely come back to this.

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES

have fun

demoTheGorgon

Yeah, esoteric knowledge CAN be fun, but this shit might turn me into Rust Cohle before long. <cracks can of Lonestar>

demoTheGorgon

:) Obligatory reply to acknowledge your post and point out my upvoat given to you is not showing.

SturdyGal

20 miles away from where? Your thought was my original thought (see my first post), but then I realized suspects were taken from all over Polk County and that the area of the fire might not be related to a particular offender residence but used as a screen.

demoTheGorgon

Thank you for replying to him with the same "huh?". I suspect he is here for no good reason.

SturdyGal

Well, I have been called a shill twice today so not all dissident commenters are shills. Though some really are shills and will admit it!

demoTheGorgon

I take your point but I don't think I'm wrong with him, his response was very idiosyncratic and purposely muddied basic things. First sign of either a disorganized mind or someone here meant to derail.

SturdyGal

Polk County Indian Lakes Brushfire Photos on Facebook

Polk County Fire Rescue Timeline of Indian Lakes Brushfire

At 11:19 a.m. Polk County Fire Rescue crews were dispatched to 7200 HWY 630 E, between Walk-in-Water Rd and Deland Ave for a large brush fire.

At 11:31 a.m. Polk County Fire Rescue crews arrived on scene.

At 11:41 a.m. the fire began to spread quickly due to heavy wind and fuel. Several homes were in danger and needed immediate protection.

At 12:00 p.m. the Florida Forest Service arrived. Their mission was to stop to the wildfire from spreading. Polk County Fire Rescue’s mission was to protect structures. The scene remained very active with mutual aid assistance from multiple agencies.

At 1:15 p.m. a total evacuation was ordered in Indian Lake Estates. County Road 630 was also closed.

At 1:30 p.m. State Road 60 was closed.

At 4:15 p.m. rain helped douse the fire, but did not extinguish it. Firefighters focused on battling hotspots.

At 7:00 p.m. the Red Cross opened a shelter at the First Presbyterian Church, located at 16 N 3rd St, Lake Wales, 33853

At 2:30 a.m. people who live in Indian Lakes Estates allowed to go home.

At 5:03 a.m. roads that were closed reopened.

zo34

I would be interested to see the affected areas on a map...

SturdyGal

This article shows the green grass at the time of the brush fire. That's a little suspicious in that it means it may have to have been set intentionally. Article says so far cause of fire not known. The winds made it fast moving.

demoTheGorgon

I won't claim to be an expert on brushfires/wildfires, but the fact it jumped a 4 lane route and they closed it down, along with all of the censorship about this story I've mentioned, is creepy and way too convenient. The fires came on so strongly / quickly that some articles are taking interviews with people who say the fire crept up on them and was very intense. Of course, a wildfire is WILD and this could happen, but this is all very convenient and the censorship is very Streisand effect-y. I'm pretty sold on the "this wasn't just a run of the mill fire".

gangpressorliber

GET THIS TO SESSIONS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

demoTheGorgon

He better move! This shit is getting out of hand.

SturdyGal

I don't have Twitter, but maybe somebody could tweet this so it is public?

demoTheGorgon

I have upvoated your post but it remains at 0/0

SturdyGal

This is an interesting connection you have made. I looked at your links and I don't know enough about Polk County to say the evidence was here and someone started a fire to cover it. Do we have any of the arrested living in the Indian Lakes Estates area (where the fire started)?

demoTheGorgon

I have upvoated this post but it remains at +0 on my screen

demoTheGorgon

All the reports are scarce. Part of that is because even in a non-fucked world, you'd want to keep lips tight in case you can catch more pedos. The fact that I was censored from bringing this up and now the evacs are being called off is very suspicious.

I know you don't owe me your credulity, but I've been posting pizzagate stuff I notice that I think people are missing since the community moved to voat. I have no doubt I was censored from talking about this last night on Reddit. I'd dismiss my own speculation eventually were it not for the censorship reaction, I am certain there is something there now.

Aaaaand I'm being prevented from upvoating your post. What the everloving fuck.

PLEASE UPVOAT

demoTheGorgon

The number of homes evacuated has increased to 800+ apparently.

http://wfla.com/2017/02/16/polk-co-brush-fire-residents-in-800-evacuated-homes-allowed-to-return/

And it's all fine. All clear. They can go back. The obvious speculation that comes to mind is that some evidence was destroyed last night. WHY THE HELL WAS REDDIT CENSORING MY POSTS ABOUT THIS ALL LAST NIGHT?

SturdyGal

Yes I just saw that. You are right, this is beyond probability of coincidence. And of course you bulldoze the embers and burnt trees. Hey I wonder where they are taking it. I bet they are bulldozing it into trucks to at least remove it from the scene. Because burning it on the surface won't get rid of all the evidence.

Also, there should be an investigation of the fire by a local fire marshall.

Sorry to keep adding, but this strikes me: maybe destruction of evidence wasn't the goal, maybe the EVACUATION was the goal so that they could get something out?

demoTheGorgon

Yes of course that's possible. Kill some kids / smuggle some kids out / destroy some tunnels or structures. That's exactly what I am fearing has happened under the cover of the evacs. Busing out a bunch of kids under evac conditions is not as suspicious. Glad I'm not the only one who immediately went all True Detective when I saw this.

e: As a side tangent, I'm certain Pizzolatto was taken off the sole writing responsiblity for TD after seasons 1 and 2 were a barely concealed expose of pedocracy and kakistocracy.

demoTheGorgon

I have upvoated this and it remains at +0/0, this is obviously not normal.

demoTheGorgon

I tried to upvoat your previous comment, it's stuck at 0/0 on my GUI.

NONE OF THIS IS NORMAL PEOPLE

SturdyGal

Sometimes the up/down arrows are funky on stupid posts. Don't think it's censorship here.

demoTheGorgon

That's what THEY want me to think. Lol okay, I'll chill a bit, but again after the censorship I experienced (not trying to lionize myself), Occam's razor tells me I was accidentally way more correct than I originally thought.