Omnicopy

Typical Pizzagate

OKythen

And wikileaks would rather talk about TVS than dealing with shit like this....

Smyrtz

They are hearing these cases, one by one from what I have read. Some have already plead guilty. This decision basically gets the rest off the hook. Just plead "not guilty" and you're good.

If they go so far as to take over Playpen, post cp for weeks, optimize the site to the point where traffic increases 4 fold...and then let everyone off to keep the tech secret...it seems to suggest that this was simply a real time test. Is it possible they didn't think anyone would plead "not guilty"? Lol

Are there any other reasons? I seem to recall an article published by a woman who managed to gain access to a pedo group on the dark web with over 90 000 members as a means to study the psychology of pedophilia. Just to give you a glimpse into that world, I offer this link. It is from "Cracked", so nothing visually traumatizing. It is disgusting, nonetheless.

http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1760-5-things-i-learned-infiltrating-deep-web-child-molesters.html

If this is the shit they were running and now have no intention of prosecuting...what was it for? Is it a case of them now saying "we became distributors of child porn to test out our shit/possibly do some illegal business, didn't think this would happen...our bad."?

Is this the real world?

DamnTheTorPEDOES

As I said in the effin' beginning....Damn the TOR PEDOS!!!!!!!

Singleservename

I said this in a duplicate thread but that'll be deleted:

So what are Feds to do here - expose their tech toolchest to catch a single 'alleged child pornographer' all because the likes of Snowden want to peek inside?

Be very careful with this guy. He wants to use pedogate for his own agenda. We have other fish to fry here.

HossCartwright

They've got 5 years to pursue Michaud. As f*cked up as it sounds - if they're trying to take down multiple players blowing your cover for one clown seems a bit myopic. Anyone who thinks he's simply "off the hook" is mistaken. Case was dismissed "without prejudice" and leaves door open for it to be re-filed. You'll see Michaud again. Additionally, we've no idea what's going on behind the scenes with Michaud. Could be assisting them knowing they can take him down when they're ready. I would consider that kind of leverage pretty solid.

senpaithatignoresyou

In the context of vault 7, this is very disturbing.

they have plenty of exploits, they have better exploits, so why care about this one that has been known for years?

Unless it is an excuse to protect certain pedos.

dindonufin

The CIA is probably behind ALL of the pedo sites on the darkweb.

GeorgeT

It is to protect the pedophiles. This is the biggest secret in the western world. Pedophiles run the countries.

quantokitty

WOWZA!!! That's a massive clue. The pieces are fitting into place. Not only do we have an elite cannibal cover up, we have the feds helping them for their own self-serving reasons. Nice going, feds! Might I remind you that you're on our side?!!!

roundhouse1776

Trump needs to get rid of the rotten leadership at the head of the FBI if he wants to get them on his side. Comey and McCabe are both corrupt as hell and Clinton henchmen.

quantokitty

Comey I'm not sure about. It could be he was hedging his bets, but he was zero help to HRC in the last election. But then again, he's been nothing but a nightmare with Trump since the election. You're probably right.

Singleservename

Feds on our side? With the exception of the original FBIAnon I really don't think they are..

Try NYPD Vice Unit.

quantokitty

You have a point. They're theoretically and allegedly on our side. Not that you'd know it.

Waltherchick3118

Well, this backs up what FBI ANON ( Orig thread )just stated in their latest interview...Julian Assange stated pretty much the same...he leaks these things so civilians can research and participate in exposing these sick mofos.....neither used the word "mofo"...(wink!)

Singleservename

Snowden, yeah. Yesterday he commented that the CIA hacking all electronics newer than some ten years was bad because 'hackers could use those exploits as well'. Because that is really the biggest problem with the most evil org on the planet having these unlimited powers.

Don't trust him. Don't trust Assange either. Limited hangouts, compromised leaks, mis/disinfo agents.

roundhouse1776

Julian Assange is one of the most trustworthy people on Earth.

Singleservename

He may have been. But where is he, where is his cat and where the fuck is his pgp key?

roundhouse1776

That's true, I'm not going to claim to know definitively whether Assange or Wikileaks have been compromised.

WotTheFook

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." - Benjamin Franklin (paraphrased quote)

SuperJohnWayne

Something doesn't smell right. There likely could have been placed a national security exception/exemption from disclosing the code. Regardless, if this case does not justify disclosing the TOR exploit, what does? A future hypothetical espionage case? Do they want to keep the exploit open long enough to simply collect "intelligence" for the sake of collecting intelligence? What's the fucking point of that if it will not be actually used to exterminate crime and corruption?

anonOpenPress

I've been wondering exactly the same. This could be part of the proof of high level corruption/managing

Uncle420

Regardless, if this case does not justify disclosing the TOR exploit, what does? A future hypothetical espionage case?

What if they have actionable intelligence that they effectuate outside of the public court system for instance in secret courts or by illegal means?

Or to use your example, why not just kill the spy that uses TOR and there's none of this disclosure nonsense and they can keep on using the exploit?

Edit: I'm surprised they would acknowledge that they had an exploit but refuse to use it for evidence. To me that means one of two things:

  1. They don't have an actual exploit but want people to think they do.

  2. They have the exploit but somebody wants it to get known.

SuperJohnWayne

I agree with your analysis and think your 1 and 2 are good points. I was thinking that: -If the exploit was used for intelligence, it would be top secret. -If the exploit had been exposed or was meant to be used for law enforcement, then they could and should use it. They probably have several exploits anyway, at least I think the NSA does. -I wonder if they are selectively using the excuse of not wanting to expose the exploit so that they could cleverly exempt certain individuals from prosecution who are caught in dragnets?

palmitespo910

I think TOR is compromised and theirs anyway tbh. No evidence, just an eerie feeling. I stopped using it two years ago for that very reason.

SuperJohnWayne

I think you're right. And I know what you mean about the eerie feeling. It seemed to me that I was likely painting an NSA target on my back when using it, and all I wanted was anonymity and security, not to use TOR for nefarious purposes. So using it seemed counterintuitive in that I was probably more closely monitored.

palmitespo910

Exactly. I simply went back to using my browser in the regular way because who's gonna pay attention to my public traffic? I don't do anything illegal (well, I don't do anything morally reprehensible) so I don't really have anything to worry about anyway.

Loserfour

OK they could of made up probable cause got a warrant to legally surveil him then nab him when he slips up with incriminating evidence, they do that sort of thing for drug cases all the time. Something just doesn't add up. When it comes to torturing and raping children it seems like someone would be smart enough to nail these bastards it reeks of a cover up tbqh

throwaway89209834

OK they could of made up probable cause got a warrant to legally surveil him then nab him when he slips up with incriminating evidence, they do that sort of thing for drug cases all the time.

Indeed, it is called parallel construction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction

SturdyGal

From TechDirt article

Michaud's lawyer asked the court to force the FBI to hand over information on the NIT. The FBI countered, saying it wouldn't turn over the information even if ordered to do so. Judge Bryan, after an in camera session with the agency, agreed with the government that there was a law enforcement need to keep the details of the tool secret. But he also made it clear the government couldn't have both its secrecy and its evidence. He ordered all evidence suppressed.

But other articles have said that evidence in similar cases was allowed. What is different about this judge?

derram

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The Feds Would Rather Drop a Child Porn Case Than Give Up an Exploit | WIRED

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Pizzagatevoater

It was re-tweeted by Wikileaks, FBI and CIA are using exploits, they are catching the bad guys, but in doing so, were they also goint to admit to undermining privacy laws? This is tricky, if spying on everybodies' communications will allow law enforcement to catch the bad guys, are we willing to give up freedom of privacy? This is also bad judgement, now the bad guys know there is an exploit that the FBI can use to nab them, the article says in another case "The Justice Department refused to pursue a protective order, though, and ultimately opted to drop charges rather than reveal the secret to even a single person." So what good is to have a tool to catch bad guys if it cannot be used, it's just exposing the FBI and warning the bad guys that there's an exploit law enforcement can use against them.

I don't know what kind of exploit FBI used to catch the bad guys, it's just