neverobey

"if you say no to me, it's just the beginning!" grin

neverobey

Wow! From around 48:20 on, she defends the abusive behaviour of her mother stating she would never come this far without her mother pushing her to some kind of "strict order". in our face …

angry_mob

she gives me the absolute creeps! & i'm an artist myself, so i'm used to unusual people and prefer them to what i call "normies," but this bitch is just repugnant! (& NOT an artist, imho)

birthdaysuit11

Gnosticism was practiced be Christians, including the cathars. Not all of them are bad

zzvoat

I don't know about facelift, can't get the vid to work but she admits she loves laser skin treatments. Google it.

Rmm

She's trying to throw off the scent. Not doing too well. Her ramblings sounded pathetic, but to the wannabes she probably sounded very profound.

sixgorillion

Take a look at her Wikipedia page, the only mention of controversy is some bullshit about abbos.

marinasdung

When they show close up of her face you can see she's had skin cancer removed from the tip of her probiscus. Eyes are really degenerated as if she worked outside her whole life. Yeah she switches to the brain areas that make a self from the pressence of the body rather than the flow of thoughts and thus has a hypnotic effect on people which they interpret as some sort of magical power.

party1981

666 and pentagrams are Satanism

tomasdeminos

Calling it Satanism is like calling all of paganism Satanic. It's a gross simplification of religious iconography. The Anti-Christ of Revelations is a rebuke of the cult of the Roman emperors.

Anyone into Spirit Cooking left Satanism behind in high school. Read about the Devas and Asuras in Hinduism. Hermeticism is not Satanism, but it can be channeled towards evil.

party1981

I'm not calling paganism Satanic. I'm calling the number 666 Satanic, and that's not just me. That's Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/666_(number)) ). So if you don't think that it's not Satanic, then you're using a definition that isn't shared by most people, and I doubt that the spirit cooking crowd agrees with you.

tomasdeminos

The 666 has Satanic associations but it's not like Satanism has the sole claim to it. We make fools of ourselves if we simplify any of this.

party1981

We make fools of ourselves if we over-complicate it too. I don't think that her specific religion is nothing more complicated than "love Satan." But I think that, whatever convoluted occult belief system she has, it's fair to call in "Satanist" in the colloquial sense, as an umbrella term. Most people don't split hairs on this issue, like you do, and they shouldn't have to.

Here are some things I don't know:

  1. what part of Spirit Cooking is real, and what part of it is art/show, and what part is advertising for illegal sex/drug/organ/child trades, and what part of it is MK-ULTRA brainwashing and torture? If MK-ULTRA, does it become real with second generation victims, and beyond, who grow up believing it?
  2. same question for John Podesta and his cannibal picture in his office?
  3. same question for Lynn Rothschild
  4. same question for the Moloch email, the Minerva email, the Thelema email

Are these all the same cult? Or overlapping cults? I don't know.

tomasdeminos

I don't think we over-complicate this by calling it what it is. Colloquial meanings are loaded with dubious connotations. Traditional Christian terminology is way too simplistic here, unless you delve into Gnostic teachings.

AFAIK, real Satanists do not practice rituals in which they sacrifice children. Nothing in their religious texts gives them any incentive to inflict harm on other people. Satan in Satanism is akin to Lucifer/Light Bearer/Prometheus.

Modern Spirit Cooking is rooted in Hermetic and Gnostic creation myths about mankind. In some of these texts, alchemy is spoken of as a means of achieving divinity and coming closer to the twelve Archons and a being called Yaltabaoth.

In Gnosticism, Yaltabaoth feeds on souls that he catches in transit (in "the middle realm"), is fond of rape, and is generally the sort of God you would fear and loathe--the Old Testament sort who would inflict endless suffering on a man like Job. Gnostics see Yaltabaoth and Yahweh as one in the same.

Marina Abramovic and her followers think they are worshiping God, and they think he only shows himself to them if they perform these Spirit Cooking rituals (which may or may not have roots in MKUltra).

party1981

Nobody said anything about sacrificing children. We said that 666 is Satanist. The world generally regards Lucifer, Satan, and "the devil" as the same thing. If you see 666 and a pentagram, you are dealing with Satanism, and it doesn't matter whether kids are being sacrificed or not.

You say that "spirit cooking" is based on Hermetic and Gnostic creation myths - what is your source?

unbiased_researcher

Not bad for age 70.

sponiatowski

She shows all the signs of a face lift.

Skanda

Liked her story about spinning and the nose though.

gt8h65fg

She became talkative after the host mentioned about spiritcooking. just saying.

dksogo358

Marina looked nervous and uncomfortable discussing Podesta/Wikileaks/Spirit Cooking. She tried to laugh off claims that she's involved in Satanism/black magic, but wasn't very convincing in her denial. The panelists also looked uncomfortable and nervous around Marina, imho.

fartyshorts

Well, Thelema isn't necessarily satanic. It's a mystical form of gnosticism, with lots of magick and ritual involved. They use the same chakras as buddhism and hinduism, but access the elevated states through other means (such as blood and sex rituals). I think it's all about "exploding" the third eye from the bottom up (base of the spine, through the anus).

SturdyGal

Clear from the close up she has had a facelift. Meow, but also should counter the idea that magic helps her look younger than her actual age. This post is a great find, thanks Eric!

MasterLucifer

The youngest looking people on earth are those who eat least meat.

DeathToMasons

Pretentious garbage.

SturdyGal

That people pay a lot of money for. Go figure.

cakeoflightylight

She says her credit cards got cancelled. Um, ok?? WTF She looks guilty and scared shitless

Touchdown50

Who cares. She can beg for spare change

cakeoflightylight

I'm commenting about the credit cards as a point of interest. Who gets their credit cards involuntarily cancelled. Did the government freeze her accounts? How does this happen? Should not happen to everyone who is "slandered" or called a Satanist. Is she under investigation by someone in the government?

Touchdown50

Maybe if she was a muslim shed have no problems. Esp. In swedenkistan. Theres probably a investigation on her. Could be pizzagate related.

JustObserving

Around 43:30:

I invent[ed] something called spirit cooking. Spirit cooking is wonderful. It's visionary. It's poetry and I do graffiti with them and I invite people for spirit cooking dinners, but it's just like a concept, you know. And nothing to do with black mass or satanic events.

je-sui-pepe

really? so we just do spirit cooking with blood breast milk and feces just for funsies. Riiiiigggght Marina. What a lying beyatch.

equineluvr

Interesting but not surprising. So, she's NOT a satanist (yeah, cutting a pentagram into her exposed abdomen means nothing), that was just an accusation by a bunch of "right wingers." She's actually really sensitive...and just "misunderstood." Ugh.

BTW, the "Louisiana" mentioned is the Louisiana Museum of Modern Art in Copenhagen, Denmark. The museum was founded by a "nobleman" <cough, cough> and is named after the house/mansion on the property.

https://en.louisiana.dk/exhibition/marina-abramovi%C4%87

Thank you for posting this.

Bratton912

I don't think she is on twitter anymore, but her handle was like her name, followed by 666. Yeah, why would anyone assume that was Satanic? Maybe the first 665 numbers were taken?

zzvoat

lmao ... you were being s/, right?

Omnicis

I'm not sure that makes her a "Satanist" technically as much as someone who participates in "Magick"

I havent exactly looked into that realm myself so I am just talking out of my ass.

MolochHunter

well, yes numerology is a branch of magic, but anyone claiming that the number 666 is not the one most closely associated with satan is being a bit silly

DeathToMasons

Yeah, notice how everybody has to be a right wing Trump supporter. I was neither. People from all angles were mortified by this garbage. She did not explain anything.

sponiatowski

I don't know if I buy it that Marina Abramovic is the center of a cult, but I have to question the Podesta's taste in art AS A WHOLE. I believe people choose art for their homes based upon their view of the world, or as a touchstone of something that they enjoy or are moved by. She's an odd, odd choice as a favorite artist. And yes, she did cost Hillary the election. We could see in visual form a representation of her campaign manager's mind. Thanks for this post.

blind_sypher

Shes related to Rasputin, so I'd hold off on her not being part of a cult. That particular bloodline was at the center of the South Korean upraising just a while ago. They also share in an affinity for blood. One that spans back hundreds of years. This is much bigger then anyone would dare to fathom. In my humble opinion that is. All her talk of energy and this fascination with the macbre and blood should be setting off some major red flags for anyone watching. We used to burn these types at the stake.

sponiatowski

Thanks, blind-sypher. I have to agree. The more I thought about it, she's providing an "outlet" for certain people and she is normalizing certain things. What sort of person does she attract to her shows? Who is her "art" intended to lift and enliven? I won't even have a crucifix in my house, or a cross, because I don't like torture...and I was raised Catholic! So yes, no pass for Marina. No pass at all.

fartyshorts

Obviously Lady Gaga and Tony Podesta are way in to it.

zzvoat

Edit. Got it to work. Phone needed app, not laptop. Looks like they are sitting in a ring of fire.

it says I have to download an application in order to view it. I'm not willing to do that so I guess I'll have to wait until it's on YouTube. I can't wait to hear what she has to say but I'm not sure it will make any difference because there are as many Spirit cookers in Sweden as there are in every other country. She's probably being interviewed by Spirit cookers and after the interview they're going to all go out and eat some Spirit cooking together

EricKaliberhall

Marina Abramovic has a exhibition in Stockholm Sweden at the Moderna museet.