rodental

Ok. I hope you get well.

rodental

Sorry, but I'm not going to lie to you to spare your feelings. You have chosen to believe in ridiculous untruths and base your life around them, and what's worse you have done so as an adult. That is absolute and utter stupidity, and probably mental illness as well. I know you find that insulting, but hopefully one day you will realize that I'm actually trying to help you. You will go to church and everybody around you will tell you conforting lies and train you to believe falsehoods, and maybe you can go on living happily in your insane bubble of lies. I will tell you the truth even if it's hard to bear. Who is really your friend?

Anyways, I'm sorry that you've suffered, there is no shame in being a victim as a child, and you shouldn't feel that there is. Best of luck, and I hope you recover.

rodental

Well, unfortunately you're wrong. You're teaching people lies, and that is a disservice to them. To your credit, I think you honestly believe the lies you're telling. To your discredit believing that such ridiculous myths are truth indicates great stupidity. I have to temper that with the fact that you may have been brainwashed into the Christian church at a young age, in which case the blame lies with your guardians who allowed you to come to such harm as a child.

Once again, if you want to make a difference, go public under your real name. The whole reason this sub exists is to prevent children from being abused, and the only way we are going to be able to do that is to have evidence.

In any case, I thank you for the discussion. I just want you to know that even though I despise your religion I do not despise you, and I hope you have the strength to bear the burdens upon you. Let's us both pray (me to the indifferent universe, you to your god) that we can put and end to any and every person who dares to molest or abuse a child

rodental

Why would a person deceive a person they respect? Deception is used when you are: A, trying to take advantage of a persons lack of information; B, you don't believe a person is worthy of the basic courtesy of telling them the truth; C, you believe that telling a person the truth would place an unfair burden on them. You don't lie to those you respect, you lie to those you have contempt for.

I am a Satanist, insofar as I believe that the Rules of the Earth are the best ethical code for navigating in modern society. I don't, however, believe in God, or Satan, or any other supernatural entity. Before this whole pizzagate thing if you had told me that there were actually Satanists who did, and who practiced actual evil rituals I would have said that you're an idiot. Now I'm not so sure, there is some evidence of a ritual element in some of these cases.

If you were actually abused by a Luciferian pedophile ring then you should help the investigation by going public.

AmishMechWarrior

I don't believe in "satan", but satanists are clearly real, and are clearly an organizational tool for psychopaths. They can do all the voodoo nonsense they want as long as they don't involve any kids or animals in it. If they cross that line, I will applaud any ill fate that may befall them as a result.

fuspezza

They strive for the Right now.Those evil souls don't care about the future their brain is incapable of seeing the grater good of the beautiful future that you may experience if you try dream and work. What they are not told is the power of forgiveness repeant the time is now

TheTrigger

...only if enough people will it!

DarkFae

I also find it really fucking interesting that this is also the day for the mass meditation on stopping child trafficking. Js.

DarkFae

Well, depending on your particular spiritual belief system, it could be 3 fold. Not necessarily 10. But this is by far thee most irresponsible shit I've seen thus far. Most of these idiots have not a single clue what the hell they're doing or the consequences they're about to have to face.

SweetCarolyn_4Jesus

I'm a Christian that believes the Bible, Jesus cast demons out of people and the New Testament confirms the existence of witchcraft. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, (Galatians 5:19-20)

TrishaUK

** can anyone let me know if Harley Shane on YouTube is genuine? this is what he has but no info on his 'about' page! views: 1,517 subscribers: 257,619 Joined Dec 7, 2016 I have some reservations about him now since hes posted 12 videos in 3 hours??? Can you fake how many subscribers you have? (I DON'T WANT TO FOLLOW A FAKE PERSON) THX IF NOT: HE SHARED THIS WHICH LOOKS GREAT: A NEW EXCELLENT video LINKS Hillary Clinton to Little Red Fox, thanks to Harley Shayne on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JFH9SOyFMU great explanation!

ScientiaPotentia

I entered a Star Gate from the real world. Just to let you all know; this is the bizarro joke world.

Edit: Don't worry, Donald Trump wins the Presidency in my world too, but he takes over from Hitler as a reformer.

0xFFF

For what its worth we had MSM new article today how one could cast a spell on trump. With entails explanations and all.....step by step guide to occultist ritual... in biggest newspaper here in austria

crashing_this_thread

I can't wait to see their faces when they realize they will die like everyone else. Deluded fucks.

Pizzainmyass

Legit dumb ass

Touchdown50

Who says they are wrong? They are still ASSHOLES

Pizzainmyass

No you were being a dick. Nothing in this convo is even relevant to pg smh

rodental

As I've said, you are welcome to believe whatever you will. I will fight for your right to do so. But don't ask me to tell you that Christianity is other than what it is, because to a Satanist deception indicates a lack of respect. Your god is a pathetic farce, your religion is a sham designed to make you docile, and I will fight for its destruction until the end of my days, to the betterment of mankind. As a fellow human I respect you and thank you for the discussion.

Touchdown50

Of course but i dont go to funerals telling grieving families that their love ones are going to hell. There is a difference

Pizzainmyass

Hahahaha elaborate

Pizzainmyass

Ok

I_have_my_gun_ready

Something just occured to me was...

Why would witches, pagans, and every other person that practices magic (dark) want to BIND Trump and his followers?

So far Trump's said he wants to:

1) Get rid of Obama care. No, they couldn't care that much about healthcare.

2) Deport illegal aliens! No, some of them may care about that. Some of them may be illegal, but they didn't decide to come together to bind Trump and his followers after he signed the order to deport illegal aliens or even after the Muslim ban.

Or could it be....

3) Trump announces that he and his administration are going to focus on and STOP HUMAN TRAFFICKING!!!

DING, DING....All.of a sudden, there's a call to EVERYONE that practices magic and witchcraft, to come together and BIND US FROM SUCEEDING.

You sick, depraved BASTERDS! You HIDE behind freedom of religion!!! You claim your bring UNJUSTLY persecuted!!

WE SEE YOU NOW! WE KNOW WHAT YOU ARE!

I WON'T EXTRACT VENGEANCE ON YOU!!

I DON'T HAVE TO, MY FATHER, MY GOD WILL DO IT FOR ME!

Touchdown50

Amen.

I_have_my_gun_ready

Look at these quotes I found of Aleister Crowley's. He was the founder of the Satanic Church:

Magical Diaries of Aleister Crowley : Tunisia 1923 (1996), edited by Stephen Skinner p. 21. . Black magic is not a myth. It is a totally unscientific and emotional form of magic, but it does get results — of an extremely temporary nature. The RECOIL upon those who practice it is terrific.

It is like looking for an escape of gas with a lighted candle. As far as the search goes, there is little fear of failure.

To practice black magic you have to violate every principle of science, DECENCY, and intelligence. You must be obsessed with an insane idea of the importance of the petty object of your wretched and selfish desires.

If the FOUNDER of the Satanic Church says black magics temporary and the recoil's terrible. You'd have to be CRAZY TO EVEN TRY IT!

Touchdown50

To exist is merely a question of why.

I_have_my_gun_ready

I prayed this morning too, and I just real that today was the day for the mass prayer!

TheTrigger

meme magic is real

AmishMechWarrior

The Salem witchcraft cases turned out to be caused by ergot fungus. Magical thinking is illogical by definition.

Touchdown50

Ok. They have a right to their opinion.my opinion is they are a bunch of ASSHOLES

madhatter67

The universe is amazing for sure!

Good will prevail

I_have_my_gun_ready

The Bible says God will win in the end! I don't doubt God and his power one bit!

Touchdown50

Are you a westboro member?

Touchdown50

If you think being insensitive to peoples emotions is faggotry then you should be thrown in the same pitbull filled shithole with podesta and his ilk so everyone can laugh at you when pitbulls tear you apart alive

Touchdown50

Thats it. They have a right to protest freedom of speech etc but they are a bunch of insensitive ASSHOLES.

Touchdown50

They are insensitive.

SweetCarolyn_4Jesus

Jump in the lake Christian hater!

GeorgeHodelDidit

He would float being a damn witch....

Pwning4Ever

Not worried, spells are not real.

Touchdown50

Oh yes they are

strix-varia

Don't know who this guy is...Dinesh D'Souza

Baxterbaxter

Wrote Hillary's America- great book and movie. Red-pill your friends.

Touchdown50

Fuck those assholes

GeorgeHodelDidit

Westboro Baptist is a CIA Sex Cult designed to make Christians look stupid. They need your prayers more than anything.

Jem777

Nice work

rodental

God exists exactly as much as Satan: not at all.

I_have_my_gun_ready

Sorry you feel that way. I guess someday you'll find out if your right or not. Better HOPE your right. But there seems to be a fair amount of people that believe in Satan, just like people believe in God.

rodental

I consider myself a mild Satanist, but I believe in neither God nor Satan nor any other superstitious nonsense.

I_have_my_gun_ready

Also, I've tried to explain that I don't believe all Satanist are pedophiles,and not all pedophiles are Satanist. But there is a group of Satanist (I don't know how big) that are pedophiles, and they do kidnap, rape and kill people in satanic rituals.

rodental

I hate to admit it, but I'm starting to believe that myself. 6 months ago I would have laughed and called you an idiot if you told me that there were real, honest-to-god ritual Satanists who actually met and sacrificed children. Now I've seen too much evidence that there is actually a ritual element to this whole thing and I'm unsure.

That is not cool for me, because: 1. I believe that there is no circumstance where it is permissible to intentionally harm a child (except maybe in some game theory scenarios that never happen in real life), and I fucking hate pedophiles and believe that every one should hang; 2. It's really annoying when people trash on Satanists because of some cult of pedocannibal whackos they think are us.

I_have_my_gun_ready

Okay the quote I gave you doesn't specifically say Jack Parsons dabble in pedophila, and he may never harmed a child. But we know there's a link between Satanist and pedophiles. I think the core members of the church of Satan moved from, adultery and incest to pedophile to help boost their magick.

rodental

There are probably Satanist pedophiles, but most of us would be every bit as appalled by them as you would. And LaVey and his buddies were out there cats, personally I think the way they acted verged between the comical and the asinine.

Magic in LaVeyan satanism has nothing to do with the supernatural. It's basically cheap psychological trickery to put you into different mental states. Personally I never touch the stuff and I think it's pretty stupid.

I_have_my_gun_ready

Glad to hear that. But have you ever heard his son Anthony LaVay talk about his father's temple? Anthony claimed he saw terrible things done to children. He says his dad and counsel of 13 castrated him because he refused to take his father's place in the church.

You may think alot of what he says is crap, but I don't know of any guys that would admit to having no balls, so they can make their dad and his temple look bad.

rodental

I've seen that bandied around on Christian forums, but I've never actually found a reliable source. Do you have one?

I_have_my_gun_ready

If your talking about that quote I sent you, it's from this book: Pendle, George (2006). Strange Angel: The Otherworldly Life of Rocket Scientist John Whiteside Parsons. Orlando, FL: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. ISBN 978-0-15-603179-0

rodental

K, I'll see if I can find it at the secondhand book store.

I_have_my_gun_ready

That's what Im trying to explain Satanist like you that are NOT pedophiles. Satanism at its core (the hiarchy of the satanic tremple) practice magick and indulge in pedophiliac rituals and murders.

I stumbled up on this fact when I was researching L Ron Hubbard. His second wife Sara was a member of Aleister Crowley's Temple.

Sara was having an affair with her sister, Helen's husband Jack Parsons, before L. Ron showed up and stole her from Jack. Jack later claimed that the incest and affair he had with Sara had gave him what he need to work his magick:

** Parsons told himself that his affair with Sara (whom he called Betty) marked a KEY step in his growth as a practitioner of magick: "Betty served to affect a transference from Helen at a critical period ... Your passion for Betty also gave you the magical FORCE needed at the time, and the act of adultery tinged with incest, served as your magical confirmation in the law of Thelema.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Northrup_Hollister

Fyi..Jack Parsons is an interesting guy. He developed the first jet engine. Help found the company Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and JPL is located at NASA.

rodental

You're goddamn right I'm not a pedophile. Pedophiles are disgusting perversions who need to be burnt out of the social fabric. Harming an innocent is one of the most horrific things a man can do, and should be met with the harshest punishment a society permits.

Anyways, I don't believe in magic in any supernatural sense. The magic practiced by LaVey was just cheap psychological trickery and manipulation imho, and I don't go near the stuff.

I_have_my_gun_ready

Hey rodental.. delete that 2 to the last reply ai sent you. I'm not sure I should have conected the dots in public. Thanks

rodental

?

I_have_my_gun_ready

Fyi..Hey, my phone's at 2%. I've got it plugged up, but it may die.

rodental

We can pick this up again later, but I'm going to bed now.

I_have_my_gun_ready

Okay. Have a good night!

rodental

You too.

I_have_my_gun_ready

Sorry, I had to take a short break.

rodental

K, well I've gotta call it a night. Thank you for the discussion.

I_have_my_gun_ready

I know your NOT a pedophile. I've never said you are.

rodental

It's cool man.

I_have_my_gun_ready

Yes, I know. I've heard Satanist say they don’t believe in either God or Satan. I've heard them say they call themselves Satanist for shock value! But my question is why even bother? If you don't believe in Heaven or Hell, why join a church just to mock something you don't agree with, or like?

rodental

It's not for shock value, it's because the ethical system we practice is the antithesis of the weak moral code preached by your pathetic stick god. Satan represents the adversary of the blind belief and self abnegation that Christianity represents. I guarantee that if you meet a Satanist in real life (and you have I'm sure) they would never, ever mention it because it's a personal code, not a religion.

I_have_my_gun_ready

Why you think love and kindness are weak is complete BEYOND me!!?? It seems to me that your sterile codes are more WEAKER than mine.

It's EASY to turn away from trouble. It's EASY to care ONLY about YOURSELF!

How much MORE of an EFFORT do I HAVE TO MAKE to care about YOU? To NOT just look after MYSELF, but to care for myself and others?

My beliefs seem to require a LOT MORE EFFORT on my part, and MUCH more discipline than your codes.

rodental

Love is not weak. Love binds us, love gives meaning to our social constructs, love is - for the luckiest of us - the bond that holds our best relationships together. Why do you say that love is weak?

Kindness is not weakness. Kindness in a man may reveal a generous spirit, a benevolent nature, a willingness to give of the self. You must be careful of kindness though, some wear it as a mask to hide great darkness and cruelty. Kindness shows great merit in the giver, but it must be a voluntary giving. Under no circumstance should a man be expected to be kind if he feels it is not deserved.

Did you even read what I wrote? Satanism isn't about being selfish, it's about the fundamental self. Each one of us is a (more or less) equal consciousness in a vast, cold, and uncaring universe. Satanism is about the relationships between different actors, each of whom have a different self, different motivations, goals, aspirations, needs, beliefs, desires, and places in the world. A Satanist realizes that his own self is not fundamentally different from that of others except insofar that it is his own.

rodental

Well, for myself and the majority of Satanists I've talked to, it's not a church. I mean, we don't gather together and do Satany things together. I'm sure there are some Satanists who do, but I've never talked to them. It's a personal ethical code.

  1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

  2. Don't tell others your problems unless you're sure they want to hear them.

  3. Be respectful in other people's territory.

  4. If somebody in your territory annoys you treat him cruelly and without mercy.

  5. Do not make unwanted sexual advances.

  6. Don't take things you don't own unless you're asked to.

  7. If you've used magic to obtain your desire then don't deny that it works.

  8. Don't complain about anything you make a choice to subject yourself to.

  9. Dont' harm children.

  10. Don't harm animals except in self defense or for food.

  11. When in public don't bother anybody. If somebody bothers you ask him to stop. If he won't stop then destroy him.

I_have_my_gun_ready

Let me first say, that I'm a Christian, and I do not and will not judge you, or your beliefs. Everyone has to walk his own path. 8

Some of your codes seem to be common sense. Though I know there are many people out there don't seem to have any common sense! :)

Also, let me say sorry, because I believe I'm about to break your code 1.

The thing that strikes me the most about your codes is how ISOLATING they are?

Don't talk to anyone about your problems stands out the most to me!

Everyone has problems from time to time. To have to bottle those problems up, and not talk about them seem very painful!

For me if a friend or family member has a problem.

I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT! I WANT TO HELP THEM!

Because you see for ME, helping you, or listening to you is NOT a burden. It's NOT an imposition. It makes ME FEELGOOD.

I know there are people that would say I'm make weak, emotional, or easily taken advantage of, but I'm NOT. Taking YOUR burdens on, on top of MY own burdens makes me incredibly STRONG.

My hope is that if I help YOU out when you're having a tough time, then maybe YOU'LL help me out later when I'm having a tough time.

Or, maybe you won't.

It doesn't really matter to me. You don't have too. Because like I said helping you out makes ME FEEL GOOD!

So in away it's a puely selfish act on my part. And also, my religion teaches me there's always HOPE for the future!

So I know that if in the future you decide you won't listen to me, or help me out, my God will send me someone else that will.

Stay safe friend.

rodental

As a Satanist I feel I must tell you that I absolutely do judge both you and your beliefs. Judgement is the foremost attribute of mankind, it is what sets us apart from the beasts. Your religion is a farce, a social construct engineered by a ruthless elite to make you into docile herd animals so that they can slaughter you at their pleasure. I despise your religion and what it stands for, and I want to see it destroyed because I believe it is one of the worst atrocities ever visited upon humankind.

This is a forum for discussion, you're not breaking rule 1. Even if you were, they're more guidelines that hard rules like the Ten Commandments. I welcome your opinion, to the betterment of both of us.

I think you misunderstand the spirit of the rule "Do not tell your problems to others unless you are sure they want to hear them". This is a rule which is primarily about respecting others. Basically, it means not to burden others with things that aren't their fault or problem. Every person has their own problems, and their own burdens to bear, and it is extremely disrespectful to add yours to theirs. That doesn't mean you can't talk about your problems, it just means that you should be sure about your relationship with the person you are talking to and know that: A, they care enough about you that they want to know about it; B. the knowledge wouldn't be a burden that it's unreasonable to ask the person to bear. Would I tell my problems to my wife? Absolutely, she's my partner in this life and our burdens are mutual. Would I tell a friend? Probably not all of my burdens, but part of friendship is sharing burdens, so in some cases yes. Would I tell a boss or subordinate? No. It's not their problem, and they don't deserve to have to deal with it. It's not about bottling things up, it's about making sure that what your saying is appropriate to your audience.

If you help me I will pay my debt if I am able. It would be very disrespectful to do otherwise.

God doesn't exist, and I hope someday the universe lets you understand that. In any case, thank you for the discussion, and best of luck in our battle against these pedophile freaks.

I_have_my_gun_ready

I understand what your saying, but I think there's huge difference in the way we look at things, and what we each consider respectful.

I don't see that someone telling me their problems is being disrespectful. Whether we're really good friends, or not.

If you came to me with your problems, I would actually be flattered that you thought so much of my opinion, you would come to me and tell me your problems.

It would actually make me feel pretty good about myself, and that's NOT a bad thing.

I understand that not everyone feels this way, but there are a lot of people that do.

Also, I don't think it's disrespect for someone to ask me to help pay a bill.

Contrary to popular belief most people feel embarrassed and degraded when they have to ask someone to help them pay bills.

So again, for me it's very flattering that you ask me for help.

It means you trust me enough to not turn away from you, or to redicule you when you come to me at a VERY LOW point in your life, and ask for help.

To me that's the defintion of respect. I trust you, I believe in you, and I know you can help me, or at least will try.

Also, again I have to disagree. There IS a God, and I pray that someday soon you'll realize that.

Thank you too for the discussion, I'm always interested in learning opposing views.

Now let's go CATCH some pedophiles!! :)

rodental

Ok, let's role-play this a bit. You're you, your name is Sally, and you work at the local corner store. I'm me, my name is Bob, and I've worked with you for going on three years, on the same night shift. We fucked a couple times the first year, but there really wasn't any chemistry, and since then we've been buddies at work and incommunicado outside of work. I'm going to tell you three problems I've had and we'll see how you react to each.

First one: Hey Sally, how's it Going?

S'alright, Bob, how are you?

Not great, i hit a cat with my car on the way to work, i feel so bad.

I_have_my_gun_ready

Okay I don't think this version really applies to your codes, because I have a relationship with this guy, even though it's a bad one.

But luck for you I've actually had a similar experience.

What I say is, I'm really sorry to hear that. That's a really messed up way to start the day.

But really there' s nothing I can to bring the cat back, or ro make him feel better. So I'd pretty much leave it at that.

rodental

That's the whole point: what is an acceptable burden to place on a person given their relationship with you.

Second one: How's it Goin' Bob?

It's the worst night of my life, I think my wife is cheating on me, I don't know, but... hey can you cover for me so I can go spy on her?

I_have_my_gun_ready

Telling me you ran over your cat and your having a bad day, is NOT a burden to me. I'm not going to internalize it. It's not going to effect MY day.

It actually helps me to understand why, your in a bad mood and your doing a crappy job at work.

No, I'm not covering for you at work so you can go spy on your wife. BUT you can tell me WHY you think your wife's cheating on you.

Maybe MY perspective might help you realize your paranoid, or maybe she really is cheating on you. Either way, whether she is, or isn't cheating on you doesn't effect me or my world. I'm going to continue to work, and live my life.

You see from what I've seen your religion doesn't believe in forgiveness.

But my religion teaches forgiveness is essential, to being forgiven.

So even though this guy hurt me in the past, I can forgive him for it, and move on with my life.

I don't wish him harm. It comes back to me helping you, and you hopefully helping me, later on if I need it.

heywhatsgoingon

I cant respect a satanist. At least be an atheist. You're rejecting religion by embracing a cult? Thats really not a good look.

rodental

It's not a cult. I mean, I've never even met another Satanist. It's a series of guidelines about how to live ethically and empower yourself. And one of the main rules is "Don't hurt children", which is why I'm here trying to help you crazy-ass religious motherfuckers expose some disgusting monsters.

heywhatsgoingon

First, thank you for the help. But seriously that's like believing a guy called Traitor McMurder telling you "don't worry, I'm not gonna hurt any kids." LeVey was associated with Aquino and probably raped and murdered kids, and of course he would lie about it. It's called SATANism! How much more obvious does it need to be?

The entire concept of satanism is a lure, if I were you I'd just be an atheist or agnostic and not associate with friggin movements that are named after evil religious entities.

Although I seriously think God is real even if purely for cosmological reasons. The enemy of these child killers is the God of Christianity, who is frequently said to be violent in the old testament; but guess what, most of that violence was directed at the child killing cultures!

rodental

Well, it's the most sensible and practical ethical philosophy I've ever found as far as living in our modern world goes, ànd Ive never talked to a Satanist who would ever consider hurting a kid. It's called Satanism because we reject the weak moral code preached by your pathetic stick god. But

I had heard that there is another type of Satanist that actually believes in Satan and tries to do evil, but until this whole pizzagate thing it never once occured to me that might be more than a myth.

heywhatsgoingon

Hate to break it to you but the "good" one is a cover for the bad one. Look into LeVays connection to Aquino.

Christianity isn't designed to lure, it is aware that it's challenging and that most people won't get into it, and even many "Christians" will not make it because they're actually full of it. The entire premise is the challenge! Several parables indicate that most men are too morally weak to make it. Incidentally, that's why it's not practical. It's a discipline test. Heck, the central figure and many of his followers were tortured to death for their beliefs!

If anything is designed to deceive, it's the easy going, practical system that appeals to the creature comforts of humanity and focuses on vague, feel-good, romanticized concepts.

rodental

Dude, I've read everything there is to read about LaVey. And let me tell you, that man and his religion look pretty peachyncompared to, say, the Catholic Church. That said, I don't worship or even particularly respect Anton LaVey, I just think that the ethical rules he devised are more or less the same as the ones a rational man would invent in a vacuum.

heywhatsgoingon

I'm a Christian and I completely denounce the Catholic Church too. They are humans. Christianity is ONLY about Christ and his teachings, period. Anything else is human scheming. The whole concept of Pope and Church with a capital C is offensive.

Jesus openly says that many, if not most who call themselves Christians will not be saved.

LaVey talks a good game but that's his MO. Deception. You attract more flies with honey than vinegar.

rodental

I was a Christian for 25 years before I saw the light of rationality. I actually did a year of seminary.

heywhatsgoingon

I see. Well, I'm glad you're well versed in it. I can only say I hope you can come back to it some day with a different outlook, which is to completely lose the mainstream views of it and go minimalist. The cushy version which is propagated by the mainstream view is the result of marketing. The truth is it was never meant to be easy. It's probably the hardest mission I've ever had in my life. And of course it's hard. This is the religion which asks you to endure the great pain and struggle of this world, and to confess your sins and repent. And it's so hard that nobody can do this to perfection, so we're supposed to let Jesus do that for us. That's what the faith is. It's isn't just random faith in a random book.

Somewhat jokingly, I'd say this was the "eat your vegetables and do your homework" religion. The homework part is particularly true, because so much stuff in the Bible needs to be researched in order to understand. There are also some forgeries that made it into certain versions. But I've never gotten permanently hung up on any of these issues after doing my homework.

rodental

And I hope that one day you gather enough wisdom so that you can see Christianity for what it is: a construction of a ruthless elite who have for 1500ish years used it to mold western society into a pathetic herd of easily controlled cattle so that they can slaughter you at will.

I've read the Bible about two dozen times, in every major English version, plus the apocrypha and the gnostic gospels if you ever want to discuss particular aspects of it.

Touchdown50

Your wrong. They both exist.

rodental

Gonna have to see some proof for that claim.

stretched_girl

I've seen them in a movie before!

heywhatsgoingon

You're entitled to your beliefs, but remember that you believe in spontaneous existence, which even by atheist logic is not much "better" than believing in God. Existence itself is completely crazy, and its real and you believe in it. May as well believe in God then.

rodental

I don't really believe in much of anything, belief requires faith, which is another way of saying irrationality. I simply try to pick the most logical conclusion based on what evidence there is. I just try to live a good life, not hurt people who don't deserve it, and try to learn a bit about the universe.

heywhatsgoingon

Dont you believe in existence? Because existence is absolutely "crazy," I would say it's on par with God. And we do exist.

Belief in God is much more than just faith. Dont be fooled by simplistic buzzwords. Faith is how you apply belief in God once you have it, but it's not the premise of the belief.

rodental

Gonna need a pretty precise definition of exist if you want me to touch that one.

What's the premise?

heywhatsgoingon

I'm just saying existence itself is unfathomable to us humans. I define it with the question: why is there something rather than nothing? And note that "nothing" doesn't mean empty space because empty space is something (spacetime). And yet we know existence is real. This means that we can't rule out an explanation like God.

The premise of Christianity isn't just "ok just blindly believe this stuff without looking into it." You have faith in God after you get on board and know what Christianity is. It isn't just random blind faith, it's faith in something that you have reason to trust. It's a decision you make. And it is not based on appealing marketing, nor can it be, because it's not a religion of consumption. Many Christians present it as such, but they are wrong.

The moral code of western civilization is based on Christianity. You can describe it as "weak" but it isn't. We are so immersed in the sense of right and wrong that we take for granted where it came from.

rodental

I've never been convinced by that argument before, and I don't think I'll start today. It's impossible to define 'exist'. The concept is a human abstraction.

I was a Christian for 25 years, and I did a year of Seminary, I know the spiel. At the end of the day, you choose to believe things that are completely and utterly lacking an evidential basis. Faith is the antithesis of rationality.

It is not. Unless I missed the part where Jesus said "deliver to brown people my most fearsome ordnance, that you may take their oil. Keep the black skinned man in the ghetto when you can, and make unto thyself mad ducats so ye can buy a pimpin' room in heaven when ye die. Love your neighbor as yourself, lol, jk, every man for himself". It is weak because it's based on the nonsensical belief that there is a God who gives a damn and will punish those who are evil.

I know that there are evil men in this world, and the truth is that many or even most of them will never pay a price for their evil. I know that there are good men in this world who bear burdens of suffering wildly disproportionate to any harm they've ever done, and the fact is that many or most will die without recourse or succor. There is no god who cares either way, the only ones who can help or change things are us.

heywhatsgoingon

Humans being terrible is fundamental to Christianity. And the crimes you mentioned are condemned by Christian doctrine. If we learned anything from PG, it's that HW Bush and his ilk are Satanists posing as Christians. The punishment was never supposed to happen immediately. This was explicitly demonstrated by Jesus himself in various parts of the bible.

But anyway, thanks for hearing me out at least. I said what I have to say, and I read and considered your views and took them seriously, but we'll have to agree to disagree.

rodental

Exactly. Me, I think that's a crock of shit. Humans aren't inherently terrible, or inherently good. Each of us develops as a product of our circumstances and the choices we make. I don't need your god's false redemption because I deny that I've ever done anything I need to be redeemed for.

You believe that you (and the rest of us) will be rewarded or punished in the afterlife. The problem with that is that Christians have time and time again used that as an excuse to commit all kinds of atrocities and to let other evils pass without resistance here in the real world. You keep people docile with the belief of a better existence they don't even have to fight for, and they go to their graves, still suffering and downtrodden, believing the lie. I just hope that as you finally sink into the long dark you have one moment of clarity and realize that your life has been wasted following false idols, but if I've learned one thing it's that there is no inherent justice in the universe.

heywhatsgoingon

People using it as an excuse to commit atrocities doesn't really speak to the doctrine itself, but to the nature of humans, who you view as neutral.

I also don't think it's something you don't have to fight for. It's very hard. I'd argue airhead Christians who think it's all good and don't do anything are hypocrites. Hypocrisy is not exclusive to Christianity. It tends to cluster around anything that's difficult, and Christianity happens to be difficult.

But anyway, good discussion.

rodental

That's a fair point, but if we take history as our guide we have to realize that the doctrine has rarely had much sway on the reality of the Church (and I use this term generally to represent the amalgamation of all the Christian faiths). The history of Christianity is one of barbarous atrocity, brutality, oppression, and a ruling elite that have used it as a tool for social control to the great detriment of the average man. I don't know who said it, but I once heard it said: "Religion is judged truth by the common man, foolishness by the wise man, and useful by the rulers". That to me sums up Christianity's entire history after it went from a crowd-sourced grass-roots movement to a corporate enterprise in the fourth century.

That said, I don't actually think Christianity has a terrible moral code. We probably align on more moral issues than we don't. The problem is that some of the ones we don't agree on make our views irreconcilable. The idea of turning the other cheek is abhorrent to me. I would never intentionally cause unnecessary harm to another, and I expect the same from those around me. If somebody wants to break that rule and harm me then I am no longer bound by it either; in that case I will do my best to destroy them. This is the first great social lever in Christianity. The elite have trained you to take constant abuse passively.

Forgiveness, likewise, although forgiveness is appropriate in some relationships and circumstances. Forgiveness comes from love of a person, and must be given freely. Under no circumstances should a wronged man give forgiveness unwillingly. Forgiveness is the second great social lever. The elite have trained you to forgive even their worst abuses so that they may remain the elite.

Faith is probably the biggest problem though. I believe that what sets me apart from the animals is that I have the ability to make rational abstract judgements based on evidence i encounter. What I believe is a constantly evolving process which is molded and shaped by my experiences. It's important here to make a distinction: I don't "believe" in anything in the sense that you "believe" in God. I look for the most logical explanation given the evidence I have, and I accept that as likely (but never absolute) truth. Faith requires the suspension of judgment. Faith is the belief that something is true regardless of any evidence or lack thereof. To have faith you must give up your judgement on that issue. You're giving up part of what makes you human. Faith is the third great social lever in Christianity. They've taught you to believe untruths with fervent conviction. They promise you a better life in the afterlife, so you toil your whole life in that false hope until darkness takes you. They've taught you that a 2000 year old book written by primitive savages is a smart place to look for guidance. And now in this brave future of computers in every pocket, rocketships, airplanes, lasers, internet, nuclear weapons, and robots, and medicine you try to force on society a moral code suited to society 2000 years ago. Faith lets them lie to you constantly and for you to believe their lies.

sleepingbeautycan

Right after you prove your claim

rodental

Fair point. However, I feel I should add that it's reasonable not to believe in something for which absolutely no evidence exists, but not so reasonable to believe in something for which absolutely no evidence exists. Saying "I believe in God" has exactly the same validity as saying "I believe the world is being run by magical purple mind control unicorns".

antiracist

@SarMegahhikkitha @bojangles @eagleshigh

Hay guyz check out this guy'z claim dat god b a unicorn an sheiit.

He is pulling an @Crensch part 5 here. https://voat.co/v/Theology/comments/1227946

See how useful it is to categorize this shit?

rodental

You're an idiot.

n0etics

Absolutely no evidence is a silly way to phrase it. Saying "I don't believe in God" is the same as saying "I fully believe that humans can process and understand with ease all that is around them"

What we call a quark could easily be evidence to point towards any deity (save for personifications of them) being real. Just because the language used is foreign doesn't mean the point is moot.

(happy that I got so deep into science that I've broken past the barrier of atheism :D )

rodental

God may exist in some sense (i.e. a being that exists on a completely different scale both in time, complexity, and size), but if it does (and there is no evidence whatsoever that this is so) it has absolutely no relation to the personalized God claimed by any of the world's religions. God in the sense that any religious person believes does not exist, and for any who claim it does I absolutely challenge you to produce any evidence of that.

n0etics

"absolutes" and your use of them further degrade your argument

rodental

I've got a lot of downvotes, but in my entire life I have yet to see somebody come up with a reasonable rebuttal to that argument. I mean, you are free to choose to believe in whatever ridiculous arbitrary thing you want to, but please recognize that it completely flies in the face of rational thought.

n0etics

I think that you've narrowed your scope far too much. If you feel that it's rational to believe that a human being has some inherent trait that allows them to perceive all that is in the universe then I have news for you... Look at the LHCs we have now, massive particle colliders made only for the sake of trying to glimpse something that by all logic MUST BE THERE, but has yet to be observed by man. Can you really make that claim with confidence in the face of the past 100+ years of scientific breakthroughs?

Also not that it matters too much but I've yet to downvote you once. Downvotes aren't productive to the exchange of ideas, conversation is the most productive to that end.

rodental

We can generally measure things we can't perceive if they exist. To my knowledge there has never been even the slightest suggestion of evidence measured by any means which would lead any rational person to conclude that any of the gods invented by humanity (or any god whatsoever) exists.

n0etics

Not once did I argue the strawman you keep bringing up of a human-created deity being fact. I understand that's the path you've gotten yourself stuck in but if you step outside that mindset and broaden your scope a bit you might well see the mistake you're making with your assumption that god doesn't exist (as you stated previously)

rodental

Well, if you agree to the definition of God as some nebulous being that's completely beyond our understanding or ability to perceive, and who is on such a vastly different scale that he is incapable of even perceiving us then I'm willing to admit it's possible (although once again, there is absolutely no evidence to even suggest this might be the case). If you believe in a personal god who has dealings with humanity then I categorically reject that hypothesis.

n0etics

(we really should take this to the theology board or pm but) "God as some nebulous being that's completely beyond our understanding " Yes in part although not beyond understanding, just beyond quantifying with relative ease due to our current limitations. "or ability to perceive" Well no, and yes. We "know" that there is something more powerful than humans that runs the entire show, and we are currently trying to figure out what this "thing" is. "god who has dealings with humanity". In what way would you believe that the physical world is SEPARATE from humanity?

rodental

I reject your premise. We do not know that "there is something more powerful than humans that runs the entire show".

n0etics

Yes we do though. We can easily prove that with all of physics. I don't get why it's so hard for you to grasp this concept honestly. Do you think that humans are the power that moves planets in their orbits? Do you think that it's only gravity? Possibly something else we have only proven through equations? If you can prove to me that humans are the sole operators in the universe then I invite you to do so.

rodental

Oh yeah? That's interesting, because I majored in engineering with a minor in physics, and I wasn't aware of that. Do you feel like backing that claim up with some sort of evidence?

n0etics

Also feel free to answer my questions for me. Since you seem to be convinced that humans are the only operators in the equation of what is, and your minor in physics (major in engineering, which show's you have little to no grasp of particle physics), i'm sure you can prove your point... right?

rodental

I've never claimed anything of the sort. Humans are utterly insignificant on the universal scale.

n0etics

Sure, through pm. We can stop shitting up the thread anymore than we already have

rodental

No, lets keep this public, I have a friend who has a masters in physics, I suspect he's really going to enjoy this :)

n0etics

Eh, if you're here to signal then fuck off. I'm not going to continue mucking up the thread for your egos sake lol

rodental

No, I assure you, I just want a good laugh :)

n0etics

way to prove you're a narrow-minded, pompous asshole. tips fedora

rodental

Hey man, if you ever want to continue this discussion I'm here for ya brother.

n0etics

m'lady

(Like I said before I'd be happy to in PM, but if we're going to shit up a discussion might as well make it count)

rodental

It's a forum for discussion. Anyways, I'm a little rusty on physics, so I want to make sure that I can appreciate fully how much of an idiot you are, so I need to bring in a buddy to make sure I don't miss any stupidity, and that's a lot easier if he can just log in to his own account and see what you're posting.

n0etics

"I'm an asshole online because I'm not required to look anyone in the eyes" - rodental

rodental

Still not seeing much in the way of physics out of you, stupid person.

n0etics

Also the fact that you are continually pushing for an offtopic discussion makes you seem a bit like a shill lol. I doubt you actually have a brain enough to make money from shitposting and I'm sure it's just your sensitive ego causing you to signal so damned hard but if you're going to derail a topic with this much fervor you should probably ask Correct the Record for a job

n0etics

Because the conversation ended long ago, you twat. You chose to be a bastard, chose to keep an off-topic conversation going for the sake of your fragile ego, and now here we are. Again, you want a conversation lets chat. If not, then keep up your virtue signaling like the cliche fedora-tipping faggot you are.

n0etics

You're use of the word evidence should be further explained. Is this evidence you seek something you can see and touch?

rodental

Yes. Show me some data that shows the existence of God, then show me the reproducible method you used to obtain that data.

rodental

Dude, I did a year of seminary, I seriously doubt there are any new arguments.

Antiracist2

Then it should be easy to answer.

@SarMegahhikkitha , you know how many of these "one year of seminary" guys I encounter?

@bojangles @eagleshigh

I can tell by the things you've said already that you're noob at this, sry.

SarMegahhikkitha

To be an atheist requires lying to oneself (that there's proof of no God when the opposite is true), so it's not a surprise that every atheist that argues with people claims his major was theology or that his parents made him attend Sunday school for 30 years. Heck just look at Amalek claiming he knows more about Judaism than a rabbi.

antiracist3

Do you ever not believe in pizzagate?

@bojangles @eagleshigh

rodental

What should be easy to answer?

rodental

Ok, I thank you, I got a good laugh out of that. They're trying to use formal logic on english concepts without a clear definition. Everything past the first = sign is absolutely meaningless.

Antiracist2

Ahahahaha.

@SarMegahhikkitha @bojangles @eagleshigh

LOOK AT THIS GUY! LOOK!

@stretched_girl impersonation 8 out of 10. Great job.

rodental

Pleased to meet you too. If you ever have a question that actually has meaning give me a ring :)

Antiracist10

Check out @rodental 's dropping the utility/truth identity!

https://voat.co/v/Theology/comments/1227946

Just like in Part 7 of that debate with @Crensch .

@SarMegahhikkitha @bojangles @eagleshigh

rodental

I appreciate the publicity, but could you stop spamming me please?

Antiracist10

No. Go respond seriously to the thread I linked you instead of swinging your dick.

@SarMegahhikkitha @bojangles @eagleshigh

rodental

Also, I'm reporting you for spamming me. Still willing to have a discussion though.

rodental

What part would you like me to respond to? I read a few comments into each section, there's a few things I haven't seen before, but I believe I can argue it competently.

Antiracist10

P1: C. (There exists some thing that is changed.)

P2: C→A. (If some thing changes, then that thing is changed by another.)

P3: A→(IvU). (If a thing is changed by another, then either there is an infinite regress of changed changers or there is an unchanged changer.)

P4: ~I. (An infinite regress of changed changers is impossible.)

WHICH ARE POSSIBLY NOT TRUE?

@SARMEGAHHIKKITHA @BOJANGLES @EAGLESHIGH

n0etics

Sweet I didn't even know that was a thing. Thanks, have an upvoat

n0etics

tldr Everything we describe as real cannot be quantified as "real" in the classic sense. Atheism is about as archaic as leeching at this point lol

V____Z

I died and came back, and the doctors said there is no way i survived what i did except for a miracle. God is real. I came back to tell everyone. But i recommend you consider this guy's testimony: http://ndestories.org/dr-eben-alexander/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCRwuJoQAZg

And if you need proof that satan exists, i give you:

  • Hillary almost became president and OWNS the media

  • Soros exists

  • Podesta is not in jail

fievelgoeswest

the entire religious angle completely ruins any credibility we have

V____Z

I didn't say anything about religion. I told you what 3 doctors (scientists) determined, and pointed you to a fucking brain surgeon for further first-hand information. Religions are man made. Direct experience is a whole 'nother thing.

rodental

I believe in magical pink mind control unicorns that run the world

Doesn't that sound ridiculous? Well, there is precisely the same amount of evidence for the existence of God as there is for magical pink mind control unicorns.

antiracist

Hay guyz @bojangles @eagleshigh @SarMegahhikkitha , do you think he is pulling a Part 13 or a Part 7 of @Crensch 's support for atheism here?

http://archive.is/Agslt

PizzaStreamerLive

Whaaaat?! You 've seen it too?? :O

rodental

:)

Jem777

When the witches DOX themselves we all are going down. Wonder if Obama & HRC & Podesta invited Abramovich herself.

Funny when the pictures get leaked

Touchdown50

Shes the head witch. They prob paid her millions

Jem777

Now here is a Documentary D'nesh. You have made two great ones got targeted over and over.

You should make this movie..title "Because the Bible told me so" and it was right to the end

V____Z

THIS

peatsagayt

No more or less delusional than praying for his success.

SweetCarolyn_4Jesus

The fact that witches R gathering 2gether in local covens & calling on demons 2 stop #Trump shows that he is on the right side! #PrayForDJT in Jesus' name. "Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;" Philippians 2:9-10

Buzzzard

Satan has lied to all his little helpers. Satan always lets them down, in the end. All Satan cares about is a degenerate humanity, with as many dead as possible. He knows he cannot top God and he knows he has to submit to Jesus. The fools who serve him will find this out.

DabbaDan

I just don't think there's any coming back from this. Now he's truly, honestly fucked.

Spells? Oh God, now it truly is going to end! Oh my goodness. How horrible.

Bringing out the big guns, for sure. This... this is terrible for his presidential future. Pray for Trump.

DirtyDancingRedShoes

I'm a witch supporting the demise of pizzagate and the liberation of enslaved people.

I_have_my_gun_ready

If you want to liberate enslaved people, WHY do you want to see the end of pizzagate?

Touchdown50

Then your no witch

druhill007

Counterspells? :D

madhatter67

I have done my bit....Now about to enjoy a guilt free pizza....Because it's pizza....And I'm reclaiming it from the sickos

druhill007

Yeah I've been avoiding actually pizza as well. So happy that my favorite kind Hawaiiian wasn't code for anything. (If it is code for the love of god please don't tell me lollll)

I_have_my_gun_ready

Yes, I guess we have forgotten that sometimes pizza, really is just pizza. Sorry your going to have to clarify that your just talking about food, from here on out. :)

The_Kuru

That doesn't strike me as related to Spirit Cooking. The purpose of spirit cooking is sort of a reverse baptism or reverse communion to permanently condemn the souls of the attendees to hell. Whose spirit did you think was being cooked, the cake? In doing this you gain the trust of the political elite because they know you don't have a trace of religion in you and someone with any religious conflict can become a problem for these people.

listenandsee

That's not true though.

Spirit cooking is using elements to inspire evil entities to achieve your results. Blood magick and sex magick are two highly volatile forms of wicked prayer or spell casting. In some cases it's like a sacraligious communion.

madhatter67

I think those of us with spiritual or ethical conflict are going to be a big problem for these people

I_have_my_gun_ready

I know there are white witches trying to counter act the binding spell, and yes your right witches with a spiritual or ethical conflic are a HUGE problem for them. Please know that when I condemn witches I ONLY mean the dark ones, and I try to make the difference known.

dookiehowzer

is this real life

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v4Zz

Bitch, this ain't no Harry Potter movie. Take your spells and spirit cookings to the mental ward, because thet's where it belongs

AugustaJulia

First I thought he meant us - that is to say our collective prayer today, namely that we are trying to cast a spell on President Trump to stop Pizzagate. And then I saw the picture and realized that there really are some weirdos casting a spell.

madhatter67

Well this weirdo will be casting a spell today....For justice and love and life...But I guess we aren't as newsworthy....Probly just as well....Wouldn't want a witch hunt!

rooting4redpillers

Here's a detailed description of the event from The Blaze .

Excerpt: Witches plan to cast a spell on Donald Trump and his supporters Friday night

The ingredients for the spell include a bunch of household items such as “an unflattering photo of Trump,” a “small bowl of water,” a “pin or small nail” and an “ashtray or dish of sand.” After all the necessary preparations, participants are instructed to chant together to “the spirits of Earth, Wind, and Fire,” “heavenly hosts” and “Demons of the infernal realm” with supplications that Trump will utterly fail and do no harm. The spell also targets Trump supporters, as the chant includes binding “all those who enable his wickedness, and those whose mouths speak his poisonous lies.”

alliecapone

They were using their iPhone to read the spell cause didn't one of em know it. I'd say our meditation overpowered them. 🙌

samhara

It's a null spell:

all those who enable his wickedness,

Doesn't have any wickedness to enable

and those whose mouths speak his poisonous lies.”

He's speaking the truth. So they just wasted their time with an imaginary , delusional "spell"

Null.

rooting4redpillers

Zip, zilch, nada. 👏🏻

DirtyDancingRedShoes

I thought they liked wickedness...

GeorgeHodelDidit

The Satanist invert everything...when they say wicked they mean good...Trump is Evil to them because he is doing good. They believe it is easier to bring all souls to Evil than to Good because some Jewish mystical prophecy says that the Messiah wont come to earth until everyone is evil or everyone is good. They believe it will be easier to make everyone evil so that is why they pollute our media with whores and the like. It makes a certain diabolical sense.....if your in an insane Cult.

madhatter67

Hahaha....Trump's wickedness? Seriously? How many people has he killed? These people are clowns

rooting4redpillers

I give far more credit to clowns. 🤡🐎🤠

madhatter67

11:11 today.....We will kick those fools asses!

dontmindthemess

I prayed for the victims and for the law enforcement to have strength and hope. I tried to be positive, no negativity. I prayed for them to heal and be heard.

dookiehowzer

11:11 et? ct?

madhatter67

Well it's 16:11 here! In 40 minutes from now....Join us!

GeorgeHodelDidit

I missed it but am sending in prayers now........

madhatter67

Hehe....Well I'm still going with mine!

We will prevail

reasonedandinformed

Saturday February 25th 11:11am - 11:33am (22 minutes) EST (16:11 UTC). Visualize the criminals being arrested leading to fair and public trials. The intention should not be for revenge but for saving the children and the healing of humanity.

Bulgakov

Ooh jut made it 😊Lock em all up!

rooting4redpillers

Some number of these people believe they are in some majority. Heads in the sand, brains turned to mush. Others not giving a shit, as long as they're being paid for it. All of them, showing their faces to the nation, while behaving like fools. For some reason, they remind me of those Wesboro churcher asshats.

doolord

If this is true, I have to say, what a bunch of fucking weirdos. They cast spells, we pray. Let's see which ones holds out in the end.

Disgusted-Lurker

Not much difference...is there?

V____Z

It's true, it's all over MSM for some reason (not sure why they choose to cover certain things, maybe to promote it?). Just search "Trump, witches".

GeorgeHodelDidit

They promote it because all the top people in the Media are Satanist...they are calling out for their evil minions to cast their spells.....these fuckers believe in this shit. Even if you dont these morons do.

derram

https://tweetsave.com/dineshdsouza/status/835486481619746816 :

Dinesh D'Souza on Twitter: "The #SpiritCooking crowd gets together to--this is not a joke--cast a spell on @realDonaldTrump t.co/90Bgkw6Mj7"

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