This seems like a good way to shut us down..I personally will not rest until we know that this is completely shut down and kids are protected..and I would guess that is years and lots of arrests down the road...
Sorry, but this is a remarkably poorly written petition. Zero time and effort was put into crafting it. I like the idea behind it, but will not sign onto this crappy level of writing
I posted the links to the petition, but I did not write the petition. It could be written more clearly, but the intention is good - and the intentions of each of these four people is good. They believe Trump has the ability to turn this around. They WANT him to succeed - and the more support he has, the more likely we will ALL rise above the dark force that has commandeered our nation. We all know there is a LOT of ugliness going on - and we don't even know all of it. These four people have different ways of expressing themselves - but each of them has valuable areas of expertise. At this point, I don't think anything can do more damage than has already been done, and it may do some good. There is too much division. Is Trump perfect" No - and neither are we. But I DO believe he PERFECTLY loves this country, what it stands for, and will do all he can to make it better for all of us. I think about the confusion I face daily trying to figure out "the truth" and the amount of time and energy it consumes - I wouldn't want to be in his shoes for anything. Most of us have experienced new jobs where we're "finding" our way through the politics. He's in a den of vipers. Let's support him.
WTF is this. BS Dog and Pony Show petition with no real objectives or delineated means of obtaining any meaningful, objective goal. An emotional rally against the Deep State isn't going to get the job done.
I agree an emotional rally won't work - but four people with various areas of expertise who truly want Trump to succeed and are willing to put themselves out there to find common goals that will bring people together against the deep state is a good thing.
You agree an emotional rally won't work but then state vague emotional goals and methods as the bread and butter of this petition. I highly doubt this petition is legit from the supposed sponsors. Robert Steele is likely a shill. Regardless, the petition contains no tangible, measurable goal, and it is unnecessary and redundant for these supposed figureheads against the deep state to rely on such a petition.
Steele has good ideas - they all do. They appeal to a wide group of people, and the more common factors we can find, the harder it will be for them to unseat Trump.
This is clearly a method of pushing RDS' memorandum. Give it a read. It's not bad. Aside from RDS weirdly stating that there should be "no arrests" (WTAF?!)... it's a life raft for Trump to gain some momentum and reduce the isolation he is facing in the White House. He needs more support, he needs more voices, once PG is truly exposed NO ONE would allow the lack of arrests to follow.
You don't need Soros to fund the protests that would result from an announcement of "Well, it's true, 30% of our political body, multiple members of the private sector and a significant number of NGO's intended to protect children are actually involved in trafficking tens of thousands of children each year! We're going to issue a warning now."
Sign the Petition! Trump needs people on his side right now. If RDS is a spook with some old allegiances, he can't single-handedly be worse than all of the spooks actively undermining Trump at this time.
I don't know what to make of Cynthia McKinney being listed with RDS on this petition. She has been very outspoken lately and seems intent on draining the swamp. Her grilling of Rumsfeld in 2005 was epic (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMG65jYlDU8)
)
Yes, wasn't it?!. I think what we have here is people with various political ideologies seeing enough in common that they are willing are willing to come together for the good of all. We should try it too.
The wording at the beginning about Trump getting 27% support is a talking point for people who hate him. You could say the same thing about virtually every president ever elected, so why bring it up now? Why begin the petition with it? This is either a limited hangout or a very unwisely constructed statement.
The numbers are all wrong to begin with (Trump got 45.9% with 55.3% turnout and Obama in 2012 got 51.1% with 54.9% turnout) and as you said, you could say this about every President ever. It's idiotic.
Is it possible its a rhetorical and strategic device to get some of the "never trump" liberals on the same page?
I personally have a ton of respect for Mckinney and Paul... To be honest I trust them more than anyone else on issues involving the federal government (and especially on the Deep State).
That saying is not to be taken LITERALLY. It simply reflects the ALLEGIANCE that "former" CIA ops have for the agency AND underscores that --- for that reason -- they are NOT to be trusted.
He seems to have an agenda. Not sure what it is but hes got one. An ant rate, by virtue of what i know about the CIA, and their past activities, these people don't deserve my trust.
i'm all for steele playing the role of useful tool
as long as it's useful to exposing the giants of pizzagate
...... very disappointed pizzagate wasn't mentioned or alluded to in this...
Donald Trump is both an accidental president, and a fringe president (elected by 27%). He is in grave danger – unlike Barack Obama (elected by 26%), Donald Trump is under attack from the Deep State.
“The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” Our common enemy, across America, is the Deep State.
A violent American Spring is coming, the hundreds of millions of dollars being spent to mobilize protesters who will replicate the violent misbehaviour at Berkeley, across the land.
Please meet with Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Cynthia McKinney, and Robert Steele as soon as possible.
i was hoping it just read "President Trump, we the people are petitioning you to investigate pizzagate" so i could sign a petition for the first time ever...
hope this works out for good tho, regardless of what the intention may be in reality... this timeline is all about irony and backfires and underdogs having their day so maybe it'll help...
I agree RDS can be brash - but his ideas are good, and he truly believes Trump can turn this around. Yes, I'm sure he's glad to have his ideas heard - but he spent years out of the spotlight fighting the good fight - and I honestly don't know how he did it - I'm frustrated as Hell after a year of this.
Milo should like, start that petition for reals...
i do like how now-a-days things that are "supposed to be about A" end up getting taken over and turned into things "about B" :) i hope that happens with this and every single angle and flavor of disingenuity that comes down the pike.
I don't like the "pass" either - the people committing these crimes need to face the same justice system that any of us "regular Joe's" would. The best chance of that happening is when Trump is operating from a position of strength. He's doing well - but the faster we show the force behind him, the faster he can clean things up - and I really believe he will.
Exactly what I thought of. Smells like a limited hangout. We want a direct reference to pizza gate/pedogate/trafficking. Notice how MSM up until recently avoid the P word like the plague
I agree that the people who have committed these HORRIBLE atrocities need to face the consequences of their actions. However, that doesn't have a chance of happening if they oust Trump or do even worse to him. We have to get him in a stable position so that these things can take place.
Yeah, why is Steele there? I wouldn't trust anything he endorses and have no idea why he's become such a presence when he's had nothing to do with Pizzagate and is trying to control the narrative with ridiculous, preposterous statements.
Have you read any of his ideas? He has some good ones. Yes, he can come off as harsh, but he wants Trump to succeed, and knows there are way too many people who want the opposite.
I cannot concur with the recent stream of negative things said about RDS. I heard about him years ago (he's hardly new on the scene, although perhaps new to many critics) and generally liked a fair bit of what he was saying. He's been quite vocal in acknowledging the massive pedo problem in Washington. It seems he took a knock not long ago because he might have inadvertently advocated for something less than lynching every guilty party on the lawn of the White House. Anyone on the very front lines of this war has to be cut a certain amount of slack even just because of the nature of unscripted dialog on various talk shows. I'm not advocating for anyone to sign the petition, but the absence of a direct reference to PG is hardly a reason to dismiss it and fry RDS. The authors may have simply recognized a tactical advantage in not referencing PG in order to maximize the number of signatures, in order to maximize the the likelihood of eliciting a positive outcome, i.e., keeping DJT in the hot seat.
Oh, for God's sake, you're leaving out that he forgot what role he was playing ... and ended the interviewer to call Robert David Steele! Cheesh! You can't get more obvious than that. Please everyone,stop clinging to these shills and propping them up. He's a fraud playing a part to control the narrative.
You've got this wrong, such an interview doesn't exist
. That quote was from another DHS insider saying that Victurus should talk to RDS. RDS never forgot anything. Sorry to come across as overly direct - but I posted in that thread that the OP had it wrong and the OP never owned up to it. You've made some good posts here in Voat re pizzagate, but I think you're way off on this.
Unless you have the source to this article - then I'd like to read it. But, the original OP sighted a quote from a DHS insider - who NEVER claimed to be RDS - that was posted on Victurus Libertas.
Image of the quote, just in case you decide not to read the leak to perpetuate this misleading narrative. This quote was used by the OP who claimed that RDS forgot his name. Again,
this leaker never claimed to be RDS
ohn Podesta is a "pedophile light."
You can order children off of a menu at some Saudi-owned restaurants. Literally.
Flynn pissed of VP Pence since his call included a list of high profile pedophiles, one of whom is Pence's best friend, and Flynn didn't tell him. Didn't name him (Jeff Flake?)
A roundup of high profile pedophiles should begin within a week.
This is bullshit. Straight up complete and utter bullshit. He's as fake as fake can be, but if you want to believe, go ahead. Podesta is a monster. A MONSTER. If this guy is giving him a pass, I would think it would be obvious that he has an agenda. So thanks for the good words, but we disagree on this one.
Oh, for God's sake, you're leaving out that he forgot what role he was playing ... and ended the interviewer to call Robert David Steele!
This statement by you ^^ is what I'm talking about. This occurrence - which was incorrectly referenced by
/u/DeathToMasons
here in this post:
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1662524
- DID NOT HAPPEN at the original leak referenced in the post- which is a large part of the
/u/DeathToMasons
' basis for calling RDS a shill. And, it looks like
/u/DeathToMasons
removed the assertion that RDS role-played and forgot. Here was my post to the sub stating I thought OP had it wrong, but the notion lives on and you repeate it
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1662524/8133776
So, I'm calling you out on it - not to paint you as stupid or dumb, but to say "hold on, that's not what happened"
Podesta is a monster. A MONSTER. If this guy is giving him a pass, I would think it would be obvious that he has an agenda.
I'm not saying Podesta is an angel, and neither is RDS - he's focused on
information gathering
. This is why Guantanamo is so nice, soccer fields, prayer time, etc, etc...If you threaten with death, punishment dismemberment, you get what you want to hear, which might not be the truth. If you bribe with freedom, you get a lot more. That's all this is. I want them to hang from the gallows - and you know, they probably would even if the law didn't do it to them. And, if Podesta is 'light' doesn't that concern you? Breibart himself referred to Podesta as more of a trafficker. If there are others that are worse than Podesta, and he's doing more 'delivery' than 'use' of his 'product' - then we need to know who, where and how far it goes - and if Podesta admitting to it all means he gets a harsher punishment or even reduced, why would he?
All I'm asking, is that you go a step further. Just because we are on Voat doesn't mean we can't be misled, even about RDS.
Finally,
IF YOU HAVE THE LINK
where RDS role-play's and forgets, I'll eat crow and up-vote you every time I see a post from you :) but no one has shown it to me yet. And if
/u/DeathToMasons
checks in here, I'd like you to produce the URL showing RDS forgot and blew his cover. I don't think
/u/DeathToMasons
will because it was removed from the original post anyway instead of striking out which would be owning up to the lie in the post about RDS.
Here's another Voater telling
/u/DeatToMasons
to use strikeout on the error, but instead, removes it entirely. This is very suspect in my opinion -
be very sure you're not being shilled by a double-agent shiller
.
The only posts this user had done are to discredit RDS, that's it.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1662524/8142296
RDS has discredited himself with his statements. He's not to be trusted. If you think he is, I can live with that, but there's no way I would believe anything he has to say.
That's fine that you believe that - but if you must try to convince others, don't use false statements to do it. You've got a decent reputation here, but don't ruin it with stuff like this.
What's the adage? If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything? Believe me, I've earned some pretty heavy detractors along the way. Not happy or sad about it ... the major pushback I've received is filed under the heading: JUST THE WAY IT IS. Proposing giving a pass to predators is a fast way for someone to get on my Shit List. No passes -- not ever. Every single one needs to be arrested. Giving passes is how we got into this mess.
What interview? Regardless, it is apparent that he is desperate to contact President Trump. There are essentially two plausible reasons why:
He is an agent for the CIA, feigning (for thirty years??) to be retired but is actually still active and attempting to gain access to DJT for nefarious reasons.
He is a former CIA agent, retired from the agency for over thirty years, who believes DJT is in jeopardy and feels his council could benefit.
Number two is far more plausible, mainly because it remains highly unlikely that RDS will ever get the access to Trump that he desires through his imploring, petitions etc,, and CIA would know this. Why create a former CIA officer to slander the agency in public while clamoring to see DJT when they already have unfettered access to same? If CIA wanted someone on the inside of DJT's inner circle, how likely is it for them to broadcast their selection on every alternative news platform going on a whim and prayer that DJT actually accepts?
Nothing is certain in this crazy world, but for the time being (until I see some real evidence) I remain confident that RDS is what he presents, that being a former CIA agent with a military background, removed from the shadow government, who does not want to see DJT fall or be assassinated.
▼ tt7
Get this shit off the front page. Ron Paul is a bonesman, Robert Steele is a disinfo hack.
▼ noone222
You are not wrong. The FEDERAL GOVT is owned and operated by the FED RESERVE and is PUBLIC ENEMY #1. It is the seat of satan in my opinion.
▼ pbvrocks
This seems like a good way to shut us down..I personally will not rest until we know that this is completely shut down and kids are protected..and I would guess that is years and lots of arrests down the road...
▼ OrwellKnew
Sorry, but this is a remarkably poorly written petition. Zero time and effort was put into crafting it. I like the idea behind it, but will not sign onto this crappy level of writing
Re-do professionally and I am in
▼ silvertri
signed!
▼ notanartist
Thanks! We really need to present a united front - TPTB are counting on us not doing that.
▼ notanartist
I think Steele is frustrated that people possibly working against Trump's best interests are obstructing things.
Steele's outspoken, but he LIKES Trump and wants him to succeed.
▼ notanartist
I posted the links to the petition, but I did not write the petition. It could be written more clearly, but the intention is good - and the intentions of each of these four people is good. They believe Trump has the ability to turn this around. They WANT him to succeed - and the more support he has, the more likely we will ALL rise above the dark force that has commandeered our nation. We all know there is a LOT of ugliness going on - and we don't even know all of it. These four people have different ways of expressing themselves - but each of them has valuable areas of expertise. At this point, I don't think anything can do more damage than has already been done, and it may do some good. There is too much division. Is Trump perfect" No - and neither are we. But I DO believe he PERFECTLY loves this country, what it stands for, and will do all he can to make it better for all of us. I think about the confusion I face daily trying to figure out "the truth" and the amount of time and energy it consumes - I wouldn't want to be in his shoes for anything. Most of us have experienced new jobs where we're "finding" our way through the politics. He's in a den of vipers. Let's support him.
▼ OrwellKnew
Sorry, I won't sign my name to garbage writing like this. If you're so fired up about it, just write one yourself ..a GOOD one
▼ SuperJohnWayne
WTF is this. BS Dog and Pony Show petition with no real objectives or delineated means of obtaining any meaningful, objective goal. An emotional rally against the Deep State isn't going to get the job done.
▼ notanartist
I agree an emotional rally won't work - but four people with various areas of expertise who truly want Trump to succeed and are willing to put themselves out there to find common goals that will bring people together against the deep state is a good thing.
▼ SuperJohnWayne
You agree an emotional rally won't work but then state vague emotional goals and methods as the bread and butter of this petition. I highly doubt this petition is legit from the supposed sponsors. Robert Steele is likely a shill. Regardless, the petition contains no tangible, measurable goal, and it is unnecessary and redundant for these supposed figureheads against the deep state to rely on such a petition.
▼ notanartist
http://phibetaiota.net/2017/02/special-three-track-program-to-destroy-trump/
Steele has good ideas - they all do. They appeal to a wide group of people, and the more common factors we can find, the harder it will be for them to unseat Trump.
▼ SuperJohnWayne
yawn
▼ SoSpricyHotDog
This is clearly a method of pushing RDS' memorandum. Give it a read. It's not bad. Aside from RDS weirdly stating that there should be "no arrests" (WTAF?!)... it's a life raft for Trump to gain some momentum and reduce the isolation he is facing in the White House. He needs more support, he needs more voices, once PG is truly exposed NO ONE would allow the lack of arrests to follow.
You don't need Soros to fund the protests that would result from an announcement of "Well, it's true, 30% of our political body, multiple members of the private sector and a significant number of NGO's intended to protect children are actually involved in trafficking tens of thousands of children each year! We're going to issue a warning now."
Sign the Petition! Trump needs people on his side right now. If RDS is a spook with some old allegiances, he can't single-handedly be worse than all of the spooks actively undermining Trump at this time.
▼ notanartist
Well said!
▼ DeathToMasons
Not impressed by this for reasons similar that orthers have mentioned. And petitions accomplish nothing. Leave me out. Continue everybody.
▼ pizzaequalspedo
We need to petition Obama to stop his Marxist revolution against the US that he is currently directing before an all-out kinetic civil war ensues.
▼ notanartist
I agree that Obama fueling this is horrible. You might be interested in this https://voat.co/v/Conspiracy/1674721
▼ Baxterbaxter
I don't know what to make of Cynthia McKinney being listed with RDS on this petition. She has been very outspoken lately and seems intent on draining the swamp. Her grilling of Rumsfeld in 2005 was epic ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMG65jYlDU8) )
▼ notanartist
Yes, wasn't it?!. I think what we have here is people with various political ideologies seeing enough in common that they are willing are willing to come together for the good of all. We should try it too.
▼ davemcgowanwasright
The wording at the beginning about Trump getting 27% support is a talking point for people who hate him. You could say the same thing about virtually every president ever elected, so why bring it up now? Why begin the petition with it? This is either a limited hangout or a very unwisely constructed statement.
▼ notanartist
I agree it could be worded better, but these people honestly want to bring people together.
▼ listentoreason2017
Everything about this is weird and off-putting.
The numbers are all wrong to begin with (Trump got 45.9% with 55.3% turnout and Obama in 2012 got 51.1% with 54.9% turnout) and as you said, you could say this about every President ever. It's idiotic.
▼ Poot_McGarvey
Is it possible its a rhetorical and strategic device to get some of the "never trump" liberals on the same page?
I personally have a ton of respect for Mckinney and Paul... To be honest I trust them more than anyone else on issues involving the federal government (and especially on the Deep State).
▼ Sharipie
I don't trust this guy as far asi could drop kick the mofo.
▼ equineluvr
Same here. There's no such thing as a "former" CIA agent. You're a company man for life!
Secondly, he has been disseminating disinfo.
▼ rwb
Simply not true. See David Shipp, former CIA agent 22 years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCiGTdtiOf4&t=104s Although I will readily concede that they may be exceedingly rare.
▼ equineluvr
That saying is not to be taken LITERALLY. It simply reflects the ALLEGIANCE that "former" CIA ops have for the agency AND underscores that --- for that reason -- they are NOT to be trusted.
▼ notanartist
I don't know Steele's whole story, but I suspect he may have stood up for "right," and it wasn't "appreciated."
▼ Sharipie
He seems to have an agenda. Not sure what it is but hes got one. An ant rate, by virtue of what i know about the CIA, and their past activities, these people don't deserve my trust.
▼ rwb
Ray McGovern is another. See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiMkJFUyTTk&t=1746s
▼ sound_of_silence
i'm all for steele playing the role of useful tool as long as it's useful to exposing the giants of pizzagate ...... very disappointed pizzagate wasn't mentioned or alluded to in this...
i was hoping it just read "President Trump, we the people are petitioning you to investigate pizzagate" so i could sign a petition for the first time ever...
hope this works out for good tho, regardless of what the intention may be in reality... this timeline is all about irony and backfires and underdogs having their day so maybe it'll help...
▼ equineluvr
I would sign a petition like that too.
This is about RDS getting some more press. He wrote the "Memo4Trump."
This is ALL about RDS.
▼ notanartist
I agree RDS can be brash - but his ideas are good, and he truly believes Trump can turn this around. Yes, I'm sure he's glad to have his ideas heard - but he spent years out of the spotlight fighting the good fight - and I honestly don't know how he did it - I'm frustrated as Hell after a year of this.
▼ sound_of_silence
Milo should like, start that petition for reals...
i do like how now-a-days things that are "supposed to be about A" end up getting taken over and turned into things "about B" :) i hope that happens with this and every single angle and flavor of disingenuity that comes down the pike.
▼ pocketfulofstones
140 signatures as of 2/24, 5:35 PST. I think that's already more than the pizzagate one ever got lol
▼ r3dtr1x
isn't Robert Steele the ex-spook who thinks that there should be no pizzagate arrests?
▼ DeathToMasons
Bingo. Robert "EVERYBODY gets the truth, NOBODY goes to jail" Steele. Pass.
▼ OrwellKnew
eff that noise! really...
▼ notanartist
I don't like the "pass" either - the people committing these crimes need to face the same justice system that any of us "regular Joe's" would. The best chance of that happening is when Trump is operating from a position of strength. He's doing well - but the faster we show the force behind him, the faster he can clean things up - and I really believe he will.
▼ Psalm144-1
Robert Steele = Spook
▼ Agora1234
Exactly what I thought of. Smells like a limited hangout. We want a direct reference to pizza gate/pedogate/trafficking. Notice how MSM up until recently avoid the P word like the plague
▼ OrwellKnew
bingo!
▼ notanartist
I agree that the people who have committed these HORRIBLE atrocities need to face the consequences of their actions. However, that doesn't have a chance of happening if they oust Trump or do even worse to him. We have to get him in a stable position so that these things can take place.
▼ quantokitty
Yeah, why is Steele there? I wouldn't trust anything he endorses and have no idea why he's become such a presence when he's had nothing to do with Pizzagate and is trying to control the narrative with ridiculous, preposterous statements.
▼ equineluvr
Failed presidential candidate wants to "help" the POTUS.
He knows it ALL. If ONLY the POTUS will listen to HIM!
Can't stand the guy.
▼ notanartist
Have you read any of his ideas? He has some good ones. Yes, he can come off as harsh, but he wants Trump to succeed, and knows there are way too many people who want the opposite.
▼ rwb
I cannot concur with the recent stream of negative things said about RDS. I heard about him years ago (he's hardly new on the scene, although perhaps new to many critics) and generally liked a fair bit of what he was saying. He's been quite vocal in acknowledging the massive pedo problem in Washington. It seems he took a knock not long ago because he might have inadvertently advocated for something less than lynching every guilty party on the lawn of the White House. Anyone on the very front lines of this war has to be cut a certain amount of slack even just because of the nature of unscripted dialog on various talk shows. I'm not advocating for anyone to sign the petition, but the absence of a direct reference to PG is hardly a reason to dismiss it and fry RDS. The authors may have simply recognized a tactical advantage in not referencing PG in order to maximize the number of signatures, in order to maximize the the likelihood of eliciting a positive outcome, i.e., keeping DJT in the hot seat.
▼ quantokitty
Oh, for God's sake, you're leaving out that he forgot what role he was playing ... and ended the interviewer to call Robert David Steele! Cheesh! You can't get more obvious than that. Please everyone,stop clinging to these shills and propping them up. He's a fraud playing a part to control the narrative.
▼ ejd4500
You've got this wrong, such an interview doesn't exist . That quote was from another DHS insider saying that Victurus should talk to RDS. RDS never forgot anything. Sorry to come across as overly direct - but I posted in that thread that the OP had it wrong and the OP never owned up to it. You've made some good posts here in Voat re pizzagate, but I think you're way off on this.
Unless you have the source to this article - then I'd like to read it. But, the original OP sighted a quote from a DHS insider - who NEVER claimed to be RDS - that was posted on Victurus Libertas.
Here is the leak:
http://victuruslibertas.com/2017/02/exclusive_interview_with_dhs_insider/
Image of the quote, just in case you decide not to read the leak to perpetuate this misleading narrative. This quote was used by the OP who claimed that RDS forgot his name. Again, this leaker never claimed to be RDS
https://i.imgtc.com/TRffoxW.png
Article title:
https://i.imgtc.com/oWISz1t.png
▼ quantokitty
I don't believe I've got anything wrong. Here from this link: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1653834 Look at the stuff, Steele's said.
This is bullshit. Straight up complete and utter bullshit. He's as fake as fake can be, but if you want to believe, go ahead. Podesta is a monster. A MONSTER. If this guy is giving him a pass, I would think it would be obvious that he has an agenda. So thanks for the good words, but we disagree on this one.
▼ ejd4500
This statement by you ^^ is what I'm talking about. This occurrence - which was incorrectly referenced by /u/DeathToMasons here in this post: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1662524 - DID NOT HAPPEN at the original leak referenced in the post- which is a large part of the /u/DeathToMasons ' basis for calling RDS a shill. And, it looks like /u/DeathToMasons removed the assertion that RDS role-played and forgot. Here was my post to the sub stating I thought OP had it wrong, but the notion lives on and you repeate it https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1662524/8133776
So, I'm calling you out on it - not to paint you as stupid or dumb, but to say "hold on, that's not what happened"
I'm not saying Podesta is an angel, and neither is RDS - he's focused on information gathering . This is why Guantanamo is so nice, soccer fields, prayer time, etc, etc...If you threaten with death, punishment dismemberment, you get what you want to hear, which might not be the truth. If you bribe with freedom, you get a lot more. That's all this is. I want them to hang from the gallows - and you know, they probably would even if the law didn't do it to them. And, if Podesta is 'light' doesn't that concern you? Breibart himself referred to Podesta as more of a trafficker. If there are others that are worse than Podesta, and he's doing more 'delivery' than 'use' of his 'product' - then we need to know who, where and how far it goes - and if Podesta admitting to it all means he gets a harsher punishment or even reduced, why would he?
All I'm asking, is that you go a step further. Just because we are on Voat doesn't mean we can't be misled, even about RDS.
Finally, IF YOU HAVE THE LINK where RDS role-play's and forgets, I'll eat crow and up-vote you every time I see a post from you :) but no one has shown it to me yet. And if /u/DeathToMasons checks in here, I'd like you to produce the URL showing RDS forgot and blew his cover. I don't think /u/DeathToMasons will because it was removed from the original post anyway instead of striking out which would be owning up to the lie in the post about RDS.
Here's the link the OP referenced in the original sub: http://victuruslibertas.com/2017/02/exclusive_interview_with_dhs_insider/ (no mention here that the leaker is RDS, but at the end "I have to go, but please contact Robert David Steele, the former CIA agent we discussed"
Here's the original voat sub: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1662524
Here's my reply https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1662524/8133776
Here's another Voater telling /u/DeatToMasons to use strikeout on the error, but instead, removes it entirely. This is very suspect in my opinion - be very sure you're not being shilled by a double-agent shiller . The only posts this user had done are to discredit RDS, that's it. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1662524/8142296
▼ quantokitty
RDS has discredited himself with his statements. He's not to be trusted. If you think he is, I can live with that, but there's no way I would believe anything he has to say.
Thanks for the info.
▼ ejd4500
That's fine that you believe that - but if you must try to convince others, don't use false statements to do it. You've got a decent reputation here, but don't ruin it with stuff like this.
▼ quantokitty
What's the adage? If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything? Believe me, I've earned some pretty heavy detractors along the way. Not happy or sad about it ... the major pushback I've received is filed under the heading: JUST THE WAY IT IS. Proposing giving a pass to predators is a fast way for someone to get on my Shit List. No passes -- not ever. Every single one needs to be arrested. Giving passes is how we got into this mess.
▼ rwb
What interview? Regardless, it is apparent that he is desperate to contact President Trump. There are essentially two plausible reasons why:
He is an agent for the CIA, feigning (for thirty years??) to be retired but is actually still active and attempting to gain access to DJT for nefarious reasons.
He is a former CIA agent, retired from the agency for over thirty years, who believes DJT is in jeopardy and feels his council could benefit.
Number two is far more plausible, mainly because it remains highly unlikely that RDS will ever get the access to Trump that he desires through his imploring, petitions etc,, and CIA would know this. Why create a former CIA officer to slander the agency in public while clamoring to see DJT when they already have unfettered access to same? If CIA wanted someone on the inside of DJT's inner circle, how likely is it for them to broadcast their selection on every alternative news platform going on a whim and prayer that DJT actually accepts?
Nothing is certain in this crazy world, but for the time being (until I see some real evidence) I remain confident that RDS is what he presents, that being a former CIA agent with a military background, removed from the shadow government, who does not want to see DJT fall or be assassinated.