No, you didn’t address my rebuttals. You offered half-baked, incomplete, disjointed scenarios that were out of context.

Example:

Alefantis' Imgur feed? He has a sick sense of humor. His business has a lot of screwed-up artwork on the walls. Welcome to every metropolitan dive and punk-show venue on the coast.

This is not a question of humor, it’s a question of implicating children in situations that would normally render the CPS on one’s doorstep.

Think: what what in the butt, your dad will tell you when you’re older - catapult. That’s only one example of many. This is a reference to a person's taste and interest and that’s what you people call funny?? There is child legislation, which is properly implemented and applied is put in place to protect children from this type of bullying and abusive objectivity in the name of humor. Sadly, the world has been compromised by liberals like yourself.

"Why would you call that place family friendly and bring kids there?" Guess what, the punks grew up and we had kids, too. And it doesn't matter how many bands show up in ski-masks making jokes about Jared from Subway; getting "the creeps" from someone isn't justification for accusing them of being part of a pedo ring.

The punk show referencing children in sexual positions, with phallic shaped objects in their mouth, along with videos that show obvious torture pictures etc, etc means that those parents should be investigated for providing an unsafe environment for children. Guess what, torture is still illegal in the west, along with those pics in vids such as Neutered noel, and other child pedo poster symbology and pictures that state children are welcome!! Guess what, pedos and cp is still illegal in North America. This is not some funny joke that doesn’t matter. Maybe the punks should have spent a little more time checking laws.

Furthermore, I don’t think people are accusing the people you’re referring to in your above comment as being involved in pedo rings, but rather being involved in activities that shows a taste for child sensitive material, so sensitive that Ben Swan and others can’t put it on t.v. because it’s not appropriate. Why? Because it refers to a child abuse (for fun is irrelevant)

People in politics have kids and grandkids. People in politics throw a lot of social gatherings. Why would she describe them as entertainment? Because kids are fucking entertaining (not to mention a handful). You don't need to be a pedophile to love children, but you do need to be an asshole to dislike them. (The "raw and uncut" is probably just another example of this kind of "grandma" humor.) Pool? Kids like to swim. If there's a pool at a party and I'm a kid and I'm invited, you can bet your ass that I'll be swimming.

Well, saying that kids are fucking entertainment may have been a freudian slip, or more accurately a Clement Freudian slip? I’m 57 years old and never in my life have I heard old men have children for their entertainment while in the pool. If the kids were these old men's grandkids I could understand it better, but it would be worded more along the lines of saying, I’m sending your grandkids for a visit. Yes kids are a handful, which is why they aren’t actually something that would be entertainment, like a musician. I’ve never heard of old men being entertained by someone elses children as an actual activity. You are outrageous if you’d think any non-deviant minded person would think otherwise. As a matter of fact, in any normal family if this happened it would trigger the awareness that something is very, very wrong.

If there’s a pool party and you’re a kid you can bet your ass that you’ll be swimming? Again, a fruedian slip? When I was that age I would not want to be swimming with a bunch of old farts. Did these children know these old men?
Answer me that!! If so, how well did they know them? Depositions and signed affidavits all round are needed on that one. Most children would want to go to a pool party with OTHER children, not with old men. As a matter of fact, that would actually discourage children rather than appeal to them.
Did these children not have a pool of their own? Answer that!

Show me evidence that those three kids have been physically or mentally abused. I'm sure one of you has already called the CPS on her. Or are you afraid that the CPS will just sell them into slavery?

It’s your job to provide mental health evaluations and questions of all the children. If you don’t know the mess CPS is in, then I’d refer you to Nancy Schaeffer’s testimony. Sadly, her and her husband are dead. You might also want to check out a research review of their mysterious death.

Here is a pizza-related map on a handkerchief.JPG Since Podesta and his ilk like italian food so goddamn much, it's no shock that he might have something like this and have left it lying around. As for the rest, nobody seems to know about the circumstances of this house, the realty deal, the agent, etc. Literally everything concerning this has been total speculation. The "map means jizz" theory is based on nothing, and the "code words imageJPG used to justify it now was obviously created after-the-fact. (Note that pillows aren't on that list, so no matter which way you slice it, this whole e-mail is debunked as far as I'm concerned.)

You aren’t able to relate pizza to a map. I’ve eaten itialian food, namely pizza, all my life and I’ve never eaten with a map, or anything associated with a map. However, code words associate sex with maps and pizza with children. You can try to deny that all you want at your own risk of looking amazingly stupid or naive. Honestly, I don’t think you’re either stupid or naive, I think you’re cunning and manipulative with no sense of moral compass - trying to normalize something that is not funny, not normal and not legal.

Dominoes was mentioned in another e-mail in a perfectly normal context. This is like saying "Do you think I'll be better at Skyrim on liquor than I am on beer?" I'm guessing they had a legit pasta party (my friends and I used to have a pasta-and-movie night once a week, people do it, it's normal) and the dude lost at Dominoes.

It should be apparent to even you that your answer is nonsense. Would you do better on liquor or beer at skyrim? What are you babbling about? You’re GUESSING!! Yes, that is your first problem of many. So you’re trying to convince us that they had a ‘’legit’’ pasta part and he somehow used pasta and cheese in an obscure relation to playing dominoes? Explain in detail how that game works with cheese and pasta. Especially since every idiot knows that pasta and cheese is code.

You haven’t explained why they’d have SOMEONE ELSE'S children for entertainment when they could spend quality time with their own grandchildren !! These are busy men and I’m sure if they’re being entertained by children they’d rather it be their own grandkids that they know and love, and with whom they’d like to have as much time as they can together. Any jury would question the relationship of kids for entertainment in context with the art photo of the little emaciated boy bound up and hanging in torture in torture ropes from the ceiling, or the children who are lined up in a row, hands behind their back, sad little looks on their faces with pink bottoms.

Explain that now. You're imagination is wild, however it's not the actual truth of these people, it's not their answer. It's your imagining. You're imagining wouldn't hold up in court because you aren't them.

Do you understand this?

I'm asking where is the exact explanation of the exact points I presented. Show me in your volumous dribble?
I'm not asking for YOUR imganiary ideas, I'm asking for the real explanations.

If you have them, then please proceed. Otherwise your diatribe should be an embarrassment to yourself.

It would be unfair if someone was killed before having a public trial. If we get lucky, some of them may end up receiving the punishment they deserve via capital punishment. Take your east coast skepticism and contribute to this community or get the fuck out of here.

Fuck you, this community wants Justice. We don't want people charging into places with guns like the CIA or Mossad. We want trials and justice.

when the 650K emails are released you will eat your words. Go back to cnn and nyt

EastCoastSkeptic, I am sorry you feel that way. Rule 4 is designed to keep v/pizzagate focused on facts -- things that happened and things that people have said -- and prevent posts that are nothing more than the opinion and thoughts of the OP. You are welcome to include your opinion and thoughts in posts on v/pizzagate , so long as you first focus on facts you can link to. You could easily rewrite this post as one linking to examples of the "witch hunt" you posit...assuming evidence of this exists. Take a look at the comment section of Podesta's twitter account for starters. If he's just an innocent guy, it would really suck.

And, in fact, I remove posts every day that attempt to brand businesses and charities who happen to have a swirl, butterfly or heart in their logo as Pedo-signaling members of the cabal with no other evidence at all. The submission guidelines requiring a demonstrated relevance to Pizzagate backed by linked sources are what allow me to do this.

Logic and Occams Razor, unfortunately, are not enough. Please link us up to support.

it may take wingnuts looking for clues in music videos and presenting them as potential leads. This is shit the FBI doesn't have to do now. Why condone it, after being discussed on these boards thins that are more relevant gain attention, we don't know how many FBI or others are here getting leads. If it is just 1 and they find some links to people in pictures or what not they will use it. You passing off critical inquire into sick shit is just a means to bolster the the pedo adgenda.

You imply this is a group of people who are professionals - this is where you make a big mistake - this is a public forum.

You just want tolerance. Pedophiles do not deserve tolerance and you are pushing their narrative. You're a fucking shill.

You lack an understanding of historical evidence current exposures. Listen to this guy http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39099778

Please repost this with a random link about PG being debunked and thus the mods cannot remove. Its a very well articulated piece enveloping everything I've wanted to say myself but lacked the time and patience. These people need to really see this and chew on the hard crunch of reality. Please don't let this be in vain. Grab a link and copy and paste. Please!

Then there is a mountain of exhibits that implicate intent, marketing, and handling of trafficking victims. You should try to 'fact check' something yourself for once.

You don't think instagram pictures are documents of evidence? Comments and emails. Victim testimonies. you might as well go back to CNN

You obviously don't understand Pizzagate.

Eat a gun barrel

Cuck

Now sit back and enjoy being called a shell and a pedophile apologist and also being accused of being a pedofile yourself and being accused of being from correct the record and everything else but they can think of to discredit every point that you made just so that way they could sit back in there Echo chamber filled with confirmation bias

@Vindicator thanks for the continued effort you provide for this community.

Please provide an example of "minimal ammount(s) of scrutiny" for any exhibit A-F https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1497611

I've been reading through just about everything I can here over the last three days;

There's your problem. Spend more time researching or take a remedial comprehension course, or both.

you're not trying to solve a crime, but rather looking for a crime where there is no evidence of one.

Wrong. Looking for indicators that might force the pathetic legal system to investigate.

There is more than enough of that.

every single one can be easily explained, and I will gladly accept the challenge to offer 
simple explanations for any which are presented.

Aaah, but if it's so easily explained then those who are involved should be doing the explaining. Get it? Not some nobody who is defending them based on personal data which you don't have and that's why an investigation must be done.

Explain why Tamera Luzzatto said Uber Service would bring her 3 grandkids for these old farts entertainment in the pool.
But how can you in all honesty expect to give a simple explanation when you aren't these people and can't speak for them?

And don't pull some stupid idea out your imagination. Tell the exact real reason, provide data and witness depositions, not some made up possibility.

Explain what Clinton Foundation means by a pizza pac. Not what YOU think it means based on your own position to defend them, but on what IT ACTUALLY MEANS. And provide actual proof of that, texts, emails, paper, personal conversations and all related supportive data. If you can't do that then your'e a complete idiot defending something you know nothing about.

Why?

Witch hunt? lols. Revenue Department can pull you in for an audit with no explanation needed and virtually an anonymous tip to the revenue department can produce an automatic audit. Do you also believe that they're witch hunting if and when they do this?

aaah, but ask for a child investigation when there is more than enough information that shows abnormal behavior and you call it a witch-hunt.

Actually, I don't want you're answers, I want their answers and data submitted, depositions of all people implied by non-partisan multiple investigators over a long period of time. But if you're serious there's a website offering $25 grand if you can provide data to explain.

Go there.

Your real bias here is against weird things

You're real bias here is that you've been completely desensitized and normalized to anything that indicates inappropriate behavior toward children. Your mentality also explains why pedophilia is mushrooming due to legislation and programming to desensitize and normalize such behavior.

The real problem isn't so much that you have reason to think it might all be true, but that you desperately want it to be true.

You can't be serious. You have to be fucking with me. You can't seriously think any of us want this to be true. We want children enslaved in pedo rings? No, we don't want it to be true. Sadly, we just want a full investigation from multiple non-partisan investigators.

I'm sorry, but going after people just because they seem like "devil worshipers" is nothing more than religious persecution.

I'm sorry, but sending emails that describe your affiliation and support, and active engagement with someone who uses blood, semen, mothers milk, mock cannabilsm and god knows what other shit (literally) in rituals along with a connection to child torture photos has nothing to do with '''religious persecution'''. When people like you are defending criminal activity, like cannibalism and child torture as a religion then this world is fucked!

I'm sorry that you're moral compass is so broken that you can't seem to recognize societal cause and effect long term. Enjoy your shit world, because that's what you're so-called religion is providing.

You might want to watch George Webb's vids. Start there. Or not. At this point I think society is doomed if you are any indication.

You are the king of logical fallacy.

"every single one can be easily explained, and I will gladly accept the challenge to offer simple explanations for any which are presented."

1. "We plan to heat the pool, so a swim is a possibility. Bonnie will be Uber Service to transport Ruby, Emerson, and Maeve Luzzatto (11, 9, and almost 7) so you’ll have some further entertainment, and they will be in that pool for sure." (Extra Credit for Explaining Luzzato's website and offering "raw and uncut" time next to an image of the baby)

2. "The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yorus? They can send it if you want. I know you’re busy, so feel free not to respond if it’s not yours or you don’t want it." // "I just came from checking the Field house and I have a square cloth handkerchief (white w/ black) that was left on the kitchen island. Happy to send it via the mail if you let me know where I should send it." (Extra Credit: "I also meant to inquire yesterday about the pillows you purchased. I can send them as well, if you let me know where they are in the house."

3. "Do you think I’ll do better playing dominos on cheese than on pasta?"

4. From Tony Podesta to John Podesta: "Still in torture chamber"

5. For someone who seems so dismissive, do you believe in the Thatcher pedophilia cover-up? The Dutroux Affair? Jimmy Savile? Epstein? Hastert (See Tony's note: "I have stayed in touch with denny Hastert and jan ettelt and andy dolan all these years")? Or... are these all witch hunts gone bad too? Please keep in mind that each one of these incidents were also aggressively covered up by those who were charged with crimes and those in power around them.

That said, I agree with your final paragraph... but a lot of the compelling stuff mixed with the false "smoking guns" and downright kooky nonsense that bubbles up are all simply data points and talking points. I don't think the active contributors feel that they are responsible for the creation of a bullet proof legally sound offensive dossier. The active censorship and immediate "debunking" occurring in the MSM and on various social networks is like nothing we've ever seen before. Not to mention the handful of threats that have come to light as researchers got "too close" with a few sensitive topics (i.e. Pegasus and Alefantis)

So, while I don't necessarily think you are a shill... because you are suggesting a much more refined approach, I would certainly enjoy your insight/explanation on the quotes/comments above. Especially since you offered to explain them and to-date, no one else has been able to.

When you have a better idea that will work to save the kids, we'll fund a statue in you're honor. Hitch your wagon to that star cause, or jump off and go get a job elsewhere.

You obviously are sharing someone else's thoughts because any rational, critical inquiry into the subject at hand one would find enough data, case law, $$$ transfers and other sick shit that would demand further inquiry. You call yourself a skeptic, lol.

@EastCoastSkeptic , welcome to v/pizzagate . Please take a minute to read the submission guidelines for this subverse, in the sidebar. If you are viewing on mobile, that will require using the pulldown settings menu in the upper right corner of your browser and clicking the "Request desktop site" box.

This is an unsourced discussion post, with needs to be reposted in v/pizzagatewhatever . Alternatively, you can rewrite it as a research post per the guidelines for this subverse that clearly states your hypothesis, how it relates to the sexual abuse and trafficking of kids by the global elite (Pizzagate) and provides links to sources that support each of the major claims you make.

Removing per Rule 4.

You are correct about some of what you say. There is some crap here, yet they're also irrefutable details that expose and implicate multiple republicans and democrats. This is similar to the shit that the South Korean ex-President is going through and closely tied to the issues exposed in the Franklin Scandal in Nebraska. You are trying to help pedophiles and occult secret societies with your stance. Think about that.

Can't disagree with that closing sentence. Hope you stick around for the comments!

Mods what do you think of this classy work?

@Vindicator or @Millennial_Falcon @l4l1lul3l0

"but rather looking for a crime where there is no evidence of one" @EastCoastSkeptic you are a Mr. 1.3 hours member who uses a lot of words you didn't construct with your own Intelect. You probably have some intelligence, you constructed a multiple paragraph post regurgitating the Control the Record talking points. You want a lead on someone in an "open investigation" regarding the issues at hand, you should watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzPhA5vBRuw&feature=youtu.be and filter through his Google Docs, full of references and sourced evidence you will have a very hard time finding excuses to refute.

So many words, so little knowledge, and such a preachy attitude. We're doing fine, but thanks for all the advice, Mr/Ms Politeness.

1.3 hrs.